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guys,
please read the text below and let me know what you think about it...
although people try to mask the situation by giving it good names the truth is that this is happening and something has to be done before things get worse.
some folks are using this forum to sell what they call 'their' products. they get these ROMs, they make changes to it by adding or removing software. then they publish it as if they are 'sharing' their 'work' but, strangely, they do it in a very commercial way by naming their 'work' with appealing words to get attention.
when these ROMs go published, they often take a few first posts of the thread as they have a lot of information to add..... and screenshots to publish..... and donations to 'suggest'...... and donors' names to publish.
sometimes it will happen that a few folks who are trying these home cooked ROMs with applications that are less likely to be used by most people will end up having serious problems that eventually will get fixed by the 'chef' .... on a new version.
the principle of sharing a piece of work entirely made by yourself is that it cannot be asked anything in exchange otherwise, even if slightly suggested, it's nothing but a sale and by getting copyrighted software, making changes to it, 'sharing' and suggesting donations from the testers, well.... i'm pretty sure this isn't completely nice.... and either legal.
although i never really bothered to look into these roms to see what's really inside them (even flashing them on my phones sometimes) i decided to do it earlier this week. the funny thing you see when you dump these roms. they are not being shared with other folks, they are being sold, and they should not be touched.
another interesting thing is that if you look into the other subforums carefully you'll see that the same chefs often publish roms for more than one handset which gets me thinking two things: 1) do they really have all these handsets they publish ROMs for? 2) if so, are these roms really tested before they go online?
i don't want to be seen as a troublemaker cause it seems that these folks have made a living out of this cooked rom thing and they appear to have gotten themselves a pretty nice bunch of fans too. however, what i want with this thread is to raise a debate and the reason is that i really like this forum and i'm concerned about something that is happening and i completely disagree.
So what is your main concern?
That the chefs would like to have donations?
Or that someone takes a pile of code and alters it not according to the original programmer?
abe
big people talk about idea..
small people talk about other people..
You have a point with "selling someone else's code, slightly altered and selling it as your own", but I think the ROM cookers only like donations for the work they do tuning the original roms and most of the time adding functionality to the device. A lot of the "better known" chefs have gathered testers around them, so most of the bugs are gone before a release.
What exactly is the debate? Where are the facts/proof that this is occuring? you cant make such a statement without backing it up with some evidence.
I know some chefs actually put ALOT of time and effort into cooking a rom, testing it and informing the community about any errors found.
I've cooked a Rom or two myself and am working on a driver set for MSM devices. It takes ALOT of my time to do so and it's not only for my own benefit. Thank God there are people out there who help me with that. (you know who you are, if you're reading this)
I'm not saying that it's right to pass your ROMs off as your own, but I do know some chefs are better in making the devices perform alot better than HTC's programmers do. And if people want to reward them for their time and effort through donations, who am I to question that?
On the other hand, I find the "lack" of community more disturbing. Some people aren't sharing their knowledge for the common good, but for getting credited or donations. I believe that's the discussion here.
Just my 2 cents.
Well, I think that if they "invest" lot of their time (and they do), it is ok to have donation button. Nobody if forceing you to pay for rom. If you like it you can donate. Fair deal if you ask me!
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guys,
the funny thing you see when you dump these roms. they are not being shared with other folks, they are being sold, and they should not be touched.
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This part I don't like. I think that they shouldn't do that, because in that case, like you said, roms are in some way being sold. That is not in the spirit of xda.
I think what he may be referring to is some members that take the ROM's from a known cook and post it with screenshots in other forums and other language forums with potential to gain off someone else work. I know of 1 instance where a Link to a ROM for only a beta test ended up with more than 500 downloads when intended for less than 10. It was found posted around in different forums.
To reward someone for there hard work in customization is up to the community. I think most people know the ROM's are not the property of the cooks, but just the cooks work in rearranging, adding, deleting, and customizing. I for one can tell you the amount of donations most cooks receive is very small and in most cases would barely cover a unlimited account for downloads. I myself think of it as I'm cooking for myself and if other people like then that's ok too.
Hi
If I use HTC mobiles is because the cooked roms...
