I always loved flashing different ROMs for my phone, that's the reason I'm always buying nexus line.
Now with this pre order fiasco, do you think the development scene will be as good as the nexus 5?
Firstly, it's much more expensive, lesser people would want to brick their new phone.
Then there's not many who manage to buy it, if there's no developers, it would not be a popular phone as the nexus 5 to build ROMs for.
What you think? Did Google kill off the third party development scene?
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I always loved flashing different ROMs for my phone, that's the reason I'm always buying nexus line.
Now with this pre order fiasco, do you think the development scene will be as good as the nexus 5?
Firstly, it's much more expensive, lesser people would want to brick their new phone.
Then there's not many who manage to buy it, if there's no developers, it would not be a popular phone as the nexus 5 to build ROMs for.
What you think? Did Google kill off the third party development scene?
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Well, there was't many people getting the first patch of Nexus 5 last year either.
And there will always be the second round, and the third.
There could be more development as vzw and att have the phone and they traditionally have had locked bootloaders....
I will expect custom ROMS to arrive quite quickly to be honest........
Actually i did not have any problems buying my nexus 5. And I'm in the first batch
But isn't the development an international effort?
Most of the developers i know does not comes from the US
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Its both and most development is international for nexus but it doesnt matter as the phone is the same .... locked bootloaders on devices means that people will start migrating to nexus or dev edition like note 4 on vzw ...,
I think you're getting ahead of yourself here, and asking if google killed off the development scene is pretty ridiculous. The phone isn't even out yet. There was no "fiasco"... they sold out of their initial preorder stock, oh noes! We all knew it was gonna happen. It's not like they won't be widely available in a short amount of time. It's a Nexus device, there will be plenty of development. The only cheap Nexus phones were the N4 and N5, the rest all had premium price tags and there was plenty of development for all of them. Just sit back, wait for the phone to actually come out, and I promise from the bottom of my wittle heart, development will pick up.
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I think you're getting ahead of yourself here, and asking if google killed off the development scene is pretty ridiculous. The phone isn't even out yet. There was no "fiasco"... they sold out of their initial preorder stock, oh noes! We all knew it was gonna happen. It's not like they won't be widely available in a short amount of time. It's a Nexus device, there will be plenty of development. The only cheap Nexus phones were the N4 and N5, the rest all had premium price tags and there was plenty of development for all of them. Just sit back, wait for the phone to actually come out, and I promise from the bottom of my wittle heart, development will pick up.
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Heh, maybe i'm thinking too much.
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Heh, maybe i'm thinking too much.
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It's not just you, bud... EVERYBODY is. I'm pretty sure my neck is sprained from shaking my head so much at all the things people have been whining about. Everybody needs to just chill out.
Just look at the dev sections for previous Nexus devices, GNex, N4, N5...........some of the most active development on XDA.
Lack of development will NOT be an issue for this device.
Nexus6 and XDA development go hand in hand!
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Its both and most development is international for nexus but it doesnt matter as the phone is the same .... locked bootloaders on devices means that people will start migrating to nexus or dev edition like note 4 on vzw ...,
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The Nexus 6 will have a locked bootloader[emoji56]
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The Nexus 6 will have a locked bootloader[emoji56]
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The nexus 5 had/has a locked bootloader out of the box.
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The nexus 5 had/has a locked bootloader out of the box.
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And its very easy to unlock...
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There is a very big difference between locked bootloader for nexus and one on say the vzw note 4 ....the nexus unlocked by "fastboot oem unlock" but bootloaders on lg some samsung phones etc are locked and encrypted ie usually very hard to unlock if at all. ..
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There is a very big difference between locked bootloader for nexus and one on say the vzw note 4 ....the nexus unlocked by "fastboot oem unlock" but bootloaders on lg some samsung phones etc are locked and encrypted ie usually very hard to unlock if at all. ..
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I know.. Hence the[emoji56] . its still something the casual user should understand.. Good explanation for everyone else ?
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I know.. Hence the[emoji56] . its still something the casual user should understand.. Good explanation for everyone else ?
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I still can't see the emoji56 that's why i explained lol
If you follow the nexus line. The pre order is always like this. I had first batch in n5 and development was still quick. Especially with lollipop, I will get used to it and before you know it I will be flashing.
