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[Q] Other OS?

I know my moto x android version works flawlesly out of the box with some xposed mods just to personalize it, but today I decided to check the development section to see if there are some cool and interesting things to flash.
To my surprise I haven't seen much action there, I would have expected some port of firefox os or at least ubuntu (like there was for the Samsung Galaxy SIII) why is that? I'm not a developer so unfortunately I lack the knowledge to do something like that or I would.
Are there really no moto x owners wanting to try some (probably broken ) alternative OSes?

DBBGBA said:
I know my moto x android version works flawlesly out of the box with some xposed mods just to personalize it, but today I decided to check the development section to see if there are some cool and interesting things to flash.
To my surprise I haven't seen much action there, I would have expected some port of firefox os or at least ubuntu (like there was for the Samsung Galaxy SIII) why is that? I'm not a developer so unfortunately I lack the knowledge to do something like that or I would.
Are there really no moto x owners wanting to try some (probably broken ) alternative OSes?
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If you lack the knowledge, learn lol.. Not all of the Moto x can get an unlocked bootloader so development is restricted or limited to a certain extent for some devices like the Verizon Moto X or the ATT version . But even though that's no excuse, most people prefer stock and decide not to go through the hassle of porting a different OS. Just my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

Lack of interest, most likely. Firefox OS is a little pointless on devices with the hardware spec to run Android without batting an eyelash. As for Ubuntu Touch, there are a lot of devices not seeing it just due to a lack of interest in the OS itself from a lot of people (sadly). Only the most popular devices are likely to see ports of it.
That being said, I'd love to see Ubuntu Touch on Moto X, it's one of a few reasons I originally considered getting a Nexus 5 when i decided to get my Moto X.

Any non stock based ROMs we have still have major issues after a year.....can you imagine the issues with anything out of the ordinary like Ubuntu, Miui and other very different systems.
The X is just not a phone for developers or flashaholics. Its best run stock, (or stock based roms) maybe with Xposed for extra features. No one wants to lose their moto features either, and you only will have those on stock or stock based ROMs.
Things may change after the X stops getting updates. You may see more development then.

I have always wanted to run Ubuntu touch. I am trying to get it to work on my Samsung note pro but the selinux enforcement is a road block.

KJ said:
The X is just not a phone for developers or flashaholics.
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It's a phone that cures flashaholics

chaoslimits said:
It's a phone that cures flashaholics
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There's definitely a strong incentive to stay stock on the X.....but it didn't cure me unfortunately. I gave it to my wife, got an N5, installed multirom and have 4 ROMs installed on it as we speak. Lol

KJ said:
There's definitely a strong incentive to stay stock on the X.....but it didn't cure me unfortunately. I gave it to my wife, got an N5, installed multirom and have 4 ROMs installed on it as we speak. Lol
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N5 is really tempting (or it would be if I wasn't on Verizon).

chaoslimits said:
N5 is really tempting (or it would be if I wasn't on Verizon).
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Yes, strange they can't be used on such a large carrier.

KJ said:
There's definitely a strong incentive to stay stock on the X.....but it didn't cure me unfortunately. I gave it to my wife, got an N5, installed multirom and have 4 ROMs installed on it as we speak. Lol
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You are a FLash drunken then XD

ive been eyeing swappa listings for 2013 nexus 7s just to run Ubuntu touch, firefox and Android L preview.

Custom roms ?

Just out of curiosity, why hasn't there been any custom roms or development ?

I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.

Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.

What about kernels? Surely we could benefit from custom kernels and keep all our moto x a pure android experience, correct? Like possible for color cal and battery life? :silly:

Custom roms ya custom kernel can come only after motolola releases its kernel sources

My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .

dia_naji said:
My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .
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It is developer friendly. There just isn't a lot of development for the reasons listed above.

Restola said:
Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.
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This, I have a Droid Maxx and the wife has a Moto X. We enjoy the anti Samsung, pure Google experience enhanced with touchless and active display. No reasons to try any AOSP Roms. Development is so light for the Droid Ultra/ Maxx that CM dropped support for it, but that is due to how good the stock ROM is. I ran Paranoid on my RAZR Maxx HD but still moved back to stock because it is smoother and has better cell reception. All the cool little functions are just that, cool. Paranoid's implementation of their dynamic status and notification bars are the best I've seen, much better than the xposed modules. But at the end of the day, it is about functionality and useability. Stock Motorola Roms are very good, just need to debloat all the Verizon crap in my case. As far as kernels, hopefully faux123 will do something with the new Moto X. I'm running his kernel on my Droid Maxx and Moto X and it definitely enhances the phone more than any aftermarket Roms could. The reason why I hangout in the Moto X forums is because there are not a lot of us Droid owners and the Moto X forums is where we get most of our stuff. I'm running a Moto X port on my Droid Maxx for example. This holds true for the new Droid Turbo also which I am definitely interested in. That is if there's a way to unlock the bootloader. Unlocked bootloader with 3900 mAH battery and 21 mp camera and the Moto X experience? I'm in, still have an upgrade available! But I don't foresee the bootloader or root being available for these new phones for a long while. In the mean time, I'll enjoy my unlocked Droid Maxx and Moto X and continue to lurk around here. Lol

You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).

