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Good and bad news about this. The radio works, with headphones that have an FM antenna! Yay!
But
The reception is bad...
and I mean, BAD. Cuts in and out of local stations that I always get 100% signal from a car or any other radio.
Mine works great and I'm 50 miles north of Atlanta.
TwistedTJ said:
Mine works great and I'm 50 miles north of Atlanta.
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You also don't have an AT&T Touch Pro...
Hmmm, the phone obviously recognises the headset is plugged in, but do you defiinitely have the right one?
Mine only works properly with the HTC S300 headset (Diamond and Raphael standard ones). When I tried it with my old Kaiser/Hermes headset, I only got faint radio, and a lot of static...
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Hmmm, the phone obviously recognises the headset is plugged in, but do you defiinitely have the right one?
Mine only works properly with the HTC S300 headset (Diamond and Raphael standard ones). When I tried it with my old Kaiser/Hermes headset, I only got faint radio, and a lot of static...
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Not sure if it's the identical set that came in the box, but I bought it from expansys and it's specifically noted to be for the HTC Touch Pro and include an FM radio antenna... I don't know beyond that.
Black93300ZX said:
You also don't have an AT&T Touch Pro...
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No but I do have an HTC Touch Pro and I would think the FM radio would be the same as yours.
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No but I do have an HTC Touch Pro and I would think the FM radio would be the same as yours.
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Unfortunately, Black's AT&T Touch Pro didn't come with any radio software installed, or a headset, so he's starting from scratch...
I don't think anyone is selling the official Diamond/Pro headset yet, but I would assume that any HTC headset with an antenna should work, so I'm at a bit of a loss, as the software seems to be working and picking up some sort of signal.
Perhaps there actually is an antenna connection between the receiver and the headset that is inside the HTC Touch Pro, but was left out of the AT&T version?
This is likely wishful thinking, but I am thinking that the fact that the AT&T hardware contains the FM receiver is further evidence that the hardware is identical to the HTC standard issue units and, inferentially, that the Touch Pro's 3G radio will be identical as well.
matchtrader said:
This is likely wishful thinking, but I am thinking that the fact that the AT&T hardware contains the FM receiver is further evidence that the hardware is identical to the HTC standard issue units and, inferentially, that the Touch Pro's 3G radio will be identical as well.
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Haha, identical?
1) Different model names
2) No front camera
3) Different keyboard
4) Push to talk button
It's just wishful thinking. We're all assuming/hoping the UMTS radios will all be there, but don't say the radio working is any hint of that. ;-)
matchtrader said:
This is likely wishful thinking, but I am thinking that the fact that the AT&T hardware contains the FM receiver is further evidence that the hardware is identical to the HTC standard issue units and, inferentially, that the Touch Pro's 3G radio will be identical as well.
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Even if the hardware is identical and he is using the Radio software designed for Europe/Asia, then the software might be designed to pick up the even numbered bands (102.2, 99.8 etc). The radio stations in North America use odd numbered frequencies (102.1, 99.1 etc). Hence the terrible quality. Just a possibility.
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Even if the hardware is identical and he is using the Radio software designed for Europe/Asia, then the software might be designed to pick up the even numbered bands (102.2, 99.8 etc). The radio stations in North America use odd numbered frequencies (102.1, 99.1 etc). Hence the terrible quality. Just a possibility.
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Well, the other guy here (ATL area or wherever) said he gets fine reception, and that's with a european touch pro... So I don't know why it would be different for mine.
Might be because it's a different headset, who knows. Maybe someday I'll throw another $30 towards the ones that came with the phone.
Black93300ZX said:
Haha, identical?
1) Different model names
2) No front camera
3) Different keyboard
4) Push to talk button
It's just wishful thinking. We're all assuming/hoping the UMTS radios will all be there, but don't say the radio working is any hint of that. ;-)
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All of these are peripherals. Sorry if I was not precise enough in my post, but there has been much speculation on the boards by a lot of very credible folks that the internal radios and chipsets on these units are identical.
I was going to say something smart about your attitude but I won't.
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All of these are peripherals. Sorry if I was not precise enough in my post, but there has been much speculation on the boards by a lot of very credible folks that the internal radios and chipsets on these units are identical.
I was going to say something smart about your attitude but I won't.
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Well I appreciate you not saying anything smart, that'd be a tragedy. As for the speculation of hardware, I'm fully aware of what's been questioned. All I'm saying is that the FM radio has as much to do with the UMTS radios as the PTT button and the keyboard, we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same but I don't think this should help that argument.
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Well I appreciate you not saying anything smart, that'd be a tragedy. As for the speculation of hardware, I'm fully aware of what's been questioned. All I'm saying is that the FM radio has as much to do with the UMTS radios as the PTT button and the keyboard, we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same but I don't think this should help that argument.
