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Motorola ready to make sweet love to Android ROM devs and rooters?

This is taken from engadget.com
HTC is legendary for its tacit support of the Android ROM cooking community. Motorola... not so much, thanks in large part to the company's policy of locking down the bootloader as a means to prevent unapproved software from running on its Droid handsets. An annoyance recently exacperated by a moderator of Moto's YouTube channel who suggested that customers looking to install custom ROMs should "buy elsewhere." Ouch. The resulting public relations kerfuffle then prompted Motorola to publish a clarification to its bootloader policy on Facebook:
We apologize for the feedback we provided regarding our bootloader policy. The response does not reflect the views of Motorola. We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
Obviously, we'll have wait for said details to get official before calling this a shift in strategy. It's certainly an improvement over Moto's previous approach of lawyering-up with cease and desist orders. Perhaps Motorola is taking a cue from Microsoft who seems to have recently discovered that it's better to embrace than to annoy a motivated hacking community -- customers who tend to be a company's most dedicated fans and evangelists.
Good news?
Direct Link: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/

its a maybe. maybe they will launch our froyo locked, maybe it'll be open. we never know.

i just read this also. this could be great news or another terrible taunt whih leads to nothing.
im not gonna get my hopes up just yet.

available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned! lol
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Sounds like a PR stunt to quell the immediate situation before waiting for it to blow over.
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I dont believe in manufaturer, i believe in XDA dev's..... this a "cold water" not a hope for us.

I hope this isn't just some PR bull and moto actually enables us to load custom kernels.

That press release says nothing about unlocking the bootloader, only that they will help devs which could mean anything!

DummyPLUG said:
available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned! lol
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LMFAO!!!
i dnt believe motorolsh!t will do that(unlocking the bootloader)

I so love my new HTC Desire! couldnt stand this situation anymore....! sorry guys...

It is just the usual PR crap which companies like them give when they screw up on the social networking front. The "..buy elsewhere.." was just a such screw up. A Royal one I would say!
They are now trying to calm down the situation by giving us this crap..

I think it's just a excuse about the bad comments in youtube video, nothing more than that.

DummyPLUG said:
available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned!
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2046???
...that seems a little too soon... dont ya think?

Menelkir said:
I think it's just a excuse about the bad comments in youtube video, nothing more than that.
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That seems most likely but perhaps the fallout and bad press from that will push them to do what they should have done long ago, free the bootloader in some form so we can get custom ROMs on it.

Dyonas said:
That seems most likely but perhaps the fallout and bad press from that will push them to do what they should have done long ago, free the bootloader in some form so we can get custom ROMs on it.
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Yes, I really want to see this happening, but I don't have any hope about Motorola opening the bootloader.
If they do, ok, excelent news to the community, to all developers that will make even better ROMs and for all of us that have a Motorola phone. We can see the quality of alternative ROMs for Motorola Milestone today as example. It's obvious that the only limitation is the bootloader, so the quality can be massively improved if we can change and optimize the kernel.
But I think all people here are already tired from Motorola's position about his costumers: Censorship on comments (youtube and motorola forums), censorship on criticism (even the very good ones, Motorola does not seem to care about the opinion of his costumers), cease and desist in community cases like the ROM of Droid X and sites with roms (that its very stupid IMHO)... and the list goes on...
By the way, my only hope is, if that happens and I have not exchanged my phone yet, good.. I'll make good use of it. But honestly? I have now my last phone from Motorola.

