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Thinking of getting teh HD+ ..few questions to all you owners..

I have been looking at the HD+ for sometime and i might get one..i have had a few android tablets and i like the price of this one MUCH more.
few questions..
"The Verge" .com review was horrible..they showed Bad Bad lag, unlocking the screen, pulling the notifications shade down, swithing users etc..was this just a bad hardware issue or is this THAT laggy? did a software update fix it? what would all of you compare the smoothness to especually if you have owened more expensive tablets.
i know you can run CM10.1 but could i run nova launcher on top of the stock software? i read that the stock software gets better battery life?
talking about that..what are you all seeing for battery life and screen on time?
after reading all your comments i will make my decision. also the screen looks georgous and that is what i want..NO Pixels..haha
Thanks in advance!!

dvigue said:
I have been looking at the HD+ for sometime and i might get one..i have had a few android tablets and i like the price of this one MUCH more.
few questions..
"The Verge" .com review was horrible..they showed Bad Bad lag, unlocking the screen, pulling the notifications shade down, swithing users etc..was this just a bad hardware issue or is this THAT laggy? did a software update fix it? what would all of you compare the smoothness to especually if you have owened more expensive tablets.
i know you can run CM10.1 but could i run nova launcher on top of the stock software? i read that the stock software gets better battery life?
talking about that..what are you all seeing for battery life and screen on time?
after reading all your comments i will make my decision. also the screen looks georgous and that is what i want..NO Pixels..haha
Thanks in advance!!
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I've had my hd+ for a couple weeks, since 2.0.6, so I don't know about previous revs, but its not distractingly laggy or anything horrible like that. I've found it completely acceptable especially due the fact that it is well done in many other regards.
You can run any launcher you want now, even easier since they added google play store support built in, with 2.1.0.
Battery life is really fantastic, depending upon what your doing, etc.. your screen on time will go 6-9 hours easily. Sleeps well, with minimal battery loss as well.
I haven't bothered with cm because i'm quite happy with stock, so I can't comment much on that.
Your not gonna find a better value anywhere. The screen is amazing, 256 ppi and the color tuning they did is just gorgeous. toss in a 64gb sdcard like I have and you get 96gb super high res tablet with great battery life for far far less than anything else on the market.

I second everything andmer says. I'll add that I bought an HD+ right after they were released, and I never had any lag problems and loved the device from day 1. I only had responsiveness issues with the internet browsers I used(stock and maxthon), but the problems weren't that bad, really. Now with the new software update, everything is far smoother and faster than it ever was (for me, at least), and the Chrome browser has replaced the stock browser and is super-fast. I will reinstall Maxthon later tonight and see if that's any better now.
As for battery life, I've heard some people say on the B&N forums that they're getting some battery drainage since the update that they didn't have before, but i haven't had to charge my HD+ for 2 1/2 days and I've been using it a lot in that time--not constantly, but at least for 2-3 hours a night, including reading, installing apps, and lots of internet usage. I think certain apps (ones that are set to constantly update or sync) are to blame for the drain and not the operating system.
The screen is gorgeous--I've compared it in person to friends' tablets and even my wife's iPad mini, and it looks better than all of them. Again, no complaints and I would highly recommend it!

Great info guys...i may grab one today..i mean..how can you beat 179???

heh, i know what you mean..I just picked up a 32gb HD+ from my local target yesterday for $215 after taxes...Far better than $330
so far it looks REALLY good.

i picked one up at noon time. i must say i am impressed so far..and i have owned ALL andoird tablets..

dvigue said:
i picked one up at noon time. i must say i am impressed so far..and i have owned ALL andoird tablets..
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I feel the same, I had a tf101 and acer a500, have a nexus 7 and transformer infinity. The nook hd+ I got on monday is really nice...

