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Should Samsung ditch touchwiz?

No doubt Android L will becoming to the S5 sometime nearer Christmas, but should they ditch touchwiz in favor of a more stock looking android and give you the option to download things you want ie the camera software, or even a touchwiz launcher should you wish to use it.
Basically making it more like how Motorola works with the Moto X ect.
That way those of us that want a more stock looking setup will be happy as we be able to choose what we want to install, plus it would make it alot better when it comes to updates as won't have to wait nearly as long as we have to do now when a new version or update is released.
Should Samsung go this route, i think it make google happy if they did.

ixon2001 said:
No doubt Android L will becoming to the S5 sometime nearer Christmas, but should they ditch touchwiz in favor of a more stock looking android and give you the option to download things you want ie the camera software, or even a touchwiz launcher should you wish to use it.
Basically making it more like how Motorola works with the Moto X ect.
That way those of us that want a more stock looking setup will be happy as we be able to choose what we want to install, plus it would make it alot better when it comes to updates as won't have to wait nearly as long as we have to do now when a new version or update is released.
Should Samsung go this route, i think it make google happy if they did.
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Don`t think thats going to happen i think. They will maybe restyle TW more and make it even flatter and neutral but they will keep adding the features/gimmicks because they think it adds value to android. And thats allright if users only had the option to turn off these features they don`t need that would add real value for most of us.

I don't think Samsung should completely ditch their skin and added software, but they should at least remove some of the useless features and tone it down a little bit. Also a new name would be nice. Touchwiz just sounds awful, I've never been a fan of it.

I come from Sense 5 and I don't dislike touchwiz, it's far better than stock and I don't think Samsung will leave it

As said above as long as you remove it, it's fine. I've always been on Nova Launcher

We must consider Terrain Home as alternative! It's not bad :cyclops:

It won't happen.
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IMHO I like TW. But I've installed solo launcher which is I can switch the launcher anytime.

ixon2001 said:
No doubt Android L will becoming to the S5 sometime nearer Christmas, but should they ditch touchwiz in favor of a more stock looking android and give you the option to download things you want ie the camera software, or even a touchwiz launcher should you wish to use it.
Basically making it more like how Motorola works with the Moto X ect.
That way those of us that want a more stock looking setup will be happy as we be able to choose what we want to install, plus it would make it alot better when it comes to updates as won't have to wait nearly as long as we have to do now when a new version or update is released.
Should Samsung go this route, i think it make google happy if they did.
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Nope, diversity is a good thing a Google stated more than once that it likes what OEMs do with Android.
And no, you can't choose between stock camera and TW camera, "skins" are more like completely different versions of Android.
Plus we all know that what delays updates more is the crap carriers throw on users' heads.

xaznxplaya said:
As said above as long as you remove it, it's fine. I've always been on Nova Launcher
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Touchwiz is not just a launcher though. I think touchwiz gets a rough ride due to its past history. I posted a similar post today. Touchwiz used to be bad back in the days of s1. Now though it's actually quite good. It adds a lot of useful features, a lot of which are what effectively makes an s5 an s5.
Remove it and you just have a glorified Nexus. In my opinion if that's what you want you should juts save money and buy one instead of buying Samsung
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Goldie said:
Touchwiz is not just a launcher though. I think touchwiz gets a rough ride due to its past history. I posted a similar post today. Touchwiz used to be bad back in the days of s1. Now though it's actually quite good. It adds a lot of useful features, a lot of which are what effectively makes an s5 an s5.
Remove it and you just have a glorified Nexus. In my opinion if that's what you want you should juts save money and buy one instead of buying Samsung
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Agreed but TouchWiz is still ugly though

Jonny said:
Agreed but TouchWiz is still ugly though
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The fact that you can't move the app button in the dock kills it for me. I have to resort to a third party launcher to get that functionality.