Iosu
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On the other hand, I find the "lack" of community more disturbing. Some people aren't sharing their knowledge for the common good, but for getting credited or donations. I believe that's the discussion here.
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For me the first thing to do in order to solve this "problem" is to prohibit any "protected" ROM. I think its not fair to take official ressources, work with tools, which can be found in this forums, and then "protect" the ROM, claiming that its your own choice.
I don't think that this is the right way to go, as other (new) cookers could learn a lot from these ROMs.
But, I don't think that this is the "problem" that SlakerBoi is talking about, is it?
As these discussions tend to come and go every now and then ...
Indeed it costs a huge amount of time in the first place. And a lot of users appreciate the work all cooks are doing overhere. Besides the cooking giving people advise. I can tell you that most cooks share their knowledge. Not always visible to everyone but most of them have contact and help each other. Furthermore, is offering your rom for dumping without any guidance the best way to share?
Everyone that asks for a package, help or guidance in any way is supported in the cooking thread. Some did publish a very nice rom after some time. In my opinion it is a far better contribution then offering an open rom without any support.
The reason I cook my own roms the way I do is for speed purpose. If you have another opinion that is fine with me. But tolerate each other on having a different approach. These kind of statements in threads only give xda a bad vibe. Open your mind, when you want or need something ask for it. It's not supposed to be a tv diner anyway.
I quote you , my friend!
Well this is how it goes for a long time. I think if you don't like it, go somehwere else.
What will you get from debating??
SlakerBoi my first question for you is "have you every cooked a ROM?" i am sure your answer will be "No" because i know how much time n effords need to be put. When i cooked my first rom it took me 4 sleepless night to build a basic beta quality rom. After such a hard work someone reward you by donating. That feeling can't be said in words SlakerBoi. So please stop raising this type of question.
One more thing most of the ROM developers buy new phone with the donations they go so it's not a issue if they release rom for many devices.
Please don't continue this decisions so that this post will go to some corner.
MOD this post hurts lot of ppl feeling so please delete it.
before the flame wars starts
i am going to close this....as these questions will cause fighting.
if you have a problem with someone...contact them....don't post like this
you know this is only going to end in fighting.
thread closed.
As a chef, and a moderator (chef came first), I'll add my thoughts.
I started into cooking when AT&T released their official WM6.1 ROM for the Kaiser. I always liked the design of AT&T ROMs, but not all of the bloat they included... most of which could not be uninstalled. I had the very "simple" goal of removing the bloat in an attempt to speed up the ROM, and increase storage space.
Once I downloaded the ROM, and extracted it using KaiserKitchen, I immediately realized that I was in over my head. I am a very good with PC and Mac computers in the professional/personal world, but I had never looked at the contents of a decompiled WM ROM. There are hundreds of folders, 10,000+ files, and no real explanation of what you're looking at... that is where XDA-Developers came in.
Within 1 week of public release, I was ready with a ROM that could be considered "extreme beta". It worked, and it was fast, but it had quite a few glitches that could not have been discovered without a public release, and a few dozen people testing the ROM. One thing in the background, that is never seen, is the number of hours spent just flashing our phones (I am NOT counting the cooking process) with numerous revisions testing all the bugs/issues reported. My Tilt was flashed no less then 1000 times in it's life, and my Fuze has been through over 500 so far.
I consider myself to be a pretty good ROM chef. But I also know that I am far from the best, and that most of my knowledge came from the very large XDA-Developers community. Some ROM chefs do not share information about the inner workings of their ROM in the ROM thread itself, but a simple email/PM will usually get you the information you seek. Look at it this way: If someone uses a ROM as released, and has no desire to modify it, then why should the thread be clogged with hundreds of questions/answers relating to how this was done, or how that was done.
My ROMs are "protected" using RaphaelKitchen, but it wasn't always this way. It has been shown that merging the RGU/DSM files into one large file speeds up the ROM because you now have several hundred less files sitting on the device. In addition, I also release my kitchen, in it's complete form, when I release a new ROM version. People are free to download the kitchen, extract it to their computer, and fully customize my ROMs. I know this is a popular route, because my Fuze and Touch Pro kitchens have been downloaded over 100 times since v4.7 of my ROM came out last month.