dvigue said:
I have been looking at the HD+ for sometime and i might get one..i have had a few android tablets and i like the price of this one MUCH more.
few questions..
"The Verge" .com review was horrible..they showed Bad Bad lag, unlocking the screen, pulling the notifications shade down, swithing users etc..was this just a bad hardware issue or is this THAT laggy? did a software update fix it? what would all of you compare the smoothness to especually if you have owened more expensive tablets.
i know you can run CM10.1 but could i run nova launcher on top of the stock software? i read that the stock software gets better battery life?
talking about that..what are you all seeing for battery life and screen on time?
after reading all your comments i will make my decision. also the screen looks georgous and that is what i want..NO Pixels..haha
Thanks in advance!!
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I just got mine today, but so far i am VERY pleased with it.
You can definitely use Nova launcher, Ive got Nova, Apex, Go and Next 3D on mine right now (just playing around to see what i like the most on here, I use Nova and Next 3D on my HTC One). I was worried about the increase in screen size, but they scale perfectly.
I have no long term battery experience since i just got mine, but ive played on it all evening and the battery has been quite good. It also seems to charge pretty quickly.
Until about three weeks ago, i was a manager for an AT&T corporate store and got to demo a lot of Android tablets. I was honestly never impressed with any of them. I bought this Nook HD+ because i just started really getting into rooting and flashing custom ROMs, hoping to eventually work my way up to some light development. At the current price, i couldnt resist the Nook.
In all honesty i like it far more than other Android tablets ive used that are built with much higher specs. I cant quite explain why :silly:
Regardless, theres no buyers remorse here what so ever. Hope you pick one up, and enjoy it as much as i am mine :good:

I do not feel any serious lag with stock rom 2.10 and based on benchmark numbers it is actually quite good.
(Same scores to Nexus 7 in HTML5 benchmark, 44FPS in 1920x1280 with Epic Citadel 3D gaming benchmark. Nexus 7 has 55FPS)
I tried CM10 and CM10.1. I really liked CM10.1 but running it on SD card is just too slow mainly due to slow read/write by the SD card.
Once they have a stable build it may be possible to replace stock rom completely with CM10.1. That way there would be no I/O penalty from the SD card. At the moment though I would stay with stock rom 2.10 at least for some time.

well..i have to say..i returned the nook...apps like flipboard ran SO laggy, i mean bad..i was on stock 2.1 and tried nova also..no dice..in the end i could not handle some of the lag...
did i maybe have a bad nook?

dvigue said:
well..i have to say..i returned the nook...apps like flipboard ran SO laggy, i mean bad..i was on stock 2.1 and tried nova also..no dice..in the end i could not handle some of the lag...
did i maybe have a bad nook?
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Sorry about your bad experience. I don't use flipboard so I can't comment on that.
I tested dungeon hunter 4 in single player mode. It runs really smooth just like on the Nexus 7.
Also web browsing and playing online videos both work perfectly.
Maybe it doesn't work well with the apps that you use. If so it may not be a good fit to your needs.

[Q] Is anyone getting 'perfect' performance on CM11 vs alternative ROMs?

Hi, I'm only a couple days into owning the Nook HD+, really happy with it but sort of working on trying to get my performance a bit better. It's just a little sluggish. I'm currently on the latest official CM Nightlies (cm-11-20140617-NIGHTLY-ovation.zip)
It's about 80% usable but just slow enough that I'm considering flashing a new ROM. So far, I've turned on ART, set processor to ONDEMAND and I/O Scheduler to NOOP, as well as turning off animations and anything I can to get better response. Honestly, it's almost fine.. I'm just a little obsessive with tweaking. And it is pretty obviously slower than my Galaxy S4.
First question is, are most people using a slow CM11 or did I screw up? I had a few hiccups on my CM11 install at first, is it possible I did something then or now to cause the slow performance? Even the CM boot animation is slowww. I could factory reset, wipe dalvik cache etc and reflash my same CM11 Nightly to see if a fresh start is better.
Secondly:
Some people recommend 'Succulent' builds
Some people recommend 10.1.3 Stable
There are also Unofficial 10.2.1 Builds and even Carbon ROM
I would start flashing away myself, but I already spent some time setting up my apps & accounts & blah blah on my current ROM and I'd like to only do it all over again if I really know it's gonna help. Do we think CM11 is gonna get better quickly with each new Nightly and Milestone?
Can any seasoned Nook Warrior help guide me down the path of enlightenment? My performance is not great but it's usable. I'd love to have KitKat on this device but if it really just won't fly I'm OK with 4.3 or 4.2 if it means I can have the tablet of my dreams. Help me XDA, you're my only hope.
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edit: Since I got no responses here (what the deal, XDA?), I am starting to just go through the ROMs I linked myself to see how they perform. Just did a full wipe & restore to flash the 'Succulent' 28APR2014 Build. There is an immediate difference in that the CM boot animation is correct now, and not laggy and ****ed. This gave me a lot of hope, however after setting it up & messing around a bit, it's not quite as drastic a change as the animation. A bit faster, a bit better, not perfect. Gonna give it a day or two of use then probably try 10.2.