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Hmmm, fm radio -- internal component, keyboard and PTT buttons -- peripheral and external. I am guessing logic is not your strong suit? Sorry for the tragedy.
By the way, if "we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same" (and who is "we"?) then why the smart-alek comment in the first place? Never mind; don't answer that. I think from the other threads on the forum it is pretty clear why.
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"we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same"
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Sorry, by "we" I was referring to everyone I've spoken with from the forum who's done research regarding the subject. I spoke with one person who told me he saw a Q&A session with HTC's CEO regarding the Diamond, and something was said to the effect of "the US radio and MicroSD slot had to be removed to make it as small as it is..."
That would be pretty valid information towards saying the US radio should be present in the European Touch Pro.... The fact that I can listen to music on it, to me, isn't. But honestly I don't want to start anything, I'm on thin ice with the mods now as it is. I apologize for any rash comments and let's just be friends.
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Hmmm, fm radio -- internal component, keyboard and PTT buttons -- peripheral and external. I am guessing logic is not your strong suit? Sorry for the tragedy.
By the way, if "we're pretty sure the UMTS radios are the same" (and who is "we"?) then why the smart-alek comment in the first place? Never mind; don't answer that. I think from the other threads on the forum it is pretty clear why.
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Last time i checked the hardware for FM radio, and for cellular signal were not the same. If it were then why would you need the headphones in order to receive a signal, think about it. I do think it's far more likely that they cripple the abilities through software than by stripping out the hardware functions. If the test unit that Black has is able to start working with a simple cab addition then it is likely that scenario will continue with the official models.
I also will say that there is no need for the snarky attitude so many users seem to have here. It is not necessary to mock someone simply because they disagree with you. No matter how many time it gets said it seems that nobody listens...but here goes again "treat other members with respect" always!
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But honestly I don't want to start anything, I'm on thin ice with the mods now as it is. I apologize for any rash comments and let's just be friends.
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Good cause then we'd have to find someone else with an AT&T touch pro to pester with questions.
"If it were then why would you need the headphones in order to receive a signal"
Just for information - On all phones that have a radio, the wired headphones are always needed for the aerial. This is becuase the antenna in the device is not capable of receiving FM transmissions due to the wavelength of the signal. FM at approx 100MHz has a much larger wavelength thant the GSM signal (900 - 2100Mhz) and hence requires the larger aerial.
Black93300ZX said:
Well, the other guy here (ATL area or wherever) said he gets fine reception, and that's with a european touch pro... So I don't know why it would be different for mine.
Might be because it's a different headset, who knows. Maybe someday I'll throw another $30 towards the ones that came with the phone.
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Have you tried to tune into different stations? When you do scan for stations, does it let you scan the odd numbered ones? Can you manually enter the frequency for a specific radio station? Sorry, I dont have a Touch Pro or a Diamond myself so I cant do these tests.
This is probably a stupid question, but if the wired headphones are used as the antenna, does that mean that Bluetooth headphones can't be used to listen to the radio? There was a review on pocketnow that suggested that wireless headphones could be used (though I wonder if there's some specific HTC set they're referring to). I'm just curious.
ardsar said:
"If it were then why would you need the headphones in order to receive a signal"
Just for information - On all phones that have a radio, the wired headphones are always needed for the aerial. This is becuase the antenna in the device is not capable of receiving FM transmissions due to the wavelength of the signal. FM at approx 100MHz has a much larger wavelength thant the GSM signal (900 - 2100Mhz) and hence requires the larger aerial.
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That was my point actually, because the person i was replying to was insistent that the cell radio had something to do with the FM Radio, which they really don't. sorry if that was unclear.
Good afternoon to everybody!
I need your help here: I think that bad bluetooth reception on our Nooks because it wasn't designed from the beginning to be operational, so antenna is not present at all.
What if device will be opened and some antenna (maybe regular wire) will be installed.
What do you think? I am ready to hack my Nook for trying and post results here.
* I need information what chip is used for bluetooth communication and how I will find i within my Nook.
* Is regular wire soldered up to this chip will enhance bluetooth reception?
look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892615
onclebob said:
look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892615
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Thanks, bro! These are really encouraging news:
First results: The standard WL1271's antenna switch support chip is installed and fully wired, the teething pain problems that the programmers are having with bluetooth are not hardware related.
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Waiting for software engineers to find a proper way...
Bluetooth Coupler?
Does anyone think that using a square of metal foil on the back of the Nook might help to couple the BT signal and make it a little stronger?
I'm considering buying a bluetooth transmitter for the Nook. They look like they plug right into the audio jack. It might be a bit of a pain but they don't look that big.