On to donations... I have a donation link in my signature for people who wish to appreciate the amount of work/hours poured into creating custom WM ROMs. Just as my signature says, I never require monetary compensation, but I also accept whatever people give, because it allows me to improve my work. For example, I purchased WinCE CAB Creator with some of my donations, so that I could create CAB files of items removed from the ROM. I also maintain a Rapidshare Premium account so that I never have to delete any file uploaded to XDA. Another form of donation I received was web hosting on a fast server that provided an alternative to Rapidshare.
I've said all of this before, but it's been awhile, and I cannot find the post. In closing, I don't see anything wrong with the items you pointed out. We've had issues in the past with members who used donations as a way to obtain a piece of software (ROM or otherwise), and as soon as it was brought to our attention, it was dealt with.
i`m not sure if i`m breaking any rules by posting this but i`m new on this forum and i have only one problem .. when i`m trying to search for a rom i have ten's of results and onlyt 10 % of them give me what i want .. and sometimes not even thoes... i found a thread in the themes and app section whit known apps working on the touch hd etc ..
could someone make something like this for the roms ..
it`s a nightmare to search for a rom ..
this could be verry helpfull .. just "stick" the thread to the top of the forum and there a moderator or anyone who wants the job could post every existing rom and the link to it ..
no description .. just something like this :
name(dutty`s r4),(miri`s etc) win 6.5 .. build 2****
link (or something close to this)
the reason for wanting this is because whenever i`m trying to search for something i`m spending literaly hours trying to find the rom, app etc ..
thank`s for the answer .. what ever that is
first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
scoutish said:
i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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love to .. but like u said it would also be very time consuming .. and i don`t really have the time .. i will give`it a try .. but don`t be surprized if the thread apears after 2-3 months ...
im away from home 12 - 13 hours a day and that`s why i invited someone else to give`it a go .. i just came with the ideea
so who ever reads this and wants the job .. go ahead .. a lot of people will love you after the thread`s release
I've re-opened this thread.
Hopefully others want to help and assist this quest. I'll watch thread closely and if it develops I may sticky it. But its a long way off this for now.
Good luck
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
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I would suggest making a google documents account, and setting up a spreadsheet. Make it open access to all, and arrange with ROMs down the side and details along the top. You could have sections for different authors with their ROMs all in one place. Once you have a bare bones structure, invite people to contribute and publish the address of the spreadsheet.
Good luck, it's a great idea. I would also invite proposals for what column headings you have (eg it would be good to have votes so particularly successful ROMs could be identified.)
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
stormyb said:
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
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Hi
everything ok besides the last suggestion that would be to difficult i think.
Will post back on updates
Jay
Hello
ok Here is a barebone first try. Please view and suggest improvements. If you would like access to edit and add roms please post here or Pm me.
Jay
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
I wouldn't mind allowing someone access to editing Wingster and adding a Touch HD section to my website. I need someone who is dedicated and has time to keep it updated though.
Any takers? The website is (www.thewingster.com)
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There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
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Hmm indeed the wiki seems to be the most logical solution.
Jay
I had just picked up on this thread and was about to comment on the spreadsheet and the fact that I'm sure a Wiki page was updated once upon a time and low and behold, it's been posted!
The fact is whilst many people are fluent with cooked ROM's, there are MANY more that have a number of valid reasons for being sceptical and wanting specific information before trying.
My personal belief is that the Wiki would be the best solution for this as it can be edited by all.
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
For instance, in most of the recent ROMs there seems to be an issue with MMS but the cooker doesn't necessarily agree that it's a ROM issue, hence the community common issues section.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
One last thing - Whilst I understand that many of the cookers have other things that are ongoing and therefore get to their ROM's as and when they can and again provide support where they can, I have seen very little support for their ROM's as they know there is another around the corner. That to me is the biggest issue for people wishing to jump into the world of cooked ROMS - the ability to know exactly what they are and aren't getting. Standard ROMs provide that and hence the comfort it brings.
Comments & thoughts?
