I have been playing around with trying to make a Titanium backup of my phone's apps and data that can easily be moved over to the g tablet. I currently have been
making the backup
swapping the sd card
copying files from sdcard2/TitaniumBackup to sdcard/TitaniumBackup then batch restoring the apps and files.
I will play around to see if this process could be easier, possibly automated.
I'll keep you posted.
Anyone else working on this or have any alternative solution?
Check out the Titanium Backup sync to Dropbox feature, you might be able to configure it in a way that would accomplish your goal.
I have set up dropbox sync, but uploading/downloading takes quite some time. I started another thread about how I would like to be able to connect my DX to the G tablet via usb. If I could get that to work transfering files would be faster and I wouldn't have to swap sdcards all the time.
I just found a post about using an app called aFileSync. http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/afilesync_nxn.html I'll try to play around with it and see if it works. If I can get it to work well, I will write up a FAQ.
I just would really like to be able to keep all my app settings/savestates/etc from my phone and my tablet.
Hal0053 said:
If I could get that to work transfering files would be faster and I wouldn't have to swap sdcards all the time.
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FTP works well over a good wifi connection...that is what I use for transfers to / from PC
Astro also has a SMB module that I use when I want to access files on network shares
Update:
I have got my data to go across both my DX and Gtablet.
I made a label for all the apps (mostly games) that I want to backup. Backup on titanium. Sync to dropbox. On the other device I open dropbox, download the titanium files, move the files into my /sdcard/TitaniumBackup, open titanium and restore. It takes less than a minute to complete.
It isn't automated like I would have originally hoped, but at least it works!
Hey,
Has anyone ever looked into how the Whatsapp Backup is stored? It can be used after reinstalling the app, but not after hard resetting/flashing/etc. So it should be stored on the phone, but not the normal isolated storage of the app since I can reinstall it and use the backup then.
Is there special access necessary or could other apps also access (and modify/export) this backup? I'm asking this because I hope to find a way to make a backup that really is useful, I almost only write via whatsapp because SMS cost way more than internet here. Thanks!
why do you think whatsapp isnt useing isolated storage? shure it is, but you still cant access it - unless you have a interopt unlocked device
the reason you can restore, is that the app id stays the same.. you could try to deploy an older (uncrypted) whatsapp xap to your phone, if the app id still stays the same (and im not shure it does! actually i think it doesnt..) you would gain access... again, thats total theory! i havent tryed this, and it has propably the potential to mess up your backup...
maybe GoodDayToDie has some more info about the app-id thing.. i'll also do a quick research
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why do you think whatsapp isnt useing isolated storage? shure it is, but you still cant access it - unless you have a interopt unlocked device
the reason you can restore, is that the app id stays the same.. you could try to deploy an older (uncrypted) whatsapp xap to your phone, if the app id still stays the same (and im not shure it does! actually i think it doesnt..) you would gain access... again, thats total theory! i havent tryed this, and it has propably the potential to mess up your backup...
maybe GoodDayToDie has some more info about the app-id thing.. i'll also do a quick research
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Thanks for the reply! I din't know files in the isolated storage keep being there after you uninstall the app..
I tried deploying an old Version (1.4) of Whatsapp and it replaced the current one, so it should use the same app id. I didn't find anything in the isolated storage, but the backup is still there when I reinstall it from the store. I'll try launching the deployed app first now.
have you checked out the IsolatedStorageSettings?
Let me have a quick look where this thing is on my harddrive... when i find it, i'll be able to tell you where / how it saves the backup
tfBullet said:
have you checked out the IsolatedStorageSettings?
Let me have a quick look where this thing is on my harddrive... when i find it, i'll be able to tell you where / how it saves the backup
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Nope, I have no real clue how to do that, the only thing I can is deploying apps and watching their isolated storage thanks!!
they used "messages.sdf" & "contacts.sdf" before, but then at some version they started to migrate this files into a database.. not shure where it gets stored, or if you can access it with simply browsing the IsoStoreage... ill make a quick test project to test out how or if we could access it..
