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Porting Dalvik to Lollipop

I wonder if someone could port dalvik over to Lollipop, as a stop gap until xposed is ported to ART
btw is xposed open source?

Im not gonna say its not possible... But its gonna be extremely difficult, and I don't think any devs are going to hop on anytime soon. Especially because it won't make Xposed work, since it's as much the SELinux restrictions as it is ART.

ya thats totally gonna be easier, porting an entire runtime to an operating system that doesnt even support it instead of porting an app.

Dalvik has been ported to other os's, lollipop is just a version bumb of android. On kitkat you could switch between the 2, i doubt that code is gone...

This is stupid

jawz101 said:
This is stupid
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Well... That's a bit rude, but I must agree that this is something that would not be worth the effort.

jawz101 said:
This is stupid
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Necessary? At all?

This is equivalent to saying why don't we port a 1991 Toyota Camry engine into a Ferrari just so we can get easier oil changes.

BTT8 said:
This is equivalent to saying why don't we port a 1991 Toyota Camry engine into a Ferrari just so we can get easier oil changes.
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more like a celica. Dalvik has been ported to many other platforms and os's, so it should be relatively easy to port dalvik to lollipop. @rovo89 might not be able to make xposed compatible with art for many more months but in the mean time we could still enjoy most of lollipop but with xposed. I don't think the performance difference, if we can get the qualcomm optimized versions to run, to be significantly different.

Sorry if I offended but I'm really not sorry.
ART, SELinux enforced and device encryption on by default are what make Android L what it is. Any option that cripples any one of those things isn't what you want. I'd just keep those things in mind. If something comes along that works within those constraints (Cydia Substrate/XPosed) I'd respect the work because it would be the elegant solution.
I respect @rovo89 's stance so if he didn't say one more word about Android L I'd understand.
The best thing we users can do is leave it alone so some inspired developer can have a shower thought that is a good compromise.
I'd just think anything else would be a KitKat that looks like a Lollipop.

people really need to just let xposed for lollipop go. Seriously, it will get here when it gets here, making 1000 threads asking for "stop gaps" and time frames isnt going to make it come sooner. Either chill on kitkat for the time being, or chill on lollipop without xposed. those are your only two options. rovo even said that its likely to take months to port, if he ports it at all. Its been a week, id say check back in january

I understand why some are saying just wait or why do that its just a stop gap but Android is open source, there has to be commits that have notes as to when dalvik was removed. ART has been an option in KitKat. Android can switch between the two. Maybe even having possibly both running at the same time so new apps built just for ART continue working. If developers look through the changes to Android from KitKat to Lollipop, they could take what was removed and add it back in. Maybe it won't be that simple but Android is open source, when Windows lost its start menu, third party developers could put it back in. Others made their own variation of it that was different but there were ways of putting the Windows 7 start menu back in on Windows 8. I know the two aren't the same but everything Android is made of is available online for public use. Look right before it was taken out, take that, and put it right back in and make some changes for Android to see that. And yes Dalvik has been ported to other platforms, if Windows Phone eventually runs Android apps or its been experimented on internally, they ported Davlik too.
Considering that with the Surface for example people wanted Win32 support for Windows RT, even though they knew WinRT apps were the future, they still did it and we could run .NET apps on the desktop. Sure it was an old runtime but it was a mature runtime. Again we really don't know if xposed will make it to the ART runtime...

On Samsung phones, SELinux is enforced already long time (since 4.3, IIRC). And it was changed to permissive or even completely disabled (as i did on my device). Thus, it's not a problem at all. Encrypting the storage is not a mandatory thing as well and can be disabled as well.
Actually, i see a real demand of dalvik on Android 5.0. All these security things are not deal-breaker. Having a root and talking about security is a lame, IMHO.
The only real thing to sacrifice is the ART. Well, at least you will be able to choose between XPosed versatility and ART speed.
Actually, i'm running Android 4.4.2 without ART and don't see any special need of ART.
For those who are using current devices, it's easy to stay on 4.4 and continue to use XPosed. But for future devices with Android 5.0 out of the box, there won't be a chance to use XPosed without such dalvik port.
I think, it won't be so hard to port the dalvik to 5.0, since it's just couple of libs/binaries. At least for AOSP. With may be some more work for OEM ROMs.