I'd be surprised if you saw significant performance differences between ROMs. They are all based on pretty much the same code after all. Although the Antutu benchmark results for my HD were about 10% better with CM 10.x.x than with the B&N software, I could detect no real world difference.
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lmacmil said:
I'd be surprised if you saw significant performance differences between ROMs. They are all based on pretty much the same code after all. Although the Antutu benchmark results for my HD were about 10% better with CM 10.x.x than with the B&N software, I could detect no real world difference.
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hey thank you for the reply! so far I'm pretty much settled with the 'Succulent' ROM. I'm surprised there wouldn't be a big jump in performance going back to 10.2.x or 10.1.x- wouldn't those be much less demanding on the hardware? that's what I had assumed anyway.
either way, I will probably stick with this ROM for now.

pchc_lx said:
hey thank you for the reply! so far I'm pretty much settled with the 'Succulent' ROM. I'm surprised there wouldn't be a big jump in performance going back to 10.2.x or 10.1.x- wouldn't those be much less demanding on the hardware? that's what I had assumed anyway.
either way, I will probably stick with this ROM for now.
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Actually Google did a ton of work to make KitKat run in less ram so it should be bit smoother than earlier versions.

jpisini said:
Actually Google did a ton of work to make KitKat run in less ram so it should be bit smoother than earlier versions.
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Wow, great to know! I will definitely try to stay on CM11 now. the Succulent build is pretty great. I'd say I'm happy.

I am pretty happy with his build as well it makes good use of the hardware. The Nook will never be as smooth as an iPad but for the price it is a great tablet.
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jpisini said:
I am pretty happy with his build as well it makes good use of the hardware. The Nook will never be as smooth as an iPad but for the price it is a great tablet.
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Yep, pretty much this. Although mine actually is equal to or a bit better than the GF's 1st gen ipad. Shame is she can't go back to an earlier iOS or install a custom ROM. so a physically perfect device is bordeline unusable because of apple policy. such a shame.

80% usable?
I don't know how one quantifies usability, but I had no complaints using CM 10.2.1. It's even faster using CM 11 6/15 and on. I'd say mine is 100% usable.
(You are on emmc, right?)
I use two apps for usability "benchmarking." The first is Garmin Pilot. There's a menu that pops up for map overlays that takes time to display. The closer to real time, the more usable the ROM. There's about a half second delay.
The other "app" I've started using to gauge usability is APPS in Settings. It used to be on CM 10.2.1 that it took a second or two to populate the Running applications. Now, in CM 11, the Running apps populate almost immediately after swiping. Can't get much faster than that.
FWIW, AnTuTu benchmarks at about 13660. (Hotplug, deadline, 512Kb cache using SD-Booster. Dalvik.)
I wonder if you need to run trim manually? I noticed my browser slowing down last month and used Lagfree. Browser sped back up.
Or perhaps do a /system wipe and reinstall? I've had leftovers in /system before.

PMikeP said:
FWIW, AnTuTu benchmarks at about 13660. (Hotplug, deadline, 512Kb cache using SD-Booster. Dalvik.)
I wonder if you need to run trim manually? I noticed my browser slowing down last month and used Lagfree. Browser sped back up.
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I have 3 Antutu data points for my HD. Stock: 12697, 10.1.3: 13234, 10.2.1: 13713. I know Antutu isn't 100% repeatable so it may be that the 10.1 and the 10.2 numbers aren't really different but they are both definitely faster than stock firmware. I saw similar improvements on my wife's HD+.
I thought trim was built-in from 4.3 on?

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I have 3 Antutu data points for my HD. Stock: 12697, 10.1.3: 13234, 10.2.1: 13713. I know Antutu isn't 100% repeatable so it may be that the 10.1 and the 10.2 numbers aren't really different but they are both definitely faster than stock firmware. I saw similar improvements on my wife's HD+.
I thought trim was built-in from 4.3 on?
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Seems like we're in the same ballpark benchmarkwise.
Yes, I've read that trim was built into the ROM. But I don't know when it triggers (daily, weekly, monthly) while charging. All I know is that, last week, while still on 10.2.1, my browser got really slow. So I used lagfix and the browser sped back up.

