I purchased a Seidio mini-usb to audio cable and I cannot get output in both ears no matter what headset or combination of stereo adapters I use. If I hold a stereo adapter half way in the audio cable I can hear in both ears, but that hardly suffices.
Does anybody else own one of these? Do I just have a defective one or is there some secret I don't know?
Thanks
RK
I know that my room mate has a pair and they work fine. I would assume that it is just a defective pair, or your port is messed up.
I have 2 pair. One worked fine, but the cable is so cheap it started to break after 1 week, and only an hour or so of use. I bought another, and only get sound out of one ear. I think you might need to by one of the HTC remotes if you actually want something with quality.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=350016629088&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI
I bought this one, and it works great. Problem is that it's a bit bulky, but the cable quality is great. I bought one that just outputted audio only and it was small and skinny. broke in 20 minutes of use...
Look for one with a REALLY thick cable. The one above probably has one. The ones with "normal" looking cables on ebay actually have thread-thin wires that will snap in a week.
i have Seidio's 2-in-1 isolators, and they work fine for me, but it does take some doing to make sure the jack is fully pushed in. it goes in farther than the usual sync/charger cables. the main problem is the way it bends out at the jack, which prevents me from taking out my stylus easily.
Hey anyone know of a 3.5mm headphone jack - Ext-USB that works with this phone? I've been searching everywhere, but haven't found anything that works.
i got one with the phone well it was a 2.5 i think and i got an adapter from Radioshack... it's very ugly and dangles i really wish phone companies would just put 3.5 mm jacks right into the phone -
you can also google mini-usb to 3.5 and can find some.
yeah. i'm using the one that came with the phone but it's so bulky. I was just wondering if anyone found something better.
I am currently using this one:
http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=289
I've had a for about 2-3 months and it works great
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If you got to your local T-mobile store you can get an HTC branded 11-pin mini usb to 3.5 mm headphone jack for around ten dollars. I've been using it for a couple months and it works great since it was made to work with the Android HTC Dream. It's a little more pricier than you can find it online, but it's definitely reliable, the connection is sturdy, and it's not terribly overpriced.
i dont recomment the one above because i bought it and when it tangles over time the black rubber part breaks.. try
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50 .
i just bought one and no problems so far
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i dont recomment the one above because i bought it and when it tangles over time the black rubber part breaks.. try
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50 .
i just bought one and no problems so far
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Which rubber part breaks off? (So I can be careful and elongate the time my cord exists)
I gotta admit, if I wasn't paranoid about buying stuff over the net, I would buy that. It's exactly what I was looking for originally, something sturdy (mainly the one piece connection that is likely to break) and simple.
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i dont recomment the one above because i bought it and when it tangles over time the black rubber part breaks.. try
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50 .
i just bought one and no problems so far
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perfect i saw this on ebay a while ago, but didn't know if it would work with the vogue. thanks so much!
Im just using the adapter for my Dream. Works great, has a built in microphone and hang up button that the ones online DONT have. Connection is fair, sometimes you gotta tighten it a bit.
This is the one that I'm using:
http://www.oriongadgets.com/product_info.php?products_id=2087
It looks like it's bigger but I like it because it's got more cable, which to a degree makes it more flexible in where I can put it. The little block includes a mic, and also has the connector for charging and 3.5mm output. So I can charge and listen to music, or charge and talk using standard headphones/earphones with the built in mic.
To be honest the standard HTC headphones are some of the worst I have seen.... So I was wondering if any if u guys have experimented with other earphones? Please suggest me some good quality earphones for regular use which do not need care... I just dump everything in my bag as a result of which I have a collection of broken earphones and stuff.... Any help is appreciated ... Thanks!
Oh and yes.... Preferably those in ear kind of earphones!
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How much are you willing to spend on headphones? I recommend checking this thread out, it's how I decided on which headphones I was gonna buy (all the reviews are sorted by price range) http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread...compared-xears-nature-n3i-xe200pro-added-8-01
any comments on skull candy or Sony? I stuck between these two.... Anything that falls between 10-20 $ ....