godutch said:
I wonder if someone could port dalvik over to Lollipop, as a stop gap until xposed is ported to ART
btw is xposed open source?
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sorry to see that instead of an exchange of info you get treated rudely by some who think they swollowed wisdom with a spoon
here is my answer:
the idea itself is IMO not stupid at all, albeit i think like others that it will probably be easier to make xposed work on LP. why ?
a) rovo89 already had a trial version on art about 10 months ago, so i do not believe that it will be impossible to port XF to ART
b) selinux can be set to permissive with an app as well as kernel side, as simple as that, and should this be necessary and the choice of some, no problem
c) i stick to KK until either XP will come to LP or most of the keyfeatures i want under all circumstances will be available through other means, partly they are already.
d) i don't know if it's open source, you will probably have to search a bit
i believe that there are 2 big question marks behind the question whether we shall get XF for LP:
1) if the dev has time and energy ( is motivated ) to go there
2) for which devices it will be available, because for some reasons you can get from his various statements it will certainly not be as cross-rom as it was before LP
"1)" was answered by rovo89 with a tendency to a no, but that can change, "2)" is not predictable but most probably the closer to vanilla android the higher the chance that it will be compatible if ever
as i said, i shall stick to kitkat for many reasons, want dark UI, want by app dpi settings like earlier PA-ROMs had and app settings is doing for me. for the rest there are apps and mods mostly so and
the only thing which i don't like compromises is UI-Appearance, wasted space, ugly colors and chaotic animations and pop-ups. so let's see, keep watching regularly and there is still hope. should you have specific needs which you now use xposed modules for, search for apps and mods with the same or similar effects. mostly one can get or make a flashable zip for mods so to flash them with nightlies like i do by now with the xposed installer and a few helpers which have to be system apps, no problem.
the fact that many things are possible to get with other means might even be an obstacle for xposed to be ported to LP, it's not so that xposed does a lot which cannot be had by other means, just that it's so easy and cross rom, cross oem etc. i hope that is a useful input for you and feel free to pm me because i will not further follow this thread, last but not least because of the general tone and attitude of some individuals.

sionicion said:
I understand why some are saying just wait or why do that its just a stop gap but Android is open source, there has to be commits that have notes as to when dalvik was removed. ART has been an option in KitKat. Android can switch between the two. Maybe even having possibly both running at the same time so new apps built just for ART continue working. If developers look through the changes to Android from KitKat to Lollipop, they could take what was removed and add it back in. Maybe it won't be that simple but Android is open source, when Windows lost its start menu, third party developers could put it back in. Others made their own variation of it that was different but there were ways of putting the Windows 7 start menu back in on Windows 8. I know the two aren't the same but everything Android is made of is available online for public use. Look right before it was taken out, take that, and put it right back in and make some changes for Android to see that. And yes Dalvik has been ported to other platforms, if Windows Phone eventually runs Android apps or its been experimented on internally, they ported Davlik too.
Considering that with the Surface for example people wanted Win32 support for Windows RT, even though they knew WinRT apps were the future, they still did it and we could run .NET apps on the desktop. Sure it was an old runtime but it was a mature runtime. Again we really don't know if xposed will make it to the ART runtime...
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Its not just ART that is the issue. 5.0 has many new security features that block its use. You have have to revert alot of the entire OS to work with Delvic. Just like ART caused issues with the OS when it was still being worked on.
And not completely as for Android being open source. AOSP is open source (Which Google doesnt push all the code to, You can see this with many of the apps in 5.0 The messaging app is not in AOSP as an example) but not everything android does from Google is not open source. Only the kernel is fully open under the GPL. The rest is under the apache license.

sorg said:
On Samsung phones, SELinux is enforced already long time (since 4.3, IIRC). And it was changed to permissive or even completely disabled (as i did on my device). Thus, it's not a problem at all. Encrypting the storage is not a mandatory thing as well and can be disabled as well.
Actually, i see a real demand of dalvik on Android 5.0. All these security things are not deal-breaker. Having a root and talking about security is a lame, IMHO.
The only real thing to sacrifice is the ART. Well, at least you will be able to choose between XPosed versatility and ART speed.
Actually, i'm running Android 4.4.2 without ART and don't see any special need of ART.
For those who are using current devices, it's easy to stay on 4.4 and continue to use XPosed. But for future devices with Android 5.0 out of the box, there won't be a chance to use XPosed without such dalvik port.
I think, it won't be so hard to port the dalvik to 5.0, since it's just couple of libs/binaries. At least for AOSP. With may be some more work for OEM ROMs.
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if it isnt hard than why dont you do it?
you already seem to know more about dalvik than anyone posting in this thread, please save all new devices running 5.0.1 and port dalvik to 5.0.1
seriously whats so hard about people waiting for xposed to be ported if it ever gets ported, and if it doesnt, who cares, just install a custom rom, thats how it was done before xposed was even created

