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Got it from eBay.
Charges faster in phone...while using!
If battery is around 40% it being be charged overnight.
Anyone else experience this?
could be the amp? maybe below 1 amp? Samsung charger has 2amps om it. check your charger and look for the amp. btw. the lower the amp the better for your battery..
Buy an OEM charger. The Samsung one is $50 from Samsung website but you can get the Asus charger from Google play store for $25. Both are two ampbi believe. Or you can get the 1a for $25 from samsung. Getting OEM directly from an OEM or authorized reseller or a storefront lime Google is key. Getting cheap chargers is gonna bite you in the ass one day or think about it like this. Why keep wasting time buying cheap chargers again and again when you can put up proper money and get quality in one go and have peace of mind for a few years. I even stopped buying chargers from amazon because they're just cheap knockoffs too. Phi hong makes good chargers and power supplies but they are harder to source. Phi hong came with my nexus one andy galaxy nexus OEM Home dock.
Anyways, aside from that part of the reason for slow charging is you probably have an unsafe charger that is not rated what it really is and is made of poor materials. Getting a quality 1a or higher, preferably 2a in this case and your gnote2 should charge @ 1.8a. In other words, you can charge from zero to full in ~2-2.5 hours. Or from partially full to 100% in less than 2 easily.
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Unless I am mistaken, OP is referring to battery chargers, not usb chargers. That's how I charge mine, too. I have spare batteries, and they all get charged directly. When my battery is low, I just swap. I hate having my phone attached to a cord, even at night.
Yes, all the battery chargers I've had for every device (including this one) have been lower amp than the usb chargers supplied with the phone. It is especially slow for this huge battery for the Note 2. While it bothers me in concept, it's never actually been an issue for me, so I haven't done anything about it. I don't know if higher amp battery chargers are available, but I don't feel like spending extra money on one.
As far as battery health goes, charging at a lower amperage certainly isn't hurting the battery. If anything, it's actually better for it.
Yes...charging just the battery with wall charger.
@ 40% it will not be charged at 6am when I wake!!!
Are there better wall chargers?
Why do you hate having your phone attached to a Cord overnight. I heard that's fine and do it every night.!
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Unless I am mistaken, OP is referring to battery chargers, not usb chargers. That's how I charge mine, too. I have spare batteries, and they all get charged directly. When my battery is low, I just swap. I hate having my phone attached to a cord, even at night.
Yes, all the battery chargers I've had for every device (including this one) have been lower amp than the usb chargers supplied with the phone. It is especially slow for this huge battery for the Note 2. While it bothers me in concept, it's never actually been an issue for me, so I haven't done anything about it. I don't know if higher amp battery chargers are available, but I don't feel like spending extra money on one.
As far as battery health goes, charging at a lower amperage certainly isn't hurting the battery. If anything, it's actually better for it.
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Why do you hate having your phone attached to a Cord overnight. I heard that's fine and do it every night.!
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Not for the phone, for me. It just bothers me having a wireless device locked to a wall. There's no reason for it. And I frequently get up in the night for various reasons (kids, work, insomnia, etc), and it bugs me unplugging in the middle of a charge cycle.
Incidentally, a non-removable battery was a deal breaker, and one of the reasons I didn't get a Nexus 4. I got used to never plugging in my last phone, and I don't want to go back. It was torture the first week or two with the N2 before my spare batteries arrived.
The charger should have its output printed on it, I've had a look at the pics on ebay and the first two I found that I could read were 500mA and 350mA, the original charger is 2A or 2000mA. Samsung make there own battery charger http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...es/EB-H1J9VNEGSTD?subsubtype=other-multimedia the output is 1.7A so much closer to the original usb charger.
I'd be worried about my back cover getting loose doing what you do. I had three batteries for my old phone, but I did not swap them on a daily basis, just when travelling or away from power for an extended time. I've ordered some wireless chargers so I can have one by my bed and another downstairs. I know they only output 500mA too, but for an overnight charge thats fine for me. I dont think there is any issue with interrupting the charge cycle, the two main enemies of lithium batteries are heat and being totally/almost discharged on a regular basis. Its best to keep them topped up.