Am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance, but what is "locked up" about the bootloader? I'm running CM6 along with the overclocked CM6 kernel, and there are tons of other custom ROMs out for the Droid as it stands. What is restricted by Motorola?

vapor63 said:
Am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance, but what is "locked up" about the bootloader? I'm running CM6 along with the overclocked CM6 kernel, and there are tons of other custom ROMs out for the Droid as it stands. What is restricted by Motorola?
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Milestone users cannot use custom kernels. All the AOSP ROMs still have to use the SAME kernel, supplied by Mot. They lock it to the bootloader. This means problems trying to compile modules and customer kernels and no way to patch bugs.
It is much more work for devs to get stuff done for the milestone than other phone (htc comes to mind).
Examples of issues: battery life, phone sleeping, waiting for compatible kernel or hack for new android versions, swap support, vpn support, other filesystem support... the list goes on.
But you allowed to be happy with your phone. Not everybody needs these things...
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He has a very good point. Where other android device builders seem to be promoting development (Huawei excluded, theyre miser's just like Motorola), this company seems to be more prominent on the restriction of development on their devices.
One very good reason for this is that Motorola has been such a huge phone developer for such a long time, that they have probably let it go to their head. Now instead of saying "our consumers said they need this", they're sayin "we think they really only need this." I've used Motorola phones for about 8 years now, and I would DEFINITELY say someone forgot that their customers put them where their at.

I agree. Someone needs to get out there and give them a taste of Good Customer Service. I dont think restricting dev's is a great marketing idea, or revenue booster anyways. BUt then again, to each, his own.

This is PR.Nothing more.
Know motorola they do not update РСТ(Russian legal)Milestone, they do not
need to unlock this crap bootloader.

KF2 Jelly Bean?

So is it to my understanding that at this time, 10.2.4 KF2 people are unable to put Jelly Bean or any other regular android OS on the KF2?
I have been able to root mine, but I cannot put FireFireFire or TWRP and proceed following the intructions on the KF1 jelly bean thread.
So, anyone do this sort of thing yet, or do I need to wait until someone figures something out?

AladarZC said:
So is it to my understanding that at this time, 10.2.4 KF2 people are unable to put Jelly Bean or any other regular android OS on the KF2?
I have been able to root mine, but I cannot put FireFireFire or TWRP and proceed following the intructions on the KF1 jelly bean thread.
So, anyone do this sort of thing yet, or do I need to wait until someone figures something out?
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As far as I understand it, that's pretty much it. I cannot post on dev forums so I'll spam. I had an account a year ago but hadn't been to the site for a while.
Anyways, from what I know, and I could be entirely wrong, the way the KF2 is partitioned makes getting a Recovery on it difficult. Or, that may have been for the KFHD, which, is rooted. Until I post on the dev forums I won't know for sure, but I can't actually see any real devs doing work on the KF2. If there aren't any I'll try and make a dev team myself to get some work done. I would have the team built and meeting this weekend, and from there I would ask them what they would say an ETA on a fully ROMd KF2 would be. Hopefully someone beats me to it though!

iytrix said:
As far as I understand it, that's pretty much it. I cannot post on dev forums so I'll spam. I had an account a year ago but hadn't been to the site for a while.
Anyways, from what I know, and I could be entirely wrong, the way the KF2 is partitioned makes getting a Recovery on it difficult. Or, that may have been for the KFHD, which, is rooted. Until I post on the dev forums I won't know for sure, but I can't actually see any real devs doing work on the KF2. If there aren't any I'll try and make a dev team myself to get some work done. I would have the team built and meeting this weekend, and from there I would ask them what they would say an ETA on a fully ROMd KF2 would be. Hopefully someone beats me to it though!
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That would be absolutely amazing! I really am looking foward to having just regular android OS on my kindle instead of the Amazon stuff. Im sure a bunch of people got them for xmas and are probably thinking the same

I'd love to run Jelly Bean on my Kindle to be honest, that Amazon fork of Android is absolutely horrible.
Okay, I did manage to brick my Kindle because I used a KF1 guide by accident, and I messed up the partitioning so now it won't boot, but I have a factory cable coming in the mail.