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Are you talking about the Sony MDR-EX082 / MDR-EX85 he reviewed? I used to have them and I enjoyed them. Great sound isolation, comfort, and sound quality+bass. The only thing I didn't like about them is that the wires linking the earbuds aren't symmetrical (Right earbud's wire is longer than the left one).
In total agreement about the HTC headphones.
I'd love to join you and get a new pair, but I really crave ones with a compatible remote control on them. Y'know, the buttons to allow you to skip track and a mic to answer calls with.
Does anyone know if these are standard in anyway? Anyone had any success stories with a pair working on the Inc S?
Stay away from headphones designed for "iphones" as the fwd and back buttons don't work with the Incr S (or most HTC's). I remember trying a few and maybe the play/stop only worked on a few. Also, I was told that maybe HTC did something differently with some of the more recent phones including the Incr S vs the old Desire, adding to headphone control compatibly issues... I ended up with some Klipsh ProMedia In-Ear http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-in-ear-headset which are essentially the S4 but with a single button and mic. It will stop and start music and handle calls. If you get the "headset button" app you can then set double click, triple click, etc... I've got mine set to fast fwd on double click and rwd on triple click.
Sound-wise, I thought that they sounded the best in that price range. There are lot of good phones at various price points and it all depends on your personal taste (and don't forget comfort...). Best to find a shop that allows you to demo them.
edit: one niggle I have with the Klipsh Promedia is that the button/mic piece sits just around my shirt collar (when I wear a dress shirt) and if I turn my head, sometimes it gets caught and tugs on my right ear phone. They also come with lots of tips to get a right fit. But I use comply foam tips as I always find foam tips the most comfortable and secure for my ears, and I like the sound slightly better with the foam tips (bass seems less boomy).
Sennheiser CX 300 II. not very expensive and decent sound quality, give it a try..
I am using Shure E215 which the sound quality is very impressive.
Anything sennheiser
Ok, do Sony mdr zx 100 work??
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Sennheiser
I prefer Sennheiser CX 200 Street II.
+ good quality: i use it for sports
+ perfect sound: in ear = bass
+ fits perfect: 3 different adaptors for your ear are included
+ price: 20€ @ amazon
- 3,5mm plug: For IS a plug with no 90° would be perfect
I use Sony mw600 by earphone,not bad.
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I use Klipsch S4i's, and they're ****in awesome.
Pretty good noise isolation & deep and powerful bass
I really can recommend those lil basterds
Btw, the control buttons are working on stock rom, but with cyanogenmod they don't..
klipsch image s4 is good
I have two choices of a pair of headphones.
1)Sennheiser HD 438
2)Razer Orca
Well both of them look nice. The orca have similar specs to the hd 438 and only USD59.99. But does not have a travel case. But the hd 438 has. Which one should i choose?
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I have Sennheiser with bass boost, for not in-ear nice bass
As stated, Sennheiser/klipsch are the way to go. My favourites are Image s4 for klipsch and CX-400-II precission for sennheiser, any of those and you wont be disappointed.
I tried them all and they are all uncomfortable. You have to get the ultimate ear 500vi with remote control. Not only do they sound much better than sure, klipsch headphones but are way cheaper at around 60$. They are very sturdy, no tangle, and come with comply foam ear tips which are the most comfortable things you can put in your ear(they also isolate sound and give a richer base. Did I mention they have the best warranty in the business, they will send you a free pair if ever you encounter any problem!!
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Ulti...G2XW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324688458&sr=8-2
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As stated, Sennheiser/klipsch are the way to go. My favourites are Image s4 for klipsch and CX-400-II precission for sennheiser, any of those and you wont be disappointed.