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The charger should have its output printed on it, I've had a look at the pics on ebay and the first two I found that I could read were 500mA and 350mA, the original charger is 2A or 2000mA. Samsung make there own battery charger http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...es/EB-H1J9VNEGSTD?subsubtype=other-multimedia the output is 1.7A so much closer to the original usb charger.
I'd be worried about my back cover getting loose doing what you do. I had three batteries for my old phone, but I did not swap them on a daily basis, just when travelling or away from power for an extended time. I've ordered some wireless chargers so I can have one by my bed and another downstairs. I know they only output 500mA too, but for an overnight charge thats fine for me. I dont think there is any issue with interrupting the charge cycle, the two main enemies of lithium batteries are heat and being totally/almost discharged on a regular basis. Its best to keep them topped up.
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It looks like the OEM battery charger is available on ebay for around $15. That's good to know in case mine ever crap out on me. These cheapies that I get tend to.
As far as the back cover getting loose, after 3 months, it is a little bit looser than when it was new. 1.5 years with my G2x didn't loosen it at all, but the build quality on that thing was fantastic. I keep this in a case anyway, so it being a little looser goes unnoticed. If it gets bad, back cover replacements are cheap.
If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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But what is the point of having it charge fast, when all it is is going to drain faster?
I charge mine overnight with a charger rated at 750mah I believe and it last me a whole day. As oppose to using a 2.1 am charger I have, where the battery percentage would start dropping by the first hour.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but this is what I've notice with my last few phones.
The Perseus kernel with stweaks has the ability to change the charging parameters.
With it overclocked/undervolted I am getting better life than I did on stock.
Not for sure what you mean as it depleting the charge faster on a higher amperage charger. Kind of sounds like you may have had failing batteries, etc.
There seem to be a few misunderstandings here regarding batteries and chargers.
1) The charge rate, when the battery is in the phone, is controlled BY the phone. The charger itself just supplies regulated power to the phone. How much current is put into the battery at any given time is up to the phone, which is why kernels can do things like fast charge, it's controlled by the kernel. Now, the reason the battery charges faster when using the stock charger vs. something lower current or a computer is simple. The phone can detect what it's connected to within some limitations. It sounds like our phone can also sense the incoming voltage levels and back off if the supply becomes unstable.
2) Using the stock 2A charger is "harder" on the battery than a lower current charger. Not true, at least not within any margin of error you will be able to detect without specialized equipment. Lipo batteries are generally built to charge/discharge at 1C. C in this case stands for capacity. So our 3100mah batteries can charge at 3.1Amp and be within safety margin. So the 2Amp charger the phone comes with is perfectly fine for the battery. Without seeing a datasheet for the battery from Samsung, that's a good guess. And again, the phone controls the charge current based on a number of parameters. You could connect the phone to a 5V supply capable of 100Amp and it will still only use what it needs.
3) The percentage readout on the phone screen is a GUESS. Don't pay it too much attention. For this same reason, evaluating 3rd party batteries based on phone runtime etc is not useful. To validate the battery capacity with any accuracy requires a test setup discharging the battery through a known load and measuring how long it takes to get to a cutoff voltage. I've done some of these tests myself on stock and 3rd party batteries. In general, the OEM batteries are always at or above spec, the 3rd party battery manufacturers lie. Often by upward of 20%. Even the high $ batteries. Keep that in mind when shopping if you want extras or extended batteries.
4) Interrupting the charge cycle is bad. Nope. It's fine. On this same line of thought, full cycles ARE bad. Don't do it. Don't think too much about it either though. Just plug it in when convenient. Or set it on the wireless charger if you've installed one. Generally speaking, they actually don't like to be charged to 100% either. Keeping it at 20%-80% is actually best for the longevity of the battery cell itself. In practice, you will probably have a new phone before any of this is actually noticeable.
The OP sounds like they are talking about a stand-alone charger, where the battery is not in the phone. Those will vary wildly in quality and capability, particularly from ebay. They are probably cheap POS devices. Not that that's really a bad thing, just know about it. It's probably a very low charge rate device, perhaps even down to 100ma or so. That would take forever to charge our larger batteries. As for if there is a better one, probably. If Samsung makes one, it will probably charge faster than the phone with the provided charger plug as there would be no load from the phone using power. Of course, it will cost a lot more as well. Look for devices that at least claim they will charge at 2Amp or so. In practice, they will probably be a lot lower, but your chances are improved. Not many people will break out an ammeter and check, after all.