luigi90210 said:
if it isnt hard than why dont you do it?
you already seem to know more about dalvik than anyone posting in this thread, please save all new devices running 5.0.1 and port dalvik to 5.0.1
seriously whats so hard about people waiting for xposed to be ported if it ever gets ported, and if it doesnt, who cares, just install a custom rom, thats how it was done before xposed was even created
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None of device i use got Android 5.0. So, it's hard to port without having it yet, isn't?
Reading rovo89 posts, i'm not so optimistic about it happen at all. Actually, i'm not depend much of XPosed (and i'm happy that i didn't move all my custom ROM patches to XPosed). Only one security module i've wrote is very important and vital for me and potential deal-breaker from migrating to 5.0. Actually i can rewrite it to patches which is not so elegant solution but a real solution. When Samsung will release 5.0 (or i will buy a new device), i will check all possibilities.
Actually, i have an idea for system similar to XPosed. May be it's not so elegant as XPosed, but it's 100% compatible with 5.0.
Anyway, i'm waiting for 5.0 first.

sorg said:
None of device i use got Android 5.0. So, it's hard to port without having it yet, isn't?
Reading rovo89 posts, i'm not so optimistic about it happen at all. Actually, i'm not depend much of XPosed (and i'm happy that i didn't move all my custom ROM patches to XPosed). Only one security module i've wrote is very important and vital for me and potential deal-breaker from migrating to 5.0. Actually i can rewrite it to patches which is not so elegant solution but a real solution. When Samsung will release 5.0 (or i will buy a new device), i will check all possibilities.
Actually, i have an idea for system similar to XPosed. May be it's not so elegant as XPosed, but it's 100% compatible with 5.0.
Anyway, i'm waiting for 5.0 first.
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well if xposed dies than it dies, i really think people should either way for it to be ported or just let it die, threads like these are annoying, pointless, and do absolutely nothing to further porting xposed to android L

luigi90210 said:
well if xposed dies than it dies, i really think people should either way for it to be ported or just let it die, threads like these are annoying, pointless, and do absolutely nothing to further porting xposed to android L
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Then you've misused this topic. This topic is about dalvik for Lollipop, not about porting XPosed.

sorg said:
Then you've misused this topic. This topic is about dalvik for Lollipop, not about porting XPosed.
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which someone wants to do because they dont have xposed
like i said, if you want to port dalvik to lollipop than do it since you think its so easy, if you are confident in your knowledge why not get a tester with a lollipop phone or better yet buy a used nexus 4 to work on, that has lolllipop and runs about $100 used

Upgrade to lollipop poll

Given the fact that Xposed does not work on art how will that affect your decision to upgrade to Android L?
Comments should include lots of beer for Rovo89.

Due to xprivacy needing xposed it's the only thing that makes me still use kitkat..
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Aren't "no" and "I will wait until Xposed works with ART" the same answer? If you won't upgrade without Xposed ("No"), that seems to imply you would upgrade if it works with ART.
I'm willing to wait, there are a few Xposed mods I really care about like Xposed call block, full use of Greenify, MinMinLock and RootCloak, and others I could probably learn to live without but still find convenient like Chrome New Tab, CrappaLinks, Play Store link in App info, PlayPermissionsExpoxed, Statusbar Scroll to Top, and Swype Tweaks.
I upgraded my Nexus 7 to Lollipop (on Purity ROM) without Xposed, but I don't use that daily like my phone, so on that I'm wiling to wait, and even stay on KitKat indefinitely.

I can stick with KK for many more years.... Until Xposed come for LP, I WIL NOT have LP... Simple...
Perhaps it's just me, but, I'm also still on win7, until...

You may stick with KK and Xposed for years, but devs probably no. They would slowly abandon their modules, if Xposed framework development stopped.

Nah I will wait. There isn't single feature in Lollipop that isn't in KitKat.

I've been holding out, but just last night I decided to try out CM12 through MultiRom and now I'm completely torn.
On one hand, I have my beloved Xposed modules which add awesome functionality as well as some fantastic visuals (Flat Style Keyboard is the most difficult to give up...) and on the other hand is the absolutely beautiful experience of using Lollipop. I hadn't used it first-hand until now, and I was honestly blown away, and still am after using the rom all day today. Everything is just so much smoother and feels like it is working the way it should. I feel that with material design, Android finally stands up to iOS in terms of visual appeal, fluidness, and consistency.
*sigh* I suppose I'll find myself switching off between the two roms for a while, unable to choose one.