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Yes, I've read that trim was built into the ROM. But I don't know when it triggers (daily, weekly, monthly) while charging. All I know is that, last week, while still on 10.2.1, my browser got really slow. So I used lagfix and the browser sped back up.
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I used lagfix when I was on 10.1.3 but never really noticed any difference.
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I have been running the official cm11 m4 build on art for about 3 months now and am very satisfied with the performance. In all this time, I have only had a couple of random reboots.
I have not tried succulent's build, so can't compare, but am happy with my hd+.
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Stock Rom Faster?

Ok so I've tried almost every rom there is for the Nook HD+ even some weird Pacman rom. But reciently I decided to try out the stock rom seeing I bought mine already rooted. Its crazy but it seems faster! I was locked in a crazy boot cycle the other day with a newer rom and just decided to install stock as I had it there on my external sd card. I updated it to version 2.2.0 even tho last time I tried it, it failed (Its ment to) and everything just seems smoother. Although its has now been unrooted
I guess the only trouble I will run into is that it doesn't have trim support? I can probably see it slowing down in about 3 weeks.. How is everyone elses experience with the stock rom been?

Maybe it is just your nook that run stock better. Mine two nook and lots of others are running CM like a charm.
At least for mine nook , CM 10.2 just blow stock rom out of water and back in and out again. Smoother , faster, more customisable, better battery life...
Many say also say CM 11 kick ass as well.

I think stock runs faster, too. At first, with a fresh install. After installing my 150 or so apps it gets as slow as anything else if not slower, plus there is no TRIM support. I prefer CM11; it's pretty impressive in both speed and performance, and it's hard for me to give up the many customizations available and built-in root access.

Darrian said:
I think stock runs faster, too. At first, with a fresh install. After installing my 150 or so apps it gets as slow as anything else if not slower, plus there is no TRIM support. I prefer CM11; it's pretty impressive in both speed and performance, and it's hard for me to give up the many customizations available and built-in root access.
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hmmmm i was just pondering , how much faster cm11 will be compared with stock rom , just bought a HD+ , browsing is a bit sluggish and choppy when zooming in and out , using a fairly low level browser called Boat browser , i use the same browser on my Samsung Note 3 and its spot on nice and fast........i was hoping CM11 when i install it tomorrow would make quite a lot of difference .....seems as if it might not be based on the messages above !!!

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hmmmm i was just pondering , how much faster cm11 will be compared with stock rom , just bought a HD+ , browsing is a bit sluggish and choppy when zooming in and out , using a fairly low level browser called Boat browser , i use the same browser on my Samsung Note 3 and its spot on nice and fast........i was hoping CM11 when i install it tomorrow would make quite a lot of difference .....seems as if it might not be based on the messages above !!!
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No. stock rom is definitely not faster. Not by a long shot. That's crazy talk.

jamus28 said:
No. stock rom is definitely not faster. Not by a long shot. That's crazy talk.
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That's good to know, I shall install in the next few hours.
Which is your favourite version of kitkat for the nook hd+?

Antutu results are about 10% better with 10.1 or 10.2 vs stock on my HD. Didn't spend enough time with the stock ROM to tell if there was a noticeable performance difference.
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Just installed the latest CM11 nightly , boy what a difference it has made to the overall slickness / speed of the Android experince on the Nook HD+ , i only paid UK £54.99 delivered , turned up today , did my homework over the past few days and hey presto CM11 has turn a bit of a sluggish tab into a bargain great experince tablet !!! i generall use my Galaxay Note 3 for my evening surfing , but i guess i will be using the HD + most evenings instead !

jamus28 said:
No. stock rom is definitely not faster. Not by a long shot. That's crazy talk.
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Maybe OP 's nook is different then most of ours . Stock rom has its magic on his nook.
But for those who is really looking for a more responsive rom, I strongly recommend giving cm a try.
My nook is on cm 10.2. It usually last 1 week for me on a charge and I do quite some reading and watching movies.