I can't see development being any busier than the quiet 2013.
Too many Moto limitations... Like bootloaders not being able to be unlocked on some big carriers. And as said, no custom features on aosp/cm roms. Downgrade issues.... If it's like the 2013. Etc.
The X's are not for flashaholics .... That's for sure.

jdubya42 said:
I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.
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The pure edition root method by jcase works fine on other devices. I rooted my xt1093 last week, seen some Brazilian carriers' rooted (also non pure, xt1092 maybe?), and I'm 100% confident it'll work for any moto x with an unlockable bootloader.

Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?

Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?

jdubya42 said:
Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, quite wrong. Search and Google are your friend here.
Only Verizon cannot be unlocked presently AFAIK.
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Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?
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I don't think any carrier branded X has made this available yet...

Well thats why I didn't know that. I have the VZW model.

cb474 said:
You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).
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I have mine rooted and running Xposed with GravityBox and it works just as well as my original version Moto X did. I don't see the need for a custom rom, though I might try CM once there is a version for it.

Well as someone said, even the Moto 2013 had very very little development. But I would love to see a Custom ROM based on Moto's software itself. Cleaning out small bugs and unrequired services and maybe add couple of extra features.

I just received my Moto X (2nd gen).... I should have looked on the forums first... Without custom ROMS - I'll most likely just send it back to Moto...
I like the options the custom roms bring. I like choosing the toggles I desire in the window shade, custom themes, etc... Not being able to do those things... Meh - I have been tweaking my experience since 2007. I don't like the idea of just running a plain Jane rom.. This sucks as I really like the hardware... Almost enough that I would spend the time trying to learn to make a custom rom myself... But, I can't expend the time to learn, debug, etc... Sadly, I'm too busy with my day job...

As long as you're not on Verizon, Xposed modules should be able to give you all the customization choices you'd ever need.

I was hoping for custom Lollipop roms and Xposed won't work on Android 5.0 (and, it is uncertain if it will ever work on Lollipop).....

Flashing a Blur ROM? (From Droid Turbo, Moto Maxx or Moto X 2014)

Would it be doable to flash a stock Motorola ROM ("blur") from a Droid Turbo or Moto Maxx, given that the hardware is pretty much the same?
Maybe it's easier than it looks, or it sounds really easier than it really is. But has anyone tried it, and is there a risk of bricking the device?
Don't get me wrong, I love stock Lollipop, but am missing Moto Display a lot, and Moto Voice to a lesser extent...

no.
if you do try it, most likely youll make your n6 as useful as a doorstop from that point on.

I understand that... My wording was inaccurate I guess.
I meant I was wondering if it would be possible to port a Motorola ROM to the shamu, I guess that's more accurate.

johnny grep said:
I understand that... My wording was inaccurate I guess.
I meant I was wondering if it would be possible to port a Motorola ROM to the shamu, I guess that's more accurate.
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you can try, it wont be easy. if kitkat, then orobably not. where would you get n6 drivers for kitkat support?

There are lollipop roms for the Moto X, Droid Turbo shouldn't be too far behind.

Motorola blur is closed source, so no it wouldn't be feasible to do with the amount of resources put into it because to be honest there isn't much of a interest and it's difficult to reverse engineer closed source software especially when Motorola can just set out a cease and desist.
Moto rom is already quite close to stock aosp and their apps are propetiary to Motorola mobility. If you want Moto blur (or whatever it's called now) stick to using Moto devices, these Moto blur, touchwiz, HTC sense are what the companies make in order to make people keep buying their phones.
Just like how nexus is pretty much aosp with some Google Apps (dialer, etc). Each phone series has its own unique identity.
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Why the lack of custom roms and mods?

Never seen such a low dev contribution for any of my Android devices. My moto is pretty much perfect, but there's always ways to improve it. Why is there so little activity on it? Are we just waiting for Cm or PA to support it?