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This must be your first nexus device and first time in the scene (so I will hope). Stop over thinking it
No just head over and look at the M8 development forum. There's plenty of development there. And regardless Id still be scared of bricking a $350 phone as much as a $600 phone
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I've had the N7 for less than a day and I'm head over heels in love with it. My next phone will be a Nexus for sure.
Useless thread but I just had to share the love.
If everyone bought Nexus devices because of the prompt updates, it would kick other manufacturers into investing in larger software development teams to deliver updates ontime.
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I've had the N7 for less than a day and I'm head over heels in love with it. My next phone will be a Nexus for sure.
Useless thread but I just had to share the love.
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As long as there is a choice I will always go for a Nexus, can't be bothered with manufacturers' customisations and carrier restrictions. Whether the Nexus or similar concept will go on indefinitely is another matter.
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Whether the Nexus or similar concept will go on indefinitely is another matter.
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Any reason why it wouldn't? Aren't they supposed to come out with multiple Nexus phones sometime at the end of this year?
Many people have felt this way for a while now. Welcome to the club! I laugh at people when i get asked "are you getting the galaxy s3?" I did make the mistake of getting the Verizon nexus, but i paid the etf and bought the gsm unlocked nexus. Now I'm back to our Google and my n7 is on its way. Google shipped it yesterday!
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Any reason why it wouldn't? Aren't they supposed to come out with multiple Nexus phones sometime at the end of this year?
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If profits at Google fall at some point they may take resources away from the hardware side and concentrate on the software side. Wouldn't like to see that happen but can't be discounted.
If, as seems likely, the Nexus 7 becomes the top-selling Android tablet other manufacturers may decide to withdraw from the sector as they can't compete against a company using consumable sales profits in the Play Store to effectively subsidise their manufacturing costs. Alternatively there could be some form of unfair competition or monopoly complaint. Hope not but wouldn't rule it out.
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I've had the N7 for less than a day and I'm head over heels in love with it. My next phone will be a Nexus for sure.
Useless thread but I just had to share the love.
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seriously.. you really make me envy.. i hope i could have it soon enough..
That it runs stock standard un-bastardised Android is almost at the top of my list of benefits beaten only by screen quality and weight.
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I've had the N7 for less than a day and I'm head over heels in love with it. My next phone will be a Nexus for sure.
Useless thread but I just had to share the love.
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Lol I love this little device solo much that I bought a Mifi and am gonna try to use this as my phone replacement along with Google voice
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Same here I'll never get another android phone besides the next nexus... I bought a Galaxy Note and it took Samsung almost 5months to get ICS which to me is still buggy as hell. I'm Glad I kept my Galaxy
Nexus... I took my gnex out of the box just because of jelly bean, the thing is like a brand new phone! So I had no choice to get the matching tablet!
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I feel the same way now. I'd like to get one that works with my VZW account but I don't trust buying one through VZW.
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That it runs stock standard un-bastardised Android is almost at the top of my list of benefits beaten only by screen quality and weight.
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Amen to that brotha. I'm loving the nexus7 stock android, and the next phone will be a Gnex.
this kind of posts kinda urges me to buy m7 immediately even more..
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Lol I love this little device solo much that I bought a Mifi and am gonna try to use this as my phone replacement along with Google voice
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So... You are gonna use a 7 inch device as a phone? Kinda extreme
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My first super phone was the Atrix 4g waited forever for gingerbread.... was super extra pissed ! Flushed it down the toilet purchased a gsm nexus now life is goooooooooood!
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I've had the N7 for less than a day and I'm head over heels in love with it. My next phone will be a Nexus for sure.
Useless thread but I just had to share the love.
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Seriously, thank you for this.
I was worried when I first came on the Nexus sub-forum, that there was a lot of negativity and issues. And granted there are bad experiences with every first run of any product.... but this is the first phone/media device purchase that I have actually been fairly content with it out of the box. My phone (Samsung Vibrant) I have gotten tired the last few months of flashing it weekly since I bought it.
Of course, I am bound to run into things, but I felt the same way clankfu
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Many people have felt this way for a while now. Welcome to the club! I laugh at people when i get asked "are you getting the galaxy s3?" I did make the mistake of getting the Verizon nexus, but i paid the etf and bought the gsm unlocked nexus. Now I'm back to our Google and my n7 is on its way. Google shipped it yesterday!