UnixSlayer said:
If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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Perseus kernal has fast charging settings.
What ttabbal wrote is mostly correct. But the problem lies within some input voltage protection logic tied to the charger chip of the phone which is extremely (and too much so) sensitive.
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Perseus kernal has fast charging settings.
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Can people stop calling it fast-charge, it's an idiotic term which technically means nothing. While most kernels have some sort of charging speed configuration options, they're all useless in regard to this problem as the current in the end is decided by a different logic. You'll have to disable unstable power detection and that's the only way to make it work and fix the problem, unless you go hunting down high quality cables and chargers.
Personally I also encountered the problem as my stock S3 charger, as many others here have reported, has deteriorated and it would only charge at an effective 300mA. I disabled unstable power detection and now it charges at the full given current limits, without any issues.
rockky said:
Got it from eBay.
Charges faster in phone...while using!
If battery is around 40% it being be charged overnight.
Anyone else experience this?
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You have to make sure it's "2a" charger capacity. It happened to me once. Go to monoprice.com and search for a universal 2a charger... pretty cheap
So, I'm nervous about the fact that I can't replace the battery on my ONE. So far every night I've been staying up late until the phone dies, then plugging it in, waiting til the light stops flashing, then powering it up to charge while on overnight.
Problem is, this phone has awesome battery life. Right now at 10.30pm, I'm sitting at 41%, and debating just leaving it unplugged all night.
So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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Lithium ion batteries are awesome. They are lighter, smaller and do not suffer from "memory effect."
Do not drain then fully recharge this phone on a regular basis. That will accelerate capacitance loss. Keep it charged as much as possible, avoid fast charging, try to use your PC to charge it overnight. Do not leave it charging for too long (i.e. days on end). Though on board computers can refuse charging, it is best to stay on the safe side.
2 years, you will definitely notice a decrease in battery life, but by the time it becomes intolerable, you will have upgraded. I can almost guarantee that.
EDIT: Please add to/refute any statements I made if you have greater knowledge on this subject, people.
Thanks! Can you explain why using mr PC to charge is better?
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Thanks! Can you explain why using mr PC to charge is better?
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Because it's a slower charge at a lower amp rating prolongs battery life by not boiling the cells
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Because it's a slower charge at a lower amp rating prolongs battery life by not boiling the cells
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Gottit. Thanks!
No problem,glad I could shed some light on the subject
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So, I'm nervous about the fact that I can't replace the battery on my ONE. So far every night I've been staying up late until the phone dies, then plugging it in, waiting til the light stops flashing, then powering it up to charge while on overnight.
Problem is, this phone has awesome battery life. Right now at 10.30pm, I'm sitting at 41%, and debating just leaving it unplugged all night.
So what's the deal with memory on these batteries? How much, say over a 2 yr span, will charging a non-drained battery shorten its lifespan or lessen its capacity?
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As was previously noted, what you're doing is actually the worst possible thing you can do to a lithium ion battery. In general, best practice is to keep your battery somewhere between 10%-95% charge whenever possible. Once a month, you should "cycle" your battery under 10% (but not fully drained) to keep everything in peak condition. If you're ever not going to use the phone for any length of time, best practice is to drain to 40% and store in a cool, dark area.
When you first get a new device, you do want to condition it by doing three to five (varies on the device) full charge/discharge cycles, but after that, once a month with a conditioning cycle will take care of things for you. And again, as was previously noted, it's not a great idea to leave your phone charging overnight because you can't always depend on the battery controller chip.
These newer cells are all rated to relatively high cycle lifetimes, so I wouldn't worry overmuch. At that point, capacity is supposed to start degrading, although naturally it's going to happen a bit earlier for any number of reasons. I'd be much more worried about avoiding heat though than overcharge.
I'm assuming charging it slowly would keep it slightly cooler than a wall socket and closer to room temp, the better.