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However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
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Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
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Well count me in - I'm willing to be a part of this. I really feel that for the "average user" there is very little that they can get at quickly and effectively. If you are a power user you can go through the whole "editing of manila files" and the other titbits in the threads but the fact is most people don't expect "normal" functions to be interrupted by new ROMs...they expect enhancements with no reduction in usability. I understand that there is a trade-off, but i think that trade-off should be immediately understood and available for all users to see.
Same here....
I have started tonight compiling some of the ROM details...
I could add a new table into the Cooked ROMs Wiki page with where I am up to and so people can get an idea of the layout I am proposing?
Personally I think there should be a table per WM version, and also per language, although I have concentrated efforts firstly on WWE.
I also would group in the table by Chef, listing their variants next to each other, each on a different line, but light, standard, heavy builds of the same variant that are usually on the same thread should be on one line, I think we can span the lines in the table on the Wiki so it looks right. The main table should only have latest links, and maybe another Wiki page with previous links, that we move when a new one comes out, so a record is kept where possible.
The column where the name of the ROM series is will link to the thread, with the download links having its own column if possible (maybe with light, standard, heavy if applicable)
Mods: Can you advise on posting links to other sites, i.e. with Dutty etc going to HTCPedia. Some of these Chefs generate a lot of interest, dont really want to exclude these...
Thanks
Jason
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I have updated the cooked ROMs page, added a new table near the top, only WM6.5 ROMs WWE versions.
Not an extensive list yet, and some missing information as threads dont have some detail:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Need to decide on whether the columns are suitable and whether there is more information that would be handy, and/or any other revisions to the layout. If anyone is aware of any of the missing information, that would be great, just go ahead and fill it in...
MODS: Could do with a new thread with a sticky, pointing to the cooked ROM Wiki page once we have sorted it out please.
Chaps,
Now I have put an example table on the cooked roms wiki page, can everyone who is interested take a look and see if we can make this wiki useful...
Thanks
Hello
Nice work! but as you might have noticed there is allready a wm 6.5 section so now we have two.
altough anyone can edit the wiki i was advised by the Mods to first compile the data and then when we have most of the info edit the wiki .
so i suppose we should focus on editing the google spreadsheet i set up.
If anyone wants access please post here.
P.S Jason and Wiggz please PM me a google username so i can add you to the list.
Jay
I am requesting that the powers that be create a ROM Wiki Page where cooks can enter the vital stats of their roms in a table/spreadsheet format so that innocent rom flashers such as myself can do direct comparisons between roms with out having to wade through hundreds of pages posts etc.
And I also request that chefs use this page and follow the table structure. And that you update your rom on the wiki page when a new version comes out.
Please!
This part may be too ambitious, but I would also like to see on the table a column for user score. Could be a simple 5 star system. Each rom there could have a link to a brief review containing questions about usability, stability, battery life etc.. Graded on a 5 star scale. All the answers would be averaged together and would be reflected on the above mentioned table as a simple score
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I am requesting that the powers that be create a ROM Wiki Page where cooks can enter the vital stats of their roms in a table/spreadsheet format so that innocent rom flashers such as myself can do direct comparisons between roms with out having to wade through hundreds of pages posts etc.
And I also request that chefs use this page and follow the table structure. And that you update your rom on the wiki page when a new version comes out.
Please!
This part may be too ambitious, but I would also like to see on the table a column for user score. Could be a simple 5 star system. Each rom there could have a link to a brief review containing questions about usability, stability, battery life etc.. Graded on a 5 star scale. All the answers would be averaged together and would be reflected on the above mentioned table as a simple score
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To me the thing about that is a ROM can run totally different on each device and the Roms are changing every day so i think it would be to hard to keep up with it all and i do not think a chef would like his or her ROM being put next to another ROM so see if the ROM is doing good or bad i know thats what it wont be for but that will happen and it takes me 5 Min's a day to scan through the Roms and see how they are doing i doubt if any chefs would agree to it and it takes all there time to do i new rom so they dont need any extra work in double posting it just my 2pence worh
I hear your concerns. Perhaps just scrap the idea about the rating system.
But if the chef put the basic info for his rom up we could see and compare to determine what roms we may want to use. Like What build they use, whether they used manila 2.1 or 2.5. What programs they add or subtract, what dialer, what page pool setting... etc.. things like these. I am just looking for a good starting point to do my research on which rom I want to use.