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Housry! Sup buddy? Haven't seen you since the Evo 3D days (or cm7 nightmares). I had the Verizon Nexus and loved the hell out of it. I have the GSIII now and also love it. Got my N7 yesterday and love that too lol.
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The solution for the OEMS is to keep stock jellybean! To differentiate, include new or different hardware or form factor etc. Then put exclusive apps or features that don't require a change of the system. You could have the play store check for something unique to allow the product download or something. That way there would be no problem keeping it current.
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The solution for the OEMS is to keep stock jellybean! To differentiate, include new or different hardware or form factor etc. Then put exclusive apps or features that don't require a change of the system. You could have the play store check for something unique to allow the product download or something. That way there would be no problem keeping it current.
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I don't see why HTC couldn't do that with their HTC Sense. It's essentially a launcher.
Anyone consider going over to the HTC One? I think that phone is gorgeous. It used to be that you wanted the Nexus device because you could get the latest Android OS the fastest but if you use a ROM it doesnt matter anymore.
Just wondering if anyone else has considered the leap.
Re: N4 -> HTC One?
If you don't want to unlock and root, go for it.
That's the reason why I left the one x
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Let me tell you... There were official jb Roms when I was on ICS on my one x. I couldn't jump onto it cause only certain cids were able to hop onto it. This god damn locked boot loader is even more of an fun blocker. Oh and the fact that if you decide to relock your device it will say "re-lock" in boot loader. Oh and the fact that you have to enter fastboot flash boot boot.IMG... Want me to go on? I didn't wanna but they update so slowlyyyyy.
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Well, there are developer phones being released with unlocked SIMs and Bootloaders out of the box. Thats obviously the version I would consider.
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Well, there are developer phones being released with unlocked SIMs and Bootloaders out of the box. Thats obviously the version I would consider.
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I'm assuming they cost a lot more than buying one under contract? I wouldn't pay any more than what this n4 cost me. $599+ for a no contract phone, what a joke.
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I'm assuming they cost a lot more than buying one under contract? I wouldn't pay any more than what this n4 cost me. $599+ for a no contract phone, what a joke.
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I have no speculation as to the cost of it. I have typically bought my phones off contract anyway so paying $600 is normal for me. The fact that the N4 was so inexpensive was just a treat. I never really expected to pay that little for a phone off contract again.
Suppose with the rumors of the N5 swirling around maybe I should just wait it out until November again. Damn, I just get bored too quickly.
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Well, there are developer phones being released with unlocked SIMs and Bootloaders out of the box. Thats obviously the version I would consider.
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Forgot about that.. Meh..
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shadehh said:
Forgot about that.. Meh..
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Well, that settles it for me.
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Yea if you get bored fast.. Expect a new HTC flagship 6 months from the One.. Then you'll be upset.
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Not "upgrading" not worth it to shell out $600+ for a small bump in specs. I wouldn't even consider the non dev version
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Yea if you get bored fast.. Expect a new HTC flagship 6 months from the One.. Then you'll be upset.
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From what Ive been reading, this will be their only flagship phone this year. That being said, 6 months from now I'd be looking at the N5 anyway, so just in time. I average about 6 months between phones anyway.
HTC is getting killed by Samsung and Apple, i`am afraid they will not survive on the log run. Now they have serious delays in producing the casings and the camera components and a limited marketing budget. Samsung will go full steam ahead and are allready producing at 110% and marketing will kick in globaly when the actual delivery`s take place. RIP HTC.
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From what Ive been reading, this will be their only flagship phone this year. That being said, 6 months from now I'd be looking at the N5 anyway, so just in time. I average about 6 months between phones anyway.
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I personally wouldn't.. But I would keep my nexus 4 until the new nexus. I refuse to go back to htc with their stupid locks
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From my experience the HTC phones have terrible quality control issues. I've had to replace my Evo 3D the times before I had to settle with a decent one which had a long piece of lint behind the glass of the camera.
Looks like the One X was also plagued with issues as well. There's no telling what issues will be present since they're going with a whole different tech this time with their aluminum design.
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If you've got the cash to shell out, I don't see why not.
The HTC One is a damn nice phone and I see no downsides to it. I say get it and let us know how you like it!
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Anyone consider going over to the HTC One? I think that phone is gorgeous. It used to be that you wanted the Nexus device because you could get the latest Android OS the fastest but if you use a ROM it doesnt matter anymore.