There is probably some other reason, but I'm not the person to ask. you can do some independent research. :good:
Just charge your phone when it needs it and don't when it doesn't. Do that and you'll be good until you upgrade no problem.
EDIT: Oh, beat me to it... haha
EDIT: Also, does the 40% apply to phones? Mobile devices never really turn off, they just go into deep sleep, I'm told. I was going to say that too, but then I remembered this. Does the 40% rule apply to non-removable batteries?
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I'm assuming charging it slowly would keep it slightly cooler than a wall socket and closer to room temp, the better.
There is probably some other reason, but I'm not the person to ask. you can do some independent research. :good:
Just charge your phone when it needs it and don't when it doesn't. Do that and you'll be good until you upgrade no problem.
EDIT: Oh, beat me to it... haha
EDIT: Also, does the 40% apply to phones? Mobile devices never really turn off, they just go into deep sleep, I'm told. I was going to say that too, but then I remembered this. Does the 40% rule apply to non-removable batteries?
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It's a question of how much voltage you're chucking into the battery. If you use a low-voltage wall adapter it'll be the same as if you were charging from your PC.
The 40% rule applies to any battery, and they'll all discharge over time anyway (connected or no). If you shut your phone off, everything powers down except (if memory serves) what's necessary to run the internal clock. The impact that has should be pretty minimal (unless you're trying to bury your One for a thousand years, in which case...can't help you there).
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It's a question of how much voltage you're chucking into the battery. If you use a low-voltage wall adapter it'll be the same as if you were charging from your PC.
(unless you're trying to bury your One for a thousand years, in which case...can't help you there).
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Who would buy a low voltage wall adapter?
And yes, I would like to bury my One safely for a thousand years, so when it is found by the generation of humadroids, they will see it and be amazed that a civilization so primitive could achieve such technological mastery.
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Who would buy a low voltage wall adapter?
And yes, I would like to bury my One safely for a thousand years, so when it is found by the generation of humadroids, they will see it and be amazed that a civilization so primitive could achieve such technological mastery.
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I don't know that I bought any, but I have a few lying around from yesteryear's gadgetry.
And at that point, why not launch it into space instead, a la HTC Nexus One?
So I use my phone as my alarm clock and also run the Relax and Sleep app all night. Otherwise I'd just plug it into my lappy throughout the day and not worry about it.
But that raises another question: running the phone overnight while charging it at the same time. Bad juju?
I plugged into my lappy last night around midnight, woke up this morning and had about 95% charge, rather than the usual 100%. I'm assuming this is the result of power output for Relax and Sleep cutting int power input from charging.
I've also been in the habit of leaving my EVO 4G plugged in while tethering. I assume this is also a bad plan?
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Lithium ion batteries are awesome. They are lighter, smaller and do not suffer from "memory effect."
Do not drain then fully recharge this phone on a regular basis. That will accelerate capacitance loss. Keep it charged as much as possible, avoid fast charging, try to use your PC to charge it overnight. Do not leave it charging for too long (i.e. days on end). Though on board computers can refuse charging, it is best to stay on the safe side.
2 years, you will definitely notice a decrease in battery life, but by the time it becomes intolerable, you will have upgraded. I can almost guarantee that.
EDIT: Please add to/refute any statements I made if you have greater knowledge on this subject, people.
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MOST of this advice is 100% true.
The only part that is not correct information is the advice to not let it die. It is perfectly OK to do this as long as you don't deep discharge the battery... Example like let it die then not charge it for like a week or something.
The science behind this is the fact that lithium ion batteries actually have a nominal voltage operating range which is like 3.2 - 4.3 volts or something like that. Your device is designed to shut itself down when it gets to about 3.5... This is done to protect the battery from deep discharge cycles.
Letting it die is perfectly alright. Just make sure you charge it soon after.
Also, you don't need to use your PC to charge it. That is in no way necessary. Your device came with a wall charger for a reason...
There are safety features built into the kernel and cable to keep you from damaging the device during charge. Use the wall.. It is perfectly safe and faster / more practical.
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So I use my phone as my alarm clock and also run the Relax and Sleep app all night. Otherwise I'd just plug it into my lappy throughout the day and not worry about it.
But that raises another question: running the phone overnight while charging it at the same time. Bad juju?
