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Sorry if this has been asked before but will buying the nexus 6 through tmobile(to make payments) be the same version as the google play one. I dont want all that tmobile bloatware on it but never bought a nexus via a carrier?
At this point no one has any idea, phones not even out
I got my nexus 5 at T-Mobile.. Its stock no bloatware. Even came in a google branded box. I highly doubt they would add bloatware as it would slow the update process if each carrier had its bloat on their own version.
^ yup. I bought my N4 from tmobile directly. It was stock android goodness, no tmobile my account crap on it at all lol
xxfirerican said:
Sorry if this has been asked before but will buying the nexus 6 through tmobile(to make payments) be the same version as the google play one. I dont want all that tmobile bloatware on it but never bought a nexus via a carrier?
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Nexus never comes with carrier bloat.
shook187 said:
At this point no one has any idea, phones not even out
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At this point everyone noticed you have never owned a nexus.
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Galaxy Nexus for Sprint and Verizon had bloatware iirc
Nexus devices through T-Mobile never go through any sort of carrier tampering. Others I cannot comment on but T-Mobile has a strict and well established relationship with Google with the carrier sale of these devices.
The fact that T-Mobile is working with Google Engineers to make Wi-Fi Calling work with their help is insisting they will not tamper with the OS on their end, that if they want anything done they will do it through the official arm of Google Engineers.
T-Mobile is likely the safest carrier to buy a Nexus device from, count on it.
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Nexus never comes with carrier bloat.
At this point everyone noticed you have never owned a nexus.
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lol this guy
I'm assuming you never bought a Galaxy Nexus on Sprint or Verizon.
At this point nobody has any idea whether carriers will add bloat to the Nexus 6. It's foolish to believe they wouldn't try...and considering the carriers have never really sold Nexus devices without it, the question is whether Google won out and got the carriers to sell the devices without it or the carriers won out.
I had the nexus 5 through sprint and there was not any bloat added. Just pure google greatness
I'm hoping it's a bit of Good/Bad News. Bad news being that YES, the carriers will auto-install crap, but that it is easily removable (hopefully) But knowing AT&T (not the OP's concern) they'll screww their customers.
Ars Technica Article http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...talks-to-android-execs-about-the-upcoming-os/
Setup in Lollipop is also taking on the responsibility of pre-installed carrier apps (aka crapware) with a new feature called "Play Auto Install." Rather than permanently storing carrier apps on the system partition, which currently is the only way to have apps persist across device wipes, Play Auto Install will download carrier apps during the setup process. This will put them in the data partition and allow them to be completely uninstalled by users. The download process then allows carriers to change the apps they would like to preload on a device without having to issue a system update. Pre-installed apps on carrier-controlled devices are never going away, but with Play Auto Install, Google is giving both sides more options. Everyone wins—assuming carriers stop installing things on the system partition.
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I'm hoping it's a bit of Good/Bad News. Bad news being that YES, the carriers will auto-install crap, but that it is easily removable (hopefully) But knowing AT&T (not the OP's concern) they'll screww their customers.
Ars Technica Article http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...talks-to-android-execs-about-the-upcoming-os/
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That quote doesn't say the nexus 6 will have bloat.
Des on Twitter said it's unlocked and no bloat.
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mk92595 said:
That quote doesn't say the nexus 6 will have bloat.
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No it doesn't, but since we were just guessing, the article is showing that Google has developed an additional, albeit easier, built-in means of installing the carrier bloat. As for AT&T, their corporate culture is to lock them down and install crapware, so I'm not too optimistic that I would get a pure Nexus. I'm just hopeful that AT&T would take the easy and faster route by using the built-in Google process and that it would be removable.
pfft, damn AT&T
I'm on T-Mobile, and would prefer to buy it from them because I can just pay it month by month or if I want, more each month. You guys get it.
Anyways, are the phones the exact same on the Google Play store and buying it straight from T-Mobile?
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I'm on T-Mobile, and would prefer to buy it from them because I can just pay it month by month or if I want, more each month. You guys get it.
Anyways, are the phones the exact same on the Google Play store and buying it straight from T-Mobile?
