https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3l6w89/use_43_instead_of_169_on_the_front_facing_camera/
Hah yep just saw that too.
It certainly is the better setting to use just since more pixels, not sure I would say it's better quality from what I can tell. Zoomed in the same image has the same quality between ratios, but nice having the extra space.
Hey everyone,
Is someone able to speak to the quality of the front camera on these? I have the HD 8, the front camera is advertised as "HD" (probably 2 MP) and performs surprisingly well.
I'm curious about the quality of the front camera on the 7. It's advertised as VGA, so probably .3 MP. I've used some of the low end Dragon Touch tablets with .3 MP front cameras and the quality is *terrible*, it easily took 5+ seconds to focus on anything. But part of that could be the camera app, the manufacturer of the sensor itself or something else to do with the quality of the hardware.
At $150, the HD 8 isn't prohibitively expensive, but it would be nice to get away with the $50 7 instead. The main functionality I'm looking for is whether it's able to focus in and scan a QR code (version 2 density) quickly.
Thanks!
Just tried it. The front camera takes the photo fast enough, but the image is very smudgy and a bit too high contrast. It's VGA. It would be ok for video chat in a well lit environment but not for much else. If you're one of those 'selfie' types, you'll want a different camera. :laugh:
The 2mp camera on the back seems to be a bit better, but then it should be. Needs to be changed to 4:3 to use the full sensor, as it defaults to 16:9. The HDR mode improves picture quality by a fair margin. Especially unintentionally overexposed ones. As with all these cheapo cameras you will have to hold the whole device still to get a clear shot.
Neither camera is anything special and I'd say both are below average. The 1.9mp camera in my Samsung Gear smartwatch is leaps and bounds above the image quality of this Asus Fire tablet and it's 2 years older with a similar lens size.
The app for the camera does the job but is very basic with few options to change.
this video shows both front and rear cammeras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpPRJ7wghY
Has Anyone else noticed that the front camera is capable of taking much wider picture? ?? if you switch mode from SELFIE to Wide Selfie, you'll notice that the camera is capable of taking much wider angle picture. wonder why sammy didn't use this? regular SELFIE seems to crop significant amount of picture..
The front facing camera is usually used for taking photos of your face, this is why, by default it is set to normal mode, not wide.
insang-droid said:
Has Anyone else noticed that the front camera is capable of taking much wider picture? ?? if you switch mode from SELFIE to Wide Selfie, you'll notice that the camera is capable of taking much wider angle picture. wonder why sammy didn't use this? regular SELFIE seems to crop significant amount of picture..
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Yeah that's been advertised since about two notes ago.
But you have to pan back and forth in wide selfie. Like a panorama.
i understand you have to pan it back and forth, but even not panning it's still covers wider angle than just regular "selfie". it would be nice to be able to capture wider on front camera. which is what Pixel 3 is doing.
insang-droid said:
i understand you have to pan it back and forth, but even not panning it's still covers wider angle than just regular "selfie". it would be nice to be able to capture wider on front camera. which is what Pixel 3 is doing.
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I compared and saw no difference in coverage area if I didnt pan.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/brxs28/oneplus_7_pros_telephoto_camera_is_not_3x/
Marketing nonsense from OP then?
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Batfink33 said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/brxs28/oneplus_7_pros_telephoto_camera_is_not_3x/
Marketing nonsense from OP then?
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Maybe I'm misreading something but mine is going up to 10x zoom.
bp328i said:
Maybe I'm misreading something but mine is going up to 10x zoom.
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The optical zoom.
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Batfink33 said:
The optical zoom.
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Gotcha, I just tried again with the bottom camera covered and the zoom works right up to 3x, anything over 3x and it goes black.
I have the same problem, no optical zoom, but the main camera do a digital zoom.
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Here is a demo of the cam problem at 1:23 min
https://youtu.be/UHCS4iKEmYc
Mulitple things going on here. First off the camera switches between the normal camera cropped for 3x to the tele camera depending on the lighting condtions. You can test this yourself using different lighting conditions and your finger in front of the various lenses. Second, in order for the lenses to be 3x optical, the tele has to magnify 3x closer than another lens. All the reviews cry foul because the tele lens is about 2.2x optically stronger than the normal lens. It is however about 2.9x stronger than the wide angle lens.
So, everyone is arguing about what the optical zoom range is. My result is from my actual personal result testing output images from the cameras. In looking at this, I ignored cropping and varying MP of each camera. I believe the total zoom range of the system to be 3x.
This was out 3 days ago. They've already got responses from OnePlus. It's a 2.2x optical zoom. It's in the post processing that they crop the image to make it 3x. It is 3x lossless zoom actually. So it's just as sharp and no degradation of quality.
To me, the image quality is the same so it really doesn't matter much how they get it to 3x as long as it's lossless it's all good
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So it's just as sharp and no degradation of quality.
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This made me smile as the photo quality is really extremely sub par, without using GCam that is,
Unless one is into water paintings, in that case this phone is a must have.
Pfeffernuss said:
This made me smile as the photo quality is really extremely sub par, without using GCam that is,
Unless one is into water paintings, in that case this phone is a must have.
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I never said it was tack sharp I just said the 3x tele is lossless from the crop. I know the 3x lens needs much improved post processing
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This was out 3 days ago. They've already got responses from OnePlus. It's a 2.2x optical zoom. It's in the post processing that they crop the image to make it 3x. It is 3x lossless zoom actually. So it's just as sharp and no degradation of quality.