I plugged into my lappy last night around midnight, woke up this morning and had about 95% charge, rather than the usual 100%. I'm assuming this is the result of power output for Relax and Sleep cutting int power input from charging.
I've also been in the habit of leaving my EVO 4G plugged in while tethering. I assume this is also a bad plan?
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Your battery will automatically cycle between 95%-99.9999% to prevent overcharge, so you're fine on this front. You probably just caught it on the low end of the cycle.
The issue with charging + tethering is that a phone draws more power when plugged in (ramping up processor, etc.), and tethering eats a lot of power. More importantly, both charging the battery and running the antennas for tethering generate a lot of heat. So long as you watch your battery temp (most good tethering apps will toss in a temperature gauge, although if you're using stock you'll need another solution), you should be fine, but heat is one of the fastest ways to kill a Li-ion battery.
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MOST of this advice is 100% true.
The only part that is not correct information is the advice to not let it die. It is perfectly OK to do this as long as you don't deep discharge the battery... Example like let it die then not charge it for like a week or something.
The science behind this is the fact that lithium ion batteries actually have a nominal voltage operating range which is like 3.2 - 4.3 volts or something like that. Your device is designed to shut itself down when it gets to about 3.5... This is done to protect the battery from deep discharge cycles.
Letting it die is perfectly alright. Just make sure you charge it soon after.
Also, you don't need to use your PC to charge it. That is in no way necessary. Your device came with a wall charger for a reason...
There are safety features built into the kernel and cable to keep you from damaging the device during charge. Use the wall.. It is perfectly safe and faster / more practical.
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Although a full normal discharge (phone powering off) won't kill your battery in one go, it's a deeper discharge than I would recommend on a regular basis. Things are built with margins of safety, but I don't like playing on the edge when I can avoid it. The difference between 10%-15% isn't too much either when it comes to my use-case either, so I'm content to bounce between 20/30-95 most of the time.
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Your battery will automatically cycle between 95%-99.9999% to prevent overcharge, so you're fine on this front. You probably just caught it on the low end of the cycle.
The issue with charging + tethering is that a phone draws more power when plugged in (ramping up processor, etc.), and tethering eats a lot of power. More importantly, both charging the battery and running the antennas for tethering generate a lot of heat. So long as you watch your battery temp (most good tethering apps will toss in a temperature gauge, although if you're using stock you'll need another solution), you should be fine, but heat is one of the fastest ways to kill a Li-ion battery.
Although a full normal discharge (phone powering off) won't kill your battery in one go, it's a deeper discharge than I would recommend on a regular basis. Things are built with margins of safety, but I don't like playing on the edge when I can avoid it. The difference between 10%-15% isn't too much either when it comes to my use-case either, so I'm content to bounce between 20/30-95 most of the time.
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That is certainly a good point as well. No need to play on the edge of the cliffs. lol
You see my point tho
About safety margins
I just got a "tip" from Motorola telling me that its best to charge my phone to 100% whenever I'm near an outlet and that they RECOMMEND charging the phone overnight to accomplish this. Are they trying to make my battery die quicker or something? Am I missing something about newer cell phone batteries that allow for constant recharging over the course of a single night without killing the battery?
Apparently, you can charge some of the newer phones and tablets overnight and not have to worry about overcharging. These newer batteries are supposedly able to stop taking charge once they reach full capacity. I've Google'd this a few days ago and several users on several forums from different sites are all saying the same thing. However, although you can charge it overnight without having to worry about overcharging, heat conduction while having the battery charge might be excessive enough to damage the battery.
I leave the phone on charger all night every night and i haven't really noticed any changes in battery.
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I've been doing this for years with no problems ever.
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I've always left every single one of my phones to charge overnight. Do some people really take it off the charger as soon as it's charged? That seems like a waste to me, as you're using battery charge that you could otherwise be using throughout the day.
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I just got a "tip" from Motorola telling me that its best to charge my phone to 100% whenever I'm near an outlet and that they RECOMMEND charging the phone overnight to accomplish this. Are they trying to make my battery die quicker or something? Am I missing something about newer cell phone batteries that allow for constant recharging over the course of a single night without killing the battery?