justwondering said:
Just installed the latest CM11 nightly , boy what a difference it has made to the overall slickness / speed of the Android experince on the Nook HD+ , i only paid UK £54.99 delivered , turned up today , did my homework over the past few days and hey presto CM11 has turn a bit of a sluggish tab into a bargain great experince tablet !!! i generall use my Galaxay Note 3 for my evening surfing , but i guess i will be using the HD + most evenings instead !
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Dalvik or ART?
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I had the stock ROM with some the mods such as rooted and install unknown apps. I was happy with it but once I tried cm10.1 yellow kernel or the cm10.2 with the archdroid optimizations, I will never go back. I would recommend cm10.2 with the archdroid optimizations unless over clocking is important to you. If OC is important check out the yellow kernel ROM.
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justwondering said:
hmmmm i was just pondering , how much faster cm11 will be compared with stock rom , just bought a HD+ , browsing is a bit sluggish and choppy when zooming in and out , using a fairly low level browser called Boat browser , i use the same browser on my Samsung Note 3 and its spot on nice and fast........i was hoping CM11 when i install it tomorrow would make quite a lot of difference .....seems as if it might not be based on the messages above !!!
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I used to use Boat, too, but now I use Javelin. I recommend you check it out. Also make sure you run trim after you get everything installed and set up; it could make a difference.

I think on the HD+ there's something wrong with the video driver. Because I agree as well that with CM11 (any version M or nightly) the OS seems more responsive but video transitions and anything involving the screen updates is a dog. Try playing games like PvZ or some others with specific types of video needs and it's just a wreck. I made a video to highlight my Nook HD+ vs Kindle Fire (first generation slow as dirt) with the KF boot screen making the HD+ cry. You can see when I page back left after paging right the HD+ stutters trying to load the mostly empty page too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEJK-VUZunk

brentil said:
I think on the HD+ there's something wrong with the video driver. Because I agree as well that with CM11 (any version M or nightly) the OS seems more responsive but video transitions and anything involving the screen updates is a dog. Try playing games like PvZ or some others with specific types of video needs and it's just a wreck. I made a video to highlight my Nook HD+ vs Kindle Fire (first generation slow as dirt) with the KF boot screen making the HD+ cry. You can see when I page back left after paging right the HD+ stutters trying to load the mostly empty page too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEJK-VUZunk
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Nook HD+ has a 1920x1280 LCD. That's a lot of pixels to render and it is a bit too much for the TI OMAP 4470 to bear it seems. Most high performance computers don't even render that many pixels.

swaaye said:
Nook HD+ has a 1920x1280 LCD. That's a lot of pixels to render and it is a bit too much for the TI OMAP 4470 to bear it seems. Most high performance computers don't even render that many pixels
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The Kindle Fire HD 8.9" uses the same CPU/GPU and it doesn't have issues doing the same tasks. As the OP stated too the stock rom handles the load better too. I really believe we have a driver or memory management issue.

brentil said:
The Kindle Fire HD 8.9" uses the same CPU/GPU and it doesn't have issues doing the same tasks. As the OP stated too the stock rom handles the load better too. I really believe we have a driver or memory management issue.
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Could be. Jon Lee of the Yellow Kernel thread has done some changes to the PowerVR and Vivante GPU drivers but it hasn't really changed much as far as I can tell.
He also suggested using the "Force GPU rendering" setting in developer options but that has some caveats. It forces apps that aren't configured to use GPU rendering to do so, but forcing things doesn't always work out as you'd like. Some apps use the GPU(s) already.
We have smart people working on the kernels here and if whatever causes the graphics lag was obvious/addressable it would probably be gone. I am positive that resolution is part of the problem. I've used lower end OMAP4 devices like Nook Tablet with 1024x600 and they were much smoother.

brentil said:
Try playing games like PvZ or some others with specific types of video needs and it's just a wreck.
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Games aren't a really good way of deciding what's happening.
They can have different quality settings that there's generally no menu for, so its automatic picking for quality. Historically at least, Real Racing 3 would pick it wrongly and thus the game would have bad framerate on the nook hd+ needing use of a 3rd party app to force the game to lower graphics quality.

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Games aren't a really good way of deciding what's happening.
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I typically agree with this statement but if you view the video I posted in my other thread about this topic it's clearly apparent that an old as dirt, 1 GHz, 512mb, very first generation Android tablet running the exact same OS release smacked the crap out of the HD+. The Nook HD+ as is, is an embarrassing device running the non-default OS. The point of this is to ensure someone is aware of this and to see if anything can be done about it.

I haven't tried an emmc install of cm, only dual boot Jelly Bean and KitKat sd cards. But they break some of my regularly used apps, hence no emmc install.
But what I haave found is replacing the stock launcher with Holo launcher really speeds up stock. And Swapps task switcher lets you access recent apps. I'm not sure how it compares to an internal install of cm though, but I'm happy enough with performance.