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Its also important to note that all review devices that were sent out were all T-Mobile versions due to the manual, insinuating that Google's main stock is likely indistinguishable from T-Mobile's stock of the N6 in terms of "differences" between. Also the head Product Manager at T-Mobile confirmed that there will be no carrier bloat or tampering with their stock of the N6.
Buying from T-Mobile is the safest carrier when it comes to Nexus devices. They have never tampered with Nexus devices before and its going to be the same for this Nexus.
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Its also important to note that all review devices that were sent out were all T-Mobile versions due to the manual, insinuating that Google's main stock is likely indistinguishable from T-Mobile's stock of the N6 in terms of "differences" between. Also the head Product Manager at T-Mobile confirmed that there will be no carrier bloat or tampering with their stock of the N6.
Buying from T-Mobile is the safest carrier when it comes to Nexus devices. They have never tampered with Nexus devices before and its going to be the same for this Nexus.
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This is great because we potentially walk into store and pick up the N6 earlier than Google play delivery. One thing I worry about is any difference in CID that may delay OTAs? Is it the consensus here that besides that piece of manual, the phones are identical?
mehdi_s82 said:
This is great because we potentially walk into store and pick up the N6 earlier than Google play delivery. One thing I worry about is any difference in CID that may delay OTAs? Is it the consensus here that besides that piece of manual, the phones are identical?
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The Nexus 5 I got from T-Mobile received the same exact updates and used the same exact software as the Play Store version. The only difference was the T-Mobile logo on the box, and with reviewers receiving a mix of carrier / unlocked devices when it comes to the Nexus 6 it looks like Google is treating them as identical as well.
So, is the N6 that T-Mobile sells unlocked just like the one they sell at the Play Store?
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So, is the N6 that T-Mobile sells unlocked just like the one they sell at the Play Store?
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
Anyone know if t-mobile will sell the white version of the N6?
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Anyone know if t-mobile will sell the white version of the N6?
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Not right now, Only Blue is being sold online and in store at release. Perhaps down the road they might sell the white version but right now they are focused on selling only the Blue.
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/google-nexus-6.html
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
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I meant unlocked as in carrier unlocked. I know Nexus devices are ridiculously easy to unlock and root.
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Yep. Everything in the box is identical to the Play Store version except for the manual, which has a T-Mobile logo on it instead of the Nexus logo.
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Maybe...maybe not...if everything was identical, really identical, why would this reviewer's retail packaging have "GPE" as in Google Play Edition appended to the end of the model #? Would Motorola really have a separate model # just due to the manual?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go10RfUMSRA&feature=youtu.be&t=6s
(screencap appears 6 seconds in)
People keep getting hardware confused with firmware. The HARDWARE is going to be the same, but until we actually see the phone at T-Mobile, there's no way to know whether it will have the same FIRMWARE. They could quite easily have their own custom firmware (that may be nothing more than added bloat). I'm not saying that this will happen, but it could, and anyone who comes on here and says that it is definitely 100% identical in every way is making an assumption. That assumption may turn out to be true, but at this point, it is still an assumption, not a fact. The same is true for all of the other carriers too. If T-Mobile ends up not having their own firmware, that doesn't absolutely prove that, say, Verizon wont.
Having said that, it's a good sign that some review units seemed to be T-Mobile units, without additional bloat. But keep in mind that often "Review" units are pre-release units, and may not be the same as the final product. So, it still doesn't PROVE that the final T-Mobile units won't have different firmware.
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People keep getting hardware confused with firmware. The HARDWARE is going to be the same, but until we actually see the phone at T-Mobile, there's no way to know whether it will have the same FIRMWARE. They could quite easily have their own custom firmware (that may be nothing more than added bloat). I'm not saying that this will happen, but it could, and anyone who comes on here and says that it is definitely 100% identical in every way is making an assumption. That assumption may turn out to be true, but at this point, it is still an assumption, not a fact. The same is true for all of the other carriers too. If T-Mobile ends up not having their own firmware, that doesn't absolutely prove that, say, Verizon wont.
