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I am coming from Sprint and unlimited data so I have no idea how often I actually went over 2 GB. How easy is it to do with no tethering, but I do plan on using Pandora in my car. Should I use wifi when It is available to alleviate some of the use? Never had to pay attention to data use before.
I can only reference my iphone 3gs data usage answering your question, because I haven't been on and checked mine recently, but I would say definitely use wifi when available (why not? Its super fast!) and about the data usage thing, when I had my iphone in never used wifi and there was only one time I went over 2gigs worth of data in the year I had it, and after heavy usage 24/7. And in can't recount why I did go over either... I would say u really don't have much to worry about unless you tether, thats a whole different ball game i could be wrong though.
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Even when AT&T had unlimited data there was a 5gig softcap that would raise suspicions if you went over it....that being said, for nearly a year I used my Blackberry as my sole internet connection on my home desktop (and played Warcraft online constantly) and never went over 5 gigs. I use wifi at home now and I stay well under 2 gigs easily, and I watch YouTube videos and so forth on a regular basis. Just install netcounter from the market and monitor your usage from the beginning of your billing cycle and you'll be surprised at how far 2 gigs will go.
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I can only reference my iphone 3gs data usage answering your question, because I haven't been on and checked mine recently, but I would say definitely use wifi when available (why not? Its super fast!) and about the data usage thing, when I had my iphone in never used wifi and there was only one time I went over 2gigs worth of data in the year I had it, and after heavy usage 24/7. And in can't recount why I did go over either... I would say u really don't have much to worry about unless you tether, thats a whole different ball game i could be wrong though.
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Y'all are all so helpful just like the folks over on the XDA Hero CDMA section. :up:
I will say that it's fairly easy to go over 2 gigs...especially if your using Pandora..Which the 2 other posters failed to mention.
I had my Omnia(Verizon) tethered and used in excess of 65 Gigs a billing cycle. And Verizon never complained..lol
Anyway, depending on how much of Pandora you use, the 2 gigs can go rather quick. It's shady that AT&T did that but there gonna do what they want. I'm currently on the 2 gig data trap with 3 lines(BB/G1/Captivate) and I use almost 2 gigs per line(except my not here yet Captivate) and thats with using wifi at work, home, and at my parents, and I still use a crap load of data.
If you don't HAVE to go to AT&T, I'd stay with Sprint..lol..Just my suggestion.
Hope everything works out.
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Using the dialer, type in *DATA# and call it. You'll get a text message saying how much data you've used, and when the next bill starts. Do some simple math, and prorate what you've used over a 30 day period, and see where you stand.
At first I was worried about data, but I did that and I wasn't going to even break 1GB. Since then I haven't even thought about it. Currently at ~500 MB with two weeks left on my billing cycle.
I guess it depends also a lot on how much you are on wifi , if you have wifi at home and/or work, i dont think you are going to ever hit the 2 gb cap.
Yea I'm at 183 mb and have 3 days left on my billing cycle. And don't get it twisted, that's from listening to alot of pandora in the car. Notice that guy said "tethered," keyword there. I wonder how much data pandora uses in the monthly 40 hour cap your allowed.
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If you stream a lot of 3G it is easy to go over, especially video.
Go to att.com/myandroid to check data usage. Also, 3G Watchdog app will keep track of your data usage.
That said, my friend had his iPhone 4 for a couple months and uses it quite a bit at work (always switches on wifi at home) and he never even passed 1GB.
I used 7gb of data last month on my captivate, (unlimited data ftw).
But damn bro, would you have waited a little longer, you could have gotten the EPIC XD
Well, presumably he could return his phone and retun to Sprint for the Epic 4g (Sprint's Galaxy S variant on the off chance you don't know), so long as he's in his 30 day return window. If I wasn't grandfathered in on unlimited, I probably would have held out and jumped ship to Sprint when the Epic lands.
Looking at my current data usage in the AT&T app, I will probably hit 1GB this month. I don't think I've done more than 3 hours of streaming radio, but I just flash JH2 and re-install all my apps over 3G, plus I installed the Asphalt 5 demo which includes a separate in-game 102mb data install, so that would explain my usage. I could see occasionally hitting 2GB, though I'm having trouble imaging how you would hit 7gigs in a month unless you were downloading/streaming several podcasts over 3G. I think my podcasts are 150-200mb daily, so I suppose it's possible. But it would be much faster to use wi-fi, so eh...