Was it really necessary to start another 1 of these threads.. There's already 2 that are active.. Read and post there

We are waiting for you to make us a ROM! Get cracking!

CWick4141 said:
Was it really necessary to start another 1 of these threads.. There's already 2 that are active.. Read and post there
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Where?
And I'd love to, but I'm useless

Serious answer.
The Moto X has a lot of proprietary code for things like moto assist, active display, and the low power ir sensors. Additionally, there is no official source for lollipop like there is for Nexus devices...making it difficult for ROM builders.
The Moto X (2013) had very little in the terms custom ROMs as well. There will probably be a few ROMs in the future, but don't expect a ROM community like there are for Nexus devices, it just won't happen.
That being said, the Moto X is damn near perfect straight out of the box. I am an avid flasher, and I really don't feel like I'm missing out on much with the stock experience on the Moto X.

Center status bar clock/date is really the only thing I miss.. Possibly a kernel but stock with trickster seem to be working well

I'd love to get Xposed modules back for some minor cosmetic and functional tweaking, but otherwise this phone is close to perfect already.

chrisrozon said:
I'd love to get Xposed modules back for some minor cosmetic and functional tweaking, but otherwise this phone is close to perfect already.
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Yeah, Xposed is a total game changer. That's one of the main reasons I'm keeping both my X and N5 on KK for the foreseeable future.

mprziv said:
Serious answer.
The Moto X has a lot of proprietary code for things like moto assist, active display, and the low power ir sensors.
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People say that, but this is often true of Samsung devices and devices like the HTC One, but they still get development.
People also say that because the Moto X is such a close to stock device, there is a lack of interest in developing for it. I don't believe that either, because if that were true there would be no development for Nexus devices and, of course, those are the devices that get the most development.
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Additionally, there is no official source for lollipop like there is for Nexus devices...making it difficult for ROM builders.
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I think this, in fact, is probably the one and only reason there is no development for Moto X devices. I don't know that much about what is needed to make a ROM, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but without the source for proprietary drivers for various hardware components in a device, you're kind of stuck.
What puzzles me is that Motorola promoted the "Pure Edition" as an unlocked edition of the 2nd Gen Moto X. But if they're not going to provide the source code needed for development, why did they bother? It's like a developers edition of a phone that's only good for non-developers.
I also don't really see how it benefits Motorola to block development. It's a relatively small portion of users who even bother with custom ROMs. But is the most enthusiastic portion of users, who can really help spread the buzz for a device. In addtion, custom ROMs often come up with smart ideas that later get adopted in stock ROMs. So their is a potential symbiotic relationship there. As it is, it just seems like Motorola alienates some of the biggest Android fans.
mprziv said:
That being said, the Moto X is damn near perfect straight out of the box. I am an avid flasher, and I really don't feel like I'm missing out on much with the stock experience on the Moto X.
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Yeah, it's nice. With Xposed, as others say, it can be modified in similar ways as ROMs. But there are still some Motorola built in elements that I'd rather not see, so it's not pure stock, as is often suggested.
My real hangup is that ROMs, like Cyanogen, are much better at stripping out some of the most egregious tracking code. Providing privacy enhancements (again not just at the user feature level, but in the underlying code). And generally eliminating things that don't serve users, but do serve marketers/manufacturers. That's more important to me than a lot of the user interface modifications found in ROMs.
So with Xposed you can get an user interface experience that's pretty similar to a lot of ROMs, but their are other benefits that may be missing.
If I could get an official version of Cyanogen for the 2nd Gen Moto X, it would be a near perfect device to me. As it is, I still hesitate. Of course, there's the extremely similar Nexus 6, but I'm not into that huge size.

