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Hi All,
I wondering if anyone can pass on some solid advice about sourcing and engaging a reputable programming company or freelance programmers in relation to a fairly significant project (in terms of capital expenditure) that I'm currently managing for a mining company in Australia.
I'm finding our mining industry is relatively incompetent and over-cashed when it comes to IT projects and the only potential providers for the solution are capitalising on this by offering basic (or even sub-standard) software at ridiculously high prices.
In brief terms, we require software capable of receiving real-time data and passing it to a database for subsequent interpretation/reporting and graphical display (on a real-time basis).
I'm not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination but my opinion is that the software should be relatively simple and straightforward to develop and hence far cheaper than current offerings...
Maybe I'm being naive, but I do feel there is real opportunity for a programmer here and am interested in peoples suggestions on how or where to approach this situation professionally and ensure I'm not led astray by some two-bit con.
If this seems a little ambiguous I apologise - it's a completely fresh ballgame for me and I'm just trying to gain some foundation...
My reason for posting here? Well, from the vast array of ROMs, apps etc that I've seen emerge from these forums in the last few weeks I figure there's some real talent and experience amongst the members and who better to ask for advice !
Cheers,
Windza
I want to create a theme, as no one here seems to have the same design sense as me; most are obsessed with trends from 2004 or something, and are fascinated by bright colors and the need for everything to be big and/or cluttered. as a minimalist, i'm basically exactly the opposite. i like clean, concise, small and unobtrusive.
Anyway, if a dalented dev and I could hook up, I could design a very nice looking exterior for Android so long as he could code it all into place. I'd be wanting to skin basically every skinnable object within Android; I want a full UI overhaul. I also want it to be the best looking thing released for the OS.
To give myself a little bit of credibility, here's a mock-up I was messing around with to provide an idea of what I'd be talking about.
http://img811.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=homel.png
is no one replying because it doesn't look good enough, or because no one is interested?
The design is very bland, more work on it would make it look pretty nice. I see you're aiming for a simple look yet, somewhat elegant.
looks very nice and clean but...
notification bar is half the size,dont know if it is possible to edit the size of it.
and it wouldnt be easy to acess the drop down menu.
Same goes to lockscreen,a lot to change...
Perhaps this are the reasons no dev is interested in this,but it is a nice concept...hope you can manage to get it done.
ZED_pt said:
looks very nice and clean but...
notification bar is half the size,dont know if it is possible to edit the size of it.
and it wouldnt be easy to acess the drop down menu.
Same goes to lockscreen,a lot to change...
Perhaps this are the reasons no dev is interested in this,but it is a nice concept...hope you can manage to get it done.
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You can change the status bar size from source: frameworks/base/core/res/res/values/dimens.xml and change the status bar dpi from 25 to "x"
that was just a mock-up. everything can/will be changed to meet the dimensions of the elements to the sizes needed for the phone. and yes, it'll looks a lot better after some more time is put into it. i posted just a barebones preview of what i hope to accomplish.
You came in here bashing many talented designers and then post that? Instead of 2004, you're going prior?
Good luck, and I hope your "new" idea (given that there are quite a few minimalist themes) turns out well.
how did i bash anyone? i mean sure my comment was a little snarky, but it wasn't meant to put anyone down.
i don't see how that's prior-2004 either way, though.
Instead of asking for "talented devs" to help you, it might work out better if you spend a little bit of time to get to know the roots of android theming, and hopefully get more going than a few minimalistic mockups. Read a few how-to guides to get things rolling and when you get to troublesome .9's and xml tweaks, that might be a better time to ask for help.
As much as all of us will be really excited to see what you come up with (I mean that seriously), I really think it would be better that you get some experience going on your own first. 'Employing' people to do the dirty work usually means the end result is nothing like what the concepts suggested (I think a lot of us remember a similar situation late last year).
Good luck, have fun. I'm looking forward to the results.
turn said:
I want to create a theme, as no one here seems to have the same design sense as me; most are obsessed with trends from 2004 or something, and are fascinated by bright colors and the need for everything to be big and/or cluttered.
http://img811.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=homel.png
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This is absolutely true, most of the themes would make my phone look like a cheap knockoff. However, I don't find yours the most appealing either. Minimalistic is good, very good, but add some more life to it (again, in a minimalistic and clean way)
It kinda reminds me of this here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=662721&highlight=xperia
turn said:
I want to create a theme, as no one here seems to have the same design sense as me; most are obsessed with trends from 2004 or something, and are fascinated by bright colors and the need for everything to be big and/or cluttered. as a minimalist, i'm basically exactly the opposite. i like clean, concise, small and unobtrusive.
