If you have a Pure Edition on AT&T how is your data reception? Is your LTE better or worse? Do you have a harder time holding onto LTE and you are dropping down to +HSPA more often? Is your dBM lower on the Pure Edition? Or do you find the Pure Edition to have great reception?
I have not noticed any worse reception with LTE on my Pure Edition, coming from a Developer Edition Gen 1 Moto X. As far as I can tell my data connection is fine... and might actually be a little faster. But that could just be the faster device itself.
This is, of course, after I called AT&T to actually get access to the LTE network - at first I was stuck on HSPA and couldn't get any data, including Snapchat downloads. That took about 45 minutes online with a rep to give them my IMEI (I think that's all they needed) but it was completely painless and they might have fixed that issue already. The only reason I knew about it was due to a thread I saw either here or on reddit, but thankfully I saw that before I realized my data wasn't working.
Coming from a Nexus 5, my LTE reception is waaaay better. As much as I love the N5, its radios are definitely not one of its better qualities. Motorola is known for having among the best radios in the business, and of all the devices I've owned, both Moto X's have had the best reception.
Thanks. I bought a pure edition through swappa. I has always had great luck with Motorola and reception. I was just nervous because the Nexus 5 had terrible data reception for me and even the GPE HTC One was sub par compared to the AT&T version.
Reception has been great. Best of any phone I have ever owned.
I love the LTE reception on AT&T compared to my Nexus 5. I did notice today when i went to an area with crappy signal my phone didnt have any data. It kept showing LTE bars but i wasnt able to load any sites. I then had to force it to use 3G to get any data connection.
Anyone have similar issues?
I ordered a Pure Edition due to the Cyber Monday Sale and the fact that I have been reading a lot about the Engineering Motorola put into the radios in this device.
To prevent this becoming a primer on Antenna tuning and Impedance, suffice it to say Motorola developed their own custom antennae tuner for the Moto X, electing to not go with the Qualcomm offering. The take away here is that this special antennae tuner is capable of actually detecting capacitance changes at the antenna and adjusting the impedance accordingly.
So, one of my biggest reasons for moving from the Nexus 5 to the Moto X 2014 Pure Edition was the antennae which should give me (in theory) far better reception than my Nexus 5.
I am glad to see from other posters that it may in reality give me better reception on at&t, not just theory.
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After 9 painful months of using an HTC 8X windows phone (the pain was in the OS, not the phone) I was ready to get a new android phone. Finally there were new releases and picked up a moto x. While I like the phone and availability of apps I was missing, the signal quality is no where near that of the HTC 8X. This is both in phone call quality and 4G data reception.
So, has anyone else noticed this, or experiencing similar symptoms?
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My reception has been better on this phone than all of my previous ones. That includes literally every flagship that Sprint and AT&T have had since the HTC Hero. Motorola is famous for their radio quality. Not sure what's going on in your case but I know the vast majority of Moto X owners are quite pleased with it in this regard.
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I have a Verizon Moto X and while in use, the reception is fine, I'm wondering how they decide to show their bars. I've NEVER seen this thing have a full 5 bars. I can be 3 feet from my network extender, and its 2 bars. It works fine, voice is clear, LTE with 3-4 bars is in the 30mbit range, but it has never hit 5 bars.
As a preface, I'm in northeast NJ. I had been on a family plan on 4.4 for about three weeks on AT&T and the service reception was excellent (usually 3-4 bars LTE). Switched to tmo last week and still only saw a drop of one bar in LTE (2-3, sometimes 4). With 4.4.1 and the new baseband, I'm getting pretty poor reception - mostly 1 or 2 bars.
Is anybody else noticing a drop in LTE connectivity on the tmo prepaid plain, especially in the northeast? And is it safe to flash the 4.4 radio just to see if that improves my signal?
I'm on Long Island. On T-Mobile for a month, switched from Verizon. I saw a drop in LTE by bars but no real change in subjective decrease in reception. I haven't seen a noticeable change since I flashed rooted 4.4.1 but I flashed the radio at the same time. I've had no issues related to flashing the update.