EDIT: actually i was talking **** the .sdf files are already databases, and the data still resides there... and forgot to mention: even if you couldn't see the database files, you should see the user-picture thumbnails that reside in "cphotos/" + some-sha1-hashed-userinfo...
IsoStore is cleared when an app is uninstalled. So far as I know, this is instant, as part of the app removal process, although I suppose I haven't actually checked that. However, apps can (and many do) implement a backup situation to cover this use case by using a unique identifier that survives a re-install. There are several places such IDs can come from. Since the one you have survives app installs but *not* OS reflashing (even though you presumably sign on with the same Live ID afterward), I'm guessing it's a value that uniquely identifies your OS install and is randomly generated the first time the OS boots. Re-flashing counts as a new install, I guess.
I'd have to investigate further to be sure. There could be other mechanics at play, such as the OS keeping the data around for a short time in case you re-install the app, or the app storing its data in some other (off-phone) location. It's not storing it in some special folder within the phone, though; there's nowhere else it could!
Backup history with Whatapp on Android. Then check the backup file on:
/sdcard/WhatsApp/Databases/msgstore.db.crypt
Or
/data/data/com.whatsapp/databases/msgstore.db and wa.db (root)
Coweri said:
Backup history with Whatapp on Android. Then check the backup file on:
/sdcard/WhatsApp/Databases/msgstore.db.crypt
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/data/data/com.whatsapp/databases/msgstore.db and wa.db (root)
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Sorry, but this is Windows Phone, not android..
@GoodDayToDie so, there is no simple way like deploying an app with the same ID and trying to access the backup with it?
Since the data would have been deleted when the old app was removed (and since you can't sideload an app with the same Product ID as an existing Store app), no, that won't work (well, it didn't in WP7; I guess you could try again here; some things are somewhat less secure now than before).
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GoodDayToDie so, there is no simple way like deploying an app with the same ID and trying to access the backup with it?
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Wait for a interop-unlock... thats the way to go in this case.
Until then, you can send your conversations to yourself by mail (option form the context menue)
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IsoStore is cleared when an app is uninstalled. So far as I know, this is instant, as part of the app removal process, although I suppose I haven't actually checked that. However, apps can (and many do) implement a backup situation to cover this use case by using a unique identifier that survives a re-install. There are several places such IDs can come from. Since the one you have survives app installs but *not* OS reflashing (even though you presumably sign on with the same Live ID afterward), I'm guessing it's a value that uniquely identifies your OS install and is randomly generated the first time the OS boots. Re-flashing counts as a new install, I guess.
I'd have to investigate further to be sure. There could be other mechanics at play, such as the OS keeping the data around for a short time in case you re-install the app, or the app storing its data in some other (off-phone) location. It's not storing it in some special folder within the phone, though; there's nowhere else it could!
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GoodDayToDie, any news about this Whatsapp backup feature in Windows Phone? Is it possible to utilize this feature as an "ordinary" developer?
I would have to reverse engineer the app to see how its backup feature works. The most likely explanation - that it's storing the backup "in the cloud" using the device ID (which resets when you do a hard reset, I think) - is easily possible for any app so long as you provide the storage space...
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I would have to reverse engineer the app to see how its backup feature works. The most likely explanation - that it's storing the backup "in the cloud" using the device ID (which resets when you do a hard reset, I think) - is easily possible for any app so long as you provide the storage space...
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That could be an explanation. But then the Whatsapp developers could easily offer a full backup, as on other platforms, linked to the phone number or something. Then you could restore the messages even after a phone exchange. But who knows what's in their heads ...
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I would have to reverse engineer the app to see how its backup feature works. The most likely explanation - that it's storing the backup "in the cloud" using the device ID (which resets when you do a hard reset, I think) - is easily possible for any app so long as you provide the storage space...
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Nope, it doesn't seem to be online.. it backups pretty big chats extremely fast with 2 bars of GPRS, so it can't be via internet.. it even backups without connection at all. That's the weird thing.. how are apps even allowed to store files that keep being there after an uninstall?
