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Anyone know if there is a way to disable the lock pattern/pin in FROYO when you connect to an exchange server that requires it? I know about Lock 2.0, No Lock and Flyscreen but those are just overlays and wont disable the built in lock.
When I was running the Desire Rom there was a trigger you could set up on the table that held that flag but I'm sure that was a SenseUI thing.
I did search but found a ton of threads on the apps listed about but nothing to disable the built in lock.
aad4321 said:
I dont have that with exchage for me. It probably from the exchange sever and cannot be over ridden I know that blackberrys do that as well.
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Your exchange server admin must not that set up that security feature. My work has it set up. It was able to be overwritten but FROYO changed some APIs and that doesn't work any more. I'm hoping someone has found another way to do it but after I Google it, it doesn't look like it.
aad4321 said:
I dont have that with exchage for me. It probably from the exchange sever and cannot be over ridden I know that blackberrys do that as well.
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Of course it can be overridden. If you have root you control the phone and the rest is just software. Here ya go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655649
1) OK... What happens when you are on a bluetooth headset? Where does the audio route?
Since moto pretty much has an epic fail with regard to security in that you can't use touchless control AND a screen lock, I'm looking for solutions.
2) What would happen, for example, if you were to use a third party screen lock tool instead of native android? Would the same limitation apply?
3) Similarly, what about leaving the "phone" unlocked but locking key apps with something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sp.protector.free and you can set it to only require the passcode once per session. But lets say you "locked" messaging, what would happen if you tried to say "OK Google Now, send text to John Whats up", would that go through?
4) What about something like this to facilitate? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yinlong.voiceprintlock
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1) OK... What happens when you are on a bluetooth headset? Where does the audio route?
Since moto pretty much has an epic fail with regard to security in that you can't use touchless control AND a screen lock, I'm looking for solutions.
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As far as the blue tooth goes I'm not sure. But they did come out with a fix for the issue at hand.
Read up on this.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/moto-x-skip/
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matt99017d said:
As far as the blue tooth goes I'm not sure. But they did come out with a fix for the issue at hand.
Read up on this.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/moto-x-skip/
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That is far from a solution since it requires you to touch your phone to use touchless controls.
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That is far from a solution since it requires you to touch your phone to use touchless controls.
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I think your expectations are a bit high. Anytime you want to add security, you have to sacrifice convenience. Can't have both. It's like saying I want to have a safe that uses a fingerprint scanner, retina scan, and voice recognition to keep my money in it. The safe will be really secure, but you have to do all three steps every time you want to take money out.
Same analogy here. This is an Android security limitation, and not really anything Moto can do about it. As it is right now, you can't have notifications on the lockscreen with a security pin/pattern that shows portions of emails and texts without compromising privacy because anyone can see those previews, nor will voice activation be able to automatically unlock the lockscreen or any app that has a security lock. Just have to hope Google is working on giving more options that allow a various levels of security and privacy in Key Lime. You can use Tasker or Llama apps to set safe zones based on location data or networks to disable the lock screen when you want, but again you lose security to gain convenience in those safe zones.
These expectations are completely in line with the functionality of today. You can use a bluetooth headset to bypass screen locks and have been able to for some time. There is not a large security risk with someone being able to send a text via voice from your phone or navigate somewhere, but that is on the user to decide just like you can now place widgets on your lock screen which expose data.
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These expectations are completely in line with the functionality of today. You can use a bluetooth headset to bypass screen locks and have been able to for some time. There is not a large security risk with someone being able to send a text via voice from your phone or navigate somewhere, but that is on the user to decide just like you can now place widgets on your lock screen which expose data.
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I agree that it should be a user option to decide, but you can't blame Moto for taking the safe route by respecting default android policies especially with a brand new app. Otherwise they would get flak for not respecting security, as the bluetooth workaround could be considered a security flaw just as much as a convenience. There's also a reason why all android phones have the security lock disabled by default, simply because not everyone, including myself, are paranoid about security and that is why they focused on making voice activation work perfectly when the security lock is disabled. Bright side is for those who are, it's only software and Moto can easily update it in the coming months. In the mean time, use Tasker or Llama.