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I'm not convinced the bars indicated mean all that much. I prefer to compare using a something like ookla speed test
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ce=stnet&utm_medium=mobile&utm_campaign=stnet
once you have several "base" tests at your most common destinations (home/work) feel free to flash diff radio to see if your signal improves.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2514095
I'm reasonably confident that Google/LG did not push out the OTA update to 4.4 that is worst than the previous radio, not on purpose - and single out the T-Mo prepaid users. Those signal bars by itself, as poster above said, are meaningless - I look at dBm and asu figures to try to sort out the changes as we have 3 prepaid T-Mo lines in our house including 1 on PAYG and no data, mostly for WiFi calling. I also have an AT&T Gophone line and will check it out via one of the two Nexus 5, both are now on 4.4.1 but spliting the radio.
I can easily roll back one of the 16G device to 4.4 to look at more specific results or measurements, instead of the indicator bars alone. Now that Mrs. L is home with her white Panda, we are seeing a subtle difference but insignificant one, but both download & upload speed had dropped - regardless of which radio was used, on the newest KOT19E 4.4.1 rom. I have an unconfirmed suspicion that T-Mo engineers have been tweaking their tower's signals across the board on either the hardware or software level, or both, and making adjustments since some of the "hyper" speed that we are enjoying are bandwidth hogs - imagine the drain for one tower resulting from a few dozens Nexus 5 streaming youtube or tethering ... We might be seeing some sort of throttling on their backend & we should consider looking into all directions to help explain what some of the posts are now saying.
Has anyone on T-Mo with official tethering on their plan spoke to tech support & get a trouble ticket going ... it seemed that we are just barking at Google, just my two cents for what it's worth.
Wow I am not a happy camper reading this http://phandroid.com/2014/09/20/verizon-moto-x-launch-without-simultaneous-voice-data/ can anyone else confirm this is in fact the case?
Does it only have one radio that does CDMA and LTE, rather than two separate ones or something? I was so hopeful to get a Moto X, unlike most people I do a lot of calling & relaying data, making appointments, etc on the phone. I've been struggling with my Galaxy S3 reception for the past 2 years I was hoping Motorola legendary reception would be my salvation but it's looking like that might not be the case. Right now with my GS3 I get 1bar of LTE, if I go downstairs I get 2 bars of 3G. I know Samsung receptions blows chunks but would Moto be that much better to hold on to LTE? IT seems like basically if I want MOTO X I have to live without simultaneous voice/data or update to advance calling 1.0 and risk having important calls drop if I go from LTE to 3G. Say can anyone here recommend another phone that has good reception reviewers don't seem to measure that spec anymore. Thanks
Here is from Verizon's Advanced Calling 1.0 FAQ.
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won’t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
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All the article is saying is phones will have a software update to make it work. It won't be included from the start. That is for all phones on their network currently. Plus, the FAQ that you read, I bet that's for all phones as well
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All the article is saying is phones will have a software update to make it work. It won't be included from the start. That is for all phones on their network currently. Plus, the FAQ that you read, I bet that's for all phones as well
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I think you missed the point. It says that the 2014 X did its antenna(s) differently such that you NEED VoLTE to be able to have simultaneous voice and data. Plus VoLTE only works on LTE, so it seems to imply that you can't have simultaneous voice/data on 3g. Plus OP is concerned about dropped calls when losing 4G coverage
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I think you missed the point. It says that the 2014 X did its antenna(s) differently such that you NEED VoLTE to be able to have simultaneous voice and data. Plus VoLTE only works on LTE, so it seems to imply that you can't have simultaneous voice/data on 3g. Plus OP is concerned about dropped calls when losing 4G coverage
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I see... How strange, but I'm on T-Mobile so I don't think I'll have that problem
But the way Motorola did the antenna is just making it on the outside of the phone right? iPhone did that, so it should be ok?
edit: the article is a bit confusing imo. and here's quote from the article:
The new Moto X isn’t being singled out here, this change and requirement will be coming to future Verizon phones as well.