Just wondering if anyone else has considered the leap.
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But if you're going to pay all that money to throw AOSP On it what's the point
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But if you're going to pay all that money to throw AOSP On it what's the point
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I love the phone design.
I have a Nexus 4, and an HTC One dummy phone.
They both feel very well crafted, both in their own way. One knock I have against HTC is their software. I've never really liked sense. The Blink Feed thing looks gimmicky. But, the One does have a better camera, and probably better battery life.
If you need a decent camera and you don't mind delayed updates, go with the One. I might purchase a One, but more than likely I'll stick with my Nexus 4 until the Nexus 5 is released.
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That's what they said when I bought my one x.. Only to find about about the one x+, droid DNA, and butterfly in between and now one
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Anyone consider going over to the HTC One? I think that phone is gorgeous. It used to be that you wanted the Nexus device because you could get the latest Android OS the fastest but if you use a ROM it doesnt matter anymore.
Just wondering if anyone else has considered the leap.
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Even with the "ROMS" you're still not getting what you get with an official Google build. There are parts of it that just have to be hacked around with until they mostly work with whatever aosp they're likely based off of(think all of the proprietary kernel BLOBs...) while Google probably either has access to the latest binaries or even source(never really looked yet as the n4 is my first actual "Google"(kinda) device...).
i.e. a nexus build SHOULD just work, while your ROM may or may not just work or might blow up at just the wrong moment(unlikely mostly, but still wouldn't really surprise me).
As to hopping to a new phone?! R u mad?! I just got the n4, and will stay with it until the next nexus is released probably, given that I'm in for cases, holsters, Qi charger, etc. and the One or even S4 just aren't "better" enough to be tempting at all, although I do sorely miss a uSD slot. (WTF?! HTH can a uSD be complicated/confusing when you have to damned well install a uSIM?! Also kinda missing a replaceable batt, esp with GPS apps which just SUCK batt like nobodies business...(I blame the enlightened for that...))
Few things I want to get straight, I in no way shape or form tampered with this device. I am an AT&T employee and came across this while setting a customer up with his new S5. This is how it came brand new sealed out of the box. Also, I understand the photo is blurry. This is due to the fact that the screen did not stay up long. I snapped as fast as I could before I had to take it back because it was actually extremely buggy and kept freezing. Just felt the need to to share with the guys. Looks like some are being missed in the lock down lol.
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Few things I want to get straight, I in no way shape or form tampered with this device. I am an AT&T employee and came across this while setting a customer up with his new S5. This is how it came brand new sealed out of the box. Also, I understand the photo is blurry. This is due to the fact that the screen did not stay up long. I snapped as fast as I could before I had to take it back because it was actually extremely buggy and kept freezing. Just felt the need to to share with the guys. Looks like some are being missed in the lock down lol.
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Can you tell what software version its running?
That doesn't mean the bootloader is unlocked. It simply means that the devices scanning utility (SysScope it was called on the S4) detected a change to a file. In the case of the phone you had, it sounds like it was probably do to a faulty board or failing software in a bad unit. The S4s are known to show "custom" for absolutely no reason at all or because of something on the SD card. It usually reverted back to official after a couple of reboots. I'm not trying to be confrontational by asking this, but how can you be an AT&T employee and not know this? Like I said, this question is not a personal attack, but I am wondering if AT&T gives any training on how these devices work in real life and not just on the shelf. Either way, I promise you the bootloader is still locked on that device. The unlocked symbol and custom have nothing at all to do with the bootloader.
Mine shows that also
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Mine shows that also
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Me too. Still not exactly sure what it means unless it's the developer options being enabled.
Edit: Just checked and it's not the developer options...and mine doesn't have the unlock icon anymore actually. I think scott14719 is probably right.
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Me too. Still not exactly sure what it means unless it's the developer options being enabled.
Edit: Just checked and it's not the developer options...and mine doesn't have the unlock icon anymore actually. I think scott14719 is probably right.
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I'm right. If you want more information about it you can search the AT&T S4 forum for relevant threads. There really is a lot of information about it that might answer a lot of potential questions.