Pretty basic questions whether i need an app that does this or a workaround i just want to use my biometrics without a dam screenlock? Such as samsung pay, samsung pass, my bank apps and others. Dam google phone arent adding feature like before they are going back in time.
Except without root.
saulc1981 said:
Pretty basic questions whether i need an app that does this or a workaround i just want to use my biometrics without a dam screenlock? Such as samsung pay, samsung pass, my bank apps and others. Dam google phone arent adding feature like before they are going back in time.
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Actually you can without root. Set your biometrics normally with a password or a pin then go back to lock screen options and change it to swipe or no lock. And from there you will get a warning and it will have 2 options. One is remove data and the other is keep it. If you keep it it will work with the other apps. I have PayPal installed and I did the same thing also Samsung Pay.
And I'm not rooted using stock
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Actually you can without root. Set your biometrics normally with a password or a pin then go back to lock screen options and change it to swipe or no lock. And from there you will get a warning and it will have 2 options. One is remove data and the other is keep it. If you keep it it will work with the other apps. I have PayPal installed and I did the same thing also Samsung Pay.
And I'm not rooted using stock
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No dice. I know that already. My fault i did say basic. Thats the problem. When i put keep data like ice done for a long time but now i get this message and i cant use the fingerprint or iris with any app.
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No dice. I know that already. My fault i did say basic. Thats the problem. When i put keep data like ice done for a long time but now i get this message and i cant use the fingerprint or iris with any app.
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Well then you might need root access. I don't have root access but it works for me just fine so im not sure.
use a secure settings app to set automatic lock delay to something ridiculously high like 540000(several days)
and turn off "lock instantly with power key".
normally you're limited to 30 minutes by the settings app, but if you use a secure settings app you can manually change it to something much higher.
using this setup you no longer need a pin coming from standby(lockscreen is skipped completely) unless you don't touch your phone for several days.
you'll still need a pin when turning on your phone or accessing lockscreen settings, but that's not something you'll do multiple times a day.
this does require ADB(to grant the hidden "secure settings" permission to the secure settings app once) but doesn't require root.
You can't do it anymore. AFAIK, Samsung changed this with the Jan or Feb patch. There's an article on sammobile that highlighted the change.
Edit : Here's the article : https://www.sammobile.com/news/on-o...ed-and-stored-only-with-a-secure-screen-lock/
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Pretty basic questions whether i need an app that does this or a workaround i just want to use my biometrics without a dam screenlock? Such as samsung pay, samsung pass, my bank apps and others. Dam google phone arent adding feature like before they are going back in time.
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I don't use any screenlock etc on my phone.
What i have done is place all my relevant apps eg banking, password manager etc in the Secure folder
(knox protected) If i want to use them i use fingerprint to unlock my secure folder.
Then i use fingerprint, to log into my banking app or use fingerprint for my password manager.
Further, I only install the relevant app (Google Play) that i want, inside secure folder. So no duplication of app.
saulc1981 said:
Pretty basic questions whether i need an app that does this or a workaround i just want to use my biometrics without a dam screenlock? Such as samsung pay, samsung pass, my bank apps and others. Dam google phone arent adding feature like before they are going back in time.
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I found a small loophole if you have a bluetooth device. You can turn smart lock on and have it stay unlocked as long as its connected to that device be it headset, smartwatch, etc. You can also do it based on location.
Stevieboy02008 said:
Actually you can without root. Set your biometrics normally with a password or a pin then go back to lock screen options and change it to swipe or no lock. And from there you will get a warning and it will have 2 options. One is remove data and the other is keep it. If you keep it it will work with the other apps. I have PayPal installed and I did the same thing also Samsung Pay.