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I'm considering buying a bluetooth transmitter for the Nook. They look like they plug right into the audio jack. It might be a bit of a pain but they don't look that big.
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Into the audio jack? You have an example of one?
Just do a search on Amazon for Bluetooth Transmitters.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...luetooth+transmitter+3.5mm&sort=relevancerank
twopossums said:
Just do a search on Amazon for Bluetooth Transmitters.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...luetooth+transmitter+3.5mm&sort=relevancerank
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That will only be good for audio, this will not enhance by any mean the use of a bluetooth keyboard or anything else...
Plus, that will only allow you to send audio feed, you won't receive anything, in fact, I believe we don't even have a ring for micro on the headphone jack.
According to androidtablets.net not only does the the nook color have a bluetooth chip but also a fm radio chip but with stock os you cant use it of course. Does this mean that with cm7 you can also access the fm radio ability like it allows you with bluetooth? If anyone knows please post below.
No, the FM chipset is not connected to any sort of antenna therefore it does not work, regardless of if your running stock or CM.
Midnitte said:
No, the FM chipset is not connected to any sort of antenna therefore it does not work, regardless of if your running stock or CM.
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Ok but could it be possible to add an wire antenna? Or could you add one like that of an android phone as someone did with an htcs speaker and added it to the nook or is it impossible?
Some phones use headphones as the antenna. I wondered this about the nook, but never cared to find out.
Good Question
colorfulnookie said:
Ok but could it be possible to add an wire antenna? Or could you add one like that of an android phone as someone did with an htcs speaker and added it to the nook or is it impossible?
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I have wondered about this myself. I bought and learned how to root my Droid 4 for the sole purpose of having the FM radio. I am working on getting my Nook Color to run CM7, and found your post when I searched. I know on my D4 I needed to have it rooted and installed Spirit FM, it works well with the headphones attached. I also found a way to make an antenna using a Radio Shack plug and the antenna off an old cordless phone handset, It works surprisingly well! I don't see why it wouldn't work for the NC, IF it has the fm chip, and IF we can access it. I don't know if Spirit FM has been tested with it or not, but it's worth looking into.
KrellaKrentoshi said:
I have wondered about this myself. I bought and learned how to root my Droid 4 for the sole purpose of having the FM radio. I am working on getting my Nook Color to run CM7, and found your post when I searched. I know on my D4 I needed to have it rooted and installed Spirit FM, it works well with the headphones attached. I also found a way to make an antenna using a Radio Shack plug and the antenna off an old cordless phone handset, It works surprisingly well! I don't see why it wouldn't work for the NC, IF it has the fm chip, and IF we can access it. I don't know if Spirit FM has been tested with it or not, but it's worth looking into.
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This has been addressed many times, in this forum and others. To my knowledge no one has gotten anything other than static from any app (Spirit included) with any headphones at any time. I'd guess that there is no connection between the radio chip and the headphone socket, for antenna functionality.
I haven't pursued this in a while though, so there could be newer info out there.
Hmmm
tonestertm said:
This has been addressed many times, in this forum and others. To my knowledge no one has gotten anything other than static from any app (Spirit included) with any headphones at any time. I'd guess that there is no connection between the radio chip and the headphone socket, for antenna functionality.
I haven't pursued this in a while though, so there could be newer info out there.
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Good to know. I will do a little searching in the morning and post any info I may find. Do you know if any guts tinkering has occured to make that connection? I am hoping for a simple, easy solution, like modifying an atrix lapdock to work for a Droid phone
KrellaKrentoshi said:
Good to know. I will do a little searching in the morning and post any info I may find. Do you know if any guts tinkering has occured to make that connection? I am hoping for a simple, easy solution, like modifying an atrix lapdock to work for a Droid phone
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Been doing some digging since I last posted, and the news, I'm afraid, is not promising.
I learned that the FM receive and transmit (!) antenna functions of the WL1271 chip are on different pins than the WLAN/Bluetooth antenna pins.
In addition, there are dedicated FM Audio Out L/R pins which I would suspect are not provided for on the Nook board/module. It's not clear to me if these are the only outlet for any FM decoded by the chip, though.
These, along with the fact that TI pretty much abandoned the FM feature of this chip in the OMAP implementation, (by their own admission) make the FM radio function for us... challenging.
tonestertm said:
Been doing some digging since I last posted, and the news, I'm afraid, is not promising.
I learned that the FM receive and transmit (!) antenna functions of the WL1271 chip are on different pins than the WLAN/Bluetooth antenna pins.
In addition, there are dedicated FM Audio Out L/R pins which I would suspect are not provided for on the Nook board/module. It's not clear to me if these are the only outlet for any FM decoded by the chip, though.