There are just too many out there for a person to wade through to find the base set of features they want. I run a small business, and use my phone daily in it. I don't have them time to read about every single rom. I will read about a few though. And it would help to narrow down which ones I look at if I know what features they focus on.
Once the wiki table was set up it would require very little to enter basic data and to keep it loosely updated. As I said, I am just looking for a basic idea of the direction each chef takes their rom.
Seriously? Nobody else thinks this is a good idea? Everyone likes searching through dozens of topics, and wading through Hundreds of pages of replies to find basic data about a rom, and some user feedback? And does everyone here prefer to flash every rom under the sun to find the right one for them?
Don't get me wrong, in my spare time I am a gadget/tech lover. I love to tinker... again- if I have the time.
But there really does have to be a better way to narrowing down the list of potential roms one might want to try. I don't mind trying a few.....but not all.
Any body else with me on this? Or do I stand(type) alone?
Thanks
Yep I support this as well (That said it's fun to go through all these pages ehehe)
I totally agree with you. I am very surprised that this does not exist yet. Our great cookers are putting a lot of efforts into their ROM, but it's no use if we cannot find those.
The point would not be to rate the ROMs because everybody is not looking for the same kind of software. Brief informations like the WM build, the Sense version (if installed), the language and a small description field would be very nice already.
Thanks Alcibiade!
Later
Its a good idea. But anyone can update WIKI! So why not take the initiative?
ai6908:
I will look into it, didn't know that just anybody could edit/create wiki pages... I don't have a whole lot of time... so it might be a while.
Hopefully if I do this the cooks will participate.
Thanx
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Seriously? Nobody else thinks this is a good idea? Everyone likes searching through dozens of topics, and wading through Hundreds of pages of replies to find basic data about a rom, and some user feedback? And does everyone here prefer to flash every rom under the sun to find the right one for them?
Don't get me wrong, in my spare time I am a gadget/tech lover. I love to tinker... again- if I have the time.
But there really does have to be a better way to narrowing down the list of potential roms one might want to try. I don't mind trying a few.....but not all.
Any body else with me on this? Or do I stand(type) alone?
Thanks
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you are worried about how much of YOUR TIME that YOU SPEND trying to find the right rom have you ever thought about how much time we chefs spend creating these roms? i can promise that flashing a few roms and reading through some threads is nothing in comparison to cooking a good rom. im speaking for myself here, but i think its pretty sad that you ask us to do MORE than we already do....its not like this is our job and we are on your payroll. make a wiki page if you want, but i will never participate.
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Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.
I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!
ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...
i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
Not a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.
not a social networking site
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.
cant cover all roms
ohyeahar said:
I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.
Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!
ohyeahar said:
Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
MadBeef said:
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
MadBeef said:
Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks
*Disclaimer: Don't flame me if it has been done, I just can't find it. Point me in the direction of where it is. This is based on the development of G1 roms, so I thought it would fall under the development category*
Was wondering who would be in favour of creating a ROM only forum or even just a thread in this forum listing all the current ROMs from XDA for the G1.
I personally hate having to search for ROMs through hundreds of pages.
Any thoughts?
Why? Most of the update to date roms are just already on the first 3 pages...
Plus there's Android Spin if you didn't know o_o' http://db.androidspin.com/android_b...oid_developer_id=&NumberOfReleases=9999&go=go
I know of Android Spin and use it frequently, but it does not contain all available ROMS, since it depends on the dev. It does contain most.
Here is my argument for why:
1. Some devs may have discontinued work on a specific ROM, thus no updates and it will not show up on the first few pages. I was playing around with some old ROMS that have some merits, though the dev has discontinued.
2. Navigating between ROM/non rom specific threads is annoying and tedious and I am sure some others share the sentiment
3. Sometimes I do not want to go through a thread to download the ROM. I may just want to redownload, or download an update, and this would be served well by a dedicated thread with download links.
4. Its not too much work, and it does not hurt anyone to have this thread.
The thing is most newer roms are based off old others or combined, so it would almost be like downgrading :S but I guess you could get someone bored to do it for you...
Wrong Section btw
Moved as not Android Development.