Having said that, it's a good sign that some review units seemed to be T-Mobile units, without additional bloat. But keep in mind that often "Review" units are pre-release units, and may not be the same as the final product. So, it still doesn't PROVE that the final T-Mobile units won't have different firmware.
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From the mouth of the head Product Manager at T-Mobile.
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From the mouth of the head Product Manager at T-Mobile.
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Assuming that ends up being true, and they don't change their mind at the last minute (which would certainly be very unlike T-Mobile), then the OP question seems answered. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the other carriers yet, but the OP didn't ask about them.
Thanks for that, Dr Faustus.
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Assuming that ends up being true, and they don't change their mind at the last minute (which would certainly be very unlike T-Mobile), then the OP question seems answered. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the other carriers yet, but the OP didn't ask about them.
Thanks for that, Dr Faustus.
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If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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The reason it's been answered so many different ways is that people are really just guessing, or assuming that the same hardware means it will work. The reality is a bit different though.
If you'd said you wanted to take it to AT&T, I'd say it'd almost certainly work, but Verizon, like other CDMA carriers, has been known in the past to whitelist IMEI numbers, and refuse to activate units not on that list. Units sent to that carrier, units sent out directly from the manufacturer (e.g. warranty replacements), and units sent to contractual partners (like the Play Store) are always added to the whitelist. This is why you can be virtually certain that Play Store units will work on Verizon. (Although, as the 2013 version of the Nexus 7 showed, it may take some time.) However, there is enough history to seriously question whether units sent to other carriers will be allowed.
In truth, we simply don't know, and there's NO WAY to know until someone tries it.
Well, I understand the logic behind that. Wouldn't that mean that since most if not all of the test phones sent out were tmobile phones, the video showing that one working on verizon posted by Droid Life prove that it should work.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
Time will tell, I understand. I just want one so badly. I've never wanted to pay full retail for a phone so badly only to have it become unavailable immediately upon release.
The phone is unlocked unbranded and no bloat.
Why do people keep asking and debating and questioning?
@askdes has answered all this. If anybody would know, it would be him.
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amberkalvin said:
If everything said in this thread is true, and the phone is unlocked, I should be able to walk into a t-mobile on launch day and purchase one to use on Verizon. Correct?
I know that this has been answered several different ways and everyone keeps saying same phone, but just confirming... lol I want to be sure.
Thanks!
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Yes....and no.
It would work the same regardless of US Carrier as long as you have a working sim for that carrier to use in the N6.
BUT. And this is a pretty big BUT, T-Mobile stores have confirmed that they will NOT be selling the N6 straight out without contract. They will only sell the device with the intent of selling a plan/upgrade of current customers. Not an off contract purchase.
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You mean unlocked as in it can be used on multiple carriers and outside the country? Or unlocked as in the bootloader?
Because if its the former, YES. T-Mobile have sold Nexus devices under the guise of a "World Phone" before, stating that because its not locked by carrier or region it can be used with any Sim in any country depending if the service can support the radios the Nexus has.
If the latter is the question you mean, then technically YES. By default the Nexus devices have a locked bootloader, however its not secure and can be easily unlocked and rooted all the same. T-Mobile does not tamper with locking the bootloader on any of their devices and have not ever done so with the Nexus devices they have sold previously before. This just like previous Nexus hardware will be easy to unlock and root!
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Small correction. T-Mo will lock bootloaders of Sony devices only.
Found this on another thread on XDA. Are they finally going to let us Google Wallet? Or is this an April Fools joke?
https://www.gosoftcard.com/faq.html
thegamerdarkseid said:
Found this on another thread on XDA. Are they finally going to let us Google Wallet? Or is this an April Fools joke?
https://www.gosoftcard.com/faq.html
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I'm not sure what you're asking, Google Wallet already works on the N6, on Verizon. Which is nice because one year ago I lost tap and pay on GW on the GNex ...
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I'm not sure what you're asking, Google Wallet already works on the N6, on Verizon. Which is nice because one year ago I lost tap and pay on GW on the GNex ...
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Unless I have you confused with another poster, your N6 isn't Verizon branded right? Or it doesn't matter because it's a Nexus and not blocked like Verizon did with all their other phones that I've had.
thegamerdarkseid said:
Unless I have you confused with another poster, your N6 isn't Verizon branded right? Or it doesn't matter because it's a Nexus and not blocked like Verizon did with all their other phones that I've had.
