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I browse the market every day and I see this guy putting apps that consistently get low reviews. His highest ranking app is 3 stars. He spams the market with apps that are overpriced photo galleries that show pics and play sounds of one specific thing. I think we should help him get the message that his high refund/low ranking rates are not giving him. Please reply if you agree that his apps need to stop spamming the market. If you have not tried one yet, look here. I am not doing this to be mean, but he needs to be told not to quit his day job.
Where's the option for "No. I dislike spam apps, but I hate censorship more." ?
So if his apps were malicious would you vote to have them removed? Do you feel spam filters on email are censorship? They fill your box with junk in hopes of making a few dollars off of you. I am against censorship but his apps are rediculous.
So if his apps were malicious would you vote to have them removed?
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There are rules in place for the Market in regards to malicious apps. There would be no need to vote because the gatekeepers of the Market have already said malicious apps would be removed.
Do you feel spam filters on email are censorship?
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Of course not. The key difference is who gets to decide what is removed. With a spam filter, each user gets to decide whether he wants to see content or not. Any system that removes apps from the Market (that aren't infringing the basic rules as stated above) without your knowledge and consent is basically censorship, whether the decision is made by ten people at Google or a hundred people on xda-dev.
Not if your email provider passes your email through spamhaus you dont. Also I would ****LOVE**** to have a configureable filter but I doubt we will. As an acceptable alternative, I would like for consistantly low rated and highly returned items to be removed. Guess what walmart does if a product gets returned 80% of the time it is sold. Do they ask you?
Also, I am not trying to start a fight with anyone, just stating my view on the subject.
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Also, I am not trying to start a fight with anyone, just stating my view on the subject.
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I don't care to start a fight either; I'm just pointing out that what you are proposing is a path down a slippery slope, and it generally goes against the "open participation" ethos of Android. You should also keep in mind that one person's junk may be another mans treasure. Would I ever buy one of Khalid's lame $5 joke apps (literally, they're joke books!)? No probably not. That doesn't mean that someone else might not want it.
Edit: Just as an example, back in the early days of Market before developers could geotarget the regions for distribution, some Chinese developers put up some app whose interface was completely Chinese. I think it was a Chinese input method or a frontend for a Chinese website. Regardless, the ignorant fresh T-Mobile masses downloaded it, didn't understand what it was for, and then promptly uninstalled it and rated it zero stars. If you do a filtering system based on ratings, you are giving every uninformed ignoramus an equal say in whether an app is allowed to stay or go.
The Markets sucks! It needs the possibility for user to set their own filter
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dont show apps publiced by Khalid Shaikh! lower than 2stars, more expensive than x$ and so on..
only show apps of a specifig language (e.g. for traffic,taxi,bus,tv gadgets..)
sort for recently updated and so on .. that's what the market app really needs!
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The Markets sucks! It needs the possibility for user to set their own filter
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dont show apps publiced by Khalid Shaikh! lower than 2stars, more expensive than x$ and so on..
only show apps of a specifig language (e.g. for traffic,taxi,bus,tv gadgets..)
sort for recently updated and so on .. that's what the market app really needs!
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Yes, the market app needs customizable local (meaning on a user's own device) filters. That will partially solve the problem of crap apps littering the marketplace. However, I think overhauling Market client is low on the Google Android team's priority list. Unfortunately since it is a proprietary closed source app, there is no way for the dev community to take the matter into its own hands.
You would think that the king of searching would have some sort of decent searching on their own platform..
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Yes, the market app needs customizable local (meaning on a user's own device) filters. That will partially solve the problem of crap apps littering the marketplace. However, I think overhauling Market client is low on the Google Android team's priority list. Unfortunately since it is a proprietary closed source app, there is no way for the dev community to take the matter into its own hands.
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I am planning on developing an interface to the Market which allows for custom filters. I have a prototype Yahoo Pipe, which uses Cyrket to display Market data and allow simple filters. Basically, I can filter out apps that have certain words in the title, are from a certain developer (or more than one), or are below a certain rating threshold.
I will have to agree though on the statement about censorship. While it is true that his apps may be without any true merit, I do not believe that they are (or he is) breaking any of the Market rules or developer agreements. Unfortunately, as we've seen in the the "free" market and the iPhone AppStore, people are willing to download and even spend money on useless apps. I think as long as there is a market for this type of app we will continue to see them. Now, unfortunately that means we all have to deal with him, his apps, and others like him and his apps until either the Market allows for better filtering/sorting or a developer creates this for the community... It is much needed nonetheless.
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I am planning on developing an interface to the Market which allows for custom filters. I have a prototype Yahoo Pipe, which uses Cyrket to display Market data and allow simple filters. Basically, I can filter out apps that have certain words in the title, are from a certain developer (or more than one), or are below a certain rating threshold.