To me, the image quality is the same so it really doesn't matter much how they get it to 3x as long as it's lossless it's all good
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It is a bad design if 2.2x-2.9x zoom is digital crop
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It is a bad design if 2.2x-2.9x zoom is digital crop
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Never said it wasn't. I said the crop is lossless . Lossless means from the 2.2x-3x not that is the same as a 3x optical
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Never said it wasn't. I said the crop is lossless . Lossless means from the 2.2x-3x not that is the same as a 3x optical
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2.2-2.9x is not lossless if it uses digital zoom of primary lens. Even if the primary lens use the full resolution
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2.2-2.9x is not lossless if it uses digital zoom of primary lens. Even if the primary lens use the full resolution
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You can but I don't have time or the energy to explain it to you.
The whole measure of "x times" zoom is marketing nonsense to begin with. All this means, is a ratio of that particular lens' longest focal length to its shortest focal length. It doesn't really mean much. For instance, my 70-200mm DSLR lens "only" has a 2.8x zoom. Yet the "reach" of this lens is so much greater than any smartphone, that it is comical to even compare the zoom this way!
This "spec" is only useful for folks that compare and buy things based on those specs (or companies to market to such people), instead of real world experiences. The phone takes some nice pictures, and happens to zoom and do some other useful things. That's all I really care about.
The zoom focal length is also not of much use without knowing the film or sensor size. It used to be that cameras all shot 35mm film and the focal range meant something. Today a 70mm lens is quite worthless shooting indoors compared to the wide angle on even the 7pro.
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The zoom focal length is also not of much use without knowing the film or sensor size. It used to be that cameras all shot 35mm film and the focal range meant something.
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A full frame DSLR sensor measures 35mm. The focal lengths for full frame DSLR (and full frame mirrorless cameras) lenses still mean the same as they always have. Even on smaller sensors for "real cameras" the focal length is still meaningful, if you take crop factor into account.
The tiny sensors (around 4mm) on smartphones are a different animal. The focal length on these smartphone lenses are around 1-4mm. They often speak of "35mm equivalent" focal lengths when looking at camera specs. But it's a bit ridiculous. The fisheye affect is so drastic at such a focal length, that there really is no "35mm equivalent" not matter how small the sensor.
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Today a 70mm lens is quite worthless shooting indoors compared to the wide angle on even the 7pro.
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That completely depends on your subject matter. I usually photograph people (face shots). The 70-200mm lens rarely leaves my camera, indoors or out. Many portrait photographers will tell you the same. 50-85mm is the minimum focal length considered acceptable for portraiture (not making a person's nose look huge, for example) by many photographers. Obviously, that range is too long a focal length for things like group shots, whole rooms (like you example) etc. But that is what interchangeable lenses are for.
Yep and since you can often swap full frame lenses into micro formats there is really no assumption that can be made other than the overall range of a lens.
It's ironic that selfie cameras are probably the worst equipped to shoot people. Smart of OnePlus to use the back tele lens for portrait. In effect the 7pro has interchangeable back lenses. Still not what my dslr or high end compact cameras deliver but impressive none the less.
Has anyone else noticed when shooting with the telephoto lens at 2x the pixel 4 (I have the XL) is savings photos at a reduced 12.2mp? The sensor is supposed to be 16mp. Why are the images being saved at reduced quality? I've climbed through the settings to include developers' options with no way to save at full 16mp resolution. Am I missing something here?
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Has anyone else noticed when shooting with the telephoto lens at 2x the pixel 4 (I have the XL) is savings photos at a reduced 12.2mp? The sensor is supposed to be 16mp. Why are the images being saved at reduced quality? I've climbed through the settings to include developers' options with no way to save at full 16mp resolution. Am I missing something here?
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It is 16mp. But it's just using that sensor for the zoom amongst other things. But the image will still be 12.2mp. Kinda like Huawei's 40mp sensor giving you 10mp images. It's not a reduced quality, the images are still beautiful and we'll printable if that's your thing.
stoneworrior said:
Has anyone else noticed when shooting with the telephoto lens at 2x the pixel 4 (I have the XL) is savings photos at a reduced 12.2mp? The sensor is supposed to be 16mp. Why are the images being saved at reduced quality? I've climbed through the settings to include developers' options with no way to save at full 16mp resolution. Am I missing something here?
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It only uses the centre 12MP of the sensor by design. When you digitally zoom in that is what happens on all sensors - you only use a small part of the whole sensor.
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It only uses the center 12MP of the sensor by design. When you digitally zoom in, that is what happens on all sensors - you only use a small part of the whole sensor.
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I've been a photographer since the 80's learning on film and progressing to digital. I've owned the Canon 5D versions 1,2,3, and 4. The 1DX mark 1 and 2 and currently shoot with a Sony a9 and A7RIII. I understand crop fully; that's why I was asking if it's a 16mp sensor, and they are saving it at 12.2, then something is going on in the background. I was doing Google searches without getting any info on this. I was trying to figure out what Google was doing in the background. So basically, what your saying is the telephoto lens was going to crop in on a 12.2 mp sensor, so they went with a higher density 16mp sensor to ensure a quality photo in the end. Basically keep both the standard and telephoto quality uniformed, got it thanks ?