I hate touchwiz but this is obviously a very subjective subject.
I don't like the colours, or the way it sits heavily on top of what is the fastest, cleanest version of android (AOSP)
I personally don't use any touchwiz features either except from quick glance (which is actually more of a hassle than useful so I might just disable it) however I'm running alliance with all the other bloat disabled. I do however like allshare with the way it connects seamlessly to my (Sony!?) TV and suppose air view can be handy when scrobbing through video.
If stock android included allshare and air view I would be set!

No they shouldn't. It's what makes Samsung devices different from other devices, just like how Sense makes HTC devices different from other devices. If you don't like touchwiz, buy another device or flash another ROM or build your own ROM
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trevagreene said:
The fact that you can't move the app button in the dock kills it for me. I have to resort to a third party launcher to get that functionality.
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just flash another region's firmware.

Hellscythe said:
No they shouldn't. It's what makes Samsung devices different from other devices, just like how Sense makes HTC devices different from other devices. If you don't like touchwiz, buy another device or flash another ROM or build your own ROM
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just flash another region's firmware.
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yea, but that only allows the ability to change the icons in the dock, but not the actuall app draw icon in the dock. That is hard locked to the right.

Honestly they should give out the software as a factory thing, but make the stock AOSP available on their website with all the drivers and junk included. That way people who wanted the stock experience could have that, and people who wanted the TW experience could have that. It would honestly be the best of both worlds.

Sparatan117 said:
Honestly they should give out the software as a factory thing, but make the stock AOSP available on their website with all the drivers and junk included. That way people who wanted the stock experience could have that, and people who wanted the TW experience could have that. It would honestly be the best of both worlds.
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But why should they when there are other devices that come with AOSP?
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Because it's your device?
If you're going to sell a device to people, make it so they can do whatever they want with it. Don't tell them " here you go, now you can only do what we want you to do with it" like Apple. That's like saying " you can buy this horse, but you can only ride it with this saddle."... doesn't that seem inherently wrong?

No not when there is a stable full of similar horses with no saddles that people can pay a lot less to go and ride
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Sparatan117 said:
Because it's your device?
If you're going to sell a device to people, make it so they can do whatever they want with it. Don't tell them " here you go, now you can only do what we want you to do with it" like Apple. That's like saying " you can buy this horse, but you can only ride it with this saddle."... doesn't that seem inherently wrong?
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ya but samsung still has to warranty it, what if your custom software breaks the camera and because there are the drivers out there, you think your phone has a problem
samsung would have had to fix a mistake brought upon by yourself and samsung as a company can not do that, they need consistency, something that they can easily fix if its broken with software they know and approve of. its kind of like modifying a car, if you mod a car, you run the risk of losing warranty, if honda were to warranty cars that blew up because they were modified, honda would go out of business, its basically the same thing here

Living without Xposed...

Hi. I'm thinking of getting a Nexus 6. One thing I'm curious is how are people coping with not have Xposed modules. Are you depending on custom roms and themes to make up the difference? Currently on my Note Edge I use App Settings, Heads Up Notifications, Multiwindow plus. Notifly Clean, Swipeback and YouTube Adaway among others. For example App Settings really comes in handy for changing look of apps and such (can give more of a tablet UI). I'd especially like to hear from folks that heavily used Xposed in the past to get their impressions. Anyways, I might get a N6 or wait a bit more to see what comes out at CES. Thanks!

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Hi. I'm thinking of getting a Nexus 6. One thing I'm curious is how are people coping with not have Xposed modules. Are you depending on custom roms and themes to make up the difference? Currently on my Note Edge I use App Settings, Heads Up Notifications, Multiwindow plus. Notifly Clean, Swipeback and YouTube Adaway among others. For example App Settings really comes in handy for changing look of apps and such (can give more of a tablet UI). I'd especially like to hear from folks that heavily used Xposed in the past to get their impressions. Anyways, I might get a N6 or wait a bit more to see what comes out at CES. Thanks!
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I have adaway on my Nexus 6 and it works great. It's part of the LS ROM. The Nexus 6 is fine without xposed even after using it heavily on all of my other phones. If you want a tablet UI then you can change the DPI on your phone to 320 (560 is stock) and most people seen to like 460-480dpi. It's well worth the upgrade if you love to flash. Anything from CES (LG, ASUS, Samsung etc..) Won't have nearly as much development if any compared to a Nexus device. I like to flash ROM's and kernels so rather than deal with the hassle of unbricking a LG or Samsung with factory tools I can flash the stock ROM via fastbokt with my nexus easily. It's all up to what you plan to use the phone for. Any new phone debuting this year won't have xposed anyway because they will have lollipop