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It wont matter and the user ur talking with has a branded verizon n6 but it doesnt matter. there was a posting I read that google had some agreements with some major carriers to use google wallet as well and I think they are going away with the verizon version. Dont quote me on the going away part
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It wont matter and the user ur talking with has a branded verizon n6 but it doesnt matter. there was a posting I read that google had some agreements with some major carriers to use google wallet as well and I think they are going away with the verizon version. Dont quote me on the going away part
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Okay, that's cool. Thanks for clearing that up as I always thought soft card was some BS anyway.
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Okay, that's cool. Thanks for clearing that up as I always thought soft card was some BS anyway.
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Heres another article on this. Its supposed to come preinstalled
http://allthingsd.com/20130917/with-ios-version-on-tap-new-google-wallet-for-android-moves-past-nfc/
Mine is VZ branded, though you wouldn't know looking at it
But as said, it wouldn't matter, Wallet was blocked until google made changes to it, and part of those changes last year removed tap and pay from the GNex ...
The N6 comes with Wallet, or ... mine downloaded it and installed and it's running fine at this time for me. (I have not yet unlocked, rooted, etc.)
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Mine is VZ branded, though you wouldn't know looking at it
But as said, it wouldn't matter, Wallet was blocked until google made changes to it, and part of those changes last year removed tap and pay from the GNex ...
The N6 comes with Wallet, or ... mine downloaded it and installed and it's running fine at this time for me. (I have not yet unlocked, rooted, etc.)
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It's all good just doing research till I jump in later this week.
I'm not concerned about getting a sim or the not getting credit on my account, because its not a vzw device.
My question is, is there anything else that would be different if i got the vzw version over the Google play version ? Like will my lte be the same speed/coverage? Will i get more reliability with the vzw version?
I plan to use completely stock since i got rid of my pc.
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I'm not concerned about getting a sim or the not getting credit on my account, because its not a vzw device.
My question is, is there anything else that would be different if i got the vzw version over the Google play version ? Like will my lte be the same speed/coverage? Will i get more reliability with the vzw version?
I plan to use completely stock since i got rid of my pc.
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they are exactly the same device. the ONLY difference is the Verizon logo on the Verizon bought one. and thats all that you should expect.
J.Guido85 said:
I'm not concerned about getting a sim or the not getting credit on my account, because its not a vzw device.
My question is, is there anything else that would be different if i got the vzw version over the Google play version ? Like will my lte be the same speed/coverage? Will i get more reliability with the vzw version?
I plan to use completely stock since i got rid of my pc.
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No difference, I have vzw version. One difference, vzw stamp on back cover $%&$
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
VZ on none VZ phone. Absolutely nothing different except no VZ logo which I don't miss one bit
Well, there's still a bit of difference - how Verizon treats your phone under the account .
I don't know if applying discounts to the account when trying to change plan characteristics are still a problem for non-Verizon Nexus 6 phones.
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Well, there's still a bit of difference - how Verizon treats your phone under the account .
I don't know if applying discounts to the account when trying to change plan characteristics are still a problem for non-Verizon Nexus 6 phones.
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Yeah but the device itself is what he asked about, Verizon support varies. I have a G Pad from VZW and bought a Nexus 7 2013 LTE. Swapped sim cards and went by Verizon store, they added it to my account with no questions. They were quite friendly about it.
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If I buy the unlocked from the Google store will Volte and Wifi calling work? I've known in the passed unlocked ones it didn't.
My google store stock unlocked pixel 3xl works with verizon volte and wifi calling. Visual voicemail does not work, most likely because I am on prepaid.
Do you have to do anything special for Verizon volte and wificalling or will putting a SIM in unlocked pixel 5 just work? I am coming from Pixel2 with volte but not wificalling
You have to enable both separately in the mobile network settings. I don't recall having to do anything on the carrier side.
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You have to enable both separately in the mobile network settings. I don't recall having to do anything on the carrier side.