These, along with the fact that TI pretty much abandoned the FM feature of this chip in the OMAP implementation, (by their own admission) make the FM radio function for us... challenging.
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Challenging isn't the same as impossible, and it must surely be easier than trying to get CM7 installed to SD card for my NC. I'm beyond stuck on that one, been trying off an on for a year. It seems to me that if the problem lies in the hardware, we should be able to correct that. BTW, did I see correctly, there may be FM TRANSMIT capabilities?! That would rock!! I would be blissfully happy just getting FM recieve to work. If the pins aren't provided for on the NC board, what would be a possible way to correct that?
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Challenging isn't the same as impossible,
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True.
and it must surely be easier than trying to get CM7 installed to SD card for my NC.
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I had difficulty with that the first time, too. I can probably help, but either in PM or another thread; been running SD cards for about as long as you've been trying.
It seems to me that if the problem lies in the hardware, we should be able to correct that. BTW, did I see correctly, there may be FM TRANSMIT capabilities?! ...
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Unfortunately, even though there are some great resources around (see the Novaports sticky above, for one) there's just not enough solid info yet to discover whether there's access to the necessary pin. The whole chip is about 1/4 inch square, containing about 115 contact sites in what's called a ball grid array, or BGA, all on the bottom surface of that tiny, "wahfer-thin" speck. This is married to a daughtercard which brings the necessary contacts out to the real world and has some more circuitry (most notably the chip which handles the wireless/bluetooth antenna switching). There's no way to tell from the pictures I've found whether they designed any access to the FM receive pin for the outside world. And I'd bet good solid money that there's no access to the FM transmit pins (separate Antenna and Audio L/R).
So, not impossible, but the real question is, how much would you be willing to spend to re-engineer a new daughtercard to gain access to these things (if, in fact, they're not accessible)? It would undoubtedly be more than the price of a brand new tablet which already contains all these things and more.
If they did bring the RX pin out on the daughtercard, then it should be possible to do some microsoldering and a lot of what I've just said is moot. But without disassembling one I have no way of knowing. If this were the case, then Spirit would likely be the way to go, as I ran across indications that Mike was doing some serious digging into this issue last year. There's also an infinitesimal ray of hope for drivers from a ROM that somebody put together for one of the Droids, which uses the same chip, that apparently has FM working.
I suppose one moderately simple test would be to load up Spirit, and bring a moderately powerful FM transmitter right up to the base end of the Nook, hoping for some leakage through all the shielding, and see if a signal can be picked up. Unfortunately, unless the result were positive, we'd be no further than we already are.
Oh. Ok
tonestertm said:
True.
I had difficulty with that the first time, too. I can probably help, but either in PM or another thread; been running SD cards for about as long as you've been trying.
Unfortunately, even though there are some great resources around (see the Novaports sticky above, for one) there's just not enough solid info yet to discover whether there's access to the necessary pin. The whole chip is about 1/4 inch square, containing about 115 contact sites in what's called a ball grid array, or BGA, all on the bottom surface of that tiny, "wahfer-thin" speck. This is married to a daughtercard which brings the necessary contacts out to the real world and has some more circuitry (most notably the chip which handles the wireless/bluetooth antenna switching). There's no way to tell from the pictures I've found whether they designed any access to the FM receive pin for the outside world. And I'd bet good solid money that there's no access to the FM transmit pins (separate Antenna and Audio L/R).
So, not impossible, but the real question is, how much would you be willing to spend to re-engineer a new daughtercard to gain access to these things (if, in fact, they're not accessible)? It would undoubtedly be more than the price of a brand new tablet which already contains all these things and more.
If they did bring the RX pin out on the daughtercard, then it should be possible to do some microsoldering and a lot of what I've just said is moot. But without disassembling one I have no way of knowing. If this were the case, then Spirit would likely be the way to go, as I ran across indications that Mike was doing some serious digging into this issue last year. There's also an infinitesimal ray of hope for drivers from a ROM that somebody put together for one of the Droids, which uses the same chip, that apparently has FM working.
I suppose one moderately simple test would be to load up Spirit, and bring a moderately powerful FM transmitter right up to the base end of the Nook, hoping for some leakage through all the shielding, and see if a signal can be picked up. Unfortunately, unless the result were positive, we'd be no further than we already are.
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So I guess the best thing I can do for the moment is to get CM7 to boot and try Spirit on it. I can do that, and I have a transmitter that might work too. I will post the results.
KrellaKrentoshi said:
Challenging isn't the same as impossible, and it must surely be easier than trying to get CM7 installed to SD card for my NC. I'm beyond stuck on that one, been trying off an on for a year. It seems to me that if the problem lies in the hardware, we should be able to correct that.
