My Diamond won't charge to full capacity! I tried to charge it overnight two times and the first time my telephone charged it was 70 procent charged after 1 night. (7/8 hours) and the second night (5/6 hours) with the same percent when i woke up. I had it once 100% but after installing hardSPL and the hardreset it drop instantly to 40%. (i just installed that , and nothing more.)
Connected the telephone to the charger again and i've got a full lit led ring. After turning the device on the ring went 'charging' again. The capacity was 75%. In windows.
kenny89 said:
My Diamond won't charge to full capacity! I tried to charge it overnight two times and the first time my telephone charged it was 70 procent charged after 1 night. (7/8 hours) and the second night (5/6 hours) with the same percent when i woke up. I had it once 100% but after installing hardSPL and the hardreset it drop instantly to 40%. (i just installed that , and nothing more.)
Connected the telephone to the charger again and i've got a full lit led ring. After turning the device on the ring went 'charging' again. The capacity was 75%. In windows.
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Definatly sounds like a faulty cell in your battery
At least its not the phone thats broken, a battery is easily replaced.
I also have a strange battery issue! Mine won't charge if the Diamonf is switched on.
The Battery only will charge if I switch the Touch Diamond OFF, If it’s turned off, not only the display. With Running OS, when I plug the AC adaptor, it only show few seconds the charging breathing LEDs and then stops, the indicator also doesn’t show the charge symbol but the full charged battery instead but the LED indicator is not full white as it should be in full charge state and the battery of course drains down… I’ve tested with another AC adaptor, another USB charger, even car charger (I have the HTC original one), still the same behaviour.
Could this be related to the developer HardSPL? I also have this behaviour after that installation... weird
Any kind of help would be appreciated!
Its unlikely its the hardspl. I would guess hardware issue, but if it charges while off then thats unlikely too.
I assume you've tried a hard reset already to rule out any application interferring with it?
Also what happens when you plug into your PC? same thing?
My best guess at this stage with most likely at the top:
1) Software issue - try hard reset
2) Battery issue - try another battery, or once fully charged look for a big drop in battery very quickly. There are some battery manager/monitors you can download which can monitor the voltage for you. If you can show me the drop in voltage of the battery i can conclusivly tell you if the battery has a fault.
3) Hardware issue with the phone - that would just suck!
update: Replaced my battery and charged it through the adapter, full 100%.But here's something that is stranger... I installed the battery in another diamond and that battery indicator was 100% full..
I hope that it was a battery problem, because i had so much troubles with the diamond so far! The new battery is lasting much longer, it's been 6hours and it didn't even lost a bar. (still 100%)
kenny89 said:
update: Replaced my battery and charged it through the adapter, full 100%.But here's something that is stranger... I installed the battery in another diamond and that battery indicator was 100% full..
I hope that it was a battery problem, because i had so much troubles with the diamond so far! The new battery is lasting much longer, it's been 6hours and it didn't even lost a bar. (still 100%)
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A fully charged cell has about 4.3v across it. As its drained of current the voltage drops to about 3.3v, when its fully depleted.
The phone uses this voltage level to display the current capacity of the battery
If a cell fails in the battery, as its capacity reduces its not able to provide enough current. Power = current x voltage
If the phone tries to draw normal current, the voltage drops excessivly to conserve the above formula. This shows in the phone as a decrease in battery capacity. The voltage across the battery drops to below 3.3v before the remaining cells are depleted, and although there is still enough current to suply the phone, there isnt enough voltage. Overall there isnt enough power (P=IV)
A rested battery may show enough voltage for a short while (when you first put it in) but the voltage will drop drasticly as soon as any significant current is drawn.
This is a really common failure in a bettery, and you can spot it very quickly when you see sharp drops in the battery meter.
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Also what happens when you plug into your PC? same thing?
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Yes, same thing...
My best guess at this stage with most likely at the top:
1) Software issue - try hard reset
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Don of course and even reflashed without installing any application, just synced with PC... same issue. In the mean time I even reflashed the stock SPL to try... and the Diamond is now charging in Off modus, so I'll turn it on tomorrow to give it a trial
2) Battery issue - try another battery, or once fully charged look for a big drop in battery very quickly. There are some battery manager/monitors you can download which can monitor the voltage for you. If you can show me the drop in voltage of the battery i can conclusivly tell you if the battery has a fault.
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I guess the Battery has an issue, but none is available quickly in my country, I'll have to try to order one abroad... let's check...
Thanks anyway for your advices...
I flashed my TD from 1.37.081 to 1.37.707.1 today and my battery went to 30 percent and not long after it wend dead again.