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so in the future, you may be ok
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I think it's unacceptable that in 2014 in order to "take advantage" of simultaneous voice and data you have to run the potential risk of dropped calls and/or potential call audio quality! And Verizon's suggestion to avoid dropped calls?? Turn off advance calling, but oh, don't forget to switch it back on to take advantage of video chatting!! That is a ridiculous "solution"!!!
I'm not a huge user of simultaneous voice and data, so simply turning off the advance calling feature is a possibility for me. But I think this is going to affect a lot of folks and ruin their user experience with the X! Hopefully folks are well informed about this prior to their purchase or they figure it out before their 14 day exchange period expires! But I can see the Verizon reps now telling people complaining about no simultaneous voice and data "Oh, an update will soon fix that" and "failing" to mention the potential woes that Advanced Calling 1.0 pose
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I think it's unacceptable that in 2014 in order to "take advantage" of simultaneous voice and data you have to run the potential risk of dropped calls and/or potential call audio quality! And Verizon's suggestion to avoid dropped calls?? Turn off advance calling, but oh, don't forget to switch it back on to take advantage of video chatting!! That is a ridiculous "solution"!!!
I'm not a huge user of simultaneous voice and data, so simply turning off the advance calling feature is a possibility for me. But I think this is going to affect a lot of folks and ruin their user experience with the X! Hopefully folks are well informed about this prior to their purchase or they figure it out before their 14 day exchange period expires! But I can see the Verizon reps now telling people complaining about no simultaneous voice and data "Oh, an update will soon fix that" and "failing" to mention the potential woes that Advanced Calling 1.0 pose
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Once I realized there is no LTE to 3G handoff I am getting really worried. I bounce between LTE and 3G all the time on my moto x and note 3 around where I live.
On Verizon choose either voice+data, or no dropped calls. Maybe it's time to choose AT&T.
Well I just bought an OG Moto X off eBay just tide me over for a year. That way I can evaluate the reception & see what direction I want to go. If I get good reception and it holds a LTE signal it. I figure the new Moto-X will have the same if not better reception. If its good I'll buy the new one next year if not...I don't know what I'll do.
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Well I just bought an OG Moto X off eBay just tide me over for a year. That way I can evaluate the reception & see what direction I want to go. If I get good reception and it holds a LTE signal it. I figure the new Moto-X will have the same if not better reception. If its good I'll buy the new one next year if not...I don't know what I'll do.
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This will be the new norm on Verizon ... So until they saturate the ENTIRE country in 4G (is this even possible?), I'd image calls dropping will be an issue for someone, somewhere. Yeah, eventually as Verizon continues to build their network those effected will be few and far between, but I'd imagine that it'll take a while. Knowing big red's arrogance, they'll be known concerned with those effected ...
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edit: the article is a bit confusing imo. and here's quote from the article:
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The new Moto X isn’t being singled out here, this change and requirement will be coming to future Verizon phones as well.
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Yeah, the article isn't really focused on what I assume the OP is upset about (which is that the new X won't support simultaneous data/voice in the same way other (older) phones do).
From the article:
Simultaneous voice and data has been available on most Android phones by coming equipped with two separate radios and maintaining separate connections to the 1x and EVDO or LTE networks. Verizon’s upcoming Moto X (2nd gen), set to launch on September 26th, will handle simultaneous voice and data quite differently from previous Android phones.
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The key point here is that the 2014 X will not have separate LTE and 3g/CDMA radios.
It's not really a huge deal overall - the iPhones on vzw never had separate radios and every phone pre-4g obviously didn't either.
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Yeah, the article isn't really focused on what I assume the OP is upset about (which is that the new X won't support simultaneous data/voice in the same way other (older) phones do).
From the article:
The key point here is that the 2014 X will not have separate LTE and 3g/CDMA radios.
It's not really a huge deal overall - the iPhones on vzw never had separate radios and every phone pre-4g obviously didn't either.