Your problem is not the Nexus 6, your problem is with Lollipop. Due time, Xposed will be made to work with ART.
Regardless of whatever phone you're using, if it has Lollipop, Xposed will not work.

Pilz said:
I have adaway on my Nexus 6 and it works great. It's part of the LS ROM. The Nexus 6 is fine without xposed even after using it heavily on all of my other phones. If you want a tablet UI then you can change the DPI on your phone to 320 (560 is stock) and most people seen to like 460-480dpi. It's well worth the upgrade if you love to flash. Anything from CES (LG, ASUS, Samsung etc..) Won't have nearly as much development if any compared to a Nexus device. I like to flash ROM's and kernels so rather than deal with the hassle of unbricking a LG or Samsung with factory tools I can flash the stock ROM via fastbokt with my nexus easily. It's all up to what you plan to use the phone for. Any new phone debuting this year won't have xposed anyway because they will have lollipop
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zephiK said:
Your problem is not the Nexus 6, your problem is with Lollipop. Due time, Xposed will be made to work with ART.
Regardless of whatever phone you're using, if it has Lollipop, Xposed will not work.
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Thanks for your replys. I was wondering if folks could change dpi on apps individually instead of globally.
Clearly lollipop is inevitable. I've tried a recently released developers version of lollipop on my former dd (Note 3) and it has some nice features plus some Note 4 multiwindow improvements. But I also missed my Xposed mods when using it. The main problem I'm having with the EDGE is that I'm not sure how much development will continune on it. Currently there are two very nice roms (I'm refering to tmobile here variant) but no custom kernels. So I guess I'm suffering from developer envy lol... CES should be interesting in that more devices should be introduced with 64 bit processors along with, perhaps some of the larger screen sony devices. At lest that is the hope!

AOSP ROM necessities

Ok. First I would like to say I personally do not own a Samsung galaxy s6/edge. However, I have played around with one at length at the T-Mobile store, and I can definitely say touchwiz still isn't for me. While I was there at T-Mobile I saw a nexus 6 on display and decided to take a look at it. I absolutely fell in love with it for 2 reasons. One, for the size. Two, stock android. The first one is not a deal breaker when it comes to the s6. However, I find stock android MUCH better than touchwiz. Now I understand that making an AOSP ROM for the s6 is hard because of the exynos processor and all, but I really love the physical design, camera, fingerprint sensor, and heart rate monitor. All of this being said WHEN an AOSP ROM starts to be made please contact me so I can put my input in the development for features and stuff.
Stuff that would be ABSOLUTELY necessary.
1. Fingerprint capabilities. (on lockscreen, google play account, and to open certain apps maybe??)
2. Basically stock touchwiz camera. (with double press Home button to get camera feature)
3. Integration of the heart rate sensor. (Just allow apps to use it)
4. Super Stock animations (like on the nexus)
5. A close all button for the multitasking window
Stuff that is optional
1. Certain features not present in AOSP (like keep awake while you are looking at the phone P.S. I forgot what Samsung called it)
2. Xposed Framework module "swipeback" integration (I love that feature in ios)
3. Rest is open to community suggestions. Go wild! just remember this is AOSP based and hopefully won't be too crazy. Performance
and "butter smoothness" are of the utmost importance.
Will get the s6/edge in either March or April (2015)