Anyway, if a dalented dev and I could hook up, I could design a very nice looking exterior for Android so long as he could code it all into place. I'd be wanting to skin basically every skinnable object within Android; I want a full UI overhaul. I also want it to be the best looking thing released for the OS.
To give myself a little bit of credibility, here's a mock-up I was messing around with to provide an idea of what I'd be talking about.
http://img811.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=homel.png
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I do get where you're coming from and a lot of the themes posted aren't to my taste, but your design is weak. If you're going to make something so minimal that it's just a gradient fill and a font, the font needs to be something so special it can carry the whole design, and that really isn't... italics.. seriously..? It looks very dated. I think you've shown a lot of arrogance to come in here disrespecting the work put in by some very talented people, and then put forward your own amateurish design as an example of what they should be doing. You're not going to recruit anyone to help you that way.
Personally, I don't have the time or the motivation to work on full system themes without any kind of reward or pay. This is difficult, time consuming work, as you will soon find out if you make the effort to learn for yourself. I will however be leaning much more towards the minimal style in my future GDE themes, as it's my own personal preference.
Minimal is a very difficult look to pull off in an interface without looking bland, but there are some fine examples around here. Take a look at Elegance for a start. I respect that theme a lot.
Forget changing codes and such, just go to Sweeter Home and build it yourself. There are tons of themes there that look like your example.
http://www.sweeterhome.com/
Hey man, I just felt like I needed to give you some words of advice from an artistic standpoint.
I don't know your design capabilities, I don't claim this is your best, and I don't claim you are a world renown designer.
But every designer I do know deals with battling what other people say about their work.
We can choose to be offended, or we can choose to take it as a way of improving.
There are two words for this. One is greatly different from the other.
One is Criticism, and the other is constructive criticism.
Some of these posts I have seen are just pure criticism. (Perhaps this is why I see a whole page of posts gone but others I see here are constructively trying to criticize the work so that you may gain humility towards others works, and improve in your own.
This is a true barebone theme my friend, but I see potential in it. It doesn't matter what other's think, it matters what you think. If you ever need some help with this man, feel free to e-mail me. I am no dev, but I am a designer, and I would love to help you in the artistic aspects of this project, so that you can have something to be strongly proud of in the end of this. Let me know what's up. Shoot me a PM.
A loving word from one designer to another,
-VolcomDesigns
volcomdesigns said:
Hey man, I just felt like I needed to give you some words of advice from an artistic standpoint.
I don't know your design capabilities, I don't claim this is your best, and I don't claim you are a world renown designer.
But every designer I do know deals with battling what other people say about their work.
We can choose to be offended, or we can choose to take it as a way of improving.
There are two words for this. One is greatly different from the other.
One is Criticism, and the other is constructive criticism.
Some of these posts I have seen are just pure criticism. (Perhaps this is why I see a whole page of posts gone but others I see here are constructively trying to criticize the work so that you may gain humility towards others works, and improve in your own.
This is a true barebone theme my friend, but I see potential in it. It doesn't matter what other's think, it matters what you think. If you ever need some help with this man, feel free to e-mail me. I am no dev, but I am a designer, and I would love to help you in the artistic aspects of this project, so that you can have something to be strongly proud of in the end of this. Let me know what's up. Shoot me a PM.
A loving word from one designer to another,
-VolcomDesigns
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*applause* well said!
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Check out what I have so far
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This may be my first post so far, but I have some advice, as a web developer. Not bashing your coding or anything here, but users like a more modern look. A good mixture of CSS and jQuery can make it pleasing to the eye.
...also, it says 2002 - 2006 on the bottom. o.o
Fixed, and do you have any suggestions to make it more "modern"?
Well, on my sites, my friend is in charge of the layouts, and his works have progressively become more modern, in terms of less pointy edges (much like the table and div's in XDA.)
Soft, matching colors, but don't overdo it.
Perhaps a soft background, nothing too flashy. Plain color, or white even. Black if it matches.