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the wording is off in the article (unless my interpretation is really bad). how i interpreted the line "Verizon’s upcoming Moto X (2nd gen), set to launch on September 26th, will handle simultaneous voice and data quite differently from previous Android phones" meant that since that phone is "certified (in Verizon's eyes?)" to have VoLTE, of course it will be handled differently. and that goes for future phones as well
the reason i interpreted it like that is i continued reading the article, and it explains the whole software update to activate VoLTE and all that stuff
i really hope that this article is wrong
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I see... How strange, but I'm on T-Mobile so I don't think I'll have that problem
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The Pure/Tmobile does not have Voice over LTE. Go into a LTE are and make a call. Its drops to just 4G(HSPA+).
Maybe a software update will/can change that later, but right now there is no VoLTE on the Moto X.
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The Pure/Tmobile does not have Voice over LTE. Go into a LTE are and make a call. Its drops to just 4G(HSPA+).
Maybe a software update will/can change that later, but right now there is no VoLTE on the Moto X.
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I think T-Mobile has to setup VoLTE on the network side. It isn't available right now
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Honestly, VoLTE isn't that important right now, not many people still have that feature. All it is better call sound quality and connect faster.
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Well, I just got my Moto X 2014 yesterday and discovered I can't be on the phone and use data at the same time. I called Verizon thinking maybe my SIM was having trouble or something...then, found this thread. I'm fairly irritated by this as this is a feature I use quite often. Wonder how long it'll be before they push the update allowing simultaneous voice and data? I suppose I'll switch back to my 1st Gen Moto X until then... too bad.
I am used to this coming from an iPhone on Verizon. However I noticed today that this is not a real issue for me, cause as long as I have Wifi I can still check data etc.
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I am used to this coming from an iPhone on Verizon. However I noticed today that this is not a real issue for me, cause as long as I have Wifi I can still check data etc.
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To each their own. I use voice/data simultaneously constantly. As a GM for a large construction company, I have customers, employees, and subcontractors calling constantly needing information that I can only provide with an internet connection. If I'm traveling and using my phone's hotspot feature, but then get a call, I'm screwed. I have to hang up with the the caller, lookup the data/information, & then call them back and hope they don't ask me for some other piece of information. I'll be looking forward to this update.
Oh I could for sure see that being an issue. Hopefully the update comes soon
Ah, dang. I just read Moto only has one modem inside the Moto X. Damn Verizon for not updating the patch for simultaneous voice/data. Probably working out a new patch so we will have a harder time to root.
I have couple of questions to those who already got it. Basically, here's the scoop. I switched my account over to Verizon (3 lines). Rep really messed up by promising stuff they couldn't deliver on and as a result we ended up getting super good deal. I 30gb of web for $230/mo along with first bill covered + $550 credit by month 3. That's including 3 financed phones (2xiPhone 6+ and Droid Turbo). Now, I really am not liking the 6+ and I have two more days to go back to T-Mobile. The Droid Turbo does not have VZW new Vocie 1.0 thing with Voice + Data at the same time and Voice quality on it is terrible when compared to T-Mobile HD Voice, or even iPhones. So I am definitely wanting a Nexus 6 device. I could get it from T-Mobile and use on Verizon or use it on T-Mobile. Both carriers have really good service for the most part here (Atlanta). Verizon does have killer speeds in some cases, but T-Mobile seems more consistent. Now, I do go to DC sometimes but it is rare for me to have issues there on T-Mobile.
So, given how crappy voice quality is on Verizon without new Voice 1.0, I am assuming I will have same issues with the nexus 6? I already know that it does not have Voice + Data, but do you think it ever will? I have read that all Nexus 6 units are identical, so if Verizon releases Nexus 6 and pushes the Voice + Data update to it, will the version purchased through T-Mobile get it?
Also, as far as using it on T-Mobile. I went to the store to play with a demo today and it was on LTE. When I make a call it switches to 4G, is that always the case? I know that when I had iPhone 5s on T-Mobile it did that but the iPhone 6 kept LTE during a call.
Thanks!
It could just depend on the way it's set up. Iphones will show LTE instead of 4G even though it may be on 4G. I verified this on my friends iPhone 5s when it updated to ios 8 it would show LTE in places where he would always get 4G
Hi everyone, waiting for my Nexus to get shipped from the GPS but I've seen some anecdotal reports on here and the Android Central forums about the signal strength not being so great on this phone. Specifically, some people report that their LG Nexus 5 shows a better signal in dB (not just bars) than their Nexus 6.