And I'm not rooted using stock
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It will On SOME apps paypal abd lastpass for example but not others Chase bank for example. Also whos bright idea was it to remove app long press option functionality? No more app info, uninstall etc. Why do they do this s%it?
demize! said:
It will On SOME apps paypal abd lastpass for example but not others Chase bank for example. Also whos bright idea was it to remove app long press option functionality? No more app info, uninstall etc. Why do they do this s%it?
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Lol. I know but actually some functions still work on the app long press
thedicemaster said:
use a secure settings app to set automatic lock delay to something ridiculously high like 540000(several days)
and turn off "lock instantly with power key".
normally you're limited to 30 minutes by the settings app, but if you use a secure settings app you can manually change it to something much higher.
using this setup you no longer need a pin coming from standby(lockscreen is skipped completely) unless you don't touch your phone for several days.
you'll still need a pin when turning on your phone or accessing lockscreen settings, but that's not something you'll do multiple times a day.
this does require ADB(to grant the hidden "secure settings" permission to the secure settings app once) but doesn't require root.
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Hi @thedicemaster this sounds like a great solution. I have been trying, but can't get it to work. Can you tell me more on how to do this? Appreciate it!
EDIT: Nvm, I managed to do it
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It's been years already but I have a way to get it to work without root without installing any apps. I hope it helps some one.
You will need adb and usb debugging on. Open cmd / terminal and execute these 2 commands:
Code:
adb shell settings put secure lock_after_timeout_rollback 86400000
adb shell settings put secure lock_screen_lock_after_timeout 86400000
86400000 = 24 hours in miliseconds. You can change to a number that you find suitable.
This secure settings will survive after reboot so you only need to do once.
I have noticed that my important email has been compromised. I've seen logins from the US (I've never been in the US) and even parts of Sweden that I have not visited (and by a browser that I've never used, so it's not me).
I am really surprised by this considering I use 2-factor authentication on it and my Note 8 doesn't even have Google authenticator visible. It is installed but I've hid it and use it by going to app store and searching for it.
All my important websites are protected by 2-factor authenticator. Except for my phone. I have BitDefender antivirus but I am not sure if this is enough.
I need something really strong to protect my phone from people accessing it and its apps. Mainly a protection against keyloggers.
My phone is rooted if that makes any difference.
Also, I don't mind if it costs money. I will pay well for top notch protection.
Nebell said:
I have noticed that my important email has been compromised. I've seen logins from the US (I've never been in the US) and even parts of Sweden that I have not visited (and by a browser that I've never used, so it's not me).
I am really surprised by this considering I use 2-factor authentication on it and my Note 8 doesn't even have Google authenticator visible. It is installed but I've hid it and use it by going to app store and searching for it.
All my important websites are protected by 2-factor authenticator. Except for my phone. I have BitDefender antivirus but I am not sure if this is enough.
I need something really strong to protect my phone from people accessing it and its apps. Mainly a protection against keyloggers.
My phone is rooted if that makes any difference.
Also, I don't mind if it costs money. I will pay well for top notch protection.
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If it wasn't rooted I would just encrypt the sd card, make sure you have a good pattern/password and use Secure Folder for anything more sensitive. Between all that, bitdefender, and 2-factor authentication on accounts where possible, the only other thing I can think of is using a VPN when connecting to public wifi. Of course root breaks Knox though, so that changes things here for Secure Folder, etc. Maybe there are some other security apps you could use instead for sensitive stuff, as well as a firewall app, but root does run counter to maximum security.
Nebell said:
I have noticed that my important email has been compromised. I've seen logins from the US (I've never been in the US) and even parts of Sweden that I have not visited (and by a browser that I've never used, so it's not me).
I am really surprised by this considering I use 2-factor authentication on it and my Note 8 doesn't even have Google authenticator visible. It is installed but I've hid it and use it by going to app store and searching for it.
All my important websites are protected by 2-factor authenticator. Except for my phone. I have BitDefender antivirus but I am not sure if this is enough.