AladarZC said:
That would be absolutely amazing! I really am looking foward to having just regular android OS on my kindle instead of the Amazon stuff. Im sure a bunch of people got them for xmas and are probably thinking the same
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Agreed! I won mine at a raffle at work. I went to XDA as usual for hacking but realized that, not only was the kindle underdeveloped, but there wasn't any devs working on it (from what I could see). I then realized that I never really give back to XDA. So I take my time now to help on forums how I can. I couldn't do much of the dev work, but I have the devices, money, and the time to dedicated to the forums, and I know three people that can develop. One agreed to look at the kindle and android but hasn't developed for it yet. The prominent developer I have in mind I plan to meet and talk with this weekend and see how he feels about joining the project. Either way I should have more info this weekend to post!
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I'd love to run Jelly Bean on my Kindle to be honest, that Amazon fork of Android is absolutely horrible.
Okay, I did manage to brick my Kindle because I used a KF1 guide by accident, and I messed up the partitioning so now it won't boot, but I have a factory cable coming in the mail.
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I remember seeing you on another thread! Yeah, I can't understand how they came up with the OS design. It's ugly and awful in every way. What cracks me up is the "silk" browser and how un-silky it is. One of the most lag filled browsers I've seen and chrome has been SOOO much smoother!
As a side note. My philosophy for ROMs has always been simplicity and ability to change what you want. Granted, I won't be writing the OS but I hope to incorporate that into whatever we make.

Where are the Custom Roms?

So not trying to be rude here, but where are the custom roms? I had the original Moto X and it had a few nice custom roms. I` am rooted with a unlocked bootloader but so far have stayed on stock. Is this going to be a bust as far as custom roms for this device......any thoughts would be appreciated!!

Another one of these threads? If you are so big on flashing ROMs, why didn't you research before you bought the X?
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Yes it's a bust if you like to flash roms this is not the device to have I personally buy Motos for the stock experience and battery life if I'm looking to flash Nexus or any # of devices for that moving away from Nexus too big too pricey currently

jmcdonald58 said:
Yes it's a bust if you like to flash roms this is not the device to have I personally buy Motos for the stock experience and battery life if I'm looking to flash Nexus or any # of devices for that moving away from Nexus too big too pricey currently
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I agree that stock on here is pretty good, on my Moto x 2013 I used a stock rom that was optimized and it was excellent. I think the sales must be poor of this unit and it is one reason that we do not have custom roms. For flashing I will use my M8...
Another one of these threads? If you are so big on flashing ROMs, why didn't you research before you bought the X?
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I said I did not mean to be rude...and what do you do, start off with a rude comment...shesh... the thread is in the Q&A section....maybe I want to know what other people think...but obviously not you.

Could be my thinking is that Motorola was locked in with Verizon so long that the development was limited more Gsm phones should help them in the future I bought a droid Razr Hd from Canada Rogers and it worked great would love to get a Turbo gsm HTC has good development and great Devs I owned several of these devices just prefer stock android over sense,touchwiz etc I don't like paying that much for my devices though -- good luck Have a great day

More to the point, there are already several other threads worded exactly like yours already here. The answer, or discussion, you seek already exist on this forum.
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caanda45 said:
I agree that stock on here is pretty good, on my Moto x 2013 I used a stock rom that was optimized and it was excellent. I think the sales must be poor of this unit and it is one reason that we do not have custom roms. For flashing I will use my M8...
I said I did not mean to be rude...and what do you do, start off with a rude comment...shesh... the thread is in the Q&A section....maybe I want to know what other people think...but obviously not you.
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My comment really wasn't that rude. There are multiple existing threads on this topic that you could have posted in instead of starting a new one. Threads that are worded near identical to yours, so there is no doubt that had you even made the slightest attempt to search first, you would have found at least one of them. And just like all the other people complaining about no custom ROMs, you should have researched before making your purchase. XDA isn't a venue for you to complain about something that you should have known before you bought the phone, it's here so people can find help with modding their phones. You've been a member since 2010, you should know better. I guarantee this thread will be closed.
Look, found this on page 2. You literally didn't even try to search first- http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lack-custom-roms-mods-t2975516

caanda45 said:
So not trying to be rude here, but where are the custom roms? I had the original Moto X and it had a few nice custom roms. I` am rooted with a unlocked bootloader but so far have stayed on stock. Is this going to be a bust as far as custom roms for this device......any thoughts would be appreciated!!
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my friend I agree,and I have the same think,about the custom roms,kernel,i wish to be soon,the phone need roms,kernels,every phone need, I will wait a bit,maby a month,and then I will sale it.

