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i'm so confused, android apps download to internal or sd card?

hi. thanks truly for reading this.
i was reading through this forum and i was going to buy a SD card (sandisk class 4, everyone seems to agree is best).
people say it doesn't matter what size you buy if i'm just going to stick with one rom like cm7.
what i am confused is people also say that an advantage to rooting vs putting it on my sd card is seomthing about APPS downloading.
i'm confused, can i not use apps or download a lot of apps if i use an SD card? if i buy a big sd card (16gb), shouldn't i have a lot of space?
last question. is the sd card people are buying the sandisk ultra series like the one below?
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra...7HQK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1308541691&sr=8-2

I just did this the other day and had a million questions (that people helped me with), so I can definitely give you an amateur's perspective (although I did a lot of reading here beforehand).
Yes, it seems SanDisk is the card to use, and not too high a class. This is the one I used: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B1AR50
and it works great.
I put the CM7 on the card because I want to be able to revert the Nook to the original system without a lot of fuss. And I also didn't want to risk screwing things up. I have never rooted my phones, but when I saw this using the sd card, I was all over it.
It is my understanding if you install to the sd card, it occupies it entirely and you don't have it available for extra storage. I'm sure someone will come around and correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if you could partition it, but that's over my level. So rooting the device would give you more room on a card for apps and media if you need it. But you can still install tons of apps directly on the NC. I think people who actually install movies would run out of space pretty quick, but other than that, not so much.
I followed verygreen's directions very carefully (and still had questions), and things worked out really great. I think the NC with mods is totally unbeatable. And these people here who do all the work so we can enjoy it are amazing.
I used a combination of these links for the process yesterday:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
http://quinxy.com/2011/04/01/comple...c4-android-2-3-gingerbread-on-the-nook-color/

Maybe it depends on what ROM you are using but from my experience you should still have room left on the MicroSD afterward for installing apps. I used Racks11479 Phiremod/Honeycomb dualboot image for mine and still have over 4 GB left on my SD card partition using an 8 GB Sandisk MicroSD. The instructions I used are located here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045018

When you burn an OS to a card, you are actually burning the OS to one partition of many on that physical card.
Typically you'll still have a large partition called 'SDCARD' which acts like an SD card, but is still on the same physical card.
So moving files from 'phone' to 'SDCARD' just changes if they are in the 'apps' parition or the 'SDCARD' partition -- they're still on the same physical device.
The emmc (internal) memory is not accessible when running a ROM from the SDCARD (unless you do something to change that fact).

thank you very much for the replies.
just to confirm, are the sandisk ULTRA cards the one people are buying to use with it?

My Class 4 Sandisk 16gb did not say Ultra though it is probably fine regardless since the consensu is Sandisk seems to be a reliable maker.
CM 7 on the uSD makes four partitions. 1st partition is called boot. 2nd and 3rd partition are not accessible. 4th partition is the largest, and is for storage of Apps, music, videos, etcl. On a 16gb card, you have about 13gbs in that 4th partition so it should be plenty for loading up stuff.

LBN1 said:
My Class 4 Sandisk 16gb did not say Ultra though it is probably fine regardless since the consensu is Sandisk seems to be a reliable maker.
CM 7 on the uSD makes four partitions. 1st partition is called boot. 2nd and 3rd partition are not accessible. 4th partition is the largest, and is for storage of Apps, music, videos, etcl. On a 16gb card, you have about 13gbs in that 4th partition so it should be plenty for loading up stuff.
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many thanks mate. this was actually the answer i was looking for exactly.

64GB Micro SDXC compatibility

Many of other recent devices have been confirmed that 64GB SDXC card work on those devices if it's been formatted by the phone. If other phones can work with SDXC, I'm sure our Thrill will work too.
If you purchased a Sandisk 64GB MicroSDXC card, please confirm here that it works. Thanks
Part# SDSDQY-064G-A11A
http://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdisk...42400/CategoryID.57048000/productID.236010300

cproaudio said:
Many of other recent devices have been confirmed that 64GB SDXC card work on those devices if it's been formatted by the phone. If other phones can work with SDXC, I'm sure our Thrill will work too.
If you purchased a Sandisk 64GB MicroSDXC card, please confirm here that it works. Thanks
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If you can list these devices and point to where its said the 64GB is working I'll give it a go. I'll be getting a small sum to work on a idea I had and I might tack that sd on to the expenses.