I need something really strong to protect my phone from people accessing it and its apps. Mainly a protection against keyloggers.
My phone is rooted if that makes any difference.
Also, I don't mind if it costs money. I will pay well for top notch protection.
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Rooted phone = lack of security!
As soon as a phone is rooted there is little security as all the inbuilt security (safe folder & knox) are gone and banking apps won't work!
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sefrcoko said:
If it wasn't rooted I would just encrypt the sd card, make sure you have a good pattern/password and use Secure Folder for anything more sensitive. Between all that, bitdefender, and 2-factor authentication on accounts where possible, the only other thing I can think of is using a VPN when connecting to public wifi. Of course root breaks Knox though, so that changes things here for Secure Folder, etc. Maybe there are some other security apps you could use instead for sensitive stuff, as well as a firewall app, but root does run counter to maximum security.
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Thanks. I guess I already have enough security. I was baffled that my e-mail was compromised. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I noticed no change to any of my files etc. But it does show suspicious logins from countries I have never been to.
robmeik said:
Rooted phone = lack of security!
As soon as a phone is rooted there is little security as all the inbuilt security (safe folder & knox) are gone and banking apps won't work!
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Yeah thanks for the obvious pointer. But rooting a phone is a must. Also, all my banking apps work just fine. I am not dependant on Samsung.
As was mentioned earlier, use a VPN when using the internet. It does protect your IP and is handy to get to content you can't access from your country..
Nebell said:
Thanks. I guess I already have enough security. I was baffled that my e-mail was compromised. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I noticed no change to any of my files etc. But it does show suspicious logins from countries I have never been to.
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I assume you have already done this, but I would immediately change my password to that account (along with any other accounts that share the same password), even though you have rwo-factor authentication. Unless you logged in while on VPN or proxy, suspicious logins from other countries you haven't visited sounds like a red flag.
sefrcoko said:
I assume you have already done this, but I would immediately change my password to that account (along with any other accounts that share the same password), even though you have rwo-factor authentication. Unless you logged in while on VPN or proxy, suspicious logins from other countries you haven't visited sounds like a red flag.
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I changed every important website to a password that is so hard to type I need to do it carefully every time. I got in contact with Fastmail (who btw is an awesome e-mail service, although paid) and they said that my phone is compromised.
Damnit.
I use my phone far more than my computers. They also suggested that I use a password manager but if my phone is compromised so easily then I probably am better off just getting better protection for my phone.
Nebell said:
I changed every important website to a password that is so hard to type I need to do it carefully every time. I got in contact with Fastmail (who btw is an awesome e-mail service, although paid) and they said that my phone is compromised.
Damnit.
I use my phone far more than my computers. They also suggested that I use a password manager but if my phone is compromised so easily then I probably am better off just getting better protection for my phone.
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Damn that really sucks...sorry yo hear that. Hmm at this point I would backup photos, etc, flash stock firmware, and start fresh. Be careful with what you reinstall, as one of those apps/mods may possibly be the culprit.
@Nebell are you using sms to get your 2step-authentication code? maybe all your sms are being forwarded (via some malware app). You should be using a firewall if you are rooted.
Lots of apps have permission to access sms text messages and even send it.
Before i side load any apps, i use virustotal.com , go to website, upload APK file and if malware then install (if you must have it) but block it using firewall, any other red flags, then find another apk version or similar app.
Let Fastmail know of your breach and they can check which other devices or websites are registered/ linked to your account.
I suggest you backup your data, virus scan it all on a PC, wipe your android phone and start fresh. I use backup-your-mobile by Artur, to export my calendar, contacts, sms, call logs, etc. it works quite good.
good luck mate.
I think it might have been a false positive.
I reset my phone to factory settings and changed all passwords and suddenly "Ashburn US" login kept getting failed attempts on my email. But as soon as I reinstalled Edison Mail app and logged in, the success login from Ashburn US resumed.