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That Motorola tip is total BS. It doesn't matter whether you charge it to 100% and you certainly don't need to charge it overnight to accomplish that although it's fine if you do.
Good to know. Glad batteries aren't as finicky as they used to be.
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That Motorola tip is total BS. It doesn't matter whether you charge it to 100% and you certainly don't need to charge it overnight to accomplish that although it's fine if you do.
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I think the newer batteries today become worse based on the number of cycles you put them through. Further, letting your phone only go donw to 80% before charging it back up again causes less strain on the battery and isn't a full cycle. The more cycles your phone goes through the less of a charge it can hold. This is why many people report to charge your phone as much as possible because it is actually better for you to leave it charging all the time instead of doing a battery cycle.
Many battery monitor softwares require you to recalibrate the batteries capacity to hold a charge after a certain number (often 30) cycle have been performed. And they consider cycles depleting your battery pass a certain percentage (ex. 70% or something). I did a decent bit of research a while ago and this was the information that I gathered from all of it.
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I think the newer batteries today become worse based on the number of cycles you put them through. Further, letting your phone only go donw to 80% before charging it back up again causes less strain on the battery and isn't a full cycle. The more cycles your phone goes through the less of a charge it can hold. This is why many people report to charge your phone as much as possible because it is actually better for you to leave it charging all the time instead of doing a battery cycle.
Many battery monitor softwares require you to recalibrate the batteries capacity to hold a charge after a certain number (often 30) cycle have been performed. And they consider cycles depleting your battery pass a certain percentage (ex. 70% or something). I did a decent bit of research a while ago and this was the information that I gathered from all of it.
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Right. It is better to charge your phone as much as possible because your battery is capable of only a finite number of full cycles. My only contention is that it is not required that you charge it to the full 100%. In fact, they say that it's actually better for Lithium-ion batteries to hold partial charges.
Never charging the battery to 100%, nor depleting it to 0% will allow you to more get more out the battery overall. But keeping it on a charger means that you shouldn't even be using the battery.
I keep mine on charge overnight, and if I weren't worried about wearing out the USB port, I'd put it on a charger when in the car, while at my desk at work, etc...
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I just got a "tip" from Motorola telling me that its best to charge my phone to 100% whenever I'm near an outlet and that they RECOMMEND charging the phone overnight to accomplish this. Are they trying to make my battery die quicker or something? Am I missing something about newer cell phone batteries that allow for constant recharging over the course of a single night without killing the battery?
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SO i contacted motorola through help and they warned me to not charge my phone overnight every night because it would "DRAIN" my battery.
however they said it was ok occasionally
that's a bummer cos it is pretty convenient :/
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SO i contacted motorola through help and they warned me to not charge my phone overnight every night because it would "DRAIN" my battery.
however they said it was ok occasionally
that's a bummer cos it is pretty convenient :/
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Sorry but whoever told you that is misinformed. No harm will come to the phone / battery from charging overnight unless you use a dodgy fake charger. I've charged all my phones overnight since my Motorola MicroTac in 1995 and have never had a battery / phone fail because of it.
All Motorola devices have good battery protection software, it won't hurt it to charge overnight. Short charging sessions are better for your battery but it makes no sense to worry about that either. The only way to hurt your battery is if you stuff a charge by letting it fill, then unplugging an plug it in several times. This can "top off" your battery and give you a little more charge but at the risk of damage and shortening your battery life. I personally don't recommend it. I have Anker backup battery if things get desperate or if I am out all day.
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Well yeah, how about Apple doing it and everyone else pursuing? prolonged charging IS damaging your battery. If you use a Chargie device (https://chargie.org) during your overnight charging you might prevent this, since it delays and limits the charging pattern to a safe value. But otherwise nobody in 2021 recommends leaving your phone charging overnight.
Hey guys I just bought the Nexus 6 and been looking around here and didnt find anything on best ways of charging the phone. I know the phone comes with the quick charger, but I tried it and the phone got real hot and I am pretty sure its not good for the battery in the long run.