_MetalHead_ said:
My comment really wasn't that rude. There are multiple existing threads on this topic that you could have posted in instead of starting a new one. Threads that are worded near identical to yours, so there is no doubt that had you even made the slightest attempt to search first, you would have found at least one of them. And just like all the other people complaining about no custom ROMs, you should have researched before making your purchase. XDA isn't a venue for you to complain about something that you should have known before you bought the phone, it's here so people can find help with modding their phones. You've been a member since 2010, you should know better. I guarantee this thread will be closed.
Look, found this on page 2. You literally didn't even try to search first- http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lack-custom-roms-mods-t2975516
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The debate should be why..that is what I am asking, I think it is the lack of sales, simple as that. Maybe I should have changed the tittle to make you feel better. I bought it cause it is a good phone, a optimized rom would be nice. Why are your panties and others in such a knot about this. At least it could be good reading cause nothing else is happening here about this device!! Harsh but true...close it, I could care less.
Great phone but very small sales = almost no developer community....but thanks to those that have given us root and a custom recovery it might be needed in the future...I hope!!!!

As stated above, there is already a thread on this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/lack-custom-roms-mods-t2975516
Please search before posting.
Thread closed.

Fire 7" (7th Gen): Rooting solutions and modifications anyone??

Hi all,
I just purchased 6 cyber monday 7" fire tablets. Think I paid $30/ a pop. I did so with the expectation of modifying them all for my kids. My hope is that I can maximize the hardware purchase by rooting the tablets, but realized, as of this post, that there are no known solutions on OS version 5.4 (which is how they shipped) or 5.6 which is what they update to almost immediately when connected to wifi. Given the price I am confident that a ton of these were purchased and am therefore hopeful that a solution to the rooting dilemma will be found with the large demand out there.
I thought I would post, to create a location for the latest information on rooting the device, and to hear from others out there who may be in the same position. I'd like to find out what others are doing to mitigate the limitations of the Fire OS until a root solution is found (if it is even possible...as I have little knowledge in the field of hacking). For me personally, I find the biggest drawback is not being able to connect (fully) to Chrome. The main perks for me being gmail, calendar, all bookmarks. I think I could live with the cumbersome Fire interface if I could access Chrome. Conversely, I think these tablets will eventually become paperweights if I can't make them more Android like.
I have been using it to video stream and watch MP4's while in bed, with an external bose bluetooth speaker of course (the onboard speaker is a dog). I also am using it as my main kindle reader, replacing a Kindle 3 wifi that recently blew its screen. I will have to get more out of it if my children, who are android phone and chromebook users, are to find it useful.
Let's hear what others are doing and if anyone has gotten wind of solutions being worked on.
Don

DJC2982 said:
Hi all,
I just purchased 6 cyber monday 7" fire tablets. Think I paid $30/ a pop. I did so with the expectation of modifying them all for my kids. My hope is that I can maximize the hardware purchase by rooting the tablets, but realized, as of this post, that there are no known solutions on OS version 5.4 (which is how they shipped) or 5.6 which is what they update to almost immediately when connected to wifi. Given the price I am confident that a ton of these were purchased and am therefore hopeful that a solution to the rooting dilemma will be found with the large demand out there.
I thought I would post, to create a location for the latest information on rooting the device, and to hear from others out there who may be in the same position. I'd like to find out what others are doing to mitigate the limitations of the Fire OS until a root solution is found (if it is even possible...as I have little knowledge in the field of hacking). For me personally, I find the biggest drawback is not being able to connect (fully) to Chrome. The main perks for me being gmail, calendar, all bookmarks. I think I could live with the cumbersome Fire interface if I could access Chrome. Conversely, I think these tablets will eventually become paperweights if I can't make them more Android like.
I have been using it to video stream and watch MP4's while in bed, with an external bose bluetooth speaker of course (the onboard speaker is a dog). I also am using it as my main kindle reader, replacing a Kindle 3 wifi that recently blew its screen. I will have to get more out of it if my children, who are android phone and chromebook users, are to find it useful.
Let's hear what others are doing and if anyone has gotten wind of solutions being worked on.
Don
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There are numerous threads in this forum covered the topics you are seeking input on. There is no need to start yet another to rehash the same details. Suggest you browse existing threads and comment there.

