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I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
maxawesome said:
I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
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Almost impossible since WP7 isn't open source.
(And it's not finished yet anyway.)
Also, Windows Mobile 7 =/= Windows Phone 7
My understanding is that Windows Phone 7 is to the WinMo platform what Centrino is to Intel-based notebooks, i.e. a set of required hardware to guarantee a certain experience.
Windows Mobile 7 (as in the OS itself) has been ported to the HTC HD2, right?
I just wondered if the same might not be possible now that the WinMo 7 SDK is out (not in final form, I know, but still...)??
winmo 7 won't run on hd2
timothydonohue said:
winmo 7 won't run on hd2
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
maxawesome said:
Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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It's a hell of a lot easier to port Android to a WinMo phone due to the fact that it's open source (hell, it's even been ported to iphone).
Getting any version of WinMo ported to Android would probably be possible, but incredibly difficult.
Ah, good point I hadn't thought of. I guess I just figured that even though WinMo isn't open source, enough of the hardware is common between devices these days so that drivers baked into WinMo would just work. Showing my novice, obviously.
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
I'm sure that nobody will bother:
1) It's going to prove VERY complicated, to say the least. Without "inside job" with the drivers, just plain impossible.
2) It's useless. If you're after Windows Phone 7 phones - just go and buy yourself one. Installing Android on it will be much easier than the other way around, and most probably it was already done.
Because of both of the points, it won't happen. There are reasonable challenges, and there are oh-so-stupid ones. And people mostly have lives. So if I were you, I wouldn't hold on to the hope, and would just go out and buy WinPhone 7.
Specifically for point 1: Microsoft certifies all the HW that is licensed to work with their OS, and all the drivers are made ONLY for this HW, and not for anything else. VERY CPU- and board-specific. Seeing that you have a Samsung phone, which doesn't have this HW or anything like it, I'd say that the chances of hell freezing over are higher than your phone getting Win7 port. Well, at least until your specific CPU (which happens, unlike most other SGS2 ones, to be of the "right" brand for Win7 phones) and phone motherboard (which might never become a base for Win7 phone) gets certified and has drivers done for it - happens only if exactly the same base will be used for Win7 phone - and Microsoft outsourcing them. I'd bet my money on hell freezing over
Im sure you have all seen the amazing customizable capabilities of the HTC HD2.
Being able to run, WinMo, Android, Windows 95/98 and now even (a limited version of) Windows Phone 7; as well as being able to dual boot between the fist two.
Just wondering...Do you think that this level of functionality and custom booting will ever come the the Brand new Device, the HD7 (HD3).
We all want the best from our smartphones and should have the choice, like personal computers, to install whatever OS or OS's we want.
WindowsLP said:
Im sure you have all seen the amazing customizable capabilities of the HTC HD2.
Being able to run, WinMo, Android, Windows 95/98 and now even (a limited version of) Windows Phone 7; as well as being able to dual boot between the fist two.
Just wondering...Do you think that this level of functionality and custom booting will ever come the the Brand new Device, the HD7 (HD3).
We all want the best from our smartphones and should have the choice, like personal computers, to install whatever OS or OS's we want.
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yes I think so , but in lets say 2 years
Well fair enough
Im probs gonna get a HD2 as well.
I bought the hd7 other week, quite disappointed at how little I can manipulate it, fancy stuff don't get me wrong, but I was certainly looking forward to tampering with it, shame to find the only thing I can change about the phone is the sd-card from 8/16g to my current 32gig :'(
I am pretty open to ether one of the operation systems its just i never owned a android or an windows phone 7 my first smart phone was the touch pro 2 and that is dated now so i trying to step into something a little newer. I wan't to know which one is better hardware wise in which get a good quality of of updates
Rez757 said:
I am pretty open to ether one of the operation systems its just i never owned a android or an windows phone 7 my first smart phone was the touch pro 2 and that is dated now so i trying to step into something a little newer. I wan't to know which one is better hardware wise in which get a good quality of of updates
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hardware wise... the Galaxy S 4G will be 'superior' to any WP7 device.
with that said, however, to my knowledge, no WP7 phone requires such hardware.
the WP7 experience is superb on any WP7 device.
software wise... the HD7 with WP7 would be better, imho.
my experience with Android has always been sluggish no matter the hardware.
with WP7, however, i have used (HD7, Trophy, Surround, and the Arrive) the experience has always been superb.
edit. you might read this article...
it explains why WP7 devices don't have multi-core processors, supporting my opinion about the hardware and software.
just my two cents and opinion.
sh4d0w86.