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Also using sennheiser cx400 ll. 40bugs. Best choice
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For someone coming from an iPhone to the Note 2, one of the most distressing things is the lack of earphones with functioning volume buttons. I say this because everyone with an iPhone is used to having a big selection of working headsets that have these controls. Because of the wide variety of android phones and their conficting standards, manufacturers have evidently decided it not worthwhile trying to make android compatible earphones with volume controls since they have assumed they'd have to be device specific, and instead opted for a few single button ones. I found this amazing, incomprehensible and unacceptable. You see, I live with my earphones. Besides listening to music or streaming podcasts, I take all my calls with earphones so that I can keep my hands free, and reaching constantly into my pocket to change the volume won't do.
After a laborious search, I've found earphones that work with my Note 2 (ie 3 button ones with volume controls as well as the pause/play button), but they all have issues or problems from my point of view. Nevertheless, the simple answer starts with looking for ones made by HTC or Samsung. Unfortunately, the ones I found from HTC have really cheap speakers and place the mic/controls near your belly button! They also place the mic at the point where the speaker wires branch rather than the typical spot 6" from the right earpiece on its own wire, so winding up the extra wire is an awkward solution at best (I tried it, ughh!) The Samsung OEM ones that should have come with the phone (I'm on ATT and as everyone knows, they didn't include them in their packaging), are fine with respect to the placement of the mic, but the sound may be iffy for some and I find the volume controls too small and poorly placed - I'm often hitting the wrong button. For me though, there was also another worse problem. I know I'm in a minority here, but I can't stand in-ear sound isolating earbuds. (Note: by in-ear, I mean the type that have flexible plastic tips that snug down into the ear canal a bit.) I find them uncomfortable after a very short time, and when I take calls, I feel like I'm speaking under water, or like I have my fingers in my ears. I actually prefer hearing the environmental sound a bit rather than cutting it off. Stupid me, I just prefer the plain old iPhone earphones (not the new earpods). They're cheap, have ok sound with moderate bass, and do what I want. All you others who don't agree with me, don't despair since what I propose applies equally to you.
My final solution to this nasty impass was to clip off the HTC or Samsung earphones and solder on my old iPhone earpieces. I'm writing all this because I know there are a lot of people more or less in my situation, and I just want to encourage people that it really is not hard at all to do this if you're able to solder at all. And afaik, the same applies to people who prefer in-ear buds, or even hi quality ones. Most earpieces are pretty easy to disassemble - one might have to score/lever the joint a bit, but basically you just give a twist with a pliers to the piece nearest your ear that has the grill or holds the in-ear piece, and the speaker and its wired connections can be pulled out of the housing and have its connections exposed. I was confused at first by the iPhone earphones since when I clipped the wire and examined it, there seemed to be four wires going to each earpiece. I spoke to an audio engineer for advice (who designed circuits, cables etc for the audio industry for 40 years) and his basic take on it was the quality is all in the speakers not in the switch, so you really can just swap them, and the extra wires are just twisted around to support the functioning wires structurally - each speaker really has two wires.
Luckily for me, it cost me nothing extra to try this as I had already bought three different working sets off eBay at $5 - $8 each and I had my old iPhone ones (actually two broken sets - I just used the good speaker from each). Anyway, if anyone's interested below are pics of the three Note 2 compatible types I bought (use them to find ones to buy since links change). Remember, in the end I only needed them for the plug, working switch/mic, and wires - the speakers are thrown away. And also pics of a disassembled iphone earpiece as well as a finished hybrid. The one I did uses the white HTC earphones as a base. I of course shortened the wires going to the earpieces. I don't mind the Samsung one once in a while, so I plan to order another and when it arrives, alter it as a spare hybrid like the other - with iPhone earpieces.
There are several other ones out there that would probably do as well as the ones I bought, but they all have in-ear type earpieces so I didn't order them, and I can't vouch for their volume controls working. I'd guess several will. Sometimes android earphones apparently use the outer buttons to advance or rewind (next track/previous track) so watch out for those. I don't see the point of them since double click/triple click does that for me with all the audio players I've tried (Walkman, PowerAmp, Player Pro) and the volume controls are more important to me anyway. It's also difficult to tell from the eBay pictures if the mic/controls are near the belly button or not, and after buying two that had this design, I didn't feel like trying more at random. If anyone has ordered other ones and found the buttons work (FOR VOLUME CONTROLS!) and especially if they have the better, single wire mic layout, I'd be interested if you'd post the name and pics of what you've tried and found works.