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Really?
have you tried this post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
because that's been around for quite some time...and it is rather easy...
and it's been around for well over a year....
just sayin...
yep
I have tried it, and 2 others, and im stuck.
KrellaKrentoshi said:
I have tried it, and 2 others, and im stuck.
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okay...it's pretty simple...but i'll bite....where are you stuck? what exactly about the process is messing you up...
you get the CM7 image, burn it to your SD card using the program provided...insert it into the nook and press the power button...
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okay...it's pretty simple...but i'll bite....where are you stuck? what exactly about the process is messing you up...
you get the CM7 image, burn it to your SD card using the program provided...insert it into the nook and press the power button...
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..........and watch the little blue android on the skateboard for the next 20 mins until i shut it off. It wont get past the blue dude's splashscreen. I'm working on it on another thread and PM. In the meantime, do ya think you could run the little experiment mentioned a few posts back please?
I made some progress today!!
tonestertm said:
True.
I had difficulty with that the first time, too. I can probably help, but either in PM or another thread; been running SD cards for about as long as you've been trying.
Unfortunately, even though there are some great resources around (see the Novaports sticky above, for one) there's just not enough solid info yet to discover whether there's access to the necessary pin. The whole chip is about 1/4 inch square, containing about 115 contact sites in what's called a ball grid array, or BGA, all on the bottom surface of that tiny, "wahfer-thin" speck. This is married to a daughtercard which brings the necessary contacts out to the real world and has some more circuitry (most notably the chip which handles the wireless/bluetooth antenna switching). There's no way to tell from the pictures I've found whether they designed any access to the FM receive pin for the outside world. And I'd bet good solid money that there's no access to the FM transmit pins (separate Antenna and Audio L/R).
So, not impossible, but the real question is, how much would you be willing to spend to re-engineer a new daughtercard to gain access to these things (if, in fact, they're not accessible)? It would undoubtedly be more than the price of a brand new tablet which already contains all these things and more.
If they did bring the RX pin out on the daughtercard, then it should be possible to do some microsoldering and a lot of what I've just said is moot. But without disassembling one I have no way of knowing. If this were the case, then Spirit would likely be the way to go, as I ran across indications that Mike was doing some serious digging into this issue last year. There's also an infinitesimal ray of hope for drivers from a ROM that somebody put together for one of the Droids, which uses the same chip, that apparently has FM working.
I suppose one moderately simple test would be to load up Spirit, and bring a moderately powerful FM transmitter right up to the base end of the Nook, hoping for some leakage through all the shielding, and see if a signal can be picked up. Unfortunately, unless the result were positive, we'd be no further than we already are.
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I got my NC running CM 7.2.0. Turns out I needed to rename the ROM and also something was bad on my SD card. I have been happily exploring CM7 and getting my google apps on my NC for 2 hours now. Among the apps I downloaded is Spirit FM, the free version for testing. It loads well, I plugged in headphones and an antenna and can't get a signal, not even static. I will look for my transmitter tonight/tomorow and see what happens then. Thanks for all the encouragement and support on the CM7 thing yall!
Yay!
KrellaKrentoshi said:
I got my NC running CM 7.2.0. Turns out I needed to rename the ROM and also something was bad on my SD card. I have been happily exploring CM7 and getting my google apps on my NC for 2 hours now. Among the apps I downloaded is Spirit FM, the free version for testing. It loads well, I plugged in headphones and an antenna and can't get a signal, not even static. I will look for my transmitter tonight/tomorow and see what happens then. Thanks for all the encouragement and support on the CM7 thing yall!
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Looking forward to your results. And, Enjoy!
I did the test.....
tonestertm said:
True.
I had difficulty with that the first time, too. I can probably help, but either in PM or another thread; been running SD cards for about as long as you've been trying.
Unfortunately, even though there are some great resources around (see the Novaports sticky above, for one) there's just not enough solid info yet to discover whether there's access to the necessary pin. The whole chip is about 1/4 inch square, containing about 115 contact sites in what's called a ball grid array, or BGA, all on the bottom surface of that tiny, "wahfer-thin" speck. This is married to a daughtercard which brings the necessary contacts out to the real world and has some more circuitry (most notably the chip which handles the wireless/bluetooth antenna switching). There's no way to tell from the pictures I've found whether they designed any access to the FM receive pin for the outside world. And I'd bet good solid money that there's no access to the FM transmit pins (separate Antenna and Audio L/R).
So, not impossible, but the real question is, how much would you be willing to spend to re-engineer a new daughtercard to gain access to these things (if, in fact, they're not accessible)? It would undoubtedly be more than the price of a brand new tablet which already contains all these things and more.
