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I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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I don't think there is such a thing like a 16gb note 3. At least not yet.
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I don't think there is such a thing like a 16gb note 3. At least not yet.
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http://negrielectronics.com/phones/android-mobile-c-67.html
According to the above link...the 16 gb version does exist.
Does the n9005 model have AT&T LTE for sure?
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Earthbrain said:
I have a Note 2 that I bought from AT&T. I want to upgrade to the note 3 but I want the N9005 version because I believe that it will be able to use G4 LTE signal from AT&T. The only place that I can buy the unlocked N9005 version is at Negri Electronics. However it only sell the 16 gb version and I want the 32 gb version. Is there any other place in the U.S.A that sells the N9005 unlocked version?
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Before committed to pay big $ for the phone ... check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457964
I'd buy what you're looking for in a heartbeat - if it existed. So far it doesn't. At least not ln any of the N3's for the UK, EU, or Latin America that have been announced. The Korean S-800 SGS4 supports AT&T's bands so their N3 probably will also. But the Korean phones have funky TV h/w and a funky MMS system that's different than Western versions. Rogers' (Canada) version will be compatible with AT&T LTE and may be closer to "virgin" than AT&T's version. The challenge is warranty service both because you'd have to send it to Canada for repair (assuming Rogers' services a phone for a non-subscriber) and because Knox prevents resetting the warranty status if a non-standard ROM's been flashed. Speaking of which, you'd probably only be able to flash Rogers' ROMs via Odin unless their N3 was a "pure" i9505 capable of using international ROMs.
And as someone above mentioned there's some question as to what "unlocked" means with the N3 as there are now regional limitations on top of carrier's locking phones to their networks.
If I find a true international N3 that works on AT&T's LTE that's not regionally SIM locked I'll let you know. Until then I'm sticking with AT&T's version and hoping they haven't molested it too badly.
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Lets knock off the keyboard hero stuff and get back on topic.
The N9005 doesn't work on AT&T LTE, it is missing bands 700/1700
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The N9005 doesn't work on AT&T LTE, it is missing bands 700/1700
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Will the N9005 work on the Rogers network in Canada? I have no idea what these bands and frequencies mean, I just know that I need LTE to work.
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Will the N9005 work on the Rogers network in Canada? I have no idea what these bands and frequencies mean, I just know that I need LTE to work.
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You can't just say "N9005" and expect to get an answer. "N9005" refers to generic Snapdragon 800 LTE capable version of GN3, but each country and carrier in the world has different LTE bands enabled in that Snapdragon's SoC radio. Find your Rogers here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It operates on bands 4 and 7 - none of the Euro countries' carriers work on band 4, as you can see from the list. AT&T USA, T-Mobile USA and Rogers CA should be LTE cross compatible in most coverage areas, but not all.
If you buy N9005 version with unlocked bootloader - later, when someone makes Odin compatible with GN3 you will be able to flash Roger's LTE modem firmware to your N9005, no matter which country it is from and what LTE bands it currently has enabled
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Okay well I was looking to buy an unlocked N9005 from the UK. Since none of the euro countries work on band 4, what about band 7? Do both bands need to be working in order to get LTE? The problem with buying this in my country is that there wont be a 64gb option available.
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Okay well I was looking to buy an unlocked N9005 from the UK. Since none of the euro countries work on band 4, what about band 7? Do both bands need to be working in order to get LTE? The problem with buying this in my country is that there wont be a 64gb option available.
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Some carriers, which operate on dual band LTE use one band for upstream, and the other for downstream. If that is the case with Rogers you will have to have a phone with both bands enabled, to get LTE service from Rogers. However, even if that is not the case and both bands 4 and 7 are independent - Rogers has towers all over Canada, and in some regions those towers will operate on band 4, in other regions it will be band 7 and in some places towers will support both. By getting a phone that supports only band 7 you will greatly reduce your LTE coverage area. What percentage of Rogers' network uses what band - those details are publicly available, so you can either Google it or just call Rogers and ask. I would recommend against getting a phone, that supports only band 7, unless you plan on flashing Roger's modem to it later.