reyjkl said:
Ok. First I would like to say I personally do not own a Samsung galaxy s6/edge. However, I have played around with one at length at the T-Mobile store, and I can definitely say touchwiz still isn't for me. While I was there at T-Mobile I saw a nexus 6 on display and decided to take a look at it. I absolutely fell in love with it for 2 reasons. One, for the size. Two, stock android. The first one is not a deal breaker when it comes to the s6. However, I find stock android MUCH better than touchwiz. Now I understand that making an AOSP ROM for the s6 is hard because of the exynos processor and all, but I really love the physical design, camera, fingerprint sensor, and heart rate monitor. All of this being said WHEN an AOSP ROM starts to be made please contact me so I can put my input in the development for features and stuff.
Stuff that would be ABSOLUTELY necessary.
1. Fingerprint capabilities. (on lockscreen, google play account, and to open certain apps maybe??) - Not going to happen. Stock Android does not support biometric security yet and this is a secured element of the device.
2. Basically stock touchwiz camera. (with double press Home button to get camera feature) - Again, not going to happen. The TouchWiz camera is built heavily ontop of the Touchwiz framework and is almost impossible to port. An application for Xposed can enable any hardware key combo to access the cam.
3. Integration of the heart rate sensor. (Just allow apps to use it) - Unless Google Fit builds it in and the framework support is through there I dont expect this to happen.
4. Super Stock animations (like on the nexus) - ROM's can change this
5. A close all button for the multitasking window - CM and most AOSP built roms have this
Stuff that is optional
1. Certain features not present in AOSP (like keep awake while you are looking at the phone P.S. I forgot what Samsung called it) - There are apps that can enable this
2. Xposed Framework module "swipeback" integration (I love that feature in ios) - There are modules for this and apps that can help here
3. Rest is open to community suggestions. Go wild! just remember this is AOSP based and hopefully won't be too crazy. Performance and "butter smoothness" are of the utmost importance. - With the Exynos processor this may take some time since a lot of it is closed source
Will get the s6/edge in either March or April (2015)
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I dont want to burst your bubble since you are new, but that really isnt the way to go about asking for features in ROM's and no one is going to "contact you" when something is in development.
That being said I replied to your stuff in bold in the quote. That being said I highly doubt you will be satisfied with this device based on your demands and recommend looking for a device like the One Plus One or a Nexus that has a lot of what you want.

altimax98 said:
I dont want to burst your bubble since you are new, but that really isnt the way to go about asking for features in ROM's and no one is going to "contact you" when something is in development.
That being said I replied to your stuff in bold in the quote. That being said I highly doubt you will be satisfied with this device based on your demands and recommend looking for a device like the One Plus One or a Nexus that has a lot of what you want.
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+1
you'll have a LONG wait if you think a developer is going to contact you for input on a list of things that cant readily be included in a rom anyways..
plus, what makes you think a developer would want your input??????

The fingerprint scanner, heartrate monitor, etc.,. (samsung specific features/capabilities) can't be supported with AOSP ROMs.
Sorry.

altimax98 said:
I dont want to burst your bubble since you are new, but that really isnt the way to go about asking for features in ROM's and no one is going to "contact you" when something is in development.
That being said I replied to your stuff in bold in the quote. That being said I highly doubt you will be satisfied with this device based on your demands and recommend looking for a device like the One Plus One or a Nexus that has a lot of what you want.
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1. I do realize a lot of this stuff is not possible and might take a LONG time to develop.
2. You don't have to burst my bubble, I know it's unlikely. However, I was just feeling creative and wanted to put out my wishlist if all of this were possible
3. When I say AOSP, I really mean AOSP based. I thought incorporating the fingerprint sensor would be fairly easy? just create a few API's with Kernel??
4. I have no idea why I said "contact me" I must've been on something lol.
Thanks for the reply btw. Also too, I love the nexus 6 and I would take it over the one plus one any day. However, I will still give into the s6 cuz of da fingerprint and better processor.