Windows Phone 7 is more stable and faster than android
however android applications is much more than wp7 , so far
it is almost a year now with my HD7 and I never had any kind of problem and I'm very satisfyed with the wp7
I'm heavy emails and multimedia user and for sure I can tel you that wp7 is the good choice
Hello guys,
I'm wondering whether my samsung focus sgh-i917 will have the apollo update,
can any body give us official certified answer?
Thanks in advance
Everyone WP7 device will "just" get the 7.8 update.
So i think your Samsung will also get 7.8.
I dont know if developers can port WP8 to WP7 Phones, because they got different cores. And even if they can, you can't update NFC or other HW specs ^^
oookaay,
many thanks for the info,
I quess that but I needed confirmation
I think WP8 UI screen will be great an enough for me until I upgrade to a high end HTC WP8 devise
From what Microsoft said and what has been reported, every phone that runs Mango (which I believe is every phone in existence, except perhaps the Taylor) will get the 7.8 update. They've also stated that they're bypassing the carrier's to deliver this update, so literally every phone should be able to install it.
As for porting Windows Phone 8 to older devices, I don't really see the point. Yes, there are some nice additional software features, but so far most of the major announcements have been hardware related. Since you can't add NFC, a higher resolution screen, a Micro SD slot, etc to current phones, it's hardly worth it to port Windows 8. You get the most important software update, the new start screen, with 7.8.
I have to point this out. When Apple announces that iOS 5 can run on the 3 most recent iPhones, they aren't being completely honest. Yes, something called iOS 5 runs on those three devices, but the older of the two only get a subset of the features of the newest iPhone. Microsoft is doing the same thing with Windows Phone 8 and 7.8. They're just being more honest about what version older phones can run.
revxx14 said:
From what Microsoft said and what has ..., a Micro SD slot, etc to current phones, it's hardly worth it to port Windows 8....
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Samsung Focus can be a great device for this port as it has a micro sd card slot.:laugh:
Great News,
At least the WP8 start screen will be there, I loved it very much,
revxx14 said:
... something called iOS 5 runs on those three devices, but the older of the two only get a subset of the features of the newest iPhone. Microsoft is doing the same thing with Windows Phone 8 and 7.8. They're just being more honest about what version older phones can run.
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Very true! I wish the apple fanboys and those bashing Msft understand this simple logic
And I guess it's not going to be the start screen only, looks like there are going to be other features as well and will be announced shortly.
Hi:
I current have an HTC HD2 Telstra, and it came with Windows Mobile. Thanks to the brilliant folks at XDA, I have been successfully running Android, and every time I want to upgrade the type of Android I use, I simply replace the Android folder….simply brilliant.
So I now have no need for Windows Mobile, and am looking to do the same with Windows 8 and Android, and I am trying to find which phone out there is as versatile as the HTC HD2 Telstra, and comes with Windows Phone 8 installed.
How will I know which phone with Windows 8 installed will enable me to also install Android in the same fashion? If I could create the phone, it would be a 5” screen, Windows 8, and a lot of power. Anything close to that would be acceptable, but it must be Windows 8. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chaz
With Windows Phone 7 there was never a port of Android to any device and given that WP8 employs Secure Boot to make sure only verified OS-code is loaded and executed I highly doubt we will see anything similar to the HD2 with WP8. Aside from that no one would be able to say that beforehand.
No Windows Phones do what you want.
Why not just buy an Android phone if that's what you want (for some inexplicable reason)?
chazperx said:
Hi:
I current have an HTC HD2 Telstra, and it came with Windows Mobile. Thanks to the brilliant folks at XDA, I have been successfully running Android, and every time I want to upgrade the type of Android I use, I simply replace the Android folder….simply brilliant.
So I now have no need for Windows Mobile, and am looking to do the same with Windows 8 and Android, and I am trying to find which phone out there is as versatile as the HTC HD2 Telstra, and comes with Windows Phone 8 installed.
How will I know which phone with Windows 8 installed will enable me to also install Android in the same fashion? If I could create the phone, it would be a 5” screen, Windows 8, and a lot of power. Anything close to that would be acceptable, but it must be Windows 8. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chaz
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Why don't you just buy a galaxy note if you want android and 5" screen, why on earth would you want to buy a windows phone just to port android????
lumpaywk said:
Why don't you just buy a galaxy note if you want android and 5" screen, why on earth would you want to buy a windows phone just to port android????
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Because I can....lol I like the flexibility of running two different OS, and the additional apps I can use as a result. Keep in mind, I really don't need anything, but if its possible with WIN8 and Android....why wouldn't anyone want two OS on one phone?
chazperx said:
if its possible with WIN8 and Android
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Firstly, Windows 8 does not run on phones.