cb474 said:
People say that, but this is often true of Samsung devices and devices like the HTC One, but they still get development.
People also say that because the Moto X is such a close to stock device, there is a lack of interest in developing for it. I don't believe that either, because if that were true there would be no development for Nexus devices and, of course, those are the devices that get the most development.
I think this, in fact, is probably the one and only reason there is no development for Moto X devices. I don't know that much about what is needed to make a ROM, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but without the source for proprietary drivers for various hardware components in a device, you're kind of stuck.
What puzzles me is that Motorola promoted the "Pure Edition" as an unlocked edition of the 2nd Gen Moto X. But if they're not going to provide the source code needed for development, why did they bother? It's like a developers edition of a phone that's only good for non-developers.
I also don't really see how it benefits Motorola to block development. It's a relatively small portion of users who even bother with custom ROMs. But is the most enthusiastic portion of users, who can really help spread the buzz for a device. In addtion, custom ROMs often come up with smart ideas that later get adopted in stock ROMs. So their is a potential symbiotic relationship there. As it is, it just seems like Motorola alienates some of the biggest Android fans.
Yeah, it's nice. With Xposed, as others say, it can be modified in similar ways as ROMs. But there are still some Motorola built in elements that I'd rather not see, so it's not pure stock, as is often suggested.
My real hangup is that ROMs, like Cyanogen, are much better at stripping out some of the most egregious tracking code. Providing privacy enhancements (again not just at the user feature level, but in the underlying code). And generally eliminating things that don't serve users, but do serve marketers/manufacturers. That's more important to me than a lot of the user interface modifications found in ROMs.
So with Xposed you can get an user interface experience that's pretty similar to a lot of ROMs, but their are other benefits that may be missing.
If I could get an official version of Cyanogen for the 2nd Gen Moto X, it would be a near perfect device to me. As it is, I still hesitate. Of course, there's the extremely similar Nexus 6, but I'm not into that huge size.
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Samsung and HTC etc. devices get Dev because they are bloated with touchwiz/sense etc., there is not a lot to do on the moto x besides throw some aosp, or cm roms at it, but then you lose the "proprietary" features that the moto x has (which is its selling point, if you bought this phone not because of active display or moto voice then you really bought the wrong phone).
Not a lot of incentive for a Dev to work on the moto x, not much can be gain only loss....I.e. You goto cm or aosp you lose not gain...for the most part. Really not a lot of incentive to work on this phone. Sure there might eventually be a cm or even pa or aosp ROM but who really wants that over stock with xposed?
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cb474 said:
People say that, but this is often true of Samsung devices and devices like the HTC One, but they still get development.
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There is nothing similar to active display and touchless control on Samsung's touchwiz or HTC's sense.

dobbs3x said:
Samsung and HTC etc. devices get Dev because they are bloated with touchwiz/sense etc., there is not a lot to do on the moto x besides throw some aosp, or cm roms at it,...
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As I said in the post to which you claim to be replying, if that were the reason not to develop for the Moto X, then there would also be no developement for Nexus devices, since they have no bloat and arrive pure stock. The point of custom roms, obviously, is not just to get rid of bloat, but to add lots of features that do not exist elsewhere. Indeed, some roms are made so that people can have an HTC Sense or Samsung Touchwiz type of experience on a non-HTC or non-Samsung phone. Roms are hardly all about returning phones to a stock experience. So I think that argument is obviously wrong to anyone who thinks about it for a minute.
Look at the OnePlus One. It ships with Cyanogen. Zero bloat, already has the most popular custom rom on it. If this argument had any merit, there would be no development for it. But in fact there is tons of development for it. Because it's a totally open device and OnePlus One encourages development.
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...but then you lose the "proprietary" features that the moto x has (which is its selling point, if you bought this phone not because of active display or moto voice then you really bought the wrong phone).
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You wouldn't lose the proprietary features if Motorola released drivers necessary for them to work, as other cell phone manufacturers do, so this point begs the question (again, as I already said in the post you were supposedly responding to).
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There is nothing similar to active display and touchless control on Samsung's touchwiz or HTC's sense.
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Samsung has their own weird hardware button layout, heart rate monitors, HTC has the oddball two lens camera in the M8. It doesn't matter what the feature is. All that matters is that there's some extra piece of hardware in there and it's going to need a driver and access to the hardware for developers to use it in a custom rom.
The difference, I believe, is that Samsung and HTC release the proprietary binaries and other source code, which makes it possible for developers to develop for their phones. Motorola, for whatever reason, has chosen not to do this. I think that is the only reason their is no development for the Moto X. So I think people are actually just misunderstanding what the problem is with development for the Moto X. (If some developer out their wants to chime in with more explanation of this, I'd be happy for some confirmation.)
All the other reasons people are repeating here are made up reasons that I think have nothing to do with how development actually happens. Repeating them, because someone else somewhere in the forum said it, does not make it true.
Motorola, it seems, just doesn't want people to develop for their devices and they prevent that by not releasing the binaries and source necessary to do so.
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The point can even be taken another step. Because the hardware on the 1st and 2nd Gen Moto Xs is so nice and generally liked and because the 2nd Gen Moto X is in fact the basis for the Nexus 6 and extremely similar to it, I think that if the binaries and source code necessary were available, there would be a lot of development for the Moto X. So it has nothing to do with all the reasons people say about why there's no need to develop for the Moto X and everything, I believe, to do with Motorola blocking developers from developing for the Moto X.