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That doesn't mean the bootloader is unlocked. It simply means that the devices scanning utility (SysScope it was called on the S4) detected a change to a file. In the case of the phone you had, it sounds like it was probably do to a faulty board or failing software in a bad unit. The S4s are known to show "custom" for absolutely no reason at all or because of something on the SD card. It usually reverted back to official after a couple of reboots. I'm not trying to be confrontational by asking this, but how can you be an AT&T employee and not know this? Like I said, this question is not a personal attack, but I am wondering if AT&T gives any training on how these devices work in real life and not just on the shelf. Either way, I promise you the bootloader is still locked on that device. The unlocked symbol and custom have nothing at all to do with the bootloader.
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AT&T provides training that is optional for new devices, but there is an article released with relevant information to sell the phone. They do not train employees to check bootloaders, for root, for knox warranty, etc. None of my coworkers know what a bootloader is or what it means to be locked or unlocked. Edit: No training provided by AT&T mentions root, jailbreak, bootloaders, etc etc.
To be on topic, after I switched to ART, the Custom unlocked pad came up, when I switched back to Dalvik, the Custom unlocked padlock went away.
I am also an AT&T COR store employee and none of my coworkers know about that kinda stuff. Not a lick of training is given on that.
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I'll try not to take offense to that....lol. No AT&T does no training for these things. And to be honest with you I am usually pretty knowledgeable when it comes to these things. I have been out of the Samsung scene for a while ( Due to me using my more developer friendly Nexus 5 or my new HTC One M8) so I am now unfamiliar with how these devices handle certain things. I have yet to do anything like change my runtime on the device do to the fact that it only made minor performance changes to my Nexus 5. If I would have I probably would have gotten the same boot screen and then eventually thought nothing of it. Just had a little moment of excitement while on the job lol.
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I'll try not to take offense to that....lol. No AT&T does no training for these things. And to be honest with you I am usually pretty knowledgeable when it comes to these things. I have been out of the Samsung scene for a while ( Due to me using my more developer friendly Nexus 5 or my new HTC One M8) so I am now unfamiliar with how these devices handle certain things. I have yet to do anything like change my runtime on the device do to the fact that it only made minor performance changes to my Nexus 5. If I would have I probably would have gotten the same boot screen and then eventually thought nothing of it. Just had a little moment of excitement while on the job lol.
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Definitely no offence intended. I just wish AT&T, Bestbuys, etc... would do a better job of training the people that they expect to sell these devices. Most people don't know the everyday quirks of most devices unless they are given an oppertunity to learn about them.
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Definitely no offence intended. I just wish AT&T, Bestbuys, etc... would do a better job of training the people that they expect to sell these devices. Most people don't know the everyday quirks of most devices unless they are given an oppertunity to learn about them.
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Careful what you wish for!! Last thing I need is someone checking whether my Knox has been tripped or my bootloader unlocked when I do a return :laugh:
As AT&T employees you better get ahold of some higher ups, and let them know they are going to lose lots of customers due to the lock down on their bootloaders of their devices. Many people are ready to switch.
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As AT&T employees you better get ahold of some higher ups, and let them know they are going to lose lots of customers due to the lock down on their bootloaders of their devices. Many people are ready to switch.
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they don't care and anything this guy says will most likely anything this guy says will be ignored
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they don't care and anything this guy says will most likely anything this guy says will be ignored
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Seems to me they should care, they could lose 100's if not 1000's over the next 4 years.
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Seems to me they should care, they could lose 100's if not 1000's over the next 4 years.
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But in the grand scheme of things 100 to thousands isn't that big of a loss. for an example with the s5 I can almost guarantee we are just a small subset of s5 owners the largest portion will never know what root is or have any idea what to do with it. The money they take from the larger portion will cover the expected returns from the 1% who are upset and or mad that they locked the BL.
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But in the grand scheme of things 100 to thousands isn't that big of a loss. for an example with the s5 I can almost guarantee we are just a small subset of s5 owners the largest portion will never know what root is or have any idea what to do with it. The money they take from the larger portion will cover the expected returns from the 1% who are upset and or mad that they locked the BL.
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Your right partially but grand scheme of things = all of their devices that are locked not just s5's. I am just saying that, they are always seeming to pull more customers in with new deals so gaining customers is important to them. So not losing customers should also be important in the same aspect no matter what the percentage is. If they don't care then shame on them.
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Your right partially but grand scheme of things = all of their devices that are locked not just s5's. I am just saying that, they are always seeming to pull more customers in with new deals so gaining customers is important to them. So not losing customers should also be important in the same aspect no matter what the percentage is. If they don't care then shame on them.