This not quite correct. A band, by definition includes both the up and downstream frequencies. Only one band is used at a time. Rogers happens to use band 4 and band 7. One is not reliant on the other. If you are in an area with band 7 coverage (most of Rogers LTE coverage has both) you will be able to use a N9005.
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Some carriers, which operate on dual band LTE use one band for upstream, and the other for downstream. If that is the case with Rogers you will have to have a phone with both bands enabled, to get LTE service from Rogers. However, even if that is not the case and both bands 4 and 7 are independent - Rogers has towers all over Canada, and in some regions those towers will operate on band 4, in other regions it will be band 7 and in some places towers will support both. By getting a phone that supports only band 7 you will greatly reduce your LTE coverage area. What percentage of Rogers' network uses what band - those details are publicly available, so you can either Google it or just call Rogers and ask. I would recommend against getting a phone, that supports only band 7, unless you plan on flashing Roger's modem to it later.
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This not quite correct. A band, by definition includes both the up and downstream frequencies. Only one band is used at a time. Rogers happens to use band 4 and band 7. One is not reliant on the other. If you are in an area with band 7 coverage (most of Rogers LTE coverage has both) you will be able to use a N9005.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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The OP needs to take into consideration that If he buys from an online retailer an international unit, this unit will need to be activated in its intended region before he can use it in the states.
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you're correct by claiming each band is self contained and and can carry both, upstream and downstream. However, each carrier owns only a small portion of the spectrum in the bands they operate on, and some carriers do practice using a single band for one way traffic only, in an effort to ease the network congestion and load balancing. I'm not saying it's Rogers - I have no information on that particular carrier, but some carriers do do that. I'm just saying for carriers, who use such practice, in order to get LTE service your phone's modem must have both bands enabled, otherwise it won't register with the network and you won't get LTE service at all.
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I've never heard of that. Seems like a problematic setup since the RF properties of bands can vary so much. Seems like you would get in a situation where you have up but not downstream or vice versa.
Yes, you would need a N9005 from Asia, not Europe as those are region locked.
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Yes, you would need a N9005 from Asia, not Europe as those are region locked.
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Do you have a link for a source, where you got that information from? Or better yet - list of countries/markets, where GN3 will not be region locked?
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Do you have a link for a source, where you got that information from? Or better yet - list of countries/markets, where GN3 will not be region locked?
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Email me or hit me me up through my site. We're a retailer/wholesaler, not sure if I'm allowed to post about that since it would be "advertising".
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Email me or hit me me up through my site. We're a retailer/wholesaler, not sure if I'm allowed to post about that since it would be "advertising".
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that is a valuable information, which a lot of people, watching this thread could use, not just me. I don't think it will be considered as advertising. People in this thread are looking to buy international GN3, which will work on AT&T in US. If the phone is region locked then it won't work. Therefore, listing the countries, where there is no region lock would be very much relevant to this topic.
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that is a valuable information, which a lot of people, watching this thread could use, not just me. I don't think it will be considered as advertising. People in this thread are looking to buy international GN3, which will work on AT&T in US. If the phone is region locked then it won't work. Therefore, listing the countries, where there is no region lock would be very much relevant to this topic.[/QUOTEN
N9005 from HK or Singapore (perhaps others too) will work.
The South American N9000 are region locked to South American, North American, carribean etc. SIM cards (western hemisphere).
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I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
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I have seen several posts on flashing XT1053(retail/tmobile/developer) firmware on XT1058(AT&T/Rogers/etc) hardware. I believe most people were only doing the OS though and not the entire flash(including the radio/modem)
The XT1053 is FCC ID ihdt56pa2 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 1700/850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04 and 17
The XT1058 is FCC ID ihdt56pa1 and includes: gsm 850/900/1800/1900, wcdma 850/1900 and LTE bands 02,04,05 and 17
So the differences are that the XT1053 supports wcdma 1700 and the XT1058 supports LTE band 05.
Wcdma 1700 is the same frequency range as LTE band 04, LTE band 05 is 850 Mhz. So it would really seem the two models should both be able to support the same frequencies/bands. The iFixit tear down of an XT1058 indicated it has a multimode power amplifier module for Quad-Band GSM / EDGE and Penta-Band (Bands I, II, IV, V, VIII) WCDMA/ HSDPA/ HSUPA/ HSPA+/ LTE. It also has a separate power amp for LTE bands 12 and 17.