Soldering tips: dip the wire ends in a tiny bit of alcohol and briefly burn off the nylon support strands and coating with a cigarette lighter before tinning the ends and then soldering. If you are timid, cut the wire near the speaker (1") rather than desoldering it. You can then test the whole thing out by twisting wires together rather than straight away soldering your new wires to the speakers. The joint can still be coiled up and hidden in the earpiece housing. It will also keep clear what color wire goes where and if you aren't good with soldering (like me) that also has the advantage of not risking making a total mess of the contacts on the speakers straight away! The "standard" earphone color code is Red pair on Right channel, Blue or Green on Left.
On a related issue on audio on the Note 2, I'd like to mention that I had to use the volume mod (I edited my own default_gain.conf - root required) so that the phone call volume, as well as streaming audio such you get with news apps, was high enough for me - though I also increased the volume for music as well. Also, I recommend using the Equalizer app from the Play store rather than Beats Audio to add some extra bass etc to the earphones since unlike Beats, it is a system wide EQ, so you can improve the sound of podcasts and phone calls as well as your music! Using it necessitates disabling all other EQs.
Love the Note 2 and this forum! Good Luck and I hope this helps someone!
Sorry, I only made it half way to the 2nd paragraph. That's a long post.
Didn't read you long post but from the title I use some MEE i9p's the mic works fine but since they don't have a volume button cant answer that part.
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I say this because everyone with an iPhone is used to having a big selection of working headsets that have these controls. Because of the wide variety of android phones and their conficting standards, manufacturers have evidently decided it not worthwhile trying to make android compatible earphones with volume controls since they have assumed they'd have to be device specific, and instead opted for a few single button ones.
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Isn't Apple the odd one out here? Their inline remotes don't work in other devices, but an inline remote that works for android also works for blackberry devices. The inline remotes made for android devices all work for each android device.. what the buttons actually do is a different story. Oddly, for samsung, the ff and rw buttons control the volume in their devices instead.. but I think this is a more ideal usage of it. Since if you get a rom that has hold volume for ff or rw, you'll have double usage of the buttons. On HTC devices, they work as intended (ff and rw actually ff and rw).
I use these scull candys and they function properly...
Ok. So out of the replies so far most stated they didnt read it all since its rather lengthy. Props for honesty guys. I did read all of the post. The OP has done his or her homework and confirmed a few suspicions and answered a few questions I had about earbud controls. Along with a very educated way of asking us to give feedback on successful full volume controls and what breand or models we found worked.
I have been useing the Samsung buds that came with my wifes S3. So yea full control on every rom I have used thus far. Hybrid and Jedi.
Great post OP. Everyone else read the entire post before replying.
I just got the Motorola S11 Flex HD (Bluetooth headphones). They are sweat proof and designed for running and working out. They have a power button, multi-function button, a volume up and down button. I enjoy the freedom of being wireless, especially when running/working out.
Audio quality is ok, probably no worse than the standard headset the come with most devices. They don't compare to my quality headphones (Shure SE530, Klipsch X10). I'm sure you lose some audio quality when making the device sweat proof.
What I wasn't expecting was the built in mic to work as well as they did. I've made three phone calls and they all said I sounded fine and in fact better than my previous BT headset. Now this wasn't in windy or noisy conditions, but still better than I expected.
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Oddly, for samsung, the ff and rw buttons control the volume in their devices instead.. but I think this is a more ideal usage of it. Since if you get a rom that has hold volume for ff or rw, you'll have double usage of the buttons. On HTC devices, they work as intended (ff and rw actually ff and rw).
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That's why I use a 3-button Samsung headphone set and a music player that uses long-press (or multi-press) of the answer/end button to skip tracks.