Or maybe it's just the fact that it's a mediocre device that a lot of devs aren't going to purchase. I'm sending mine back after 4 days with it. Love the build quality, but I can't live with the mediocre screen, crappy camera and poor battery life.
Most devs, "dev" for popular devices and sadly, the moto x isn't one of them

I do not see the hate towards this device to be reasoned, at all. Battery (not so ****ty as I thought it would be, very similar to Nexus 5 so you can not linger on that )and camera (I also believe it to be better then Nexus 5's) are the payoffs of a great phone. What is wrong with the screen, NRG?

I had the first gen moto x, it has lots of development but they are all cm or aosp based Roms. Pretty much a dozen different Roms with either cm or aosp as the base. There is nothing special with them. Just someone is bored and wanted to try making a ROM. They bring nothing really useful to the device unless you really just like cm. Which you should of bought the one plus or a nexus. Trust me all the Roms developed for the first gen moto x are nothing crazy, just rehashed cm and aosp.

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Or maybe it's just the fact that it's a mediocre device that a lot of devs aren't going to purchase. I'm sending mine back after 4 days with it. Love the build quality, but I can't live with the mediocre screen, crappy camera and poor battery life.
Most devs, "dev" for popular devices and sadly, the moto x isn't one of them
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If you consider the X to be mediocre, I'd love to know what phone you think is high end. I burn through Android phones like they are candy, and to me, the X is hands down the best smartphone ever made. Sure there are phones with better screens, cameras, and battery life, but they all have other compromises, some that are far worse. The X's screen is only mediocre when side by side with a nicer one, the camera is more than sufficient, and my battery life has been amazing. There has never been an Android phone this mature and elegant, with performance to boot. The software is as close to perfect as you can get (talking KitKat here, I'm not sold on Lollipop), and the overall user experience is second to none, at least in my eyes. To each their own I suppose, but I just can't fathom how anybody can call the X a mediocre phone.

Why would you install a custom rom on the Moto X?
I think it is a compliment to the device there is no development and urgent need for different software. What is somebody going to improve software wise that isn't already present?

shadowspring said:
Why would you install a custom rom on the Moto X?
I think it is a compliment to the device there is no development and urgent need for different software. What is somebody going to improve software wise that isn't already present?
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Exactly, its amazing. People buy a new Samsung , HTC or LG phone and immediately want to change everything on it. That doesn't say much for the original intent of the manufactures. With the Moto X line, most are completely satisfied with it right out of the box. Something those other phones can claim.

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Samsung and HTC etc. devices get Dev because they are bloated with touchwiz/sense etc., there is not a lot to do on the moto x besides throw some aosp, or cm roms at it, but then you lose the "proprietary" features that the moto x has (which is its selling point, if you bought this phone not because of active display or moto voice then you really bought the wrong phone).
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Is that true ?
I was going to unlock bootloader and root this nice device in order to put some tweaks (DPI change, Apps Control, Ad blocker...), but if I lose the active display this is not going to be good...
I also would like to add that this phone is less famous than others blockbusters from HTC, LG or Samsung (at least in France). Developers seem to go to where there are many users for their ROMs, excluding Nexus' line. This and that Motorola doesn't release the binaries and source...

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Is that true ?
I was going to unlock bootloader and root this nice device in order to put some tweaks (DPI change, Apps Control, Ad blocker...), but if I lose the active display this is not going to be good...
I also would like to add that this phone is less famous than others blockbusters from HTC, LG or Samsung (at least in France). Developers seem to go to where there are many users for their ROMs, excluding Nexus' line. This and that Motorola doesn't release the binaries and source...
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You wont lose any features just from unlocking and rooting, only if you flash a custom ROM that doesn't have them built in.

Moto X Pro feature port?

With the moto x pro literaly being exactly like the nexus 6 could we port over those sweet Motorola features?

randomnoob83 said:
With the moto x pro literaly being exactly like the nexus 6 could we port over those sweet Motorola features?
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Yeah, can you find somebody who actually has the phone? I search the web everyday for signs of it, but find nothing.

yeah theoretically we can.
we just need to get the system dump, which right now is pretty hard to get.

Look under the N6 General section... there is a link to a port of moto x pro

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Look under the N6 General section... there is a link to a port of moto x pro
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Here's the thread. Looks like it uses 5.0.2. I'll let some talented people sort it out before I do anything.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/img-retcn-xt1115-motoxpro-lxg22-67-7-t3076881
We should have something fun in a month or two! I'll definitely donate to whoever starts porting features.

I can't really help with coding or testing but just want to come by and say thanks for everything. You guys have all my support.