But there's something strange that i've discovered today.. my charger charges my phone really slow (with original cable and charger) but with the 3rd party adapter i charged todat (adapt htc, specifications are the same of the original adapter) it's normal and my phone doesn't warm up ( max 20 degrees celcius) so much as with the HTC adapter (40 or more degrees celcius?).
I flashed my TD from 1.37.081 to 1.37.707.1 today and my battery went to 30 percent and not long after it wend dead again.
But there's something strange that i've discovered today.. my charger charges my phone really slow (with original cable and charger) but with the 3rd party adapter i charged todat (adapt htc, specifications are the same of the original adapter) it's normal and my phone doesn't warm up ( max 20 degrees celcius) so much as with the HTC adapter (40 or more degrees celcius?).
Check the current on the 3rd party charger.
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(adapt htc, specifications are the same of the original adapter)
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output 5V/1A , same specs. input is a little different (110-220hz, 0,2A) against (110-220hz, 0,15A).. but that isn't a problem right? The output is the same.
Thats really strange. Yeah its the output that matters,
There should be no difference at all!
Yeah.. my Touch Diamond is f**** up as h****.. that's not only the problem. I used some GPRS today and my phone makes noises just like when you put a telephone next a speaker and it receives sms/calls. That's when i'm surfing on the web :O!
On top of that, my speaker quits after x seconds/minutes and doesn't make any sound at all and then works after x seconds/minutes. But it doesn't work after x seconds in the Touch Flo mp3player. So my ' precious diamond' is pretty worthless right now.
XzaniX said:
I also have a strange battery issue! Mine won't charge if the Diamonf is switched on.
The Battery only will charge if I switch the Touch Diamond OFF, If it’s turned off, not only the display. With Running OS, when I plug the AC adaptor, it only show few seconds the charging breathing LEDs and then stops, the indicator also doesn’t show the charge symbol but the full charged battery instead but the LED indicator is not full white as it should be in full charge state and the battery of course drains down… I’ve tested with another AC adaptor, another USB charger, even car charger (I have the HTC original one), still the same behaviour.
Could this be related to the developer HardSPL? I also have this behaviour after that installation... weird
Any kind of help would be appreciated!
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Check your settings: settings > power > checked off the "when device is turned on, do not charge...." ?
kenny89 said:
Yeah.. my Touch Diamond is f**** up as h****.. that's not only the problem. I used some GPRS today and my phone makes noises just like when you put a telephone next a speaker and it receives sms/calls. That's when i'm surfing on the web :O!
On top of that, my speaker quits after x seconds/minutes and doesn't make any sound at all and then works after x seconds/minutes. But it doesn't work after x seconds in the Touch Flo mp3player. So my ' precious diamond' is pretty worthless right now.
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That noise is caused by a harmonic of the GSM signal. It sounds like the grounding is not correct, either for the speaker or possibly a whole section of the circuit.
Not good!
I have the same thing - battery left on overnight does not result in 100% indication. Yet it often creeps up much higher after I have removed the charger! Have come to the conclusion that it is a software problem - terminal voltage tests OK.
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Check your settings: settings > power > checked off the "when device is turned on, do not charge...." ?
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-hi Bakman, of course this was my first check Anyway, is getting worse, now it even won't charge when switched off So I'll send it for repair I guess... I hate to wait for a new device, pay a huge amount of money for it and when you finally get it, it's defective
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I have the same thing - battery left on overnight does not result in 100% indication. Yet it often creeps up much higher after I have removed the charger! Have come to the conclusion that it is a software problem - terminal voltage tests OK.
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Same issue here. When charging the phone while it's *on*, it results in the indicator stopping at 75%-80%, no matter how long I charge.
I think once when charging through PC/USB, this did not happen and the battery did charge to full.
A soft reset results in the indicator displaying 100% battery however.
So is this a battery problem, or software/hardware problem?
Ildefonse said:
Same issue here. When charging the phone while it's *on*, it results in the indicator stopping at 75%-80%, no matter how long I charge.
I think once when charging through PC/USB, this did not happen and the battery did charge to full.
A soft reset results in the indicator displaying 100% battery however.
So is this a battery problem, or software/hardware problem?
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Sounds definately like a s/w problem to me, they will have to provide a fix in a ROM update I guess. Mine is OK at the minute though. Is yours UK or grey import?
Err, I bought the WWE version in Holland. Actually someone bought it for me, but that's not the point.
I did find out that using the advanced config tool to disable the setting "GPRS auto attach" really saves a lot of battery power! Yesterday my phone was idling the whole day and night, and battery only dropped 10-20%.
