Yes I have read the FAQ, and I still think this is possible, if you install via custom recovery.
Currently the flashable zip generation requires root access. If there is any way to generate that flashable zip file without root then only a custom recovery would be required to install Xposed, as a custom recovery can write to /system without needing root. Since I am currently installing root only to install Xposed and then immediately removing it I would greatly appreciate an install option that doesn't require me going through the rooting process.
So my request is for the two recovery installation options not require root to generate the zip file. Thank you.
Open recovery, flash ZIP file.
You don't need at all.
That part I know. Once I have the flashable zip file I am fine. However, on my phone I cannot create the flashable zip file without root. It just fails. Hence my request.
Stupid question, but can you install recovery without root?
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Stupid question, but can you install recovery without root?
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Yes, some manufacturers include recoveries pre-installed, but those often have restricted functionality.
Also, recovery can be installed on some phones without root with the use of a PC (again, it's brand-dependant).
And finally, a few (too few) manufacturers ship their devices with unlocked bootloader which means you can do anything you want with them.
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Yes, some manufacturers include recoveries pre-installed, but those often have restricted functionality.
Also, recovery can be installed on some phones without root with the use of a PC (again, it's brand-dependant).
And finally, a few (too few) manufacturers ship their devices with unlocked bootloader which means you can do anything you want with them.
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Yep. I personally have an HTC device and they allow anyone to unlock their bootloader by filling out a form on their website. Once the bootloader is unlocked no root is required to flash a custom recovery. That is how I typically run my device no root but custom recovery. Occasionally, I revert to stock recovery to install a system update. Then I run into this issue where I have to root just to reactivate Xposed, then unroot again. I would much prefer to avoid the root/unroot part of reactivating Xposed.
I'm hoping that since it is only creating the zip file that I am asking about this is a quick and easy change.
XspeedPL said:
Yes, some manufacturers include recoveries pre-installed, but those often have restricted functionality.
Also, recovery can be installed on some phones without root with the use of a PC (again, it's brand-dependant).
And finally, a few (too few) manufacturers ship their devices with unlocked bootloader which means you can do anything you want with them.
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In Moto G you can install a custom recovery and mount /system and /data (I need a custom recovery to flash SuperSU.zip), so, I think it's possible.
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Yes, some manufacturers include recoveries pre-installed, but those often have restricted functionality.
Also, recovery can be installed on some phones without root with the use of a PC (again, it's brand-dependant).
And finally, a few (too few) manufacturers ship their devices with unlocked bootloader which means you can do anything you want with them.
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Not the stock recoveries, installed recoveries. I didn't think you could install TWRP or CWM without root.
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Not the stock recoveries, installed recoveries. I didn't think you could install TWRP or CWM without root.
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Have you heard of flashtool or Odin?
Using flashmode/fastboot you can do more than with root.
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Not the stock recoveries, installed recoveries. I didn't think you could install TWRP or CWM without root.
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I have installed both without root multiple times. Here are a few guides.
Nexus Devices (Note rooting comes after custom recovery is installed.)
General Advice (Note: First option requires root, second two do not.)
In general as long as you can unlock your bootloader no root is required. I have only ever purchased Android devices that let me unlock the bootloader, so I have always gone that route.
Again for my feature request though I just want the flashable zip generation to not require root. That (hopefully minor) change would allow a completely root free use of Xposed. Which would be wonderful for me.
Stock recovery will only flash officially signed packages. If you have a custom recovery, you can easily gain root access. So what point would it serve?
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Stock recovery will only flash officially signed packages. If you have a custom recovery, you can easily gain root access. So what point would it serve?
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That question makes no more sense to me than a comment that Xposed does nothing more than a custom ROM, and if you can install Xposed you can install a custom ROM so what is the point of Xposed?
However, I will provide a few of my answers to your question pick your favorite.
Requiring root without needing to doesn't serve any point so why require it?
Root is required "because it replaces a file in /system/bin". However, on my phone /system/bin is write protected by the kernel, so root does not grant write access to /system/bin only recovery does, So why is root required to create a zip file that I install via recovery?
I like to be able to run apps that don't work if you are rooted. (DRM protected movies, corporate apps, etc.) so rooting causes me problems, and fully unrooting afterwards is a bit of a pain. (I have had to develop a custom script to do it efficiently.)
So, I just did some more searching and discovered that I'm not the only one who wants this. jurben requested this back in September and even wrote up the code to make it possible.
So, I went ahead and turned it into a Pull Request on GitHub. Hopefully it gets accepted.
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Sorry for the wall of text and for being a total noob and thank you for all your help !