Considering most of the things you are asking for will never happen, it is not matter of the "lenght'. i.e: the camera...this request been in demand since the gs3 (my first android device) I doubt it is going to change anytime soon.
Finger print for touchwiz is the same as camera for touchwiz...
Great way to provide inputs to by giving a "how" on how to do things for what you are requesting. Can always start a "how" in the development section for group projects when it become available for the s6.

reyjkl said:
just create a few API's with Kernel??
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Dude you gotta get these ideas out there... PM all the recognized devs on xda fast. This is way bigger than just the S6

incuvolta said:
Dude you gotta get these ideas out there... PM all the recognized devs on xda fast. This is way bigger than just the S6
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I'm guessing this is sarcasm but I usually can't get the sarcasm straight from context. Is it?

Yes Sheldon. It is sarcasm.

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Finalbrez said:
I'm considering buying a Galaxy S6. I've barely even used android, but I hate touchwiz already. I hate it for one main reason, the notification tray. I cannot stand that at all. I've looked into a some options for removing touchwiz, such as running an AOSP based rom, but that apparently isn't going to be supported for a while. Is there anyway to get the notification tray to look like a nexus device where a double swipe will get you the toggles? I am currently using an iPhone that has been jailbroken, and have been playing with the SDK. I don't really have a problem building AOSP from source, as long as its relatively simple. If it is not really possible for an AOSP rom to be built on my own, what would an eta be on a AOSP rom for it be?
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I don't know of any way to change the notification tray unless you install an AOSP ROM. Which doesn't exist right now. Change home launcher? Of course. Notification tray. Nope lol

Building AOSP from source would be a big challenge as Samsung is known for not providing proper documentation for its Exynos processors. This was the case till the last one, i.e. Exynos 5433. Not sure how it is now. Touchwiz provides a lot of theming options which changes the notification tray.
Please play with one of the phones at a store before considering buying it. Buying it to run AOSP ROMS might be a futile exercise as of now.

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Finalbrez said:
That's really going to be a deal breaker then. Sadly, it looks like I will be going for an older phone like the Note 4 or Nexus 6.
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while i love my S6...i sure do miss my Note 4. The lack of dev work (which i understand) is hurting my soul lol Not complaining...i cant make a ROM and i strictly rely on their work. I am grateful...but i am also an "addict" and need rom and mod options lol

The g3 broke my flashing addiction so thats no longer a issue for me but I still want to tweak the ui without heavy modding, Samsung us going to give us that option. They have a theming program that will support the s6 this summer. Maybe hold out until that is released and see what it can and cannot do before you commit to a device.

v2.2v said:
while i love my S6...i sure do miss my Note 4. The lack of dev work (which i understand) is hurting my soul lol Not complaining...i cant make a ROM and i strictly rely on their work. I am grateful...but i am also an "addict" and need rom and mod options lol
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As much as I love my S6 I do miss my Note as well. I got rid of it just as CM went official...
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Stock android

Hello
I have been looking for a stock rom for the note 8 and i haven't found any, i thought i would find a lineage os rom but there was nothing..
Is there a stock android rom for the note 8?!

Useless on a Note !
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abdulrrahman said:
Hello
I have been looking for a stock rom for the note 8 and i haven't found any, i thought i would find a lineage os rom but there was nothing..
Is there a stock android rom for the note 8?!
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By "stock rom" do you mean vanilla ? , then why did you get a samsung galaxy device? Specially a note series one? Better get a pixel or something like it, why getting a samsung galaxy note device, to later downgrade it?

winol said:
By "stock rom" do you mean vanilla ? , then why did you get a samsung galaxy device? Specially a note series one? Better get a pixel or something like it, why getting a samsung galaxy note device, to later downgrade it?
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I have never understood why people do this.
They want some high end phone first. Then suddenly learn about custom roms and are like i want to flash this now.
Better donate the extra money to devs here instead of spending stupidly.

I'm just adding my sentiment. If you want stock Android, get a Pixel device or Motorola or Nokia or almost anything else. You buy a Samsung device for the features they add. If you don't like or use those features, then don't buy something for $1,000 just to essentially cripple it afterwards.

abdulrrahman said:
Hello
I have been looking for a stock rom for the note 8 and i haven't found any, i thought i would find a lineage os rom but there was nothing..
Is there a stock android rom for the note 8?!
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Lineage 15.1 was released yesterday for the note 8, it is in alpha stage though.