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I used 7gb of data last month on my captivate, (unlimited data ftw).
But damn bro, would you have waited a little longer, you could have gotten the EPIC XD
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10 dollars more a month for the same ****ty CDMA coverage, no thanks. There isn't any 4G here.
So after rooting with unleash the beast, it added wireless tether to my phone...
i am very excited about this but i am slightly concerned about actually using it. I have heard people talk about At&t being able to tell you have been tethering by how big your data packages are..
so what i am asking is.. is this concern over rated? can they and do they really check? and how many of you are wireless tethering with your captivate?
btw i have had the unlimited data package deal since iphone 3g so i still get "unlimited" data instead of 2gb limit
thanks in advance, and sorry if this is a stupid Q that has been answered b4
Could they find out - yes; do they, probably not; BUT if you do hit up against the 5Gb limit of unlimited a lot they will start looking. It is not easy, but they can do packet inspection and easily infer that your traffic is PC based and not phone based. If you use this as your primary internet connection at home you will get caught. If you tether now and then, you should be fine.
And don't apologize, use the search function.
I have seen guys post up their bills that showed 30+ gigs for multiple months! Said it was even from torrent downloading! I use it in the summer as my main connection usually ~3-4 gigs for 3 years now and have never had a problem.
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They don't seem to care
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
Never had a problem. I don't download really huge amounts of data on a tethered connection (leave that for other times). Normal use, such as web surfing, emails (with normal attachments) streaming video, etc should never result in any issues.
I've not experienced any issues. I don't use that much data however. I think the largest at one time was when I had to download Kies on my netbook when I was out of town. Other than that 200MB at once, it's nothing more than normal web usage.
I blew it out of the water this moth and they didn't seem to care
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seriously???? What in the world do you do with your phone??
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Seconded... I use my phone frequently for work which involves vpn + mutliple ssh sessions for 8 hours a day when I am away from the office and I usually hit about 2gb. To hit 5-10-20gb, you have to be running torrents or something stupid. That's insane.
That being said, I use wireless tethering and don't pay the additional tethering fee. I've done this for a year on AT&T and did it for years on Sprint (man, I miss their data network!) without any problems or charges.
I hit 5 to 10 gigs a month for the past six months. My phone is my major internet connection. That said, the only time I've tethered is for a friends youtube addiction and about once a week for the s wifes iphone 20 mb cap on apps. No problems, but I've been waiting for em to throttle me down to edge.
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So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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AT&T won't know if u tether through ur phone using android API. But u got to be careful as they can make out based on the amount of traffic u use.
Well, I can speak for the android phones but the never detected me doing it with my blackberry for the last 4 years.
Once they release their "version" I'll be able to report on the captivate as I will use it as much as possible.
Unless u have unlimited data plan, ATT should not care about it at all.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
i feel like if im able to make my phone tether without their help and i have unlimited data i can do that... it's for MY USE AND ENJOYMENT.... i realize att and most customers dont feel the same, and any business model wont permit that, so im not trying to start an argument or anything... just how i feel about it all... i have an unlimited plan, that means i can use UNLIMITED DATA regardless of how i use it...
but to answer OP, stick with native android if casual tethering, just watch your back and usage... maybe look into the att plan if your gonna use it everyday
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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Right. Once in a while is ok. But there are some habitual consumers. Such accounts would get flagged. Cos they didn't complain when u consumed high a couple doesn't mean people aren't watching.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
ejmeier1 said:
So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
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Technically, yes they can tell that you're tethering... but not because the tether itself sends a red flag. It's the type of traffic that your "phone" is generating that can be a dead giveaway. For example, if the user agent on your browser says it's IE8 running on Windows 7 it's pretty suspicious. If you're running p2p, gaming or any other kinds of software or data patterns that aren't really expected from your phone then it could raise a red flag. They aren't sniffing everyone's packets. However, if you are using unusually high data amounts, they could start monitoring your traffic and determine that you are most likely tethering. I guess you could deny it. I'm not sure how far you could argue that or how far they could "prove" their side.