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Isn't Apple the odd one out here? Their inline remotes don't work in other devices, but an inline remote that works for android also works for blackberry devices. The inline remotes made for android devices all work for each android device.. what the buttons actually do is a different story. Oddly, for samsung, the ff and rw buttons control the volume in their devices instead.. but I think this is a more ideal usage of it. Since if you get a rom that has hold volume for ff or rw, you'll have double usage of the buttons. On HTC devices, they work as intended (ff and rw actually ff and rw).
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Its because Apple made the 3rd pin on the headphone jack just a little lower so you can't use their headphones anywhere else except on an Apple device. It forces all the other OEM's to follow suit hence the "lack" of support for Android. Another silly game of having proprietary devices. Haven't you noticed that with there new "lightning" connector? The world is using microUSB Apple for goodness sake!
Because of that, I decided to drop the inline button management and went back to the old school way of doing things (manually), Klipsch Image X10's baby.
If I ever do decide to manage my music, I'll use a stereo bluetooth device with built-in audio controls.
Guys, I just bought these for $6.99, voila volume controls. Compared to the OEM ones that came with my friend's Sprint Note 2 and they are identical. Wish I could use my Klipsch over-ears but hey, these sound decent for the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AW0FR3561
Sorry to all if my message got lost by making my post too long. The really short version of it is you can have your cake and eat it too. Afaik, the volume controls/mic on Apple or Samsung or Htc earphones all do the same thing but in slightly different ways and don't influence the sound quality of the speakers. It is pretty easy to clip off the cheap earphones from a Note 2 compatible set and replace them with the higher quality earpieces of your choice. The hybrid earphones I made are identical as far as my ears can tell to the unaltered Apple ones. I am really happy with them. If I found another set with much better quality (not inear ones), I wouldn't hesitate to do the same again.
So, themyst, you could simply cut off the Klipsch earpieces and solder them on to a Samsung set of wires if you wanted to, though I would be cautious and try carefully opening an earpiece assembly first to verify that there are only two wires going to the speaker before cutting anything!
@[-]awkeye, I could be wrong here, but I really don't think the incompatibility of iPhone headphones with Android has anything to do with the 3rd pin of the plug. I attach below a photo of the Samsung earphone jack (left) right next to the Apple one (right) for you to look for yourself. I think they are both standard 4 pin plugs.
My audio engineer friend believed that the problem is a proprietary IC on the tiny circuit board that controls the switch and mic. The two different switches I guess send different amounts or types of current (have a different impedance?) back to the phone. My guess is that it should be possible to interpret the Apple signals within Android via a software fix of some kind, though it might have to be low level, ie part of the OS.
In any case, I have also read that Android earphones themselves don't follow any standard and that causes a further problem for third part manufacturers. The first and fourth pins for example have their wires swapped in some Android models. So the wires that lead to the pins can be different, the switches can be different, but the wires that lead to the speakers should all be the same, or at least that was the case for all the earphones I cut up. It's part of the reason I made this post -- to try to get more definitive answers on this whole subject. If anyone comes across a different speaker wiring design, I would be interested to know.
If you want true 'hands free', then go bluetooth style.
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Yes I agree, a bluetooth headset with volume controls would be great, even ideal, though personally I don't like the wrap around designs. I suppose they are made that way to work with jogging. Perhaps I could get used to it as long as it didn't cut off the outside sound like your typical in-ear buds. Ideal for me would just be unobtrusive speakers that fit in your ears without any wires, but then how would you control the volume etc?
There are bluetooth ear buds with noise cancellation as well as volume control.
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Sorry to all if my message got lost by making my post too long. The really short version of it is you can have your cake and eat it too. Afaik, the volume controls/mic on Apple or Samsung or Htc earphones all do the same thing but in slightly different ways and don't influence the sound quality of the speakers. It is pretty easy to clip off the cheap earphones from a Note 2 compatible set and replace them with the higher quality earpieces of your choice. The hybrid earphones I made are identical as far as my ears can tell to the unaltered Apple ones. I am really happy with them. If I found another set with much better quality (not inear ones), I wouldn't hesitate to do the same again.