I'm a little concerned about this. I relocated just over a year ago to an area where I don't have the best coverage with Verizon at my work. At that time, I had a Galaxy S3 which had terrible radios where I literally had no coverage in many places. I upgraded to an S4 and had no issues since then although my wife's Note 3 seems to do slightly better getting LTE when I drop to 3G. Was looking forward to getting this phone as it will be my first Motorola and I've always read that Moto has some of the best radios (also read LG and Apple do too). Not gonna turn this into a Note 4 vs Nexus 6 thread because that one already exists and is a hot mess but I've been reading that the signal strength on the Note 4 is really good.
I have a ship date of 11/26 so I guess I'll find out soon enough but just wondering what people's experience has been with the Nexus 6.
Thanks!
I'm curious about this as well, I have a Nexus 4 and find its radios to be more powerful than my siblings and gfs Nexus 5s.
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Mine has about the same reception if not a little better than my G3. Att is really bad where I live but I usually have LTE except for a few places but its much better than my wife's S5
i think people just get too caught up in graphical representations of signal (i.e. signal bars). Different phones and carriers show different things for the same level of actual signal. In my experience on T-Mobile on Long Island/ NYC - i get as good if not better signal than i did with my nexus 5. There are a few spots where i had no signal with my nexus 5 that i now get a stable weak signal with the nexus 6. To me, it really has been as good or better, but certainly not worse. With that said, graphically spots where the nexus 5 said i had full bars of service (5/5), the N6 reports as having (4/5), but the service is the same. Speed tests and dbm all match up, so i can just assume it's the way it's being displayed.
The sony Z3 I had had the same dbm that the Nexus 6 is showing in my office, but the visual bars on the Nexus 6 show as being lower. I haven't had any slower speeds anywhere with the Nexus 6 so far. One thing I have noticed is that I'm not getting 4G while on the phone the majority of the time. I haven't had that be an issue in the past. I'm on T-Mobile.
Now THIS is something that I have really been wanting to know. The fact that I too have heard about how good Moto's radios have been in the past really got my hopes up for this phone. I currently rock an AT&T Note 3. And IDK if I just got a lemon, or if Samsung really did throw the cheapest POS radio in their last year flagship phone. But of all the android phones I have owned (Sony, HTC, Moto, samsung) this one gets hands down the worst signal strength I have ever had. Further more, I make it a habbit to compare this thing to every other AT&T phone I can, from friends and family. And not one of them has ever had worse signal strength than I. The closest one had about -3dB less than mine. Most had -5 or even -10dB better. Even after flashing every single AT&T radio firmware, different cases, it still is just terrible. Right now sitting in my house it is at -100 and showing 3 bars. I work as a drive tester for cell towers, and my test phone is a sprint Nexus 5. So I cant compare it to my note, being on a different network.
But on to the topic of the N6, since it has radios for pretty much every network, would that mean that said radios are of a lesser quality? I had really hoped that this phone would blow my Note 3 out of the water on AT&T. Honestly, even if it isn't as good as other Moto phones, it still has to be better than my Note 3. Even dads S5 active and moms S4 get much better signal strength numbers than mine. Forgive me for asking this, but is this something that can be improved within the dev community with some flashing, or is it just a hardware limitation?
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Now THIS is something that I have really been wanting to know. The fact that I too have heard about how good Moto's radios have been in the past really got my hopes up for this phone. I currently rock an AT&T Note 3. And IDK if I just got a lemon, or if Samsung really did throw the cheapest POS radio in their last year flagship phone. But of all the android phones I have owned (Sony, HTC, Moto, samsung) this one gets hands down the worst signal strength I have ever had. Further more, I make it a habbit to compare this thing to every other AT&T phone I can, from friends and family. And not one of them has ever had worse signal strength than I. The closest one had about -3dB less than mine. Most had -5 or even -10dB better. Even after flashing every single AT&T radio firmware, different cases, it still is just terrible. Right now sitting in my house it is at -100 and showing 3 bars. I work as a drive tester for cell towers, and my test phone is a sprint Nexus 5. So I cant compare it to my note, being on a different network.