Davey126 said:
There are numerous threads in this forum covered the topics you are seeking input on. There is no need to start yet another to rehash the same details. Suggest you browse existing threads and comment there.
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I accept the rules of the forum but do have the same questions, reading since hours and do not have a final glue as well.
This might be a good starting point:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help/help-thread-7th-gen-2017ask-question-t3636919
There are hundreds of threads mixed different kind of devices 7'' 8'' 10'' GEN5 ,6,7...
For a beginner with the device this is a quite confusing situation, so if some one has a hint or link where to start to read - all help is very welcomed.
Regards
gonso

gonsoXDA said:
I accept the rules of the forum but do have the same questions, reading since hours and do not have a final glue as well.
There are hundreds of threads mixed different kind of devices 7'' 8'' 10'' GEN5 ,6,7...
For a beginner with the device this is a quite confusing situation, so if some one has a hint or link where to start to read - all help is very welcomed.
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gonso
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Forum index: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general/index-amazon-fire-2015-t3210485
General threads: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/general
Help Threads: https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/help

lol mines came with 5.0.1

jakiejohnson said:
lol mines came with 5.0.1
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Sounds like you scored an early build 5th gen device (likely 18-24 months old). Not many of those pups around!
No need to root or even boot up FireOS v5. You can launch TWRP directly from fastboot and immediately install the custom ROM of your choosing (likely Fire Nexus or Lineage 12.1).

so how do i launch twrp? and I can choose ANY rom?
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jakiejohnson said:
so how do i launch twrp? and I can choose ANY rom?
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Zboy745 said:
jakiejohnson said:
so how do i launch twrp? and I can choose ANY rom?
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There are numerous videos out there that make it extremely easy
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Best take note of post date when quoting another member. In this case the post was nearly a year old.

Thread closed - course run.

Fire OS (5.3.6.4) to Android?

Reposting per recommendation from another thread on XDA. Sorry for posting in the wrong location!
ZeldaG said:
Hey guys, I'm brand new to some of this stuff so please bear with me. I've tried hunting all over the internet for help and at this point XDA is my last hope.
I've got a Kindle Fire 7 (5th Gen) that I previously used for reading books and whatnot. It's gotten so slow to the point it's intolerable and even on factory reset it's lagging pretty bad. I've wanted to try to remove the Fire OS from it for some time but never really could figure it out and today when I did try to do so I ran across some problems. I'm at the point where I really don't know what I'm doing and I don't want to brick it.
My version, according to the tablet, is Fire OS 5.3.6.4. I'd really like to get this thing converted over but I'm seeing that in some cases this device cannot be rooted because it cannot be downgraded. I'd like to hear it directly from the professionals that do this stuff in their daily lives.
So, I suppose in summary, is it even remotely possible for me to get this thing over to some kind of standard Android? If so, how do I do it? You're really going to have to break it down for me because I don't know anything about Flash Fire and some of these mods I'm seeing. I do computers, not tablets. Lol.
Thank you so so much!
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ZeldaG said:
Reposting per recommendation from another thread on XDA. Sorry for posting in the wrong location!
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This is the procedure you'll need to follow. Not for the faint of heart; involves opening the device and running software you likely have no familiarity with. I suggest you consider a $64 USD Onn tablet from Walmart that runs the latest version of Android right out of box. Good luck, mate.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/amazon-fire/development/unlock-fire-t3899860