Still on 4.4.4, cause xposed isn't compatible with lollipop yet :-/
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...upgrade to Android L? ...lots of beer for Rovo89.
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Rovo developes Xposed for other reason, not beer, not money. Let us hope he still has reason strong enough to open up ART so Xposed modules will work on Lollipop.
Point of clarification: "Android L" is an early version of Lollipop. Since then, we have seen Android 5.0, Android 5.0.1, and the latest is Android 5.0.2, which is the only Lollipop I have tried. After trying it for about 2 days, I went back because I felt need for my Xposed modules. But, after only a few hours off Lollipop, I went back to it! And then, began finding work arounds for missing features. ART is so smooth and responsive, and Lollipop has a great new recent apps switcher 'Rolodex' that is wonderfully fluid, useful, and fun. I love these and other things Lollipop brings. Found ways to deal with all desired features. Even Xprivacy issues have work arounds, thanks to App Ops in CM-12. None the less, while using and enjoying Lollipop, I am keeping up hope that Rovo brings Xposed to ART.

using CM12 without xposed

Please, that is exactly the reason why the dev have no motivation to spend energy in this project any more.
No question, exposed is a revolutionary mod for android geeks like us.
Don't put pressure on the dev!
Thanks for attention

Still on KitKat. Mainly because it allows me to continue maintaining and supporting my xposed modules.
Would be too uncomfortable to switch ROMs everytime I need to test stuff.

I decided to pull the plug on kitkat and upgrade my exynos S5. I'm definitely missing the xposed experience on my phone. Starting from the full use of greenify ( especially wake-up tracker and cutoff) to all the small tweaks and quirks we're doing to our UI, and the whole OS.
It made me not take for granted the huge amount of work put into the framework itself, and the work put in by the devs of all the modules that we use daily. Huge thanks to all the developers out there and I hope one day we will have a working version of the xposed framework for the new Android iteration.
I'm on my way to make a donation to the xposed framework Dev and I encourage others to do so too.

Plan on staying with KitKat unless I decide to switch to Cyanogen. Being on a Note 3 I kinda have mixed feelings missing some S-Pen functionality.

I had to make the jump, at least temporarily. . Definitely missing some things, but nothing I can't live without.

I've upgraded to Lollipop several times now, but have reverted to KitKat each time. Not specifically because of the XPosed incompatibility, although that affected my decision. Mostly because the ROM I'm using now on my i9300 has so much extra functionality. Secondarily, Lollipop simply isn't giving me the battery life I've been getting on the KitKat I'm using--and that's something I find very important in a ROM.
That being said, again today I've tried a newer version of what's billed as one of the better Lollipop ROMs for my set; we'll see if I stay with it.
I only have one XPosed module that I use, and it's visual, so...although I miss it, I can live without it.

Yep still on kitkit cm11, mostly because of xposed and XMG compatibility not present on cm12. stupid ART!
i would like to hit over to android 5, for the fact that call sound actually works with latest Google Play Services... but its a minor setback sticking with kitkat... not like i get called enough that it bothers me much, #foreveralone :crying:
still sucks that i cant use most gapps cause of this =/ (i restored factory version, which doesn't self update)
ah well will have to wait a few months to see the progress of xposed and xmg ART runtime compatibility

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I decided to pull the plug on kitkat and upgrade my exynos S5. I'm definitely missing the xposed experience on my phone. Starting from the full use of greenify ( especially wake-up tracker and cutoff) to all the small tweaks and quirks we're doing to our UI, and the whole OS.
It made me not take for granted the huge amount of work put into the framework itself, and the work put in by the devs of all the modules that we use daily. Huge thanks to all the developers out there and I hope one day we will have a working version of the xposed framework for the new Android iteration.
I'm on my way to make a donation to the xposed framework Dev and I encourage others to do so too.
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What about the hard work of developers who've been toiling away hard on the Lollipop ROMs bringing you various mods without xposed?