review on SGSII
http://www.androidnz.net/2011/09/sandisk-64gb-micro-sdxc-cards-confirmed.html
64gb on SGSII
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038039
64GB on Sprint Epic 4G I think this guy used an adapter to get standard SD card into his phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1290779
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16279672
Transformer
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1278950
Sensation
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1274789
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265745
Desire HD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1281585
Many of these users reported that the ExFat file system will not work with 64GB card. It has to be formatted to Fat32 by the phone. Once formatted, the card will work.
Also from Wikipedia
Other operating system kernels, such as Linux, make no distinction between SDHC and SDXC cards, as long as the card contains a compatible filesystem.
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Thats what I needed
I'll add that to my expenses and let you know in this thread once I get it. It may be a few weeks until I can get everything ordered though. Buts whats a few weeks if it saves ya $200?

The AndroidNZ review is mine (I was the third person to confirm they work, but the first to publicise it, always interested to hear which other devices they work in!).

Just a quick update: The SD will be on order next week.

oh wow, really 64GB? how much is enough? lol

latinohot said:
oh wow, really 64GB? how much is enough? lol
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Unlimited: Cpu, cores, channels, ram, etc. all with a thought sensitive keybord and UI projector crammed into the size of a cell battery. Then Ill be happy. It would also have to meet mil. specs. Of course if it didnt come in the most popular colours of the day and have 200000 apps I wont want it.
But until then Ill have to be happy running a laser keyboard/ pico
projector through this phone (custom rom) and connecting in the cloud to my fiances tribes supercomputer
That should make college fun.

Format it as exfat ut should allow over 4gb.
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Not sure if you read any of the posts I linked but in order for the SDXC to work with the Thrill, you have to format to FAT32 not ExFAT. ExFAT will not work. files over 4GB will not work.

ExFAT (tried with 8GB that is stock) is not compatible with the LG Thrill on 10K (European) Firmaware.
I tried the Windows selected default of 32kb and also "Default Allocation Size", both leave the OS complaining of damaged SD card.
(Can't wait for a Cyanagen Mod, I remember reading in the footnotes of the most recent release LG Thrill was on the list of upcoming; hopefully this will add EXT3 support.)

hacked2123 said:
ExFAT (tried with 8GB that is stock) is not compatible with the LG Thrill on 10K (European) Firmaware.
I tried the Windows selected default of 32kb and also "Default Allocation Size", both leave the OS complaining of damaged SD card.
(Can't wait for a Cyanagen Mod, I remember reading in the footnotes of the most recent release LG Thrill was on the list of upcoming; hopefully this will add EXT3 support.)
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This is true.
Confirmed working on stock (formatted it inning a backup and my friends thrill)
Does not work on v10k according my phone.
Sandisk tested.
Hated 2123: Im running v10k and have an 8gb and it formats just fine. It's formatted xfat

So you have a working 64GB Thrill?

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So you have a working 64GB Thrill?
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Sorry I posted that after being up for 24 hours.
Yes the sd works I tried it on 2 separate of thrills

What model number of card was tested?
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Yes, can we get that model number please?
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And is their Amway to not have to pay over 200 for it?
Sent from my LG-P925

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=64+gb+micro+sd&gs_upl=1716l4414l0l4539l14l12l0l0l0l0l359l2153l0.2.6.1l9l0&um=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=851&wrapid=tlif132399127966910&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=6000280246372562053&sa=X&ei=_IDqToT0NoqQiAKJpbSGBA&ved=0CHgQ8wIwAg#
Sorry EXTREMELY busy right now.

The phone doesn't have trouble recognizing the card seeing that it's twice the capacity to format from phone? could you format fat32 using windows?

64GB microsdxc not compatible with the Tab

So it seems that the Kingmax 64gb microsdxc card doesn't work with the Tab. Hardly unexpected but hey you never know until you try. It just keeps asking me to format it over and over again.
Oh well, it works fine on my gs2

As far as i know, the tab only support 32GB sdcard.

More specifically, the microsdhc spec supports up to 32gb. Usually when they say a device only supports 32gb it's because it uses this spec so it implies this limit. But some newer devices specifiy microsdhc however they can use more than the 32gb limit. So that was my hope here.