I can't see Motorola applying for multiple FCC ID certifications if the hardware really was identical but who really knows what the differences are. Is there a limitation to the total number of bands the phone controller can handle, so in one phone they selected wcdma 1700 and the other they selected LTE band 05? Is it possible AT&T wanted a phone that specifically couldn't do wcdma 1700 mhz?
I'm reasonably new to android and haven't done a lot of flashing, can someone please confirm if the full retail flash from an XT1053 can be loaded into an XT1058 (I assume an unlocked bootloader is required). And if someone has done it can they report back that the radio portion of the flash is updated and what the results are.
I'm also puzzled why Motorola got Canadian certification for the XT1058 model. If they had the XT1053 certified for use in Canada it would work on 5 providers instead of the three the XT1058 supports here(again unless that was purposely selected by Rogers Canada so the phone couldn't be used on two of the other providers here once sim unlocked).
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Rogers Canada has the 1058 , I usually flash at&t Roms but I have flashed t-mobile Roms too.
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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can i flash t-mobile moto x firmware to my att moto x? just to remove the sim unlock code?
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No I don't believe so
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Hmm, bad news for me
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Flash retail developer edition in xt1058 unlocked bootloader
Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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Hello, this is my first first post, but i have been reading this forum since years ago.
I have a XT1058, i bought it in Mexico (America Movil version, shipped with locked bootloader). Following Motorola instructions I acquire to unlock the bootloader, then I followed one thread from here and flashed the AT&T KitKat, everithing is running fine so far.
Now I'm wondering is possible or anyone from here have the experience of flash a developer firmware in a XT1058 with unlocked bootloader (MOTO X, GSM Dev Edition:KK 4.4-13.11.1Q2.X-69-3_MR2 (Retail)), I want a more clean installation, without the bloatware included in the AT&T rom.
It is possible to mess the radios? I want to keep the LTE service.
Any comment will be really appreciated.
Thanks
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I have a PR XT1058 and I'm running the Retail 4.4 ROM that you mentioned above and it's running fine. Apart from a little higher battery drain (I think), there's nothing to complain about.
I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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I am also using the retail(tmobile) 4.4 with XT1058 hardware. I did flash the NON_HLOS.bin and fsg.mbn from the AT&T 4.4(XT1058 hardware) build though. I can't say for certain it makes a difference but I really feel like I see less time without a signal. I don't use 2600 Mhz/Band 7 LTE so I can't say if it is enabled or disabled at the moment.
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How's your battery life?
Thanks you guys, I'll try the dev firmware, the worst thing that can happen is go back to AT&T in case something doesn't work properly
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How's your battery life?
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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Excellent. I have no weird drains of any kind. I don't use wifi at all and only turn location services on if needed. I generally have the phone off charge for 17 hours per day, 2 hours of screen on time and end the day with 60 to 70% battery remaining. Most days I see a no signal percentage of 1 to 3%, if I disable LTE I will see no signal loss at all. My LTE is on the AWS band so its not super strong most places and only works upstairs at my house, in the basement I go back to HSPA.
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Wow I wish I could say the same! My phone is currently at 15h 55m on battery and I'm down to 47%. Mobile data is off but everything else is on. Screen time is 37m.
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
On the weekend I didn't charge the phone Saturday night, phone was off charger for two days, 3.5 hours of screen on time, still had 25% when I plugged it in last night. I really found my biggest drain was the GPS and wifi looking for location all the time. I could care less if I ever use wifi so I leave it off. I don't want anything tracking me so I prefer to have GPS off completely. It does mean certain features don't work as well as intended though, I can't just ask google to tell me the temperature outside, it will get the location wrong as it has to fall back to my providers wireless IP location which is not that close to me.
Also got my dream phrase to work pretty good, I use "ok skynet now" to get the X to do stuff for me.