Kryten2k35 said:
What about the hard work of developers who've been toiling away hard on the Lollipop ROMs bringing you various mods without xposed?
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I'm modifying my own system files for lollipop. As an IT engineer I know my way around how Linux/Unix systems work, and have a bit of programming language background.
I was solely referring that we should support what we are using (as I used xposed and decided to support it into further development), but I'm not using any other "mods" from other developers.
Unlike the vast majority of Android users, I buy all my software.
But I believe that the users should support the work of their devs, or if you're developing something, I hope your users will support whatever it is you're working on (I've seen you have clearly taken offense)

No offense taken

Xposed Style Framework for Lollipop on closed Beta

http://www.landofdroid.com/2015/xposed-style-framework-for-lollipop-in-beta-testing/
Former VillainROM ROM developer HomerSp with a little help from Villain lead Nathan Russell have put together their own framework to work with Lollipop which is currently codenamed ElPollo. Development is still at an early stage but the framework does install and a couple of test modules are also working.
This is a Great News for us, i'm pretty excited to use Xposed On Art, but i Think he should work with @rovo89 to bring us a Xposed Support for ART instead of create a new Framework.

When people wanted to help rovo89, he disagreed (he told about his own concept and he would not share what he had). So I can't see any reason to work on such project. Own style framework is better solution in this case since "new devs" can fully control it and not wait for rovo whether he will do something next week, next month, or never.

Maybe @rovo89 and @Tungstwenty might consider helping out on this new development

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Maybe @rovo89 and @Tungstwenty might consider helping out on this new development
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Let's hope so

Man I would like to be a beta tester.
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Good. If they can release it before Xposed then I'm willing to try it out.

Blackbird256 said:
Good. If they can release it before Xposed then I'm willing to try it out.
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You will have to wait a lot more while it has all those modules like Xposed

Mikanoshi said:
You will have to wait a lot more while it has all those modules like Xposed
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Umm what? Are you implying Xposed on lollipop would be able to use old modules. Haha good one. I mostly use GB, App Settings and Youtube AdAway anyway so I don't need the niche ones.
Also I said try it not use it as my main

I think maybe will be easy to port Xposed modules to this framework, should not be much difference between two (at least I hope for it)

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Umm what? Are you implying Xposed on lollipop would be able to use old modules. Haha good one.
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Are you implying it wouldn't? Explain. Xposed modules use Xposed Helper methods, they execute code before/after or instead of hooked methods, it doesn't matter how Xposed Framework handles the replacements.
Modules will require updates to match Lollipop code, it's minor changes, Xposed API should stay the same.

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Are you implying it wouldn't? Explain. Xposed modules use Xposed Helper methods, they execute code before/after or instead of hooked methods, it doesn't matter how Xposed Framework handles the replacements.
Modules will require updates to match Lollipop code, it's minor changes, Xposed API should stay the same.
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Somehow I doubt that backward compatibility will work as easily as you think especially not for something as complex as GravityBox. Unless you forgot some modules are still OS dependant and ROM dependant like TouchWiz/Sense etc. Calling it now that everything will need to be redone from the scratch unless it's something trivial that only switches some variables.

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Unless you forgot some modules are still OS dependant and ROM dependant like TouchWiz/Sense etc. Calling it now that everything will need to be redone from the scratch unless it's something trivial that only switches some variables.
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I'm a Sense Toolbox dev, so I know how modules are dependent) It won't be from scratch at all, especially on Sense, because it's still Sense 6.
Moving from Sense 5 4.2 to Sense 6 4.3/4.4 was a big change, but even that broke only half of the mods.

Rovo89 said that Xposed API will be the same. So, for example, all modules that change the functionality of an app will work instantly on Lollipop (because the app is the same). If the module changes some system parameters, obviously it will have to change, but not because of Xposed, the API will be the same, but because of Lollipop.

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Rovo89 said that Xposed API will be the same. So, for example, all modules that change the functionality of an app will work instantly on Lollipop (because the app is the same). If the module changes some system parameters, obviously it will have to change, but not because of Xposed, the API will be the same, but because of Lollipop.
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Yeah what I mean are system changes that L will break.

The main reason I have not upgraded to Lolipop is because of the lack or no Xposed support.
If @rovo89 does not wish to share his work and let us help him, then just thank him for the past work he has put out, some truly amazing work in the past.. But I seriously doubt he will put out Xposed for Android 5.0. For what ever reason he can't put in the time, I think its great that other developers are logging in hours to produce something similar.. Something worth donating some money for..
@rovo89 you are a top notch developer, but if you don't have the time or resources, just pass what you have to the next guy.. Don't ruin it for everyone else.. If not, let the new guys do their own thing..
I'd say something more derogatory, but I'm biting my tongue.