So I've been researching all night (read the wiki to no avail too; so please don't simply direct me there) and I have some unanswered noob rooting questions questions and need general reassurance...
Basically I want is full and lasting root permissions on FRG83D 2.2.1 so I can remove system apps (twitter, amazon, etc...) through terminal commands and MAYBE a unlocked boot loader to flash a custom recovery image (Amon_RA) so I can make full nandroid backups.
1) It seems to me that unlocking the bootloader is a more flexible and permanent way to achieve root, as opposed to other '1-click' type methods in the face of firmware updates (2.3...), which would just disable root and it might not be re-achievable till another exploit is found whereas with an unlocked bootloader I can flash w/e I want?
2) Is it possible to enable root and use terminal on my n1 without some "superuser.apk" program? In order to do this would I use an insecure superboot and manually deploy SU?
3) How can I make a backup before rooting if I'm not rooted? I've been using my device for 8 months so there's a lot of stuff on there...
3a) If I can't make a full backup where can I find signed stock recovery images and boot images or updates zips so I can reflash them if I need to?
4) I believe if I superboot.img and leave everything (ROM and Recovery) stock will I still be able to receive and install OTA updates...?
4a) Can someone explain the difference between himem with updated wifi driver and not? I think himem removes permanent virtual address mapping so memory can be used for running applications. Asides from having more memory what are the tangible benefits or downsides to this? Would it make the system faster?Would I be able to multitask more apps before the system quits some because of lacking resources? Would the use of this extra memory inhibit system processes because there is no longer its own personal memory map?
4b) Will installing OTA updates remove root permission? If so, would simply flashing superboot.img re-grant me those permissions? But it would seem I need an updated superboot.img for the appropriate newer build(?). Is the development of superboot images still active and timely?
5) How important are OTAs and the stock recovery image? It would seem if I'm going to do any system moding (even just removing twitter/amazon) I should have a full and function Nandroid backup and would therefor need a custom recovery image- at the sake of missing OTAs (not important mainly because applying them would disable root etc anyway?)?
6) With root permissions and stock everything do I have to worry about manual baseband and radio updates? What about with a custom recovery image?
7) Apps2SD+ doesn't work with stock roms period and I would need a compatible custom rom?
Thanks again.
actually you can flash a recovery image without unlocking boot loader
1. Unlocking bootloader voids warranty and it is the official way to offer you the ability to install third-party roms.
You may get root without unlocking bootloader if you're using an old build. I think there are ways to root frg91 and frg83 without unlocking boot loader), then after you get root, you flash a recovery image, and then install whichever Rom you like. Don't bother with those official release, there will always be someone to release a rooted 2.3 rom.
2. not sure but from security's point of view it's better to have super user GUI program, because not all applications should get root
3. don't know sorry
4. Yes, there are lots of people revert back to stock ROM just for getting next OTA.
4a. I personally have never ran out of memory on my Nexus One, I do want to multi task as much as possible, however no matter how I set low mem killer, Android still automatically kills apps according to oom value (or something like that)
4b. If you get a successful OTA then definitely root is removed, and probably your recovery will revert to stock recovery too, thus you have to re-root..
5. I'd suggest to wait for someone to mod OTA 2.3 to make it rooted, then you flash the rom through recovery.
6. You can freely upgrade baseband (it's radio, the same thing) when you have a custom recovery.
7. There are mainly two ways to App2SD, one is Froyo implementation which works with stock Froyo rom, another way is to use App2Ext which requires root.
houzuoguo pretty much summed it up. I'll add what I can.
3) There is backup software in the market that can backup data without root, although it is not as powerful or thorough as the apps that require root.
3a) You can go back to a stock ROM. I believe there is a sticky round here of ROMs that has some stock ROMs in it. I know someone with a N1 that flashed a CM ROM, didn't like it, flashed a stock ROM, and got the OTA afterwards.
5) Even before an OTA is pushed there are ROMs floating around with the latest and greatest. After the OTAs are pushed you see a lot of very good, stable ROMs based off of them with all features working properly. You can do more with the custom ROMs and recovery images than you could ever do with the stock stuff.
7) DarkTremor's Apps2SD script will not only give you better A2SD than what is built into Froyo but it will give you a few more very useful terminal commands that I can't live without. Good stuff.
hi everyone! i just had my nexus one. i bought it from someone and i don't know if it's already rooted or not. Im already on FRG83D 2.2.1.
1.How do I know that my fone is already rooted?