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thats awesome. if its anything like BarTor its going to be good
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I am planning on developing an interface to the Market which allows for custom filters. I have a prototype Yahoo Pipe, which uses Cyrket to display Market data and allow simple filters. Basically, I can filter out apps that have certain words in the title, are from a certain developer (or more than one), or are below a certain rating threshold.
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That's good to hear. What I meant is that the actual Market App itself cannot be modified to work the way we want it to. While being able to display Market data with filtering on a PC is nice, the bulk majority of users are still going to be suffering the standard Market app interface.
Unfortunately, as we've seen in the the "free" market and the iPhone AppStore, people are willing to download and even spend money on useless apps. I think as long as there is a market for this type of app we will continue to see them. Now, unfortunately that means we all have to deal with him, his apps, and others like him
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There will be more, that much I can assure you. As the Android platform grows, there will be more opportunist developers seeking to make a quick buck. It really is like spam. You throw a line out and because digital publishing is free, anything you get back is profit. There is basically no monetary risk involved in creating and distributing crapware. Atleast we won't have to suffer iPhone's idiotic ninety-nine cent "custom" name dialers. Although the number of soundboards posted daily is reaching dangerous limits...
I intend to make it an Android app. While it won't be a permanent fix,it might be what is needed to get Google moving on updates to the official Market app.
Anyway, on another note. I haven't looked at any one of the apps in question but I would venture a guess that they are in violation of copyright laws and as we have seen with the Tetris clones, Google does take action on matters of copyright. Maybe the best recourse then is to inform this developer of the copyright issues either directly or through Google.
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Frankly i can't agree with having a dev (does this word really apply in this case) removed from the market for producing crap. However i am completely in favour of spamming his inbox with as much crap as i can possibly manage just to see how he likes it. Free porn search here i come!
Anyone wants to help it's --EMAIL REMOVED-- Yes this is a very childish response but i'm pissed with having to sift through his crap every morning, i think it's only fair!
Ideally google can resolve this issue by allowing to create a list of blocked developers. And the ability to block any apps containing the word soundboard would make my day
nEx.Software an app that was basically cryket.com for the android would be awesome. What would really be sweet was if it had an independant comment system that was filterable as well. So we could ban commenters based on their username, words, etc... Filtering by ratings, developer, keywords, etc.. I love it already. Just link the products to their entries in the market. Basically, cryket for the android with comments... I CAN HAZ IT NOW PLZ K?
Also, I'd love to add IndiaNIC, LLC to the filter list. I'm sure *someone* out there likes that they're putting out 300 e-books about India a day, but I'm sure tired of scrolling past them.
The last thing I'd want is to see rigorous policing on the Android Market. He's spreading expensive crapware but I'm sure people are buying it and I'm sure some actually enjoyed it. I don't think removing his apps from the market is the best solution, keep the market as free from censorship as possible if you ask me.
I think the best solution is market search filters as discussed above.
I agree, the ability to "ignore" certain developers would be nice. The new developer I would instantly add to this list would be IndiaNIC, LLC. or whatever the hell they are called. They have about 40 apps on the market, and I don't think a single one has a comment.
/if anyone affiliated with IndiaNIC, LLC reads this, no offense, but please get the message when nobody is buying what you're selling
The more I think about it, the more I realize a filter would be a better idea than removing junk from the market. While I do not agree that anyone will find his apps useful, I do see the point in letting them choose. But at the same time we should be able to choose not to see his crap. As for IndiaNIC, I disagree with placing them in the same category. They have products with good ratings and seem to be making at least SOME useful apps. While I agree they put out too many at once, they seem to have a market for their apps unlike Khalid Shaikh.
Still, a filter would be better for all. I wish I could edit the poll now to add that as an option
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/if anyone affiliated with IndiaNIC, LLC reads this, no offense, but please get the message when nobody is buying what you're selling
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Spammers don't need to "get the message"! They know exactly what they are selling (junk). The whole point is they are trying to make a quick buck. And in the immortal words of P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute."
Nevermind the fact that all of those texts can be downloaded for free from manybooks or feedbooks and then read on FBReaderJ...
Is there a reason? I've used several nice apps from here, but just curious why you dont give them more exposure.
A lot of them are on the market, they are just posted here too.
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It costs money to get on the market. Xda is free. Would you rather get something for free here, or pay for it on the market?
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I think I remember reading in another thread that there was a fee you have to pay before putting apps on the market. I assume it doesn't matter if the app is free or not.
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It costs money to get on the market. Xda is free.
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Thats true.
Its like 20$+ to be a developer for Android.
The devs may not be sure if they'll get that 20$+ back after putting it on the market and it doesn't sell as much... so they post it here
As a Dev $25 doesnt really matter to potentially get more exposure so I don't understand why other devs don't put their good apps on the market many of them are useful even for people other than power users
is $99 not $25 and not all devs are from market enabled countries
I'm pretty sure it's $25. The app store on iOS is 100.
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The only reason I can see besides the $25 or $99 fee is the ratings.