Zaphodspeaks said:
The main reason I have not upgraded to Lolipop is because of the lack or no Xposed support.
If @rovo89 does not wish to share his work and let us help him, then just thank him for the past work he has put out, some truly amazing work in the past.. But I seriously doubt he will put out Xposed for Android 5.0. For what ever reason he can't put in the time, I think its great that other developers are logging in hours to produce something similar.. Something worth donating some money for..
@rovo89 you are a top notch developer, but if you don't have the time or resources, just pass what you have to the next guy.. Don't ruin it for everyone else.. If not, let the new guys do their own thing..
I'd say something more derogatory, but I'm biting my tongue.
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+1 same reason which prevented me upgrade to Lollipop. Xposed helped us in everyway. I would like to donate if the work continued to Lollipop.

Me too, trying to use Lollipop without the Xposed, but I have 15+ modules, with different functionality (can't list all), so it's was hard, then I go back to KK, wishing hard to work on lollipop

Yes, clear message from rovo89 is needed.

Didn't think he will say anything about this

He already gave a clear message.
He will work on it at his own pace and won't publish anything until he feels it's ready for other actual contributors to help. He also said he wouldn't be giving progress updates and not to bug him about it at all.
I don't think it gets any clearer than that honestly. Seeing some people posting about "biting their tongue" and holding back derogatory remarks confirms why he has taken that stance. He owes nobody anything, least of all constant updates on work he's doing to benefit others for free.
Also, let's be honest here, most people complaining about him not sharing his work in progress wouldn't be capable of contributing anything anyway. If they were, they would already be working on it by themselves. The source is right there on his GitHub. Have at it.
Let's just be happy that a possible viable alternative is being worked on and not turn yet another thread into complaining that rovo isn't working on Xposed fast enough and he should hurry up.
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[PSA] [WARNING] rovo89 does NOT encourage the use of Xposed on Nougat

https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/230#issuecomment-316560803
His official and technical stance on this.

Wait other 9 month to his release then..

bill_kevin said:
Wait other 9 month to his release then..
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9 months? First N build appeared last August, so more like 11 and very close to an entire year have passed.
At his pace, it will probably take years, and to be honest I don't expect him releasing anything else anymore (I'd be gratefully surprised).

riahc3 said:
https://github.com/rovo89/Xposed/issues/230#issuecomment-316560803
His official and technical stance on this.
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I respect Rovo, but ppl should do what ever they want in a opensource environment.
Even though he point out all the issues and technical details to call it a hack (i call it a fork though) i failure to see the harm of ppl to use it.

i dont think people should be discouraged to try the unofficial build..
after all its their own device to try.. and its the risk they decide to take (though i suspect many of them do not know enough to realise that)..
but, they should be warned..
i would view the statement from rovo89 a kind of disclaimer, so that those blind idiots (i dont mean all those who try are, but undoubtedly a handful among them are eligible candidates) would be alerted who not to blame after running into trouble..

I tried Xposed with Android N and I can tell you that a lot doesn't work. Everything keeps crashing all the time, at least for me. You should not be surprised when your ROM keeps failing everywhere. I use my phone on daily basis so for me it was a no go, but still always test just out of curiosity I always make a backup and test for fun so I can go back to my stable build

It sounds funny that @rovo89 is discouraging people from using that Xposed Nougat fork due to its "reliability", being Xposed itself not as reliable as everyone wants - at least its installation, there's always that risk of bricking the phone.
I mean, everyone here respects @rovo89 for his work on Xposed, but I think people installing that fork know they're playing at their own risk: it hasn't @rovo89's quality check, it is not an official release, it's unstable...
Yes, people should be warned, it's nice from him to remind that to that fork's developers, but don't discourage people for doing what they want. After all, that's how they got to Xposed in the first place. And he should remember that if he's having a hard time on getting ready Xposed for Nougat, is because Google is discouraging all things that are supposed to be a risk for our phones - that includes Xposed Framework.

by the time the first xposed was launched i installed it
my phone got 1/10th of it's performance
I had to press it 3 times to unlock once
I had to download a new app to answer the phone
almost all updates bricked my phone
some settings from modules bricked it too
and it was my daily driver
and I didn't stop
I know, out there that there are a lot of persons willing to do sacrifices like me
this release is for us

Hm. To be honest, I somehow didn't believe in Xposed for Nougat anymore. Maybe Xposed is really done with after Marshmallow and we simply have to accept that.

Sörnäinen said:
Hm. To be honest, I somehow didn't believe in Xposed for Nougat anymore. Maybe Xposed is really done with after Marshmallow and we simply have to accept that.
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How is it done if it has a alpha for N?