That being said I do not want my battery to start losing charges since it does not have a replaceable battery. I am just curious if anyone on here uses other methods of charging the phone or better yet if anything is proven to be safer to charge. Right now I am charging the phone with my previous Samsung s4 charger and seems to charge fine, but if its not good to do this I would like to know sooner than later.
The n6 is meant to charge fast and isn't the first phone to use fast charge technology so I think we are fine using the stock charger.There's no way a battery charging that fast isn't going to get hot.
Define "real hot."
It is normal for the phone to get quite warm when charging. It should never be hot to the touch though. In this context, by hot, I mean you're unable to hold the phone. If you're able to touch the back, and keep your fingers there for more than a few seconds, then the phone is warm, not hot. Anyone who has had a battery overheat can tell you that the difference is unmistakable.
Chargers will, by definition, heat the battery to some extent -- how much, depends on what kind of charger. The order (from warmest to coolest) is: QuickCharge 2.0 (Turbo Charger), qi wireless charging, QuickCharge 1.0 ("Traditional" 2A charger), Regular 1A charger, USB charger (500ma). However, the heat produced by ANY of these chargers is normal, and the battery was designed to handle it. The life may be lessened by the heat to a very small extent, but it should still last way longer than the 1 to 2 years you'll likely own your phone. Plus, technically, the battery IS replaceable. It's just not designed to be user-replaceable, but there are businesses that will replace them. Or... you can purchase an after-market warranty, most of which cover batteries.
jt3 said:
Define "real hot."
It is normal for the phone to get quite warm when charging. It should never be hot to the touch though. In this context, by hot, I mean you're unable to hold the phone. If you're able to touch the back, and keep your fingers there for more than a few seconds, then the phone is warm, not hot. Anyone who has had a battery overheat can tell you that the difference is unmistakable.
Chargers will, by definition, heat the battery to some extent -- how much, depends on what kind of charger. The order (from warmest to coolest) is: QuickCharge 2.0 (Turbo Charger), qi wireless charging, QuickCharge 1.0 ("Traditional" 2A charger), Regular 1A charger, USB charger (500ma). However, the heat produced by ANY of these chargers is normal, and the battery was designed to handle it. The life may be lessened by the heat to a very small extent, but it should still last way longer than the 1 to 2 years you'll likely own your phone. Plus, technically, the battery IS replaceable. It's just not designed to be user-replaceable, but there are businesses that will replace them. Or... you can purchase an after-market warranty, most of which cover batteries.
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I meant just warmer than normal use of the phone. I understand the phone gets hotter the faster you are charging, however I charge my phone every night so what is the point of the quick charging except when I am at work and my phones about to die?
I just feel that the phone will last longer by not quick charging it, but I could be wrong. What I really want to know is if anyone knows if its better for the phone if you just charge with the 1.0 and if so which charger should I use? Maybe another motorola one or would the samsung one work fine?
cleex024 said:
What I really want to know is if anyone knows if its better for the phone if you just charge with the 1.0 and if so which charger should I use? Maybe another motorola one or would the samsung one work fine?
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Technically, yes, it'd be better for your battery, but realistically, you'll never notice, since you'll probably get a new phone long before battery life becomes an issue.
However, to answer your question, any 1A charger designed for Android devices will work (If they're not designed for Android, they'll show "Charging (USB)" in the battery monitor, and will only charge at 500mA). The brand isn't really important, as long as it's a reputable brand. (...and before you ask, yes a 2A charger will work fine too, but will heat your battery more than a 1A charger.)
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Technically, yes, it'd be better for your battery, but realistically, you'll never notice, since you'll probably get a new phone long before battery life becomes an issue.
However, to answer your question, any 1A charger designed for Android devices will work (If they're not designed for Android, they'll show "Charging (USB)" in the battery monitor, and will only charge at 500mA). The brand isn't really important, as long as it's a reputable brand. (...and before you ask, yes a 2A charger will work fine too, but will heat your battery more than a 1A charger.)
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Ok thanks...I guess ill continue to use my samsung 1a charger since it works. And I know that I wont have this phone for the whole 2 years, but if I charge the phone every night anyway why take the risk of damaging the battery at all with a stronger charger when I dont need it right?
Anyway thanks for the advice and ill keep using my samsung charger.