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I just compared the md5 hashes of NON-HLOS.bin from ATT_XT1058_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-54_CFC_1FF.xml and TMO_RETAIL_XT1053_4.2.2-13.9.0Q2.X-116-X-17-57_MR1_CFC.xml and they don't match. So the modem code in the Moto X is not the same in all builds, I think it's actually the other way round. I think the modem hardware is the same in all models and it just selects the proper radios based on loaded ROM.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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I am pretty sure it is actually different, if they could make one hardware model they would as it would save them a ton of money. Receiving the FCC certifications for the different hardware is expensive, as is making more then one model. I know using the retail build does not magically enable HSPA/WCDMA on band 4 on my XT1058, I've checked several times.
Or if they aren't different they are programmed as different from the factory. If you do a "fastboot getvar all" you can see there is a flag which sets the radio hardware installed, it is 0x01 for an XT1058 and different for other models.
The CDMA models are also different for certain as they have an extra CDMA baseband processor in them which has been verified by hardware teardown.
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Makes sense...
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I have switched between the AT&T 4.4 and the retail 4.4 build several times. I really did feel the AT&T build gave slightly better battery life until I flashed the modems. It is not a big enough difference to really quantify though. I have thought maybe the modem code in the Moto X was the same in all builds and it just selected the proper radios based on the detected hardware. I don't believe that is actually the case any longer though as I have read people with XT1058 hardware have lost the 2600 mhz band with the stock retail modem.
If my provider used the 2600 mhz band I'd test and verify but it is the other provider in town using it.
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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My XT1058 is from Rogers Canada, they allow bootloader unlocking. I don't think it can be done with a locked bootloader.
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I bought a used AT&T Moto X XT1058, now running KitKat 4.4 on the stock rom, but rooted so that I could use my Tmobile SIM.
I've been trying to find a way to flash the retail version of KitKat 4.4 in place of the AT&T rom, but I don't see how to do it with a locked bootloader. Can you explain (or point to a thread) how you were able to switch from AT&T 4.4 to retail 4.4?
Thanks!
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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I don't think @Steve-x has an AT&T XT1058, he probably has one of those Latin American XT1058s (like mine) which bootloader can be unlocked.
Edit: He just confirmed that it's actually a Canadian XT1058.
Afaik, you cannot flash another carrier's ROM with a locked bootloader unless both carrier ROMs have the same CID. For example, all Latin American ROMs are CID12, so I think you can flash ROMs from different Latin American carriers on a Latin American phone without unlocking the bootloader, but you wouldn't be able to flash another ROM which has a different CID.
I 'm not sure what CID the Retail US ROM has, but I don't think it has the same CID as the AT&T ROM.
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Thanks guys. Okay. I'll keep watching for boot loader exploits, or otherwise see about selling my phone to buy a T-Mobile version.
Hi, I also flashed unmodéle XT1058 AmericaMovil with TMO-Rom XT1053 and my Moto x became a 1053 XT, so it's great ROM that determines xTxxx type and not the hardware.
Best rergards - The 4G is already on use in Belgium , with this configuration and carrier BASE . . . Enjoy !
Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
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Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 VZ Dev Ed gives me band 4 LTE with a TMo SIM. Have yet to try it since flashing a EU 4.4.2 file (kept my 4.4 VZ radios, so I can't imagine it would change much, but Play Store recognizes my device as XT1052 now, which I find funny).
What app do you use to check the band?
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What app do you use to check the band?
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I have nothing that will display the LTE Band. I would love to find one that does.
For me, its process of Elimination.. VZW X initially supported LTE Band 13, which T-mobile doesn't support. T-Mobile does support LTE Band 4, which is the only other VZW LTE Band. (VZW lists Band 13 and 4 on their page for the X). Since I get LTE with my T-Mobile SIM it must be LTE band 4.
If you get T-Mobile LTE in any device, it supports AWS LTE, period.
I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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As far as I know, no, not on vanilla Android. I also own a Galaxy S4 and what you're talking about is integrated into TouchWiz.
The Moto X used to tell you what Band it was on...this was prior to the Kitkat update. After that, I have been unable to find an app that tells me what band it is using. If anyone else has ideas, let me know. (BTW I am not rooted.)
Hi,
I recently purchased a new xt1058 on ebay, it's the US model i belive, but LTE doesn't work in france.
xt1058 have 2/4/5/7/17 bands activated and LTE in france is 20.