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I was wondering about this, too. I just pre-ordered two unlocked Pixel 5s. I couldn't figure out why anyone would buy the Verizon version vs the unlocked. Is it just to avoid doing configuration like this?
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I was wondering about this, too. I just pre-ordered two unlocked Pixel 5s. I couldn't figure out why anyone would buy the Verizon version vs the unlocked. Is it just to avoid doing configuration like this?
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You can just roll it into your monthly bill and pay over 2 years. No further credit checks either. Bootloader will most likely be locked forever though so buyer beware if you are into root. And if you wait until black Friday you can probably get a BOGO deal of some sort.
flamadiddle said:
I was wondering about this, too. I just pre-ordered two unlocked Pixel 5s. I couldn't figure out why anyone would buy the Verizon version vs the unlocked. Is it just to avoid doing configuration like this?
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I went ahead and just preorderd the Pixel 5 Unlocked from google. Hope it works especially wifi calling.
Verizon's HD voice, volte and wifi calling work fine on my wifes unlocked Pixel 3 XL and my unlocked Pixel 4 XL. The unlocked Pixel 5 will probably be the same.
Volte and wifi calling work. Hd calling needs to be activated in your vzw account. Wifi calling works but has to have the radio turned off.
Now for the $64 dollar question: vzw has there own version and it seems Google's version won't do 5G on vzw. Why....?
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Now for the $64 dollar question: vzw has there own version and it seems Google's version won't do 5G on vzw. Why....?
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Where did you see that? I haven't seen anything about this.
Let me see if I can find the article...
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Let me see if I can find the article...
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That is incorrect.
It's still not clear what/if anything will be different between the Google store Pixel 5 and the VZW Pixel 5. Well other than one being carrier locked.
bobby janow said:
That is incorrect.
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If course it is. I haven't found the source of my comment yet.... Where's yours?
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If course it is. I haven't found the source of my comment yet.... Where's yours?
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You first. You claimed it.
You're claiming I'm incorrect. Prove me wrong instead of some of some adolescent I asked first, 2s a bigger number, bs.
I did claim it. Now as the prosecutor, it's your job to prove me wrong....
Do you get a conviction or what?
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You're claiming I'm incorrect. Prove me wrong instead of some of some adolescent I asked first, 2s a bigger number, bs.
I did claim it. Now as the prosecutor, it's your job to prove me wrong....
Do you get a conviction or what?
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Don't be silly. Do your research and find it. You were wrong what you said that's all this is about. Don't make a bigger deal than it is. No one is attacking you or prosecuting you. If you can prove your statement then I'll say sorry. Done here.
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It's still not clear what/if anything will be different between the Google store Pixel 5 and the VZW Pixel 5. Well other than one being carrier locked.
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This article was updated on Oct. 6th, hopefully it will answer your question. I can't even imagine that a Google version will not support everything, there would be no point.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/...networks-your-pixel-5-or-pixel-4a-5g-can-use/
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This article was updated on Oct. 6th, hopefully it will answer your question. I can't even imagine that a Google version will not support everything, there would be no point.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/...networks-your-pixel-5-or-pixel-4a-5g-can-use/
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The only difference mentioned in that article is with the 4a 5G unlocked vs Verizon edition. No mention of the Verizon Pixel 5.
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The only difference mentioned in that article is with the 4a 5G unlocked vs Verizon edition. No mention of the Verizon Pixel 5.
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I don't even know how I got involved with this discussion since I don't have 5G where I live but here I am anyway. So.. they actually do mention the Pixel 5 but as you say not the Verizon branded one. Reason being it doesn't matter whether you buy the P5 from VZW or not, they work identical. Here is the exact quote: "However, all U.S. Pixel 5 (model ID GD1YQ) and Verizon-sold Pixel 4a 5G (G6QU3) units will also be able to access high-band millimeter wave spectrum — supercharged throughput with extremely limited coverage." Which should probably put this part of the thread to rest.
As for wifi calling it was stated a few posts ago that you need to have the radio turned off for wifi calling to work. That is not the case, at least on my Google P4. Wifi calling is working whether or not I have the radio on or off. If the signal is good wifi calling is in effect.