In reading the commits for my Note II I noticed some new commits for the HD+ that haven't been closed yet. It looks like they're enabling a 128 MB swap partition for this device.
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/68840/

[Q] Why is my Nook HD+ embarrassingly slow?

I had bought a Nook HD+ to be the replacement for my aging 1st generation Kindle Fire (Otter) tablet. However after having had it for 6 months now I've been rather disappointed with it. On paper it should have been better than my OG KF in every way but in reality that has not been true.
Nook HD+
Released 2012
1.50GHz TI OMAP 4470 (ARM Cortex A9 + PowerVR SGX 544)
1 GB of memory
32 GB storage (controller without issue too)
CM11 Nightly 2014.08.02 installed to internal storage
Davlik, stock kernel, not overclocked
Kindle Fire
Released 2011
1GHz TI OMAP 4430 (ARM Cortex A9 + PowerVR SGX540)
512 MB of memory
8 GB storage
CM11 Nightly 2014.08.02 installed to internal storage
Davlik, stock kernel, not overclocked
Whenever it comes to anything relating to the screen though this old as dirt KF tablet still performs better than this much newer and on paper better device. The Nook HD+ is obviously better as most apps perform much better like browsing FB app, looking at web pages with lots of content, running any number of non-visual intensive apps.
Places the Nook HD+ bogs down.
Paging around in the home screen stutters when loading icons even if the page has already been loaded.
Closing an app and returning to the home screen is extremely sluggish and then requires reloading of each page.
The boot animation is completely embarrassing, it jitters and skips like it's been beaten to death.
Scrolling through large pages of data in Chrome jitters rather badly.
Some games with intensive video requirements are just nasty at times. Running really slow or slowing down over time.
This video shows the KF next to the Nook HD+ to show how horrible the start animation is. After loading I page left then right and you can see the home page stutter on loading the icons when I come back left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEJK-VUZunk
This video shows loading PvZ 2 where just the loading screens alone are running slower and jitter more. Then when loaded menus take longer to load and are very jittery compared to the KF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCG8GKIWyso
Note - I even removed the overclock from the KF for these tests.
I realize the resolution is greater on the HD+ than the KF but the Amazon KF HD 8.9" uses the same hardware as the HD+ and it doesn't have the same issues. I also recall when running the stock firmware the system was much more responsive than it is under CM11 (any version).
This really seems like a lack of a good video driver or something wrong with the memory management.
I'm looking for serious discussion on this and not "well mine works fine so it must be yours..." or suggestions of running some random ROM or running TRIM or tweaking some random setting. This is something more than basic settings as I've already tried several over the last 6 months along with fresh installs of CM.

Your hd+ looks normal. I wouldn't think about it too much as its more than likely not getting better than that.
I just bought a new phone and the hardware made android so much more snappier then it was on the last one no matter how much people had tweaked the roms.
Just how it is. Its a cheap tablet with a nice size screen and hardware not quite capable.

sandsofmyst said:
Your hd+ looks normal. I wouldn't think about it too much as its more than likely not getting better than that.
I just bought a new phone and the hardware made android so much more snappier then it was on the last one no matter how much people had tweaked the roms.
Just how it is. Its a cheap tablet with a nice size screen and hardware not quite capable.
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I've installed CM11 for two of my friends on their HD+'s, and their is snappier than mine. All are fresh installs. There is a very noticeable difference between mine (purchased in June, 2013), and theirs (purchased in May & June 2014). I didn't write everything down, but there was very little difference in the information for each device as reported by Quadrant.

Odenknight said:
I've installed CM11 for two of my friends on their HD+'s, and their is snappier than mine. All are fresh installs. There is a very noticeable difference between mine (purchased in June, 2013), and theirs (purchased in May & June 2014). I didn't write everything down, but there was very little difference in the information for each device as reported by Quadrant.
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You maybe experiencing lag since you have been running longer (since 2013, not just with CM11). Also you may have a different emmc chip than they do. There are hardware differences between some devices
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leapinlar said:
You maybe experiencing lag since you have been running longer (since 2013, not just with CM11). Also you may have a different emmc chip than they do. There are hardware differences between some devices
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Thanks for the info. I'll ask them to send me the device info and I'll compare them both. Based off of what you said earlier, it may be due to too many writes to the chip? If so, I can live with that. I did abuse the heck out of it.
Thanks to you, VG, and everyone else in the community who put all of this together.