If they did bring the RX pin out on the daughtercard, then it should be possible to do some microsoldering and a lot of what I've just said is moot. But without disassembling one I have no way of knowing. If this were the case, then Spirit would likely be the way to go, as I ran across indications that Mike was doing some serious digging into this issue last year. There's also an infinitesimal ray of hope for drivers from a ROM that somebody put together for one of the Droids, which uses the same chip, that apparently has FM working.
I suppose one moderately simple test would be to load up Spirit, and bring a moderately powerful FM transmitter right up to the base end of the Nook, hoping for some leakage through all the shielding, and see if a signal can be picked up. Unfortunately, unless the result were positive, we'd be no further than we already are.
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Houston, we have a problem. I have a stock nook running cm7 on sd card. Spirit FM Free with superuser permissions granted couldn't pick up the transmitter. :crying: I even put the transmitter right up against the nook and didn't hear anything, so it's not looking very good. I know on my droid 4 I had to have it rooted in order for the FM to work, I wonder if that is the case here? Anyone got a rooted nook to try this experiment out on? Once my warrenty is up I will try "nooting" and see if FM works then. If it is the daughter card, I am at a loss. Anyone got an idea about what we can do next? tonestertm, I can't find your Novoports sticky. Can you repost the link please?:good:
KrellaKrentoshi said:
tonestertm, I can't find your Novoports sticky. Can you repost the link please?:good:
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No need for a link, the Novaports thread is the third one down from the top of this forum.
Hi All,
Im thinking of buying a new head unit for my BMW E90, are there any preferences over these brands? Im swaying towards the Eonon GA7165/GA8165 but i believe most of these units are all the same but branded differently?
<--Update-->
Right so after carefully considering everything for 2 years I finally bought one!
I've just purchased the Xtrons PE9890BIPL
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It is on offer for just £239.99 which to me was a steal as second hand units (if you can find one) tend to sell for around £150+ because most people paid £300ish.
it has a beefy specced system of an Octa Core PX5 processor with 4GB RAM and a 32GB ROM running Android 8.0. This unit also has a big 9" screen at the expense of losing a DVD drive and some physical buttons (all of which can be used from your own steering wheel controls) but they offer the same spec with a smaller screen and contains the physical buttons if you'd prefer the physical buttons and DVD drive.
the newer head units running Android 9.0 aren't as good, currently offering a quad core PX35 processor (same x64 bit architecture but runs more efficient) and only 2GB RAM and 16GB ROM so it's a downgrade really.
Then of course we move onto the brilliant XDA forum for custom ROMS, and it just so happens they've already managed to get Android 9.0 onto these PX5 units
So I chose Xtrons because from what I've read most companies buy these units from the same supplier and brand them leaving other factors to be considered, for me xtrons is UK based so next day delivery, plus clearence prices, they also offered the beefier head unit, support seems okay (some chaps hasd ssues with steering wheel functions not working after locking and getting back into car, long story short they sent people new looms and sorted) and then on top of this XDA developers providing custom ROMS which can fix a lot of the common issues. I'll provide another update when it comes on Monday
at the moment
8-core-px5 - Dasaita > All because of the different (stand-alone BT and WiFi chips)
4-Core-px3 - IMHO the only differnce is the OS. 7.1 has no custom roms yet, so yo probably have a bloated OS
difference at both to consider: AMP chip TDA7388 or TDA7850, clear recomindation is the TDA7850 because ist has way more power and sounds clearer and more crisp
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/Car-android-GPS-For-BMW-E93-318LI-E92-325-E91-320LI-E90-328LI-autoradio-navigation-head/32808481136.html
zapedge said:
difference at both to consider: AMP chip TDA7388 or TDA7850, clear recomindation is the TDA7850 because ist has way more power and sounds clearer and more crisp
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Hey I'm new here.
Is the selection of AMP chip important ? Seems there's very few manufacturers using TDA7850.
The few that do use TDA7850 seem lots more expensive. Is this normal ?
Example http://smarty-trend.com/13-2-din-universal
zapedge said:
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8-core-px5 - Dasaita > All because of the different (stand-alone BT and WiFi chips)
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1) BT and Wifi are going to be on the *same* chip, so don't need to pluralize that.
2) The positioning of that particular RF chip (whether it be on the SoM or the host board) doesn't *technically* matter. The downside to being on the host board is typically that the reseller may have a bigger part in writing software that interfaces with it, and reseller written software is always a very bad thing.
3) Intel Sofia units also have the wifibt and GPS chips on the SoM.
Even with the wifibt on the SoM, the resellers *still* manage to mess it up, however, it may be somewhat easier to clean up in this case.
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bgroper said:
Hey I'm new here.