It must somehow be connected to that app. I've sent a message to Edison and asked them if they are associated with that location. Maybe their server is located there or something, but I will wait and see what they reply before I take next action.
The fact that makes me believe this was a false positive is that I never noticed anyone reading my email or actually trying to do something, and I do have sensitive stuff in there.
Make sure you put 1* reviews on your Banking apps or all apps that need updating to support face unlock, hopefully it will help speed up the development and support of face unlock on the pixel 4. I am really missing fingerprint unlock on my apps!
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Make sure you put 1* reviews on your Banking apps or all apps that need updating to support face unlock, hopefully it will help speed up the development and support of face unlock on the pixel 4. I am really missing fingerprint unlock on my apps!
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Why? I just contacted my credit union asking for them to add support. Maybe larger national banks and stuff should have been aware and had support ready but smaller, more local institutions might just need to know that it's a thing on Android now.
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In the Play Store, you can reach out to contact each app's development team via email. I've written to Chase, Bank of America, Mint, Credit Karma, and the other apps I use. Some developers are aware that they need to update, others aren't. Here are some of the responses I've received.
My original email (to each app):
Please update the Android app to support the biometric API so that I can use the secure face unlock on my Pixel 4! Thank you!
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Bank of America:
Thank you for your feedback and we apologize for the inconvenience. We are working to update to the latest biometric authentication for the Pixel 4 and expect to have a supporting app shortly. For now, sign-in to the app using your online ID and password. Please look out for an app update soon.
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Chase:
We'll be happy to review your request to update the
Android App.
Ivan, please note that the Chase Mobile App will work on
any Android smart phone or tablet running Android
operating system 5.0 (Lollipop) or higher. The minimum
operating system is 5.0 or higher. If your mobile phone
does not have the minimum requirement, the Chase Mobile
app will not be compatible.
We want our mobile app users to have the best experience
possible, so we regularly test chase.com using the most
current versions of operating systems. Since some mobile
app functionality may not work well on older operating
systems, we ask that you perform these updates. We
recommend you update your operating system and application
to the newest versions available. If your device isn't set
up to receive updates automatically, you can get the We
recommend you update your operating system and application
to the newest versions available.
We appreciate your business and thank you for choosing
Chase.
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Credit Karma:
To determine if your Touch ID or Face ID function is turned on or off, go into your settings by clicking the icon in the top right corner of the app. The directions are the same whether you’re using Touch ID or Face ID.
If Touch or Face ID is turned on you will see a green circle with a white check mark.
If it’s turned off, simply click the empty circle and you’ll be prompted with a message stating the fingerprints or face registered on your phone can be used to access your Credit Karma account. Click “OK” to this prompt and you will be asked to enter your PIN to confirm this change.
Touch or Face ID is now turned on and you will be allowed to use this function to access the Credit Karma app moving forward.
Please note that if you log out of your account, the next time you open the app you’ll be prompted to enter your email address and password.
Thanks so much,
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I've been sending further follow-ups to the ones who clearly don't understand what we are asking.
The more people who contact them, the more they'll understand that their apps are the problem by not using the current API.
I think Chase already stated that they were going to have an update before the end of the year. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Robinhood works!
btonetbone said:
In the Play Store, you can reach out to contact each app's development team via email. I've written to Chase, Bank of America, Mint, Credit Karma, and the other apps I use. Some developers are aware that they need to update, others aren't. Here are some of the responses I've received.
My original email (to each app):
Bank of America:
Chase:
Credit Karma:
I've been sending further follow-ups to the ones who clearly don't understand what we are asking.
The more people who contact them, the more they'll understand that their apps are the problem by not using the current API.
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Very nice work, I have left reviews and also contacted all my Banks via email. Hopefully it speeds up the process.
Throwing up a bunch of one-star reviews won't help, and all it serves to do is make the rater (you) look petty and childish. I'll send an email to my institutions, like a grownup, and go from there.