Odenknight said:
Thanks for the info. I'll ask them to send me the device info and I'll compare them both. Based off of what you said earlier, it may be due to too many writes to the chip? If so, I can live with that. I did abuse the heck out of it.
Thanks to you, VG, and everyone else in the community who put all of this together.
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That is exactly what I meant. But if you run CM11 enough, it may speed up due to it running TRIM in the background.
Sent from my BN NookHD+ using XDA Premium HD app

Idk. Had two of these, one for three months and this one since around when you got yours. It performs as I remember and as I expect.
But since your comparing directly to another aren't ALL electronics that way? This display is more blue than that one, this hard drive has more errors that that one. This cpu can be oc'd more than that one.
There's always things causing speed differences. Background services, amount of free space - its best to have >50% free space, amount of installed apps, what leapinlar pointed out, etc.
In one month they could have no noticeable difference. Tis all I'm saying.
[You might was to switch over to using art instead of dalvic as well if not already. It may/may not help in making it feel faster as its suppoed to be the PBT™ (Performance Boosting Thing). Mine is on art. You may also want to go into the recovery and do a full backup before that.]

sandsofmyst said:
[You might was to switch over to using art instead of dalvic as well if not already. It may/may not help in making it feel faster as its suppoed to be the PBT™ (Performance Boosting Thing). Mine is on art. You may also want to go into the recovery and do a full backup before that.]
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Pardon my ignorance, but how do you do this?

neoage said:
Pardon my ignorance, but how do you do this?
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This post is for a phone, but it is the same for all devices (I just randomly picked a post):
http://forums.androidcentral.com/android-4-4-kitkat/404625-enabling-art-android-4-4-3-devices.html
Quote "To enable ART, Go to settings => About Phone =>Then go to Build Number and tap on Build Number until it ask if you want to enable Developer Options (or something in that effect) Once you say yes, Go back once and above About Phone you should see Developer options.
Under Developer options, go to "Select Runtime" (which should be on Dalvik) and select ART. Once you do this it will need to reboot your phone and then it will go through an update process on your Apps. Depending on how many Apps you have this can take a bit. I suggest doing when you won't need your phone for a few minutes and also make sure to plug your phone into power to help it go faster.
Once it is done, I suggest testing one or two apps to make sure they work. Then I would reboot your phone one more time. (This seems to fix a noticed app lag after the update). Once it comes back up, use your phone as normal and enjoy the free speed boost and a little added battery life. I have not noticed any issue with the 168 apps on my Nexus 5 nor any stability issue with the device, but again you millage may vary on your device and apps."
Some additional notes:
I stress doing a full recovery backup first. If you don't have enough internal space available, then that may cause it to be unusable when android starts up due to it failing while configuring art.
Phones (and other low internal storage devices) are a bit problematic due to amount of space available. My htc sensation couldn't enable art from not enough internal space. But the nook hd+ (for instance) has plenty (assuming its not all used).
Art is supposed to be enabled automatically in the next android release.
"With the L Developer Preview, ART is now the default runtime."
https://developer.android.com/preview/api-overview.html
Art requires more space due the fact that apps are pre-compiled during install:
"ART, on the other hand, uses an Ahead-of-Time compiler (AOT) to process application instructions before they're needed so things run more smoothly for the user."
http://lifehacker.com/android-art-vs-dalvik-runtimes-effect-on-battery-life-1507264545
You'll possibly lose about half a GB or more. It just depends on how many apps including the apps included with the rom.

The reason why the hd+ has poorer performance is probably due to it dragging a 1920x1080 (2073600 pixels) screen while the Fire has a 1024x600 screen (614400 pixels). Processing a full 1080p screen vs a 600 makes a big difference. The 544 isn't much of an upgrade over the 540 to make up for it. While it doubles the frame rate in graphics by about 2x over the 540, its having to push more than 3x the pixels.
Apple had the same issue with the ipad 3 when they went to the retina screen. It was a bit of a dog on pushing the retina screen, hence the quick rollout of the ipad 4 with a much faster cpu and gpu.
Lastly, amazon has a lot of pretty good paid developers optimizing the heck out of the Fire. I doubt its running a stock google display/graphics driver.
One of the things with high density displays. They're pretty and nice for text but you need plenty of horsepower to run them.