I can't offer you design advise, but I agree with Diceroll -- people judge quickly (and harshly) on appearance. Even if your website is 100% functional, people will be turned off by a very basic appearance. Good luck with your endeavor though!
dx0 said:
I can't offer you design advise, but I agree with Diceroll -- people judge quickly (and harshly) on appearance. Even if your website is 100% functional, people will be turned off by a very basic appearance. Good luck with your endeavor though!
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That's correct, the hypocrisy of site viewers is never underestimated.
Personally, I suck at making layouts and such, but my sites functions are probably better than the competition. I also lack advertisement skills and resources. (but that's besides the point...)
Try googling CSS3 Generators, and CSS3 makers, etc.
You can easily design nice looking layouts using those types of things. You just need to know how to incorporate them well.
Yeah, i'm working on it now, just made some changes, etc.
I'm doing free banners right now, so if you guys want to be bannered, let me know!
Appreciate your advice.
What can i study in order for me to work as a web designer/ ui designer? keep in mind that i don't wanna study engineering , i dont like all of those math courses, algebra, physics ... do they teach it in universities or do i have to sign up in an institute?
I dont think there's a career such as "ui design" but there must a "web design" right? there must a "branch" in graphic design, i dont think im right for grphic design since im terrible at drawing what do you guys think ?
It would be IT where I'm going to college. That would include html, mySQL, php, and some other happy fun stuff Possibly Javascript.
-How cruel is the golden rule, when the lives we live are all golden plated-
UI design is generally an overlap of developers and graphic designers. A graphic designer is needed to make it look good, but a developer is needed to make it practical. Between them both, you get a good UI. Well, that's the theory anyway.
If you want to do UI design then you need to decide whether you want to do it from the design point of view, or the development point of view. If you want to actually build websites, then go the development route. If you don't, graphic design is probably the best bet.
There's also games development and design, which does have a particular branch that involves GUI design, but that's usually part of a quite heavy games programming course.
I've personally never heard of a UI design course. I'm not saying that there isn't one, but after 15 years in the industry I've never heard of anyone doing it as a job, either, other than in games development.
johncmolyneux said:
UI design is generally an overlap of developers and graphic designers. A graphic designer is needed to make it look good, but a developer is needed to make it practical. Between them both, you get a good UI. Well, that's the theory anyway.
If you want to do UI design then you need to decide whether you want to do it from the design point of view, or the development point of view. If you want to actually build websites, then go the development route. If you don't, graphic design is probably the best bet.
There's also games development and design, which does have a particular branch that involves GUI design, but that's usually part of a quite heavy games programming course.
I've personally never heard of a UI design course. I'm not saying that there isn't one, but after 15 years in the industry I've never heard of anyone doing it as a job, either, other than in games development.
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Thank you, your reply was really helpful , i want to do it from the design point of view, something i've learned here in xda is that a programmer does not make a good designer and viceversa, sometimes people make great programs but they're hideous, with lack of good taste and too many things/colors going on for example
What about " web design" is there a actually a course for that?
Yup, i studied that. Okay, not web design, but that was included. I studied multimedia design. That included web design, 3D, photography, and film.
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Chad_Petree said:
Thank you, your reply was really helpful , i want to do it from the design point of view, something i've learned here in xda is that a programmer does not make a good designer and viceversa, sometimes people make great programs but they're hideous, with lack of good taste and too many things/colors going on for example
What about " web design" is there a actually a course for that?
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I attended a graphic design program (contuing education) at a college nearby. If you're looking to learn the basics (illustrator, PS, InDesign.. etc.) Then I was would start there. But if you're already familiar with image editing and want to learn how to apply it to mobile UI design you can start by looking here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916814. But like John mentioned, there are two types of designing regarding UI.. basic modifying of images in the system is quit simple and only requires image editing software and 7zip (might want to learn how to edit mode.9/9patch and m10 images correctly as well). But if you're looking to do some of the more advanced designing you will need to do a bit of reading/searching. Thankfully, you can find all the info here at XDA.
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BazookaAce said:
Yup, i studied that. Okay, not web design, but that was included. I studied multimedia design. That included web design, 3D, photography, and film.
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multimedia design ? sounds nice, for how long? 4 years?
I only studied for 1 year, but i did plan on 4 years with 3 of those in Australia, but i got bored and stopped after one. And it was pricey. 20K per year.