Getting in contact directly works best, via the play store will get you to the android app devs. I usually go through Twitter and you get a spokesperson who wouldn't know an apk from an adb and will give a stock response of soon™.
Remind them that the old biometric APIs are deprecated and that they should update to current versioning. Should anything happen they don't want to be the story of the bank that wasn't able to keep up.
Honestly I'm not missing it that much for my bank that much because I use LastPass which autofills it quickly. I do miss it for Outlook though because I have to do a pin.
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So Far E-Trade has been updated to the Pixels face Unlock... I sent an email via the app store also to a credit union hoping they will update their app. I'm hoping within the next 2 weeks to a month that all major banks will update...
How secure if this anyway? I mean, my banking account has a password. I enter that password in my banking app to log into my account. In the future I will use my facial scan to log into my banking app.
Does that mean my banking account will have two password (1x password + 1x facial scan) oder will my password be stored somewhere in the app or on android and simply be passed on the my facial scan is verified?
Both do not sound very secure to me.
If you don't feel it's secure then just don't use the app.. simple. I trust that the banks know the risks and have mitigated them. After all they are the ones on the hook if there's fraud.
bobby janow said:
If you don't feel it's secure then just don't use the app.. simple. I trust that the banks know the risks and have mitigated them. After all they are the ones on the hook if there's fraud.
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Not really the informative answer I was looking for.
I wouldn't blindly trust a bank app or any of the other countless apps that would use my facial scan.
What happens if your facial scan gets stolen / leaked. Everyone with that information will for ever be able to access your data. And you can't even change your access code like you would be able to with a password.
And it seems like you also have no idea where your facial scan is being saved, and how it is secured / locked down. Maybe it is just a plain file on your phone's storage? You don't seem to know.
Why no simply write down all your passwords in a .txt file and save it on your sdcard? That would alteast have the advantage that you could change your password at some point.
Utini said:
Not really the informative answer I was looking for.
I wouldn't blindly trust a bank app or any of the other countless apps that would use my facial scan.
What happens if your facial scan gets stolen / leaked. Everyone with that information will for ever be able to access your data. And you can't even change your access code like you would be able to with a password.
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Isn't the face unlock for that device only? It's not like someone can install your bank app on their phone, somehow use your face unlock information, and spoof you on that device. Also there's still 2 step verification, at least with my bank, so the new app would still need to get the verification code. If anything, it's easier to do with your password because that's something that can be typed in and then somehow get the verification code text.
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Utini said:
Not really the informative answer I was looking for.
I wouldn't blindly trust a bank app or any of the other countless apps that would use my facial scan.
What happens if your facial scan gets stolen / leaked. Everyone with that information will for ever be able to access your data. And you can't even change your access code like you would be able to with a password.
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I'm not sure of the question you are asking. It seemed rhetorical to me basically commenting on how you don't think fingerprint, facial or password entry is secure on your app. I don't think any of it is stored in the cloud but nonetheless it's probably not as secure as walking into your bank and transacting with a teller. Even websites probably aren't as secure as you wish they were. So what exactly are you asking that you expect a reply to? You can perhaps check with your bank as to what your liability would be if your account got hacked.
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Isn't the face unlock for that device only? It's not like someone can install your bank app on their phone, somehow use your face unlock information, and spoof you on that device. Also there's still 2 step verification, at least with my bank, so the new app would still need to get the verification code. If anything, it's easier to do with your password because that's something that can be typed in and then somehow get the verification code text.
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Oh is it? That makes it defeniately more secure. But then I would still like to know how it is ensured that my facial scan only works with my specific mobile device and not with any other mobile device.
Yep for banking there is still 2 step verficiation. Good point. But I was actually thinking more about e.g. KeePass.
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I'm not sure of the question you are asking. It seemed rhetorical to me basically commenting on how you don't think fingerprint, facial or password entry is secure on your app. I don't think any of it is stored in the cloud but nonetheless it's probably not as secure as walking into your bank and transacting with a teller. Even websites probably aren't as secure as you wish they were. So what exactly are you asking that you expect a reply to? You can perhaps check with your bank as to what your liability would be if your account got hacked.