There are a couple really sneaky ways you could do that; one that comes to mind is creating a fake "image" or "ringtone" or similar, serializing the data to it, and then looking for it the "first" time the app is run after installing. However, I'm definitely more curious now. There are folders which apps can request permissions to write to, but usually that's a trick limited to "second-party" apps (OEMs, etc.) and prohibited for third parties.
I've already looked into the code, as far as i can tell there is no online backup feature. it just stores the conversations in a database.
And to answer yout question schluff: no there is absolutley no way the usual developera to utilize this.
btw: @GoodDayToDie could you provide us the newest WhatsApp XAP (2.11.312.0)?
When I get the chance to extract it of my computer, yeah. It's really hard to get full FS access working these days, so I'm looking into other ways to access the install folders and storage of other Apps.
here you go
edit: I've changed nothing, so it's the whole install folder in this zip file
Thanks for the extraction! Obviously, I can't do anything with it
However, if anyone is interested in this too, in the following versions it seems to backup to the SD card, at least @Nazwzil8 reported so at twitter: https://twitter.com/Nawzil8/status/410486248156172288 he reported a lot about whatsapp, he seems a legit beta tester.
Hello All,
Just got the Nexus 6 coming from the Note 2, need to know the easiest way to get my text messages and photos from that device. I tried the NFC tap thing but if does not seem to work?
Photos.... copy them onto your computer and then paste them onto your Nexus 6.
Text.... use whatever SMS backup app you want, Titanium Backup has one. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore is another one.
Really you mean we still have to transfer files to our computer first to transfer, thats so old school to me. This was so much easier on the Note 4 with Smart Swap and somehow all my text got transferred automatically with the Note 4 too. I still like this Nexus though.
Use Helium it works great for not rooted users. Allows u to transfer data from apps such as angry birds, cut the rope, subway surfers, and any other app that doesn't backup to Facebook or Google+. However u need a PC with a very small program installed plus USB drivers to enable backup for non rooted users. Titanium is for rooted users only but works great also.
I Sync photos with g+ and backup text messages/app data with titanium backup. A USB OTG cable works well to transport the data from one device to another. If no access to USB OTG I use a PC.
Just make sure you unlock the boot loader before moving files to the new device as it wipes your device. Not a bad idea to flash a decrypted kernel as this will wipe your device also.
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Really you mean we still have to transfer files to our computer first to transfer, thats so old school to me. This was so much easier on the Note 4 with Smart Swap and somehow all my text got transferred automatically with the Note 4 too. I still like this Nexus though.
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Its the fastest way of transferring files from 1 place to the next especially if you have a lot of photos. Alternatively, you can upload them to the cloud and download them.
Hello Experts...going to upgrade my current Galaxy Nexus to a Nexus 6. Is there an easy way to get all my apps from my current phone onto my new one? I have some that are side loaded and just want to be able to port over what I have to the new phone. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
Try Helium from Play. It backups apps and data.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 6 met Tapatalk
when setting up the n6, itll give you an option to port over your apps from your previous phone. problem is, those side loaded apps wont appear. but you cam jyst send yourself those apps or use an app like titanium backup to back them up/restore them.
TitaniumBackup works great. I have used it for years to port apps & app data from phone to phone to phone. Try it & you won't regret it.
Titanium backup is my go to, only thing is you need to be rooted..
TiBU
but DO NOT restore system files,
what I did getting my N5 data ready to port to new device (2 days ago) backup everything TiBU will backup, copy all files to new device (or the temp N7 device in my case) and restore only regular play store apps, and its safe (only if the relatively the same base OS version) "accounts."
the best order is restore "app only" things that you are unable to get from the play store, the selectively restore the data to those apps you know would be a pain in the ass to set up (email clients, security DVR clients, Tapatalk...) but if its a red system file, avoid it, even for files like gmail.
the biggest problem TiBU causes people is flashing a new ROM then restoring everything they backed up, at that point you just unflashed the rom and run the risk of pushing bad incompatible core files on the new build...
in short (as I'll explain in my case) my N5 files have been copied to my N7 and restored what I stated above, while I wait for my N6 to be sent to be some day soon hopefully, where I will repeat the same process... all devices are on LP5.1.x and have had no issues... by importing the green accounts data, I'm not needing to re enter the 7 email accounts I want gmail to sync.