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They would love to get everyone 100% satisfied but realistically its impossible so they shoot for the highest number of satisfied people
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No they won't. Who are they going to switch to? Tmobile? Tmobile will be locking down their bootloader as soon as they get the chance. Only reason why they haven't already is because they need as many customers as they can get. Same reason they kept downloader booster...even though they can't afford to keep it. Not to mention, the average user doesn't give a crap about bootloaders or download boosters.
I got the custom message after applying ART.
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But in the grand scheme of things 100 to thousands isn't that big of a loss. for an example with the s5 I can almost guarantee we are just a small subset of s5 owners the largest portion will never know what root is or have any idea what to do with it. The money they take from the larger portion will cover the expected returns from the 1% who are upset and or mad that they locked the BL.
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You are right I seen an older couple at the att store buying both s5's and it looked like they did not know anything about root. Etc. They are buying the device because of its features and camera. Not saying older people don't mess with the bootloader or anything.
MOTO X SLAPPED
I will not state the obvious with the exception of this: If you can not root a device much less install a custom recovery, development essentially means absolutely nothing to you.. In this case what is the new definition of open source? "Open source" made android what is today.
All opinions from different perpectives are welcome--but please mind your Ps and Qs.
Thanks....
EDIT: I firmly believe that xda members must be patient. However, there must also be a realistic reckoning. That is to say--hypothetically speaking--if it takes five years to create an exploit, for all practical purposes one could consider that bootloader impregnable considering the exponential pace of technological advancement. So, if one is measured in their assessment and comments, it is closer to the truth and a heck of a lot more useful to talk in terms of "X" device has a bootloader that can not be unlocked. If for example the S4 is "cracked" say--three years from now, will anyone care? Will development restart? Finally, like with any choice, it's up to the individual to decide what can be considered "hard locked." For me, I guessed that the S4 would be leaked an unlock after the S5 came to market. Obviously my reasoning was wrong. At any rate, my ship has sailed--I can be patient no more.
But remember here we are assuming for the sake of a discussion that these bootloaders will not be exploited and if that is the case will that spread to the point that US development dies on the vine.
I thought unlockable bootloaders WERE promoting US development. The T-Mobile S5 subforum is buzzing, and it's crickets around here. It's these locked bootloaders that cause some frustration.
LoSt180 said:
I thought unlockable bootloaders WERE promoting US development. The T-Mobile S5 subforum is buzzing, and it's crickets around here. It's these locked bootloaders that cause some frustration.
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I think your right about T mobile. But they come with bootloaders that allow rooting and Installation of a custom recovery (I.e. unlocked).. When I say unlockable I am refering to carriers like At&t and Verizon. Take a look at their forums--you can almost hear crickets! As they are "locking down" one might wonder if it will spread especially as a carrier attains its target market share through promotions and even merger.
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I think your right about T mobile. But they come with bootloaders that allow rooting and Installation of a custom recovery (I.e. unlocked).. When I say unlockable I am refering to carriers like At&t and Verizon. Take a look at their forums--you can almost hear crickets! As they are "locking down" one might wonder if it will spread especially as a carrier attains its target market share through promotions and even merger.
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T-Mobile is unlockable the HTC One M8 is unlockable, AT&T and Verizon S5 variants are not unlockable - we can't unlock them.
Not being able to unlock the bootloader, I believe is going to end development, at least for AT&T and Verizon. If I had the cash, I probably would've went with the T-mobile version, but I'm not rich like that LOL
As it was said by a mod in another thread, giving hopes to users that the AT&T/Verizon's S5 will get root anytime soon is just unfair for the users. It will not happen. The AT&T Note 3 got root when in 4.3, but there is no root in the horizon for KitKat don't even think about an unlocked bootloader. The same happened to the S4 after it was updated the bootloader and root is now lost and that has been for many, many months and on a phone that it had a very large development. Developers are not even bothering on wasting their time on AT&T/Verizon because there is the TMO and International versions available.
So to answer the original question my answer would be Yes.
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As it was said by a mod in another thread, givit helpsng hopes to users that the AT&T/Verizon's S5 will get root anytime soon is just unfair for the users. It will not happen. The AT&T Note 3 got root when in 4.3, but there is no root in the horizon for KitKat don't even think about an unlocked bootloader. The same happened to the S4 after it was updated the bootloader and root is now lost and that has been for many, many months and on a phone that it had a very large development. Developers are not even bothering on wasting their time on AT&T/Verizon because there is the TMO and International versions available.