There are times when my HTC Touch Diamond refuses to charge on the battery even though it is plugged in. Other times, like when I just get off a hike where the phone is at around 5-10% charged and I get into my car and plug it in and continue to listen to say a a streaming podcast, thus the phone, bluetooth and data connections are being used and the phone is drained to 0% where it shuts down. All this while plugged in! Can't the HTC Touch Diamond run and not drain out as long as it is plugged in???
When you plug a charger the phone's battery starts increasing the temperature. When you use the bluetooth, GPS, WiFi etc. it heats the processor and the phone becomes more warm. When the phone exceed a determined temperature it stops charging to preserve destroying of the battery and the phone. When the phone stops charging it begin consuming the power from the battery.
P.S. I hope I explain it well and you managed to understand me. If you couldn't understand Sorry for my English!
So then you're saying when this happens I should submerge my phone in ice water?
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So then you're saying when this happens I should submerge my phone in ice water?
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turn on the air condition to LOW
The other day I was in a hospital and my phone was next to the bed but the charger wire was tangled in the bed. So a nurse came up and rolled out the bed and the phone fell from quite high on the (hard) floor.
It still worked, screen wasn't cracked so I didn't think much of it.
But now, the phone can be charged with the charger. As soon as I unplug the charger there are 2 things that can happen:
1. The phone keeps saying it's charging. Other than that the phone is fully functional. Battery drain is much higher though, in 10 minutes I lose 7% battery.
2. The charging icon in the battery will flash on and off. When I switch off the screen, the lock-screen immediatly turns on and the text charging blinks, it's like someone is plugging in the charger and takes it out immediatly, battery drain is even higher when this occurs, I lose 50% within the hour, depending of what I'm doing.
Sometimes the problem is not there, the phone will function normally, but the problem will come back within 1 or 2 hours and usually when I plug in a charger and take it out later. Also, sometimes it seems the phone is not charging and the charge indicator will stay at a certain percentage but when I reboot the phone it it fully charged (according to the indicator).
First I thought it was an android problem. But when I switch off the phone the charging image appears as well and starts blinking, also the menu and back button flash on and off. It's also quite difficult to switch on the phone at this point and the battery image shows only the outline of the battery, not how much charge is in it.
So far I tried 2 other chargers, 2 other batteries (1 original Samsung and 1 after market). Rebooted the phone many times and left the battery out for an hour.
Anyone knows of what causes such a problem? Of course, the fall was the start of the problem. Could there be some pins bent in the usb socket of the phone?
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The other day I was in a hospital and my phone was next to the bed but the charger wire was tangled in the bed. So a nurse came up and rolled out the bed and the phone fell from quite high on the (hard) floor.
It still worked, screen wasn't cracked so I didn't think much of it.
But now, the phone can be charged with the charger. As soon as I unplug the charger there are 2 things that can happen:
1. The phone keeps saying it's charging. Other than that the phone is fully functional. Battery drain is much higher though, in 10 minutes I lose 7% battery.
2. The charging icon in the battery will flash on and off. When I switch off the screen, the lock-screen immediatly turns on and the text charging blinks, it's like someone is plugging in the charger and takes it out immediatly, battery drain is even higher when this occurs, I lose 50% within the hour, depending of what I'm doing.
Sometimes the problem is not there, the phone will function normally, but the problem will come back within 1 or 2 hours and usually when I plug in a charger and take it out later. Also, sometimes it seems the phone is not charging and the charge indicator will stay at a certain percentage but when I reboot the phone it it fully charged (according to the indicator).
First I thought it was an android problem. But when I switch off the phone the charging image appears as well and starts blinking, also the menu and back button flash on and off. It's also quite difficult to switch on the phone at this point and the battery image shows only the outline of the battery, not how much charge is in it.
So far I tried 2 other chargers, 2 other batteries (1 original Samsung and 1 after market). Rebooted the phone many times and left the battery out for an hour.
Anyone knows of what causes such a problem? Of course, the fall was the start of the problem. Could there be some pins bent in the usb socket of the phone?
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I had a problem recently in which even though I kept my phone on charging (and it showed that it is charging), the battery percentage either remained same or it went down even though it was plugged in.. went to samsung and they said the usb port is damaged and they replaced it.. I think the same resolution will be for your problem
Mmm....makes sense. What does Samsung charge for that?
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Reading up on battery life. Here is what I discovered. Its bad to have the phone running and charging at night, even though their is circuitry to stop it charging when it reaches a certain point. I do, however, need to charge my phone at night to maintain a full battery throughout the day. So why not turn the phone off at night and charge it. I tried it last night and the phone was cool to the touch when I took it off the charger(sometimes its warm when I unplug it). I don't know if that will preserve battery life, but I think this might be a reasonable compromise. Thoughts?