Is the selection of AMP chip important ? Seems there's very few manufacturers using TDA7850.
The few that do use TDA7850 seem lots more expensive. Is this normal ?
Example http://smarty-trend.com/13-2-din-universal
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I think it may have to do mainly with your needs and expectations.
Neither is going to satisfy anyone who self-identifies as an "audiophile".
I think the main differences are that the 7850 is slightly more powerful (4x50 vs 4x45 watt), and is ok with 2 ohm speakers where the 7388 is 4 ohm only.
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00179160.pdf
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00145702.pdf
luciusfox said:
1) BT and Wifi are going to be on the *same* chip, so don't need to pluralize that.
2) The positioning of that particular RF chip (whether it be on the SoM or the host board) doesn't *technically* matter. The downside to being on the host board is typically that the reseller may have a bigger part in writing software that interfaces with it, and reseller written software is always a very bad thing.
3) Intel Sofia units also have the wifibt and GPS chips on the SoM.
Even with the wifibt on the SoM, the resellers *still* manage to mess it up, however, it may be somewhat easier to clean up in this case.
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I think it may have to do mainly with your needs and expectations.
Neither is going to satisfy anyone who self-identifies as an "audiophile".
I think the main differences are that the 7850 is slightly more powerful (4x50 vs 4x45 watt), and is ok with 2 ohm speakers where the 7388 is 4 ohm only.
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00179160.pdf
http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resou...df/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00145702.pdf
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Which make and model has the 7850 chip? I've just had a look at the Eonons, Xtrons and Joying units for the E90 and the most I have found is 4x48w and all the rest are the same 4x45w.
Not sure which chip mine got but I do have the Octacore GA7165A and I'm really happy with it just a few setup things I need to figure out. I also installed Viper4Android which improves the sound greatly only issue I'm facing is it does not apply to the MTC radio.
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Not sure which chip mine got but I do have the Octacore GA7165A and I'm really happy with it just a few setup things I need to figure out. I also installed Viper4Android which improves the sound greatly only issue I'm facing is it does not apply to the MTC radio.
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Probably because the radio analog output never touches the CPU. It goes RADIO --> BD37xxx --> amplifier --> speakers.
The BD37xxx is an audio processor/mixer. Bunch of analog inputs, bunch of analog outputs, i2c control from either the MCU or SoC depending in which vendor it is.
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Not sure which chip mine got but I do have the Octacore GA7165A and I'm really happy with it just a few setup things I need to figure out. I also installed Viper4Android which improves the sound greatly only issue I'm facing is it does not apply to the MTC radio.
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Hi mate,
Good to hear that Viper4Android works on the GA7165A model, so you've not experienced any other issues? On a YouTube video I've read various things such as Audio quality being poor through Spotify which is one of the main things I'd want, and also phone calls sounding muffled, though I assume that's probably down to the positioning of the Mic itself. What sound system do you have as well mate, is it stock or upgraded?
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Probably because the radio analog output never touches the CPU. It goes RADIO --> BD37xxx --> amplifier --> speakers.
The BD37xxx is an audio processor/mixer. Bunch of analog inputs, bunch of analog outputs, i2c control from either the MCU or SoC depending in which vendor it is.
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Very surprised you know information as detailed as that Knowing all that you do, what would you advise to purchase?
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Hi mate,
Good to hear that Viper4Android works on the GA7165A model, so you've not experienced any other issues? On a YouTube video I've read various things such as Audio quality being poor through Spotify which is one of the main things I'd want, and also phone calls sounding muffled, though I assume that's probably down to the positioning of the Mic itself. What sound system do you have as well mate, is it stock or upgraded?
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I’ve got the stock sound system of a 2006 E91 I have installed Spotify but I haven’t used it yet still waiting for my mifi device but I’ll give it a shot maybe tomorrow and let you know.
In terms of Bluetooth / phone Bluetooth music is very good and also works through Viper4Android for the phone function itself I’ve only used the internal mic so far and that is a bit quiet but I’ll install the external mic later in the hope that it will improve the volume issue.
One thing I did have was V4A wouldn’t start automatically until I installed it as a system app now or does that just fine and from a sound quality perspective it is not worse than the default Prof. Head unit if anything I would say better since I can set a more granular sound set-up ( I like deep bass when the radio is not too loud just like the loudness feature on other stereos).
Not sure where you live if anywhere near southwest London feel free to pm me and we can meet for a coffee and you can have a look at it
@mrsweet1991 Have not yet tinkered with the mic but I did try Spotify for you and can report it works just fine I left the Spotify EQ off and instead use V4A and the sound quality is as good as an MP3 on the USB.
Hope that helps.