Is there any way to change that ? Can I switch modem files from xt1052 rom (EU version) ?
I'm running kk 4.4.4 212.44.26.ghost_row.RCI.en.CA version.
Thanks!
According to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks#Europe
France carriers also use band 7 (along with 20). So if you have the proper carrier, you should be fine.
Emiliano55 said:
France carriers also use band 7 (along with 20). So if you have the proper carrier, you should be fine.
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I think the problem is that LTE on band 7 is only on 2600MHz, only band 20 use 800MHz in France
There are 2 different bands mate. One is 2600mhz and the other is 800Mhz. According to Wiki, there are carriers in France that uses 2600Mhz as frecuency for LTE. If that's the case, you should be fine. Look at the link I pasted before.
Emiliano55 said:
There are 2 different bands mate. One is 2600mhz and the other is 800Mhz. According to Wiki, there are carriers in France that uses 2600Mhz as frecuency for LTE. If that's the case, you should be fine. Look at the link I pasted before.
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The problem is the moto x use only 850/900/1900/2100 frequencies , not 2600 MHz.
Thibzzz said:
The problem is the moto x use only 850/900/1900/2100 frequencies , not 2600 MHz.
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Those are the 3G bands that the Moto X supports. Not LTE bands. You are confusing things here.
XT1058 uses LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17 (look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(1st_generation)#Variants)
Hence, it uses 1900/1700/850/2600/700.
Many carriers in the EU use band 20 in most cities, the official reason is, band 20 covers more area and only band 7 is used in cluster areas, such as football stadiums, airports, central train stations etc.
At least thats what the German carriers say.
So its mainly an economic decision to use band 20 for regular urban areas and only use band 7 (which doesn't cover so much km²) in the cluster areas.
There is a user who is currently editing some files to enable software wise other LTE frequencies for the Droid, have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/droid-turbo-conquers-europe-t2995343/page3
This however, will only enable the LTE bands software wise, it hasn't been tested yet, if the LTE works then in the EU for band 20 or if its a hardware limitation or if you need to flash the EU modem, too
dagoban said:
Many carriers in the EU use band 20 in most cities, the official reason is, band 20 covers more area and only band 7 is used in cluster areas, such as football stadiums, airports, central train stations etc.
At least thats what the German carriers say.
So its mainly an economic decision to use band 20 for regular urban areas and only use band 7 (which doesn't cover so much km²) in the cluster areas.
There is a user who is currently editing some files to enable software wise other LTE frequencies for the Droid, have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/droid-turbo-conquers-europe-t2995343/page3
This however, will only enable the LTE bands software wise, it hasn't been tested yet, if the LTE works then in the EU for band 20 or if its a hardware limitation or if you need to flash the EU modem, too
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I tried to enable bands 3,7 and 20 on my XT1053 and it didn't work for me.
sanez said:
I tried to enable bands 3,7 and 20 on my XT1053 and it didn't work for me.
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What exactly did you try? Flashing the other radio / modem file or by unlocking it in the software or both?
dagoban said:
What exactly did you try? Flashing the other radio / modem file or by unlocking it in the software or both?
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I have since months xt1052 fw with 1053 radio and this allowed me to have Italian language and 3G/H+ working fine. xt1052 radio don't work at all on US devices.
Tried last week to enable bands modifying NV strings via QXDM but there's not effect. GSM and WCDMA are good, but no LTE. I guess is hw limitation, or some other NV items must be changed to get it working.
Emiliano55 said:
Those are the 3G bands that the Moto X supports. Not LTE bands. You are confusing things here.
XT1058 uses LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17
Hence, it uses 1900/1700/850/2600/700.
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Ok, thanks for the clarification
By the way, there is a nice wiki who talks about french LTE bands, and according to it, band 7 @2600Mhz is used by 3 carriers, including mine, but no LTE on my moto x...
As Dagoban said, carriers must mainly use band 20 @800mhz to cover large areas.
Quick rundown of my situation....
I was using an XT1097 on AT&T, broke my screen and went through Motorola to replace it. For a replacement they sent me an XT1095. Opened it up and immediately took the Lollipop update but everything on it is T-Mo, including the baseband. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like the 4G coverage is not the same. Places at my job I used to get service and 4G do not work anymore or are very spotty. Would having all the T-Mo info on it affect me? Is there anyway to put the AT&T stuff back on it? I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and installed TWRP.