I've always just plugged in over night without powering down. My cell phone is my only phone. I never shut it off. If you are having problems with plugging in overnight then you should get your phone replaced. It's designed to be plugged in without a problem.
The problem with charging the phone when it is powered on, is if you have a faulty app or system process that uses too much cpu power, so the cpu gets hot, also the phone will be trying to use the battery while it is charging the battery, not a good thing, that`s heat upon heat.
I have see this happen a few times, went to pick up your phone and it was very hot.
I use batterybot to monitor my charge and battery temp levels and have a alarm set if the temp goes over 40c, also charge at 80% and discharge at 30% , I virtually never fully charge or discharge my battery as this can damage it and reduce it`s life by quite a bit.
John.
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The problem with charging the phone when it is powered on, is if you have a faulty app or system process that uses too much cpu power, so the cpu gets hot, also the phone will be trying to use the battery while it is charging the battery, not a good thing, that`s heat upon heat.
I have see this happen a few times, went to pick up your phone and it was very hot.
I use batterybot to monitor my charge and battery temp levels and have a alarm set if the temp goes over 40c, also charge at 80% and discharge at 30% , I virtually never fully charge or discharge my battery as this can damage it and reduce it`s life by quite a bit.
John.
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Then that app would have caused an even bigger issue when it's actually in use, and anyone worrying about battery life who has not noticed what is eating his battery power during daytime really shouldn't be worrying at all
Can't figure this out for the life of me. I can wirelessly charge at any time except for if I'm using wireless android auto. Is this a temperature protection thing or is it a bug?
I have a damaged USB port so I'm stuck wireless for now. Samsung S21 Ultra
I think this has nothing to do with AA, but like you already guessed with a temperature problem. My P30 Pro is also getting really hot when wireless charging + AA and after some time I put it myself out of the charging station of my car and let it cool down, but it never stopped by itself till now
I don't know where you live...but with the hot temperatures we have now in Europe I also have the temperature issue.
I could charge my phone for only 2-3 minutes before reaching more than 40°C. At this temperature the charging current goes down and in fact I lose battery level in stead of gaining battery charge.
Therefore I'm trying now the ESR charger with cooling fan. ESR calls the cooling function Cryoboost.
With this charger I can now charge the phone for 10-15 minutes until it reaches 40°C.
Afterwards I have to let the phone cool down for 3-4 minutes and then I can put it back on the charger.
As I said, I'm currently testing the ESR charger.
So far it is a lot better with an active cooling fan, but not a perfect solution.
In the past days I also had some long trips. During 2 hour trips I charged the phone for 10-15 minutes, took it off and let it cool down and then put it back on the charger. With this strategy I gained in total 10% in 2 hours.
A lot better than before, but not perfect...
Long time experience with wireless AA and long trips (Galaxy S20). This is definitely a temp issue; after few hours of traveling wireless charging stops (with phone getting pretty warm) and battery drains. As this only happens after 5-8 hours of driving (depending outside temp? Use of android?) I put a wire to charge phone in the car and when it happens (only on long rides, more than 5-6 hours continue) I put the phone on the wired charger.
Solution with charger with cooling sounds interesting - I have never heard of it. Can You put link and your experience on the thread please? Thanks!
My experience is: it is a lot better than without cooling.
Nevertheless...as long as it is warm outside you have to cool the phone down in front of an AC ventilator of the car for 3 minutes after 15 minutes of charging. This is the case at around 26-28°C or higher or when the car was outside in the sun for long time. After driving around 20-30 minutes with the AC on, the car cools down enough to leave the phone on the charger for long time.
At temperatures of 33°C and more you really have to cool the phone down every 15 minutes during driving.
If the outside temperatures are high, but there is no sun, you can just leave the phone on the charger without worries.
At temperatures below 25°C it is also no problem to leave the phone on the charger.
Moreover I made tasker scripts:
- when the phone is put on the charger, it will tell me that it is charged and the current battery level
- when the charging is stopped, it will tell me that the charging is stopped and the current battery level
- as soon as I reach a battery temperature of 39.6°C, it will tell me that the phone battery is hot
- as soon as the battery temperature drops below 36°C, it will tell me that the battery temperature is normal
Therefore I have to say, yes it is better than without a cooling fan, but the temperature issue still exists. I could raise the outside temperature until when I can charge without worries.
So far I am happy with the solution as it is possible to gain battery level on long drives.
That's a nice solution (with tasker) - but as the battery status/charging also shows up as an icon on AA I just check the icon regularly during drivingn and when it stops charging put the phone on the wired charger. Works well on the long trips.