So to answer the original question my answer would be Yes.
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I couldn't agree more. I think it's good you emphasize the truth as I helps newer people understand.
eortizr said:
As it was said by a mod in another thread, giving hopes to users that the AT&T/Verizon's S5 will get root anytime soon is just unfair for the users. It will not happen. The AT&T Note 3 got root when in 4.3, but there is no root in the horizon for KitKat don't even think about an unlocked bootloader. The same happened to the S4 after it was updated the bootloader and root is now lost and that has been for many, many months and on a phone that it had a very large development. Developers are not even bothering on wasting their time on AT&T/Verizon because there is the TMO and International versions available.
So to answer the original question my answer would be Yes.
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There is a fine line between giving false hope and nurturing fears, saying "It will not happen" is not necesarily true, it may not happen, but then again remember some who waited for a year to get root or those with iphones who waited for a year to jailbreak.
just my opinion is all.
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There is a fine line between giving false hope and nurturing fears, saying "It will not happen" is not necesarily true, it may not happen, but then again remember some who waited for a year to get root or those with iphones who waited for a year to jailbreak.
just my opinion is all.
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Agreed, when I said 'it will not happen' i was referring to the 'anytime soon' statement.
I agree that saying "it's coming soon" is probably not the best phrase to use. However, to say it will never happen is just as bad. It simply did not and has not happened as fast as we want it to. There is always someone smarter when it comes to computers and software. I am sure the devs have a life outside of hacking a phone for us and everyone needs to be patient. Plus the fact with the Knox security, I am sure the devs want to find all possible work arounds. Just my opinion though...
Sent from my AT&T Samsung Galaxy S5.
What I've come to realize in my years of owning Android devices and reading these posts on xda is that virtually nothing is impossible. However, that is a double-edged sword meaning that the manufacturers have had to step up their collective games to make it even harder for exploits to be found. AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses. I can understand that to a point. However, I would gladly pay AT&T and even sign a waiver to let ME take the risk solely upon myself to do what I would like with MY phone. It's idiots that ruin it for the rest of us. Such as the world, I guess. Just my two cents.
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I love to use custom Roms etc.However when you buy a phone, buy it for what it is not for what you want it to be later on. The fact that there is no root is what keeps me using my GS4 more than this phone but the S5 is a solid Device, has great battery life (for me at least) and gets everything I need done. Its a matter of being patient especially for any who own the 4 and know how Samsung and ATT locked the previous iteration of this phone.
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What I've come to realize in my years of owning Android devices and reading these posts on xda is that virtually nothing is impossible. However, that is a double-edged sword meaning that the manufacturers have had to step up their collective games to make it even harder for exploits to be found. AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses. I can understand that to a point. However, I would gladly pay AT&T and even sign a waiver to let ME take the risk solely upon myself to do what I would like with MY phone. It's idiots that ruin it for the rest of us. Such as the world, I guess. Just my two cents.
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Please explain how these so-called "idiots" are the reason AT&T and Verizon "had" to lock down the devices. I don't understand.
AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses.
I think I kinda explained it right there.
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AT&T and Verizon are protecting themselves from the idiots who don't know what they're doing and brick their devices or get them infected with viruses.
I think I kinda explained it right there.
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Yes - I get that statement. But, how are they protecting themselves. That is, how are they harmed by these "idiots?" Further, if one were to extrapolate users from population, roughly 96% of mobile phone users in the world don't seem to pose a significant problem to thier carriers as it is only the NA carriers that do this ("hard" lock the bootloader). Then, futher hone that to say maybe 1.5%, at the most, US users root their phones. Then narrow further by device. If these numbers are even close--how many of these "idiots" are there. You've been around long enough to know some of the so-called "idiots" were accomplished developers. I do not want to argue with you. I am genuinely intetested in why you see it this way.
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Not being able to unlock the bootloader, I believe is going to end development, at least for AT&T and Verizon. If I had the cash, I probably would've went with the T-mobile version, but I'm not rich like that LOL
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Have you checked into the buyout and trade in promotions T Mobile has? Maybe you can switch with little or no pain. Lol
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Have you checked into the buyout and trade in promotions T Mobile has? Maybe you can switch with little or no pain. Lol
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I'm so god damn sick of this OTA sh... I was at work and it rebooted and started installing by itself. I tried to pop the battery but no matter what I do it continues the installation.