But on to the topic of the N6, since it has radios for pretty much every network, would that mean that said radios are of a lesser quality? I had really hoped that this phone would blow my Note 3 out of the water on AT&T. Honestly, even if it isn't as good as other Moto phones, it still has to be better than my Note 3. Even dads S5 active and moms S4 get much better signal strength numbers than mine. Forgive me for asking this, but is this something that can be improved within the dev community with some flashing, or is it just a hardware limitation?
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Some radios worked a little better on my note 3 but some were worse ...it was a crap shoot. ....but none were far and away better ....like you my note 3 got horrible signal on sprint ....g3 was worse for me so this has to be better lol
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Some radios worked a little better on my note 3 but some were worse ...it was a crap shoot. ....but none were far and away better ....like you my note 3 got horrible signal on sprint ....g3 was worse for me so this has to be better lol
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Haha I am not alone! Well, here's to better signal in the N6!!!
Seems to me that the nexus 6 reports low signal as time without signal. Hasn't been an issue here as I'm always connected to lte even in places I'd drop to 3g
So anything new on Signal? I'm trying to buy a Nexus6 but haven't been able to on Verizon. Hope there is some good news there has been a lot of bad.
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So anything new on Signal? I'm trying to buy a Nexus6 but haven't been able to on Verizon. Hope there is some good news there has been a lot of bad.
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Best and most consistent connection/speeds of any device I've owned on Verizon.
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Make sure when u unlock your device that you change your cellular networks to LTE. When I unlock my device I wasn't getting no cell signal or phone call and I noticed my networks were set at ( Global ) so I switched it back to LTE.
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Make sure when u unlock your device that you change your cellular networks to LTE. When I unlock my device I wasn't getting no cell signal or phone call and I noticed my networks were set at ( Global ) so I switched it back to LTE.
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What Carrier are you on?
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What Carrier are you on?
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Tmobile
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Tmobile
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I'm on Verizon and really doesn't make much difference on my Droid Maxx. Maybe its something in 5.0. I gotta give it a shot can always send it back if I can ever get one. Pisses me off I got the money for the phone and I can't buy it. Maybe that's some kind of sign. lol
I get a little better signal than my wife's Note 4 in the same locations. She has an otterbox commuter case on though and I'm still running around naked.
I have similar experiences with my N6, or had. I've only had it for 2 days though, but I was having signal drop out and 3g/LTE switching a lot yesterday. I changed my APN protocol to IPV4/IPV6 instead of IPV6 and today its been fine. I don't know if that actually had anything to do with it or not, but thought I'd share. I think its just a coincidence and for some reason my signal just decided to work better. Worth a shot.
So I changed to LTE and now I don't have a global option.... I travel internationally for work very expensively (T-Mobile free worldwide data ftw) and had found previously on my Nexus 5 that I needed to be on global for it to work anywhere else...
Any ideas here?
When there's a CDMA SIM in the phone (Verizon/Sprint), it shows the global option where it can use both CDMA and GSM networks. When there's a GSM SIM in the phone (Tmo, AT&T, etc.), it seems to go into GSM-only mode (no need to display global, which seems to mean GSM+CDMA in the Nexus 6's case).
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So I changed to LTE and now I don't have a global option.... I travel internationally for work very expensively (T-Mobile free worldwide data ftw) and had found previously on my Nexus 5 that I needed to be on global for it to work anywhere else...
Any ideas here?
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When there's a CDMA SIM in the phone (Verizon/Sprint), it shows the global option where it can use both CDMA and GSM networks. When there's a GSM SIM in the phone (Tmo, AT&T, etc.), it seems to go into GSM-only mode (no need to display global, which seems to mean GSM+CDMA in the Nexus 6's case).
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Interesting change from the Nexus 5. Previously, I had to be sure global was selected overseas as opposed to just LTE, so you can see why I was originally concerned. Good to know. Thanks for the info man!