Just not sure what my options are....
KB
KB Smoka said:
Quick rundown of my situation....
I was using an XT1097 on AT&T, broke my screen and went through Motorola to replace it. For a replacement they sent me an XT1095. Opened it up and immediately took the Lollipop update but everything on it is T-Mo, including the baseband. Maybe it's just in my head but I feel like the 4G coverage is not the same. Places at my job I used to get service and 4G do not work anymore or are very spotty. Would having all the T-Mo info on it affect me? Is there anyway to put the AT&T stuff back on it? I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and installed TWRP.
Just not sure what my options are....
KB
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The hardware is different. AT&T uses a LTE band that the 1095 is missing. Maybe changing the APN could have more signal but I doubt ...
juliospinoza said:
The hardware is different. AT&T uses a LTE band that the 1095 is missing. Maybe changing the APN could have more signal but I doubt ...
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Didn't Motorola restore the missing bands in the PE with the 5.0 update?
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Didn't Motorola restore the missing bands in the PE with the 5.0 update?
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XT1095 (GSM Unlocked US Pure edition), UMTS Bands (850/900/1700/1900/2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [Sim unlocked and capatable with most GSM networks including AT&T and T-Mobile; LTE bands software restricted to 2/4/17]
XT1097 (AT&T US, Retail Brazil), UMTS Bands (850,900,1700,1900,2100), LTE Bands (2/3/4/5/7/17/29) [The AT&T doesn't support LTE band 29 (software restricted) and is SIM locked whereas the non-US variants are SIM unlocked]
try flashing a xt1097 modem in order to use the LTE bands you company requires.
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try flashing a xt1097 modem in order to use the LTE bands you company requires.
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I was't sure if there were any risks in doing that but I will certainly look into it....
I guess I've been lucky, my xt1095 works just as great as my xt1097 did on att.
There is a thread over on motorola's forum that states that the software restriction to 2/4/17 present on XT1095 with KK was removed with the OTA to LL. So it should support the same LTE bands as the ATT version.
Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
I have seen phones take time to build a list of available signals in the area though.
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Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
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So once MoFo is opened up for the ATT XT1097, they should be able to flash XT1095 images as long as they are in ext4 format?
Or another way of thinking about it, if the ATT XT1097's bootloader could be unlocked (i know currently it can't be) then they should be able to flash XT1095 Custom ROMs correct?
Yes it should be fine. It's the same thing done with XT1097's from other providers that do allow boot loader unlocking such as Telus and Wind Mobile in Canada.
walrusmonarch said:
There is a thread over on motorola's forum that states that the software restriction to 2/4/17 present on XT1095 with KK was removed with the OTA to LL. So it should support the same LTE bands as the ATT version.
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No, it hasn't been removed yet. It's been confirmed that at some point they will activate those bands but it hasn't been done yet.
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Performance between the two phones should be identical as they have the exact same hardware and Motorola enabled all of the bands on the XT1095.
I have seen phones take time to build a list of available signals in the area though.
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It's definitely not identical and from what I've read they have not activated all of the bands yet. Hopefully soon.
There is no way to tell what bands are available on the phone is there?
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No, it hasn't been removed yet. It's been confirmed that at some point they will activate those bands but it hasn't been done yet.
It's definitely not identical and from what I've read they have not activated all of the bands yet. Hopefully soon.
There is no way to tell what bands are available on the phone is there?
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Are you sure? There are people posting over at Motorola's forum saying that since they took the LL OTA with the new baseband, they have been able to get LTE on bands 3,5 and 7.
I can't check this myself. I always connect to ATT's LTE on band 17 on my XT1095. I used LTE discovery to see what band I was using when connected.
From what I've seen/read they still weren't added but I could be wrong. I really hope I am right because in my case the experience between the XT1097 and XT1095 has been very different. I will give LTE discovery a try and see what's up.
Thanks!
I am 99.99999% sure the bands were enabled. Several people in Canada are using the XT1095 with LTE bands 2,4,5,7 and 17.