I'm moving to T-Mobile. Thanks ATT!
I'm sorry my off-the-cuff remark has gotten out of hand. The idiots to whom I am referring are the ones who brick their phones or get them infected by lack of knowledge and then try to blame the carrier instead of taking the responsibility themselves. As a precaution, I can see AT&T locking their devices down in an attempt to prevent that from happening. I understand it's a small number of people that cause this or are even affected by this, but by doing so, AT&T can better control their integrity. Same reason why a bag of peanuts sometimes says "Caution: Contains nuts." C.Y.A.
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I'm sorry my off-the-cuff remark has gotten out of hand. The idiots to who. I am referring are the ones who brick their phones or get thefected by lack of knowledge and then try to blame the carrier instead of taking the responsibility themselves. As a precaution, I can see AT&T locking their devices down in an attempt to prevent that from happening. I understand it's a small number of people that cause this or are even affected by this, but by doing so, AT&T can better control their integrity. Same reason why a bag of peanuts sometimes says "Caution: Contains nuts." C.Y.A.
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It's cool. Posts are often taken wrong or worded differently than someone else is used to talking. I see your point. It makes sense. I may be a little too jaded (to put it nicely) to let them off the hook that easily though. Lol.
After my purchase of the new Samsung galaxy s5 on AT&T I will state that this will be my last carrier specific purchase,
My girlfriend has the HTC M8 (I had one also but hated the freaking pics from the camera).
This was another example of lesson learned, I will from now on purchase nexus devices or not locked to a carrier specific devices, or Google play edition devices from now on.
No more jumping the gun paying full retail to get phones on release day screw that. Lesson has been learned here for sure.
I am thinking on sending my Galaxy S5 into http://www.maxback.com and then purchasing a nexus 5, then later this year when the new nexus is available,I can pick one of them up.. But im kind of stuck as I love the camera on the s5.... this is what is holding me up...
Sure we and disable the bloatware on the Samsung and all that fun stuff, but there is a world of difference when all those items are gone
Thanks to the awesome developers here on XDA making some kickass roms for us.
I run the kingkat on my girlfriends HTC m8 from the HTC forums and it is so much faster with all of the bloatware and features she was never going to use gone.. that m8 is night and day in speed difference and usability..
Bottom line If we are here we have the mindset to tinker and to tinker on these devices WE need to stop buying locked down phones..
Been seeking questions and looking for answers and wondering if anyone is even alive on here anymore.
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Been seeking questions and looking for answers and wondering if anyone is even alive on here anymore.
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Yes!
This forum is still active!
Please be polite. [emoji4]
I'm quote polite... Just had a question about the nexus 6 to see if it's was worth buying still?
RussianSolja said:
I'm quote polite... Just had a question about the nexus 6 to see if it's was worth buying still?
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at the prices that its available for nowadays, its VERY MUCH worth it. as it still butts heads with the best of ths smartphones
and i think that i remember you, either from the g1 or nexus one..
Until another 6inch AMOLED phone comes along, I'm never giving up my n6.
Eh, I love my Nexus 6 for many reasons, but honestly, I got an lg g flex 2 for a really good deal and switched back to a "carrier phone" and man, as far as processors, night and day difference. Now I haven't really run into the overheat thing that plagues the sd810. But day to day things, even just restating my device is snappier. The only thing I will say, not having access to update whenever I want (at least when google gives us factory images) sucks big time. I forgot how bad it is to wait on carriers/manufacturers
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and i think that i remember you, either from the g1 or nexus one..
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I know I remember him. We both had, or have in my case, the Dell Streak. Just to briefly reminisce, more than a few of us loved that device to the point we swore we'd never go back to anything with a smaller screen. Keep in mind that this is 2010-2011, when the average screen was between 3 and 3-1/2 inches. In 2011 5-inch screens weren't common and unlocked devices sold directly by the manufacturer were unheard of. The Streak had both, but poor marketing and flawed expectations on Dell's part helped kill it.
Take a look at the development pages... It's a Nexus! There's still work on the GNexus
tApPeD fROM mY nExUs 6
All. Rom developers waiting for official N firmware to upgrade their Roms . After that all Roms will be active.