2.Where can i download the stock ROM just in case the fone crashes and i want to revert?
proteus665 said:
hi everyone! i just had my nexus one. i bought it from someone and i don't know if it's already rooted or not. Im already on FRG83D 2.2.1.
1.How do I know that my fone is already rooted?
2.Where can i download the stock ROM just in case the fone crashes and i want to revert?
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1. Check if there's application named 'superuser'. Or install any terminal emulator; run it, type 'su'.
**Please make your own thread next time.....
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**Please make your own thread next time.....
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Why?
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Thanks guy!
I think I'm going to superoneclick to get root; back up with titanium and remove the system apps I don't want.
From there I'll be able to flash a custom recovery if I want to get more custom.
I'm probably going to wait till 2.3 comes out cause it's right around the corner; Or did they fix the superoneclick exploit in 2.3...?
Also, doesn't Apps2ext require a custom rom that supports it? i.e. it wouldn't work if I had root and was running a stock rom anyway?
Hi, I know it may have been foolish of me to get the Dev edition and im not a dev but it's unlocked, more storage and i think it was the better choice.
With that being said, is there a way to root this device permanently? I see there's an HTC One toolkit but it seems to be only for the ones with the Bootloader locked. This bootloader is unlocked so is there a thread yall can direct me to in order to root and flash a custom rom?
I'd appreciate it Folks
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Hi, I know it may have been foolish of me to get the Dev edition and im not a dev but it's unlocked, more storage and i think it was the better choice.
With that being said, is there a way to root this device permanently? I see there's an HTC One toolkit but it seems to be only for the ones with the Bootloader locked. This bootloader is unlocked so is there a thread yall can direct me to in order to root and flash a custom rom?
I'd appreciate it Folks
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you don't need to root it, just flash a recovery and then a custom rom and then you'll have a rooted device cause custom roms are all rooted
matt95 said:
you don't need to root it, just flash a recovery and then a custom rom and then you'll have a rooted device cause custom roms are all rooted
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Thank you! Awesome
matt95 said:
you don't need to root it, just flash a recovery and then a custom rom and then you'll have a rooted device cause custom roms are all rooted
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One more stupid question about Dev edition: will I be able to flash mods/apps from zip files using custom recovery, without rooting the phone/installing custom rooted ROM? There is a reason I don't want to root - my corporate mail will not work on rooted device, then I will need to use something like Voodoo OTA Root keeper and hide my root all the time, then restore it when I need, do what I need and after it I will need to re-install corporate email and re-enroll to company's server, in order to not get in trouble with company's Information Security, which I do not want.
I am not so interested in custom ROMs, but do interested in few mods and addons that will definitely come soon (e.g. separation of Ringtones sound level from Notification, battery charge percent on the battery icon in status bar, etc)
Thanks!
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One more stupid question about Dev edition: will I be able to flash mods/apps from zip files using custom recovery, without rooting the phone/installing custom rooted ROM? There is a reason I don't want to root - my corporate mail will not work on rooted device, then I will need to use something like Voodoo OTA Root keeper and hide my root all the time, then restore it when I need, do what I need and after it I will need to re-install corporate email and re-enroll to company's server, in order to not get in trouble with company's Information Security, which I do not want.
I am not so interested in custom ROMs, but do interested in few mods and addons that will definitely come soon (e.g. separation of Ringtones sound level from Notification, battery charge percent on the battery icon in status bar, etc)
Thanks!
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well i don't think so... if you do not want to be rooted you have to remain with the stock rom and i don't know if every mod is compatible with that
Root issues
matt95 said:
you don't need to root it, just flash a recovery and then a custom rom and then you'll have a rooted device cause custom roms are all rooted
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I did the same. I just flashed CWM Touch Recovery and Superuser, but AdAway disables every time I reboot and I can't get rid of the Google Bloatware and FB/Twitter - which I don't use. I tried deleting them using ES File Explorer, but they come back every time I reboot. Please help. I hate having the bloatware and knowing that it takes up almost 150 MB makes me mad!!!
/system has kernel protection and you need to flash either a kernel or rom that disables it.
Ah!
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/system has kernel protection and you need to flash either a kernel or rom that disables it.
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Ah! I see. Do you know of any kernel that I can safely flash and not break my phone? It's only a week old and I don't want to end up bricking it or something. Also, do you know if I can still receive OTA updates from HTC? Whenever they do come out, that is. Sorry to be asking such a noob-ish question..
Also, is that the same reason AdAway gets auto-disabled at every boot?
Faux123 has a great kernel, and yes the hosts file gets reset for the same reason.
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Faux123 has a great kernel, and yes the hosts file gets reset for the same reason.