Thanks
cleex024 said:
Ok thanks...I guess ill continue to use my samsung 1a charger since it works. And I know that I wont have this phone for the whole 2 years, but if I charge the phone every night anyway why take the risk of damaging the battery at all with a stronger charger when I dont need it right?
Anyway thanks for the advice and ill keep using my samsung charger.
Thanks
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I put my phone on a wireless charger all night and it gets a little warm but nothing to lose sleep over.
dalegg said:
I put my phone on a wireless charger all night and it gets a little warm but nothing to lose sleep over.
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Which wireless charger are you using?
The quick charge technology is designed to quickly charge your phone without reducing charging cycle performance
Hi guys, I just bought the TurboPower charger from motorola since my (refurbished) N6 came with only a usb cable. I am very happy with the blazing fast charge speeds but was wondering if continuing to charge the phone after it reaches 100% battery might have any adverse effect on the battery's health or lifespan? A quick google search revealed little consensus so I'm hoping for an expert to chime in on here.
I tend to charge my phone overnight while I sleep, so with the new charger this means several hours of charging at 100% battery, and naturally the phone gets reasonably warm when undergoing such rapid charging, so I'd like to make sure I'm not causing long-term damage! (especially given that I'm not going anywhere near the Huawei N6 if it really has that hideous raised black bar on the back for the camera :/ )
If indeed this is bad for the battery - would using my (slower charging) old Nexus 4 charger overnight be any better? Or is it a bad idea to mix chargers from different phones? Generally this is a question I've always wondered about actually so it'd be good to finally find out.
Here are the charger's output specs from the motorola page in case that's relevant:
Output
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
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XDAcube said:
No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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I ment it as yes it degrades battery life overnight to turbo charge.
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If indeed this is bad for the battery
Output
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
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The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
bweN diorD said:
the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
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no it wont. it may just take longer if it cant meet the phones standard charging needs. it would actually be worse for the charger than the battery if it couldnt.
i generally charge mine from an outlet strip with usb charging built in i got off amazon.
a common misconception about chargers is bigger is better. thats generally not the case.
for instance, a charger can state an output of 3a. all that means is the charger "can" output 3a, not that it pushes 3a to the device, because thats simply not how it works.
the device will draw what it needs of that 3a capability. it may be anywhere from 0 to 3a. there is charging circuitry in all devices that controls how much charging power the battery is allowed to have. if you give it less than what it wants, the battery will just charge slower.
hope that helps.
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While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
bweN diorD said:
actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
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Trickle charging is not desirable, topping off isn't bad if the charging method doesn't top off to the threshold voltage (Eg. 4.3V), so I guess without more information on a specific device employing a lithium-Ion battery It's hard to say for sure if remaining connected to the charger causes adverse affects.
If you want to get down to the few days or weeks you'll save on the lifespan of your battery you might as well turn it off during each charging cycle to avoid parasitc load, as this can degrade lifespan more than topping off.
I guess it comes down to personal preference overall. Do you want/need the convenience of leaving your device always on (minus occasional reboot) and you prefer starting off with a full capacity battery each day? Or do you prefer your battery will enjoy it's entire intended lifespan? Me personally I choose the former since I don't like to miss calls or notifications while charging and I don't keep a smartphone much longer than a year anyways.
In this thread I read several good suggestions about charging.
But don't forget discharging. Charging, turbocharging and also discharging will shorten the battery life.
Actually, when laptops first came out, if you overcharged them, the battery would explode! :laugh: Luckily engineers designed a way that Lithium Ion batteries dont do this anymore!
charging past 100% will not damage your battery. ive been doing it for the past 10 years. at one point, it would damage the battery, very sightly, over long periods of time. but in todays times, it won't damage it. first off, 100% isnt when it stops charging. it stops charging once it reaches a certain voltage, which is ysually after you reach 100%. yes, even though its plugged in, it will stop charging. and then will charge again, after some voltage leaves it. it will not take in an extra charge. once its done charging, its done, and will not charge more.
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The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
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+1 I do the same with my M-charge, my qi charge turns off when the phone reaches 100. It doesn't drain that much when it is done charging usually it's still at 100. Before I got root and greenify, it would drain to a max of 4% by the time I woke up.