So, themyst, you could simply cut off the Klipsch earpieces and solder them on to a Samsung set of wires if you wanted to, though I would be cautious and try carefully opening an earpiece assembly first to verify that there are only two wires going to the speaker before cutting anything!
@[-]awkeye, I could be wrong here, but I really don't think the incompatibility of iPhone headphones with Android has anything to do with the 3rd pin of the plug. I attach below a photo of the Samsung earphone jack (left) right next to the Apple one (right) for you to look for yourself. I think they are both standard 4 pin plugs.
My audio engineer friend believed that the problem is a proprietary IC on the tiny circuit board that controls the switch and mic. The two different switches I guess send different amounts or types of current (have a different impedance?) back to the phone. My guess is that it should be possible to interpret the Apple signals within Android via a software fix of some kind, though it might have to be low level, ie part of the OS.
In any case, I have also read that Android earphones themselves don't follow any standard and that causes a further problem for third part manufacturers. The first and fourth pins for example have their wires swapped in some Android models. So the wires that lead to the pins can be different, the switches can be different, but the wires that lead to the speakers should all be the same, or at least that was the case for all the earphones I cut up. It's part of the reason I made this post -- to try to get more definitive answers on this whole subject. If anyone comes across a different speaker wiring design, I would be interested to know.
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Interesting, but I don't have any plans cutting up my 100 headphones. I can't believe some manufacturer in China hasn't made Samsung / Android compatible control adapters yet!
I have the zagg buds and they seem to work granted no forward / back but the button will play/pause and mute when in calls.
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Guys, I just bought these for $6.99, voila volume controls. Compared to the OEM ones that came with my friend's Sprint Note 2 and they are identical. Wish I could use my Klipsch over-ears but hey, these sound decent for the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AW0FR3561
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Well, if you like Klipsch, there is an Android-friendly solution, the S4a which even has a companion app for controlling what the buttons do and various other things.
If you want to use your own conventional headphones, there are options that don't require any re-wiring. My N2 works very nicely with my Jabra Clipper, a Bluetooth device that comes with a mike and a 3.5mm socket. It allows you to use any earphones as both a media device and a phone headset. Just the opposite of having to re-wire the headset to your N2, this allows you to go wireless and keep your phone in a pants pocket or bag. Its battery recharges with the same microUSB connector as the N2's.
In fact, the earphones that come with the Clipper aren't too bad themselves. But I use the Clipper with pre-Android Klipsch S4 earphones and I'm very happy with the result.
Both the Clipper and the Klipsch S4a are widely available, including on eBay.
Neither the Jabra nor S4a have volume controls...
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Neither the Jabra nor S4a have volume controls...
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I have a Jabra Clipper and I use its volume controls all the time. Yours must be broken.
Actually, they're generic +/- controls (which the S4a has as well, as does the Sony MW600 which I have also owned). You can determine in software whether the buttons are used for volume or for previous/next. I use mine for volume.
el56, no, I don't have either - I was just wrong! Thanks for the clarification. This is the kind of info I was hoping to hear about. If we get some more, I'll add a list to the thread (Volume enabled earphones). I've looked at the Klipsch (S4a) in the stores several times but never saw it out of the package and was under the impression it had no volume controls. It looked like it had one button to me, and actually I wasn't all that interested in them anyway. I'd bought a pair (S4i?) for my iPhone a year or so ago and wasn't impressed with the sound - they sounded tinny to me. I wondered in fact if they were defective but I didn't take it further. But more importantly they were the in-ear type which I can't use for long stretches or for phone calls.
I guess I didn't understand what the Jabra was, and I never even heard of the Sony, so thanks for pointing them out also. If I get it now, they are really a different category device - not earphones, but sending units that they plug into. I particularly like the idea of having an FM radio (which I guess comes with the Sony). How does the mic work though? If it's part of the unit and not on the wires, isn't it awkward to hold that up to your mouth. Nevertheless it looks worth trying out. So far, yours is the best response I've gotten to this post! Thanks again.