Clean Android not only reduces these devices in terms of function (S Pen, Iris, gestures, etc), but also removes the appeal of Sammy phones. I'm using Pie on my z2 Force, as well as my Pro 3. Whilst both have active development, my N8 is the new king on the hill.
Anyway, it's best to buy another phone like the Moto Z4, Poco F1, Pixel, or Essential for plain Android.

sandeepkumar0153 said:
I have never understood why people do this.
They want some high end phone first. Then suddenly learn about custom roms and are like i want to flash this now.
Better donate the extra money to devs here instead of spending stupidly.
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I think that some people are just plain stupid. They don't relise that most of the features of Stock Android come from other android OEM skins. Just because Stock Android is simple doesn't make it better. Even 3rd party Custom OSes don't support the same features on a Note device.

Ace42 said:
Clean Android not only reduces these devices in terms of function (S Pen, Iris, gestures, etc), but also removes the appeal of Sammy phones. I'm using Pie on my z2 Force, as well as my Pro 3. Whilst both have active development, my N8 is the new king on the hill.
Anyway, it's best to buy another phone like the Moto Z4, Poco F1, Pixel, or Essential for plain Android.
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Couldn't agree more on this. I bought my note 8 after i have used a note 8 port rom on my j7 2016.
And honestly i will prefer the note this way and i haven't even rooted yet. I miss viper4android so much but atleast we have Dolby atmos in N8.

iceepyon said:
I think that some people are just plain stupid. They don't relise that most of the features of Stock Android come from other android OEM skins. Just because Stock Android is simple doesn't make it better. Even 3rd party Custom OSes don't support the same features on a Note device.
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Exactly, you buy a note device for what i gives not what you can mod it into using a custom rom. Root and xposed is an other thing, but custom rom, that too an AOSP ? Completely dumb people out there.

I think it is about choice, not stupidity, like it's said a couple of times here.
Let people do what they want with their phone, like you do.

The thing is i am a university student and thought that i would use the pen.. turned out i didn't use it nor did i use any of the other features..
Second i am not from the US so pixel is not an option unless i would pay around 100 to 200 extra dollar to get it without a warranty.. this goes to the oneplus..
Other thing is the samsung devices are premium with good camera and great displays which is important for me..

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Other thing is the samsung devices are premium with good camera and great displays which is important for me..
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You do know that once you install a custom OS on the Note. The camera quality goes down. As custom OSes do not have the same camera optimisation software as the Samsung Stock OS.

I was planning to use the pixel camera app

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I was planning to use the pixel camera app
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Of course yo would, that is the point, once you install a stock android,, the camera will no longer be driven by the samsung software, exactly what iceepyon told you, the samsung hardware is specifically constructed to work efficiently with samsung firmwares

Wow
A person asks about a custom vanilla rom, and look at some of the answers. So glad to live in 2019 when XDA posts are turned into youtube comments on taylor swift videos.
People are not "dumb or stupid" if they're looking for customization options on XDA. They're maybe "wrong" in some cases. Just tell them why.
To answer your question:
These days there are too many flagships and midrange phones out there. Also The oems use different hardwares and barely release their source codes and drivers. Plus, stock roms are way more feature rich and fluid than before. For all these reasons the development of vanilla based roms is limited and less reasonable for most phones. Except pixel phones and Android one phones. Even there, all different roms are lineage-based and basically the same, with same features and same bugs! But different visuall traits!
There is a Lineage os for note 8.0 but in very early stages. About other custom roms (stock based), they do a great job in terms of features and removing so called bloatwares, but personally I recommend you staying on stock because unlike few years ago, stock roms get you better performance, features, battery life, etc. I'm currently using pixel 2 and note 8 and trust me, you get bored by plain android!

pooyab said:
Wow
A person asks about a custom vanilla rom, and look at some of the answers. So glad to live in 2019 when XDA posts are turned into youtube comments on taylor swift videos.
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Now I'm going to watch Taylor Swift music videos and read the comments, when I get home.