Once an app is posted to the market you have somewhere around 9.2 million Americans with access to your app. If your app has bugs or is not perfect from the start you start getting 1 star ratings. These ratings will slowly knock your app away from any sort of recognition.
Developers on XDA post there app here in order to receive constructive criticism, instead of a market comment like "App has Force Close Errors 1 star." Instead on XDA the developers can get and give ideas to other. Then when they seem like the app is fully tested they can choose to post it to the market.
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I'm pretty sure it's $25. The app store on iOS is 100.
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The Android Market fee is a ONE-TIME $25. iOS is yearly.
Xda is a test bed for good ideas. Said good ideas get made into an app that gets throughly tested ppl with different phone models then the dev. Then the app can go to market.
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My apps are in the Android Market.
Mine is on the Market and has a thread on here, although I haven't attached the free APK to the thread.
And yeah, although the UI isn't great (I have plans for it) and I don't advertise a lot, I still managed to earn a little over $200 so far, making back well over the $25 I spent to be able to sell my app. It's worth it.
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Developers on XDA post there app here in order to receive constructive criticism, instead of a market comment like "App has Force Close Errors 1 star." Instead on XDA the developers can get and give ideas to other. Then when they seem like the app is fully tested they can choose to post it to the market.
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The above is a very good reason for posting your app elsewhere before publishing on the market. Most of the market reviews I've had regarding a problem didn't include any useful information on how to replicate the issue. For example, you'll typically get comments like "Freezes!" or "Force closes!" with no indication where in the app these problems occur. Likewise, identifying and fixing device specific issues is particularly difficult if you only rely on market reviews.
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Thats true.
Its like 20$+ to be a developer for Android.
The devs may not be sure if they'll get that 20$+ back after putting it on the market and it doesn't sell as much... so they post it here
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I'm not sure this is a big deterrent. It's a $25 one-time fee to publish as many apps as you want and you wouldn't need many sales or ad clicks to cover this cost.
agree....you will get more useful info alot faster on XDA regarding fuctionality and bug reports.
Alot of people just develop apps as a hobby with no intention of selling them. So why pay the $25?
and sometines you get banned without explanation so its a good place to upload you apk's google ban without send a warning maybe an icon, maybe something you did wrong and you couldnt fix they just ban and close you play store forever (and the next account you can made)
I put my Apps both on here and on the App Store.
I don't make any money from my apps, but I love Android because it's only a one time fee of $25 to publish apps to Android.
I was going to start with iOS but that's $100 yearly. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion.
Yup, Google Play is only a 1 time fee of $25. I dont think devs should be afraid of low ratings. You can't satisfy everyone. I get requests daily about what I should include in the app. There a lot of ideas and for a 99 cent app, I'm just not sure its worth it to build all these ideas into the app. The ones I do pay attention to are the ones where they say something doesn't work or it crashes when this or that happens.
Why is it if you have the coding skills to be able to create applications for, App store, marketplace or whatever, why would you create such toss, I would say wading through itunes, android marketplace and now even the windows phone marketplace the majority of apps are complete crap, do they allow them just to get the number of apps up, we have a bigger more successful app store than our competitor.
Some people just want to get an app out there, can't really blame anyone for wanting to try and develop something.
All the app stores have a large majority of crap, just the way it is.
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Why is it if you have the coding skills to be able to create applications for, App store, marketplace or whatever, why would you create such toss, I would say wading through itunes, android marketplace and now even the windows phone marketplace the majority of apps are complete crap, do they allow them just to get the number of apps up, we have a bigger more successful app store than our competitor.
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Yes to all your questions. Learn to code and provide some quality apps for us to use, or keep whinging. Both options are good.
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Appboy Interview
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Wow thats a lot of valuable information. thanks!
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Wow thats a lot of valuable information. thanks!
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Can anyone teach me how to make money by app?
prefently cretcas
Finth Dark said:
Can anyone teach me how to make money by app?
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Nice app + right Ads Network = profit
There are many mobile ad networks worth trying.
i.e. you can try out Leviteo Mobile Affiliate Network - more details at leviteo.com
The most important thing is to have a nice idea!
Then your app has to have a nice design and be smart!
After you developed the App you can sell it via Playstore or/and use ads in your app.
You have to make your App "famous" and get many people who are using this App.
If you have people who are using the app you can list in the App other Apps from you and recommend your Apps to them.
So you have a small Community
Important things
Develop a nice app
Get the right ads network
Advertise the app
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Develop a nice app
Get the right ads network
Advertise the app
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According my experience you need to develop easy to use, professional looking and easy to understand app, but keep in mind to do what people looking for, for example take pool game, go to google play, look how many pool games with keyword "pool game" then see comments, if are great you can resegment the game like so : "pool game on ice" so if people look for pool games and ice find you game, and if your game is also cool, you have a great probabilities to gain good money
I have sintetized a really huge argument... but warning to create a really cool great idea game... for my experience don't works