However, they're not in the business of running customers off. They aren't looking to lose or upset a customer. If you aren't abusing the tethering (ie excessive data usage on an unlimited plan) I highly doubt that they would care or desire to upset you. I do suspect that some day they may use this as a tool to get rid of the unlimited data plans. I also suspect that if you aren't on an unlimited plan they probably would never complain, since you are paying per gb. This is all speculation on my part.
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
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The most they would probably even do if they did happen to single out a user for "unreasonable usage" is maybe ask you to stop or take away data unlimited. the fine print in the brochure does not say anything about cash penalties for over use it just says it will not be allowed.
i remember some time ago, someone developed an app or program to install on the phone that tricks t-mo into how much usage you actually use. He had a screenshot of over 10GB of data used without being throttled. I searched but cant find and wonder if anyone knows where it is or can link me and does it work?
I don't think anyone here will/should aid you openly in circumventing TMO's data usage regulations--
this was a thread posted on XDA with many replies and views. I dont think T-Mobile should throttle my unlimited plan either
I do remember that thread but just use Google, found a few diffrent places with step by step how to
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When I was back in the states for a month, I brought my T-MO account out of suspension. I was under the impression I had an unlimited account (as that is what was listed on the website). It turns out that it was limited to 5GB. Well, I didn't find that out until half-way through the month when I got a text saying they were going to throttle my speeds. I wasn't too happy about it, and I called customer service to complain and find out what my options were. My only option was to switch to another plan that required a new 2 year contract and then pay an extra obscene amount to get data past the 5GB point. I wasn't pleased when I hung up the phone.
Lo and behold, next time I need to use the internet with my laptop (my only internet access was through tethering), I found my speeds were not throttled. I guess T-MO uses software on the phone to actually do the throttling rather than something network-side. By the end of the month, I had used 8GB (which I didn't feel bad about considering my plan was advertised as unlimited).
Anyway, moral of the story: CM7 doesn't seem to be affected by throttling with T-Mobile US (as of June/July 2011).
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Anyway, moral of the story: CM7 doesn't seem to be affected by throttling with T-Mobile US (as of June/July 2011).
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That is over 9000% wrong.
If you didn't know about the fine print that is your own fault and while it may be a little misleading it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
Been on T Mo for years. They implemented this what, a year ago. I'm well aware of it and am trying to hook someone up. First post attacked me as if it wasn't on this site somewhere when in fact it is or was for a while. I know how things work around here.... somewhat ...lol
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I wasn't attacking you on being incorrect about the thread. I remember it also. I was commenting on what I perceived (correct me if wrong) was an app to cheat TMO out of it's ability to throttle speeds above 5gb.
I am totally against that policy, but respect their right to do it. I also find the ads misleading.
But, if the app does that, then it is, to me, like finding a way to make free long distance calls when your company charges for them.
An ethical question, if not illegal procedure.
So, my comment was saying I didn't think someone would help you do that.
Again, if I am wrong on the purpose of the app, sorry. If not, I stand by my opinion.
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That is over 9000% wrong.
If you didn't know about the fine print that is your own fault and while it may be a little misleading it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
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When I ordered the plan, they listed it as unlimited. When I viewed it on the site, it didn't have a data counter near it, it just said unlimited. So there wasn't even a way to see how close to the 5GBs I was getting. And I am not going to read through 30 pages of fine print just because they want people to think they have an unlimited plan (which as you state, is unlimited, just at a slower speed).
If they had let me know I had a 5GB cap before my speeds would be throttled, I would've totally changed my habits to prevent me from ever reaching that (I had downloaded an ubuntu ISO for a friend while we were out and about - definitely could've waited until I got to an area with wifi, had I known). I had no intention to go over, but when they try and mask what their plans are, how are we supposed to know unless we are lawyers and are able to understand their fine print.
Now that I know what my limits are, I won't ever reach them again. But do I feel bad for hitting their limits and then being able to go over them because I was running CM since they do their best to keep that information hidden? Absolutely not!
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it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
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FYI: You just defined limited.