I signed up for alerts but doesn't seem like I was getting them.
I was comparing it to the OG Kindle Fire because it was the first real Android tablet and it's old as dirt now. Also as mentioned in the other performance vs stock thread when running the default Nook HD+ OS the interface is a lot more responsive and games perform better too. It seems like there's something missing between those kernel's/drivers and the CM version.
Of note these commits might help us with some of our issues. It looks like they're enabling a 128 MB swap partition for this device.
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/68840/

Best Cyanogenmod version for battery life on Nook HD+?

We have 3 Nook HD+s that are used mostly for trips. I've upgraded them to CM13 and the battery life seems much worse. So I'm thinking of downgrading to CM11 which seemed pretty solid and has official nightlies. I can also do other versions if it's a good idea.
I was pleased that it was possible to upgrade to CM13 at all and think it's great that people are putting the effort into doing that. But we're going to be on a long flight and it's always kind of nerve-wracking because we only have one external battery (Anker) that the Nooks will charge from.
At home, my kids prefer their Chromebooks and the Nooks sit. It's hard to think in terms of getting new tablets because the Nooks still have their 1920x1080 screens and are paid for. We have a shared Amazon Kindle account and that gets the 3 kids a lot of shared reading material.
Thanks!

FWIW I've been running CM11 nightly build dated 11/22/15 since it first came out and I am very happy with its performance -- responsiveness, stability, and battery consumption.

I'm using mm aosp and shut down the bus I don't use with titanium backup, I get a few hours of sot with it running heavy Wi-Fi, brightness maxed, and an app that updated extremely frequently with Wi-Fi (fallout 4 companion app). Just saying so you have options.

I have been using 11-20150817 Ovation Nightly for a long time. I probably should have switched to the 11/22/2015 version mentioned above, but the one I'm on ain't broke so I'm not fixing it. I have had very good results with this, but there are several tricks to it. First, I use Autostart Pro (from the play store) to stop a lot of things from starting when I boot. There are a lot of apps, like browsers, weather and email, that I don't want eating juice unless I need them. Next, I use Greenify Contribution version (from the play store) to stop things from starting after startup unless I call them. I greenify everything that I can. If it isn't an app the system needs or a widget I want to see, I greenify it. You have to be careful not to mess around too much with the system apps. I have also found that this CM11 version has memory leaks that sometimes corrupt dalvik cache. I use Root Cleaner (from the play store) to rebuild dalvik cache about once a week. I have some other things I do which may have an effect on battery usage. I made some additions to build.prop. The changes mainly force the GPU to do more work. There are also some battery tweaks with small effects. If you're interested, I'll publish them. I get about 6-8 hours on my Nook HD+ with this configuration, running with WiFi on. I can't resist the screen size either.
A RAM memory saving trick I use is Folder Organizer (from the play store). You can organize your apps into folders and then put them on your launcher as 1x1 widgets. This seems to save RAM memory over having them in launcher folders on on launcher pages. What's great about that is you can transfer the groups to other Android devices. I think that using less RAM for the launcher means less memory swapping, which saves battery. I use Apex launcher, but I think this will work with other launchers. I would recommend deleting all the apps you're not going to use. They might escape from being Greenified and eat juice.
Recently I've rooted and started using an LG Gpad 8.3. It has 1920x1200 resolution but it's a smaller screen. It's a lot faster, with quad processor compared to the Nook's dual processor, but for reading Kindle books, I still like the Nook HD+ screen size better. However, the LG Gpad 8.3's are going for under $80 on Ebay and an $11 charger will charge them.

Where can I get the 11/22/2015 build? It's not available on the get.cm site and I haven't been able to find any links searching the forum.

slipslip said:
Where can I get the 11/22/2015 build? It's not available on the get.cm site and I haven't been able to find any links searching the forum.
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/zrph9oqdd2t5jgj/cm-11-20151122-NIGHTLY-ovation.zip

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http://www.mediafire.com/download/zrph9oqdd2t5jgj/cm-11-20151122-NIGHTLY-ovation.zip
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Thank you for that, it's working great. A lot smoother than the build of cm13 I had on it previously.

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slipslip said:
Thank you for that, it's working great. A lot smoother than the build of cm13 I had on it previously.
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Does anybody have a link to the build of this for hummingbird?

2Mourty said:
Does anybody have a link to the build of this for hummingbird?
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Unfortunately CM official download site does not maintain old nightlies that far back.