Scabes24 said:
I attended a graphic design program (contuing education) at a college nearby. If you're looking to learn the basics (illustrator, PS, InDesign.. etc.) Then I was would start there. But if you're already familiar with image editing and want to learn how to apply it to mobile UI design you can start by looking here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916814. But like John mentioned, there are two types of designing regarding UI.. basic modifying of images in the system is quit simple and only requires image editing software and 7zip (might want to learn how to edit mode.9/9patch and m10 images correctly as well). But if you're looking to do some of the more advanced designing you will need to do a bit of reading/searching. Thankfully, you can find all the info here at XDA.
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Did you have a degree before studing graphic design? I need to know basics , since i know nothing, i just have my highschool degree, i want to do this as my career, not just a hobby
I know you're not asking me, but i did not have a degree in "graphics" before i started. It was a private school, so if you show them some "dineros", you're in. But hey, you have to learn it from some place ney? It doesn't hurt knowing some basic stuff in PS or Illustrator though.
In fairness, there's a LOT of online tutorials for learning techniques in all the popular design/illustration apps. It certainly wouldn't do any harm to get a head start.
johncmolyneux said:
In fairness, there's a LOT of online tutorials for learning techniques in all the popular design/illustration apps. It certainly wouldn't do any harm to get a head start.
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Of course that's what i plan on doing , study by my own till i start the program
You do not need to excel at drawing to study graphic art. You just need an eye for design and color; the rest can be learned at school. Having said that, talent is extremely important to find success as a graphic artist/designer.
Web design courses are usually included in graphic arts program, but you may also find exclusive web design programs. There’s one web design and development program at California College San Diego that trains graduates in both front-end design and back-end development of websites. Find more details on the link below:
cc-sd.edu/graphic-arts/bachelors/web-design-and-development
ralphak said:
You do not need to excel at drawing to study graphic art. You just need an eye for design and color; the rest can be learned at school. Having said that, talent is extremely important to find success as a graphic artist/designer.
Web design courses are usually included in graphic arts program, but you may also find exclusive web design programs. There’s one web design and development program at California College San Diego that trains graduates in both front-end design and back-end development of websites. Find more details on the link below:
cc-sd.edu/graphic-arts/bachelors/web-design-and-development
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good one
Now THIS is the example of not trying to pass the 10 post limit by spamming... Get that Noobs?
To the people who have been here all along:
I grew up in the 80s immersed in technology; having intrinsic skill with computers (from building PCs to application and web development), I naturally had a successful career in IT. (My passion has always been live, data-driven apps, and I have broad experience with SQL in the back and ASP.NET/JS/etc. in the front.) Unfortunately, I was unwell, self-destructed (got caught up in what amounted to an elaborate theft scheme), and went to prison.
Now that I'm releasing, I'm trying to find educational resources that will catch me up to speed in the industry so that I can restart a career in development for mobile devices. But web searches return what appears to me mostly junk. I believe that you folks will be able to point me in the right direction.
As a lifelong coder, I don't need a basic introductory class; that being said, my familiarity with specific environments only goes so far. Which programming languages do I need to learn, and can anyone refer me to particular resources that would best take advantage of my pre-existing abilities so that I can develop apps for Android, iOS, and alternatives?
Perhaps more importantly, I obviously need a leg up in AI and metaverse technologies. Especially because these are evolving fields, I'm not sure whether I need instruction in a particular application so much as a general tour -- but looking for something like that runs the risk of returning terrible wastes of time for someone in my position. I'm thinking I need a little of both, but choosing the platforms in which to invest my attention is going to require more than a web search.
Ideally, in addition to public-domain type materials, I'd like to gather a short list of remote-learning programs, possibly instructor-led and therefore having a structured schedule, but whatever works. I care less about obtaining a valued certificate than I do about getting the right kind of training for me so that I can actually pick up the knowledge necessary to inform my next steps.
Any pointers would be immeasurably appreciated! Thank you for reading.
You will need Java - Kotlin for Android , Objective C for iOS. And good understanding of how modern IDEs and software work.
https://www.freecodecamp.org/ is the best resource you can have for understanding current software scenarios.
AI is old. We always had AI
Metaverse is old. We always had Metaverse.
Modern tech companies are also the world's biggest marketing companies. Both fields are hyped by these companies.
They are just fancy names for Maths and Forum Avatars.