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Maybe I didn't explain my question good enough. I will try again:
Currently I would unlock e.g. my KeePass Database with a password.
In the future I would use my facial scan for that.
I wonder at what point my facial scan will access my password of the KeePass Database, because it somehow has to know my password in order to unlock KeePass?
And in that case my password suddenly isn't saved only in my head anymore but also within android or another app (because Face Unlock has to somehow know it?).
Or will my KeePass database get a second "password" which is my facial scan data?
In that case I want to make sure that my facial scan is very secure and can't be stolen. Because if it turns up in smth like "haveibeenpwnd.com" everyone will forever be able to access all my files with my leaked facial scan which I cannot even change to something different anymore.
Utini said:
Maybe I didn't explain my question good enough. I will try again:
Currently I would unlock e.g. my KeePass Database with a password.
In the future I would use my facial scan for that.
I wonder at what point my facial scan will access my password of the KeePass Database, because it somehow has to know my password in order to unlock KeePass?
And in that case my password suddenly isn't saved only in my head anymore but also within android or another app (because Face Unlock has to somehow know it?).
Or will my KeePass database get a second "password" which is my facial scan data?
In that case I want to make sure that my facial scan is very secure and can't be stolen. Because if it turns up in smth like "haveibeenpwnd.com" everyone will forever be able to access all my files with my leaked facial scan which I cannot even change to something different anymore.
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I used LastPass and I think it's not different then when I died the fingerprint option for it. There's a master password for the account and biometric login is, again, just for the individual device. And again, there's 2 step verification at least with LastPass, for whenever you set up.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I used LastPass and I think it's not different then when I died the fingerprint option for it. There's a master password for the account and biometric login is, again, just for the individual device. And again, there's 2 step verification at least with LastPass, for whenever you set up.
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Sounds interesting and secure. Now I am interested in how it is ensured that my fingerprint / facial scan will only work with my specific mobile device and that the stolen data from my device can't be used from another device
Utini said:
Oh is it? That makes it defeniately more secure. But then I would still like to know how it is ensured that my facial scan only works with my specific mobile device and not with any other mobile device.
Yep for banking there is still 2 step verficiation. Good point. But I was actually thinking more about e.g. KeePass.
Maybe I didn't explain my question good enough. I will try again:
Currently I would unlock e.g. my KeePass Database with a password.
In the future I would use my facial scan for that.
I wonder at what point my facial scan will access my password of the KeePass Database, because it somehow has to know my password in order to unlock KeePass?
And in that case my password suddenly isn't saved only in my head anymore but also within android or another app (because Face Unlock has to somehow know it?).
Or will my KeePass database get a second "password" which is my facial scan data?
In that case I want to make sure that my facial scan is very secure and can't be stolen. Because if it turns up in smth like "haveibeenpwnd.com" everyone will forever be able to access all my files with my leaked facial scan which I cannot even change to something different anymore.
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Oh I see now. This really has more to do with your password manager than the bank. Unfortunately, I don't use a PM even though I suppose I should. Everyone says it's pretty secure. Since I don't really know what I'm talking about at this point I'll give it a shot anyway. lol
I don't think the facial scan or the fingerprint scan is saved anywhere other than your device. But I do use fingerprint (or did) scans on my banking app. If I change my password on the banking site my fingerprint scan will no longer work on the app. I would first have to change my password on the app and then reregister my fingerprint when the new password is entered. Can we compare it to the face scan at this point? I mean you can't change your fingerprints either right? Before I go on, am I reading your concerns correctly?
Utini said:
Sounds interesting and secure. Now I am interested in how it is ensured that my fingerprint / facial scan will only work with my specific mobile device and that the stolen data from my device can't be used from another device
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https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/9517039?hl=en
Maybe this confirms it?View attachment 4860867
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