Got it, so is a limitation about the sdcard tec, not a limit of tab hardware...

Well maybe both. Who knows. Maybe it's a good excuse for me to start cooking roms and writing kernels.

Back in the day...
Back in the old days, my old HTC XDA Exec, was not compatible with the new fangled technology of SDHC, and was only able to read SD until some enterprizing folks here at XDA created some updated drivers for it.
Remember the form factor is identical, only the file system (I believe, I may be wrong) of the SD/SDHC/SDXC system changes.
Hopefully someone can get the drivers from a device that does support SDXC to work with the Tabs SDHC reader.

I think your hardware actually has to support the new format, not just the software. My guess is that your old HTC actually supported SDHC at the hardware level, just not at the software level yet. I have a card reader in my desktop as well as one in my laptop that will only read SD, not SDHC, regardless of the size. I am pretty sure SDHC slots will never be able to read SDXC unless the hardware was actually built to support it, but we'll see.

What are you filling your Tab with?
I have been using my tab for over 6 months now and still have not used over 4GB, so the 16GB it has internally was always more than enough. I wonder what all of you are using the space for? Are you loading it with movies & Music or what else?
Any way you can always get the connector to attach a USB storage to your tablet and plugin an extra storage when needed. I mean you can archive your old movies & music to an external USB Drive!

digg1980 said:
I have been using my tab for over 6 months now and still have not used over 4GB, so the 16GB it has internally was always more than enough. I wonder what all of you are using the space for? Are you loading it with movies & Music or what else?
Any way you can always get the connector to attach a USB storage to your tablet and plugin an extra storage when needed. I mean you can archive your old movies & music to an external USB Drive!
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Yeah, but who the $*%& want's to carry around an external when it could all be internal
Another idea, and I read through the thread and didn't see this mentioned. Would it matter if the card was broken up into two 32GB partitions?
This just made me think of this, does anyone know a partition type for android that would allow file transfer to SD Card over 4 GB? I've always thought that was a FAT limitation (which it is) but hadn't considered other supported format types that might allow for the bigger transfers but also be recognized by Android.
Now that's a burning question!

Most roms are ext4. Try using that. Downside, your windows boxes won't support these out of box

Thanks for the advice about the custom rom. I might give that a shot.
As for why I use this much, this tab is my car stereo so that means lots of music and movies for long trips. It's easy to eat up a lot of space that way.

no0n said:
Most roms are ext4. Try using that. Downside, your windows boxes won't support these out of box
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Tried it, didn't work because I think Android is expecting it to be FAT32 when it's inserted. I wonder if there is a ROM out that would allow for EXT4 SD cards instead of having to use FAT32? Anyone heard of anything like that?

matt.wolfley said:
Tried it, didn't work because I think Android is expecting it to be FAT32 when it's inserted. I wonder if there is a ROM out that would allow for EXT4 SD cards instead of having to use FAT32? Anyone heard of anything like that?
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My understanding of this might not be correct but I think fat32 shouldn't be an issue. The 64gb card I got is fat32 and my gs2 seems to use it fine.

matt.wolfley said:
Tried it, didn't work because I think Android is expecting it to be FAT32 when it's inserted. I wonder if there is a ROM out that would allow for EXT4 SD cards instead of having to use FAT32? Anyone heard of anything like that?
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Also, which custom rom did you use?

cruton said:
My understanding of this might not be correct but I think fat32 shouldn't be an issue. The 64gb card I got is fat32 and my gs2 seems to use it fine.
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Sorry, I kinda hijacked your thread. I was just thinking if you created two 32 GB partitions to see if it was a capacity limitation. I'm not using a custom rom right now, I was just wondering if there was a rom that would allow you to use ext4 on an as card for large file transfer. 64 GB would do me little good without alleviating the limitations of fat 32.
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I think TAB support maximum SD card is 32G... or u can try different format, it might be work....

Well after much wrestling with Odin I managed to flash Roderick's ef17 kernel and now the 64gb card works, Sky Wizard be praised!!
I don't know if it was the kernel or if my Tab was messed up. And video seems choppy, I'm not sure if it's a slow card or something else yet.

Anyone tried a 256GB card?

Just wondering if anyone has tried a 256GB card with the Z3. I am running Oreo now and it rocks so was going to get a 128gb card to use as internal but well...why not go all the way to 256gb if it works, right?