I dunno when rovo89 release his xposed nougat or when he can fix all the bugs
But , If you , a noob , cant build xposed or make commit in github by yourself , then enjoy unofficial build by ErnyTech .
It is really stable . No bugs found . No crashes apps . No random reboot .
Almost bugs fixed
His build is a really good choice for you while wait for rovo89 official nougat build

I understand, that rovo89 is not happy about an unstable buggy version of Xposed for Nougat. This is comprehensible, because he's a perfectionist, but it also leads to problems. He doesn't accept somebodys help.
Don't get me wrong, rovo89 deserves so much respect for creating Xposed, such an awesome piece of software! But because of his perfectionism, it takes so long until an official release of Xposed for a new Android version, but the people want it now. Even though this sounds ungrateful, the consequence is, that other capable developers give a try on their own unofficial builds, this is comprehensible.
We already had such a case back in the time of Android Lollipop. Android 5.1 Lollipop was released for some time, but there was only an official Xposed for 5.0 Lollipop. So romracer came along and released an unofficial Xposed for Lollipop 5.1, which was very stable. So the people used it and loved it.
rovo89 doesn't want to incur liabilities, that's OK. But he's also very reticent, too reticent in my opinion. Maybe he should accept help and not blame others for unofficial releases.
These are just my thoughts about the situation.

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How is it done if it has a alpha for N?
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Read Rovo89's statement.
It doesn't seem a project he has any time for, and the alpha versions right now seem mighty unstable and lacking months of work.
I am happily proven wrong.

Sörnäinen said:
Read Rovo89's statement.
It doesn't seem a project he has any time for, and the alpha versions right now seem mighty unstable and lacking months of work.
I am happily proven wrong.
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Any alpha is unstable, but it's working but need heavy polish.
As Rovo work.. i understand he doesen't have the time anymore.. but the forks are there to eventualy replace it if Rovo just can't have the time anymore.

Pupet_Master said:
Any alpha is unstable, but it's working but need heavy polish.
As Rovo work.. i understand he doesen't have the time anymore.. but the forks are there to eventualy replace it if Rovo just can't have the time anymore.
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Exactly.
I don't think it will happen, but if rovo89 doesn't have time or motivation anymore, the whole Xposed project maybe could fade over to the community.

Bounty for Xposed on Pie

I'm putting up a $1000 bounty right now for Xposed on Pie (have a Pixel 3) in the next 2 months.
If someone knows where I can deposit that in escrow, let me know. Otherwise it's here and sitting to be grabbed.
Don't know if it will help but it's a carrot on a stick to start

Awesome, I'm adding another 25 dollars

chrisf8657 said:
I'm putting up a $1000 bounty right now for Xposed on Pie (have a Pixel 3) in the next 2 months.
If someone knows where I can deposit that in escrow, let me know. Otherwise it's here and sitting to be grabbed.
Don't know if it will help but it's a carrot on a stick to start
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maxsteelvishak said:
Awesome, I'm adding another 25 dollars
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I'm broke so I can't donate all that much but for those that can, here's the official Xposed donation link. Hopefully it's okay with @rovo89 for me to post this.

chrisf8657 said:
I'm putting up a $1000 bounty right now for Xposed on Pie (have a Pixel 3) in the next 2 months.
If someone knows where I can deposit that in escrow, let me know. Otherwise it's here and sitting to be grabbed.
Don't know if it will help but it's a carrot on a stick to start
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Go here
https://www.bountysource.com/

You know that the code for Xposed for Oreo has not been published right? Bounty is not going to change anything because no one will write Xposed for Pie from scratch. Nobody except rovo89 can do something about it unless he publishes the source code. It would be better to contact him, check if he is still on it and then donate to him directly.

buddy66 said:
You know that the code for Xposed for Oreo has not been published right? Bounty is not going to change anything because no one will write Xposed for Pie from scratch. Nobody except rovo89 can do something about it unless he publishes the source code. It would be better to contact him, check if he is still on it and then donate to him directly.
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He does not have the time. He that that money is not the issue. Better would be if he releases the code.

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He does not have the time. He that that money is not the issue. Better would be if he releases the code.
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He won't release the code, because the last time he did (for M), romracer and others built a half-assed version for N (which HELPED port all modules to N before the official release). He wants total control and this is not only meaning that Xposed is dead unless he returns full motivated, it also means that the latest releases sources are not available and who knows if rovo sold the mod to some malware deliver company (I believe and hope not, but this is just an scenario), which could use xposed as a malware rootkit (it has potential).
I mean, in the end, rovo has no time/motivation for this project and doesn't want to share it, so we're better off asuming it is dead forever.