Have now installed the external mic however I had to disconnect the internal mic to get good quality I might go ahead and solder the external mic onto the internal port so I can use that for OK Google etc as well but with external mic and internal disconnected the quality is good.
How can i root the ga8165 and install xposed framework?
Another thoroughly derailed / hijacked thread
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Hi All,
Im thinking of buying a new head unit for my BMW E90, are there any preferences over these brands? Im swaying towards the Eonon GA7165/GA8165 but i believe most of these units are all the same but branded differently?
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I recently purchased this unit (GA7165A)and installed it.
If you purchased this unit how do you like it so far?
By the way I have a L7 AMP (fiber) and had to do a bit of research to figure out a few functional work around.
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Have now installed the external mic however I had to disconnect the internal mic to get good quality I might go ahead and solder the external mic onto the internal port so I can use that for OK Google etc as well but with external mic and internal disconnected the quality is good.
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Hi Mate,
Been such a long time since I've been on here, I just wanted to say a big thanks for the information it's good to know. I'm hoping one day I might get a break from fixing things on the car and actually get to stick an eonon unit in! Last time I here the 7165a was the best out and now there's a 8165a lol
mallen462 said:
I recently purchased this unit (GA7165A)and installed it.
If you purchased this unit how do you like it so far?
By the way I have a L7 AMP (fiber) and had to do a bit of research to figure out a few functional work around.
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Hi mate, I've not had a chance to buy one yet.. I seem to end up fixing the bloody car all the time haha. Walked in for an MOT and come out with a failure for a snapped rear spring and a couple of other minor things.. Starting to get back on track now though, so I take it you have the logic 7 system? Mines just the basic system with underseat subs so should be easier to setup but less rewarding on the sound quality side haha.
Also interested in buying a unit for my E90, just not sure how to pick a unit and know that im getting one of the more reliable manufacturers with stable software? Anyone have experience with the Eonon 8165A? seems like the best deal..
Xtrons
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Can any GA8615a owners vouch for the sound quality? Is it any worse than the stock HU?
So I've been wrestling with the Pumpkin Auto 8.0 head unit. There's a hardware defect in the SWC control circuit, and I've also found out that there's no onboard accelerometer. That knee-caps it for my primary use, capturing telematics data for fuell efficiency study.
So, two strikes and you're out...
Does anyone know if there's an manufacturer that supports the "normal" Android hardware profile, including Accel/grab sensor?
Thanks!
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So I've been wrestling with the Pumpkin Auto 8.0 head unit. There's a hardware defect in the SWC control circuit, and I've also found out that there's no onboard accelerometer. That knee-caps it for my primary use, capturing telematics data for fuell efficiency study.
So, two strikes and you're out...
Does anyone know if there's an manufacturer that supports the "normal" Android hardware profile, including Accel/grab sensor?
Thanks!
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The real honest truth is that the market for car radios doesn't demand sensors like accelerometers. Yeah, there are uses for it, but there are very few people who actually demand it.
So here is my suggestion; I'm working on a board that will allow anybody with some moderate computer skills to build a very custom car radio using standardized components. https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...its/rfc-feeler-aosp-custom-car-radio-t3817712 -- I'm not selling it yet, I'm just doing my last hardware build now, after which I'll get the ball rolling with a manufacturer for it.
This board doesn't have an accelerometer built into it, HOWEVER, the whole system is *entirely* open source, and I've taken specific care to make the board expandable, which means that it is trivial to plug in a *very* inexpensive sensor module, like this; https://www.amazon.com/ATIMOSOS-MPU9250-Acceleration-Gyroscope-Compass/dp/B073TWVRNC -- $7 and free shipping
So if you want, sit tight, watch that thread, and build yourself a custom system.
Note: It will be more expensive than a chinese car radio, but infinitely more flexible and a hell of a lot faster. The SBC I'm working with (HiKey 960) is 4xA73 + 4xA53. That is a heck of a lot more horsepower than any off the shelf car radio. That board itself is also an "official" AOSP reference board, and runs Android 9.
Thanks sounds like a really interesting project.
I moved to the Joying 10.1 inch unit which does have a magnetometer, but no accelerometer. (shrug). FWIW another vendor - Belsee - said that they do have the component in their units, but I couldn't find a model that fit my specs in other areas.
My plan at this point is to build a separate module that pushes it's own data to my cloud tenant (Azure) and sync/merge sensor data with the Torque BHP data I'm saving in the same CosmosDB instance. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that for everyone, but I'm just as interested in IoT as I am telematics data. And while building a device proof that is standalone might be overkill for this use case, I'm also thinking of some car security measures that would justify the PITA factor. ?
Mad respect for your effort to make something that can be produced at scale. That's no mean feat. Looking forward to see how your project progresses! ?
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