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I restore some gapps with Tibu and haven't had any issues..
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I restore some gapps with Tibu and haven't had any issues..
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I've never had the need to restore from an app, not flaming them, just not my preference. I let the OS do it and for sideloaded apps, I typically have kept a copy on my PC, so I just batch re-upload to the phone using wifi file explorer pro, and install what I want.
In fact, to be it's great because when doing a major change I can take an audit of what I really have used, and not to decide what to load, etc. (and you can choose as well when porting over, etc.)
greetings community,
i have tried to search it, but being pro newbie, I found nothing. Is it possible to make this folder little bit lighter it takes 22gb of space, and my poor phone has only 64gb
I have rooted devices
thank you in advance
You can delete some apps using root file manager. I've use root explorer and have for years but nowadays there are times where it will not allow me to delete some apps (YouTube, chrome are a few this has happened to me on..) that my phone will NOT allow me to. And yes I have magisk and root explorer pro has root permission when this has happened. One way to get these apps off when this has happened to me is use another root file manager. Amaze file manager did the trick. I was able to delete apps I could not with root explorer. I'm BIG on not having useless bloatware on my phone so disabling apps is NOT my style. I usually save a copy by making backup and throw the backed up apks on my laptop or a USB thumb drive and delete whatever in case I end up deleting something that messes with my phone...Far as what can be deleted and what can't you can just discover for yourself. That's what I've done. I'm currently on a custom rom and I normally don't do much deleting unless I'm using the Google stock rom. If and when I do wipe more off stock I'll return and give you a list of what I did clear out. Just look in /system/app, /system/priv-app, product/app, /vendor/app with a root app and go to town. That's what I've always done. I believe TWRP for Android 11, the test build that bigbiff dropped about a month ago works now to make backups so that would be something to maybe do before hand in case you end up needing to restore your rom. On a few other devices I've owned people would sometimes make a thread on here for apps that can be removed and all and then list what they took off and what not to. I believe this Is what you are talking about.. If so hopefully it helps
Far as making system folder smaller and not meaning apps I believe it's possible but I think maybe you would have to repartition your device to do that and although it's possible it's dangerous. One wrong move and you have a paper weight doing that. I messed up my original Pixel XL because power went out while I was doing it before I was done and it was a goner. If anything I say here isn't right or there is more information about this please someone share who has more knowledge of this sort of thing. I would love to know as well. Good day/night to all. Cheers.
100kaa said:
greetings community,
i have tried to search it, but being pro newbie, I found nothing. Is it possible to make this folder little bit lighter it takes 22gb of space, and my poor phone has only 64gb
I have rooted devices
thank you in advance
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@100kaa
You would be better off deleting excess files, trash, and photos that are already backed up. The system partition can be mounted and some files removed, but for the most part it is a minefield. Google has a fantastic new tool (since changing Photos retention rules) called "Takeout" that allows you to back up the contents of many parts of your phone and allows you do d/l it in compressed format directly to your PC. Check it out. OTHERWISE- If you simply must carry large files like movies, music database, pictures etc. then consider getting a USB-C OTG drive.
https://takeout.google.com/
This is why you get a phone with an SD card slot.
You then use the SD card as your data drive.
Only the apps and temporary folders go on the internal memory.
Next best thing is a flash stick or use cloud based storage which has downsides to it. Even if your internal storage is huge you don't want to store critical data there. I use about 64 of my 500gb of internal vs 340 of 500gb on the data drive.
If a large data base is on a large internal memory a data restore takes... forever. Most times the SD card is spared in OS crash and burns. Plus it can be used to restore the OS drive apps and settings.
Much of the above doesn't help you now but it could with future devices. All my PCs even my laptop are configured as dual drives. I learned a long time ago it works well, saves sweat and data.