I live in a big city, so I'm never going to hit my 5GB or 2 or whatever it is this week, mostly because the 3G speeds are horrible here and WiFi is everywhere.
My complaint is that T-Mobile implemented a fundamental change to a service that is locked into a contract and they won't let you out of it.
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FYI: You just defined limited.
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It's a speed limit, not a data limit. Unlimited data is unlimited.
from what i been searching around the internet, it all points to editing the services.jar to achieve this.
i havent found anything about an app to do something like this yet, so i wouldnt be so sure if there is.
but something like this in general would be nice to have just to get alittle more speed than was intended for
update: guess this is the page you were looking for OP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052064
it was ment for the g2x so it might not play so nicely with our N1s, but yeah if you really wanna look into doing this google is your friend! lol
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i remember some time ago, someone developed an app or program to install on the phone that tricks t-mo into how much usage you actually use. He had a screenshot of over 10GB of data used without being throttled. I searched but cant find and wonder if anyone knows where it is or can link me and does it work?
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I use to have a htc g2 with a $50 dollar prepaid plan witch only give me 100mb 4g data speed
after I root my phone I also flash the HBOOT from the European phone htc dezire z after I did this I use all 4g I want and tmobile does not detect my data usage but this only works with wap.voicestream.com apn not epc you have to delete all default apn and create a new one with wap apn
now this seems to work only on htc g2 because I upgrade my phone to sensation 4g I root this phone flash radios,roms use different apn nothing works on this phone tmobile detect my 4g data use.....
Hey guys,
Need to get a new phone and been researching a bunch. I have the old unlimited plan, and want to keep it. I can currently hotspot with my old android but need to upgrade.
I heard you can hotspot with an unlocked S8/note etc. but no one has been able to get wifi calling to work (I am often in an area with poor coverage, so need wifi calling as well).
Been scouring the forums -- has anyone figured out how to get wifi calling and hotspot with the unlimited data plans???
Thanks a bunch!
Not without rooting this thing... which hasn't happened yet.
on a side note, I too was on the old unlimited plan and held out forever until they brought the unlimited plans back recently. I was skeptical at first but I made the switch to have unlimited calling and texting and free international while in Canada and Mexico. I actually ended up saving about $15 / month too so it actually benefited me making the switch to the new unlimited plan. Not sure what your situation is but have you looked into just switching to the new ones?
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Not without rooting this thing... which hasn't happened yet.
on a side note, I too was on the old unlimited plan and held out forever until they brought the unlimited plans back recently. I was skeptical at first but I made the switch to have unlimited calling and texting and free international while in Canada and Mexico. I actually ended up saving about $15 / month too so it actually benefited me making the switch to the new unlimited plan. Not sure what your situation is but have you looked into just switching to the new ones?
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Yah honestly I don't use it enough to justify, but I can't stand the thought of giving up the UDP -- the current UDPs throttle above like 20Gbs is what I was reading, so not 100% the same... would love to be able to keep it but it's getting harder to do
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Yah honestly I don't use it enough to justify, but I can't stand the thought of giving up the UDP -- the current UDPs throttle above like 20Gbs is what I was reading, so not 100% the same... would love to be able to keep it but it's getting harder to do
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Yeah, I hear you. I was the same way. Held on to it for as long as I could. In fact, If I hadn't needed a new phone I would probably still be on it. My HTC M9 was going out; the battery wasn't lasting as long as I needed it and the headphone jack was sketchy. My dad bought a Samsung S8+ for his work line, hated it and gave it to me for free. Well, there's no root for this yet so I can't do the hotspot hack and still wanted unlimited data so I finally made the switch. Honestly I haven't noticed a difference at all and it's $15 / month cheaper now with talk/text in Canada included when i'm up there for work. I don't use the hotspot enough to get to the 15 GB limit where it throttles you down and as far as the 22 GB threshold where it prioritizes... either I've never reached it or if I have, I've never even noticed a slow down.
I just checked the last 4 month data history on the app.. I've only used 18.5-21.5 GB each month over the last 4 so at least over the last 4 months I can't speak for the 22 GB threshold and any slow downs after that. I would imagine it wouldn't be that drastic unless you're on a tower with a lot of users.
But to each their own.. for me it has actually worked out to be a positive.