If your question is still up to date, a Samsung EVO+ with 256GB will work fine. Accordingly, cards from other manufacturers should also work. However, I don't know whether it can be formatted as an internal memory.
I wouldn't do it either, because the SD card is much slower than the internal memory.

SageDroid said:
If your question is still up to date, a Samsung EVO+ with 256GB will work fine. Accordingly, cards from other manufacturers should also work. However, I don't know whether it can be formatted as an internal memory.
I wouldn't do it either, because the SD card is much slower than the internal memory.
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I am running 8.1with the sdcard as internal and while Oreo rocks I do think sdcard is indeed lagging but I thought it could be my slow card. So you mean that reading from any sdcars is slow with this device? Would be a shame since it has the 16GB limitations

shaolin95 said:
I am running 8.1with the sdcard as internal and while Oreo rocks I do think sdcard is indeed lagging but I thought it could be my slow card. So you mean that reading from any sdcars is slow with this device? Would be a shame since it has the 16GB limitations
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I don't need the memory on the tablet anyway. I tried it some time ago on my Xperia Z3 phone with the app "A1 SD Bench" and the difference was already noticeable.
At the moment I keep it that way, that I have all apps internally and transfer pictures, music etc. to the memory card. My device is running like hell.

I may try that app again to only push bigger data and keep more important apps on then internal. I use the z3 as my daily phone. The way the industry is right now with those horrible (for me at least) aspect ratios 18:9 phones, I won't be buying a new phone for a LONG time lol

Exit Note 4?

In March 2016 I bought my Galaxy Note 4 SM-N910C, after spending 4 years with a Samsung Galaxy S3. (great device by the way).
However, one thing I've been missing in Note 4 is the lack of more internal memory. 32Gb is already running low. I've been buying a new Note for a long time, but with 128GB and SD slot. I think of Note 9 ...
I know that many here still have Note 4, as it is a spectacular device even over the years. Is anyone already thinking about migrating to a device with 128GB or more?

It's only about your expectations of your phone. Internal applications couldn't be installed on External Memory (SD Card or OTG Storage), so if you use a lot of applications, you may change your Note 4 instead any phone which has a larger internal capacity.
I've also had a Note 4 since March 2016. (As same as with you. ) I'm OK with its octa-core processor, 515 PPI Quad-HD Screen, external storage (I'm using it with 512 GB Samsung MicroSD, so its 32 GB Internal storage isn't problem for me.), 16 MP quite sharp Camera etc, it is still great phone around many specs. But, its 3 GB RAM (And because of its software, we could use only approx. half of it.) isn't enough anymore. Without reloading, it couldn't keep anything on its virtual memory. Thus, sometimes it may be slow while using Chrome etc. I'm still OK with it but after a few months, at most after a year, I'm not sure about I will say "I'm still OK with it."

Thanks for the answer.
After I returned to Lollipop 5.1.1, a lot of internal memory was left compared to Android 6.0.1.
The sd card is almost full too and I may need to buy a bigger one. I have a 64GB Sandisk.
I'm doing my best not to spend money on a new cell phone now, but it will be the way.

S3Killer said:
Thanks for the answer.
After I returned to Lollipop 5.1.1, a lot of internal memory was left compared to Android 6.0.1.
The sd card is almost full too and I may need to buy a bigger one. I have a 64GB Sandisk.
I'm doing my best not to spend money on a new cell phone now, but it will be the way.
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I use 256GB SD card as adoptable storage to increase internal storage

Lollipop does not allow the external card to be used as internal storage and even so, if the memory card becomes corrupt or fails, you lose everything.
You can't even recover what's in the internal storage.
That was once I read it on a forum

It's possible to enable adoptable storage on the Note4 by flashing adoptable_storage_enabler_ashyx.zip .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forum....patch-adoptable-storage-enabler-t3460478/amp/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/search/thread/3460478?query=Note 4

Theres also possible to partition the external sd card with a rooted Note 4 by use of Link2SD and App2SD. Its been a long time since I did this but I believe one partition is Fat32 and the other ExFat or possibly f2fs. Its best done on Lollipop. You could even make a third partition for 1Gb simulated ram . The simulated ram will reduce the life experience of you external sd and I didn't find much benefit with it anyway. You'll also need an app called Foulder Mount.