Secondly, Windows Phone 8 devices will not be able to run Android (thankfully).
Thirdly, no Android device will be able to run Windows Phone 8.
I think you will need 2 separate phones, or you will have to choose one or the other if you only want one phone.
tai4de2 said:
Firstly, Windows 8 does not run on phones.
Secondly, Windows Phone 8 devices will not be able to run Android (thankfully).
Thirdly, no Android device will be able to run Windows Phone 8.
I think you will need 2 separate phones, or you will have to choose one or the other if you only want one phone.
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OK....it seems that XDA haven't cracked code that disables other OS on Windows Phone. I'm counting on that, but I wont go two phones, I would just buy a cheap tablet.
Thanks for your help and suggestions.
chazperx said:
OK....it seems that XDA haven't cracked code that disables other OS on Windows Phone. I'm counting on that, but I wont go two phones, I would just buy a cheap tablet.
Thanks for your help and suggestions.
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If you want a tablet then windows 8 tablets (not windows phone) will run bluestacks.
Do windows phone 7 and 8 apps run on Windows 7 and 8 desktops?
chazperx said:
Do windows phone 7 and 8 apps run on Windows 7 and 8 desktops?
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Only if you have an emulator. Windows phone 8 and windows 8 share a common kernel and a lot of cross platform ability however an app will need to be written for the phone or for windows 8. That said in most cases this is just a case of how you compile it or a very small amount of code change so you can expect the growth of windows 8 and windows phone 8 to push each others markets up.
chazperx said:
Hi:
I current have an HTC HD2 Telstra, and it came with Windows Mobile. Thanks to the brilliant folks at XDA, I have been successfully running Android, and every time I want to upgrade the type of Android I use, I simply replace the Android folder….simply brilliant.
So I now have no need for Windows Mobile, and am looking to do the same with Windows 8 and Android, and I am trying to find which phone out there is as versatile as the HTC HD2 Telstra, and comes with Windows Phone 8 installed.
How will I know which phone with Windows 8 installed will enable me to also install Android in the same fashion? If I could create the phone, it would be a 5” screen, Windows 8, and a lot of power. Anything close to that would be acceptable, but it must be Windows 8. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chaz
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One word...wait... Android for the HD2 did not come out the day the phone was released. The ONLY reason why it had Windows Phone 7 is because Microsoft used it in their testing of WP7, so drivers were leaked and everyone built on it as they learned more. Android was ported to Windows Mobile devices and most, if not all of them were able to run some flavor of Android, even if was just the SDcard boot method.
Time will tell if there will be that magic device that Microsoft MIGHT of used in testing that ran all OS's (WM, WP7 and WP8) and then you might have a earier chance but, I would not count on it.
The only thing you can do is wait, one of the hacker will attempt one device at one point, if they succeed AND release it, you might have it.
Right now, the odds of it happening is very low on phones that have not been released yet and even for months after.
I wish you luck but, if you really want Android more than Windows Phone, I might suggest to just pick up a Android device.
Good luck
DavidinCT said:
One word...wait... Android for the HD2 did not come out the day the phone was released. The ONLY reason why it had Windows Phone 7 is because Microsoft used it in their testing of WP7, so drivers were leaked and everyone built on it as they learned more. Android was ported to Windows Mobile devices and most, if not all of them were able to run some flavor of Android, even if was just the SDcard boot method.
Time will tell if there will be that magic device that Microsoft MIGHT of used in testing that ran all OS's (WM, WP7 and WP8) and then you might have a earier chance but, I would not count on it.
The only thing you can do is wait, one of the hacker will attempt one device at one point, if they succeed AND release it, you might have it.
Right now, the odds of it happening is very low on phones that have not been released yet and even for months after.
I wish you luck but, if you really want Android more than Windows Phone, I might suggest to just pick up a Android device.
Good luck
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If Microsot ever tries their new Windows Phone 8 on HTC HD2..
I'm pretty sure that they would ask Cotulla to develope a new Magldr for them
NOTE: I anso own a hd2...
chazperx said:
Because I can....lol I like the flexibility of running two different OS, and the additional apps I can use as a result. Keep in mind, I really don't need anything, but if its possible with WIN8 and Android....why wouldn't anyone want two OS on one phone?
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There are advantages to each OS. I presently have dual boot Wp7.8 (pdaimatejam) and Android on the same HD2 (with 32gb SDcard). It is just brilliant. I can run either and both the latest in these are very smooth. Got the best of both worlds - pretty unique.