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He won't release the code, because the last time he did (for M), romracer and others built a half-assed version for N (which HELPED port all modules to N before the official release). He wants total control and this is not only meaning that Xposed is dead unless he returns full motivated, it also means that the latest releases sources are not available and who knows if rovo sold the mod to some malware deliver company (I believe and hope not, but this is just an scenario), which could use xposed as a malware rootkit (it has potential).
I mean, in the end, rovo has no time/motivation for this project and doesn't want to share it, so we're better off asuming it is dead forever.
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All i know is that most moved on already. The only module i miss on my main phone is Kmod

@Pupet_Master is right imo! Only the "hardest" of the harcore users of android still want xposed.
People learned to live without it and the reality is that devs are losing interest in mantaining support for the "nevercoming" updates.
Dont get me wrong, I think that xposed gave kitkat, lollipop and marshmallow a much richer experience and performance, but after nougat, android itself started to implement thoose missing features so xposed started to be pointless, at least for me.

littlejonny17 said:
@Pupet_Master is right imo! Only the "hardest" of the harcore users of android still want xposed.
People learned to live without it and the reality is that devs are losing interest in mantaining support for the "nevercoming" updates.
Dont get me wrong, I think that xposed gave kitkat, lollipop and marshmallow a much richer experience and performance, but after nougat, android itself started to implement thoose missing features so xposed started to be pointless, at least for me.
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It is not about features. I could do without every module except xprivacylua. I won't ever use Android without it. We clould try to gather a huge bounty to get somebody create something from scratch.
I would also donate at least 150$.

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It is not about features. I could do without every module except xprivacylua. I won't ever use Android without it. We clould try to gather a huge bounty to get somebody create something from scratch.
I would also donate at least 150$.
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I guess you do not have confidence in the apps that you have installed on your phone but yeah, maybe that's the most valid excuse for using xposed.

littlejonny17 said:
I guess you do not have confidence in the apps that you have installed on your phone but yeah, maybe that's the most valid excuse for using xposed.
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It is also a principle thing. These days you shouldn't trust anyone that has the possibility to collect data.

HyperCriSiS said:
It is not about features. I could do without every module except xprivacylua. I won't ever use Android without it. We clould try to gather a huge bounty to get somebody create something from scratch.
I would also donate at least 150$.
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Sorry but i don't get the logic of that.
First, bounty will mean nothing if the modules devs already moved on. 2nd let's face it, bounty also means nothing of no one is in touch with the only person that can make it happen, Rovo.
Also, custom ROMs do almost everything that Xposed used to do now days. Not to mention that Xposed isn't perfect. It allow modules to expand the framework of android, how ever, it bog down the performance.
There is an app called Wakeblock that do everything that an Xposed module would do but is stand alone. I see the old devs from Xposed modules moving on to this sort of thing.
I still, to be honest, don't get the logic of need Xposed and never use android without it if you literary miss no module from it except one that any LOS ROM based already do by default.

Any news on Xposed Pie, I'm missing great modules like exi, edge etc. I think I should downgrade to oreo
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I'm not going to donate that money as one poster posted, it's a bounty. Gets paid when someone does the job and claims it , but according to much more knowledgeable posters no source is available.
The only thing I miss is the gravity box tweaks. I'm rooted so any alternatives?
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I have many xposed modules that I can hardly live without. Instant face unlock is the one I used the most.

There is one thing that is impossible with Magisk, to the best of my knowledge, that is critical for me: Setting device locale (language) on a per-app basis. No, changing it before launching and then switching back on close is not an option. No, setting multiple locales does nothing useful, pretty much no apps use this feature, and especially the ones I need it for do not.
And no, custom roms can't do that either, and Google has been ignoring numerous requests to do that for a decade, because they discriminate against multilingual people, since multilingual people are not a nationality, which apparently makes it okay.

Ed Xposed can be used on Pie.Although some modules have compatibility issues. Link: https://github.com/solohsu/EdXposed

magisk does not have xposed module ?

chrisf8657 said:
I'm not going to donate that money as one poster posted, it's a bounty. Gets paid when someone does the job and claims it , but according to much more knowledgeable posters no source is available.
The only thing I miss is the gravity box tweaks. I'm rooted so any alternatives?
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Have you?
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