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Can you please tell me what the potential issues are, if I flash the kernel? Also, please let me know about the OTA updates and if it'll work after rooting and/or flashing a new kernel. Thank you!
Flash the kernel known as elemental X. It seems to have zero issues, I've been running it for a while now and the only difference is I am fully rooted with this kernel.AS far as OTA updates..
well whenever you unlock the bootloader at HTC's website it will definitely reset a non developer edition phone to factory defaults and from there it will remove calculator and a couple of other apps so that HTC knows you're no longer boot loader locked and yes this will prevent OTA updates.
since yours came with an unlocked bootloader in theory you could just flash the kernel and from there when you install SuperSU you will be able to do anything you need to do. With SuperSU you can temporarily turn off root so that you can do things that would normally be prevented/notice that you are rooted.
The Redbox streaming video service app is an example, it will not work on rooted devices but if you go in the SuperSU app and turn on temporary un-root. Then you are able to load the app, watch a show then close the app and restore root all without rebooting..
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Flash the kernel known as elemental X. It seems to have zero issues, I've been running it for a while now and the only difference is I am fully rooted with this kernel.AS far as OTA updates..
well whenever you unlock the bootloader at HTC's website it will definitely reset a non developer edition phone to factory defaults and from there it will remove calculator and a couple of other apps so that HTC knows you're no longer boot loader locked and yes this will prevent OTA updates.
since yours came with an unlocked bootloader in theory you could just flash the kernel and from there when you install SuperSU you will be able to do anything you need to do. With SuperSU you can temporarily turn off root so that you can do things that would normally be prevented/notice that you are rooted.
The Redbox streaming video service app is an example, it will not work on rooted devices but if you go in the SuperSU app and turn on temporary un-root. Then you are able to load the app, watch a show then close the app and restore root all without rebooting..
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Thank you for allaying my fears. I flashed the faux123 kernel because it was suggested "first!" Working fine now. I rebooted and the apps haven't come back after uninstalling them. Thank you so so much for educating me!
PS: How do I Thank you officially? Is there some thank button on here?
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Flash the kernel known as elemental X. It seems to have zero issues, I've been running it for a while now and the only difference is I am fully rooted with this kernel.AS far as OTA updates..
well whenever you unlock the bootloader at HTC's website it will definitely reset a non developer edition phone to factory defaults and from there it will remove calculator and a couple of other apps so that HTC knows you're no longer boot loader locked and yes this will prevent OTA updates.
since yours came with an unlocked bootloader in theory you could just flash the kernel and from there when you install SuperSU you will be able to do anything you need to do. With SuperSU you can temporarily turn off root so that you can do things that would normally be prevented/notice that you are rooted.
The Redbox streaming video service app is an example, it will not work on rooted devices but if you go in the SuperSU app and turn on temporary un-root. Then you are able to load the app, watch a show then close the app and restore root all without rebooting..
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Thank button found and clicked!
Dev edition. Unlocked and rooted with TWRP.
Put the 4.4.2 exchange apk's in /system then found out my company requires full device encryption on phones without an SD card.
I want to stay stock. Only reason I rooted was to get the new exchange apks.
If I encrypt everything will I still be able to:
-Use adb to go back to stock recovery
-use root explorer to restore the stock system apps
-take an OTA while maintaining unlock and root?
Sorry for the dumb questions. Every phone I've used had an SD card and I never had to deal with this.
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Prior to posting this I read about 50 google results and learned that Google sucks.
So I'm slowly figuring out these answers as I go since no one else knows.
First I unlocked and rooted my device using this guide:
http://www.elementalxdesigns.com/ec...our-Moto-X-Developer-Edition-and-install-TWRP
Immediately after installing TWRP reboot into recovery and then tell TWRP to reboot. It will ask if you want to root, say yes. Install Super su from play store.
Next I used root explorer to get the 4.4.2 exchange and exchange services into /system/app then disabled the old ones in the normal settings/apps menu.
Then I set up my phone and configured my work exchange account and let it encrypt my device.
Here is what I have discovered:
- TWRP still can be booted into, but it can't see the /data partition. So you cant make a full nandroid or flash any files you saved to your phone.
- You can still use adb to flash TWRP or the stock recovery
Unknown:
-If I wasn't already rooted would TWRP have been able to root the device after unlocking and flashing TWRP earlier? It can't see the data partition, does it need to?
I don't have time right now to "start fresh" and see, but when I do I will update this thread.
I wish I could be of assistance, but I would love for you to keep us posted. I thought about encrypting my phones many times but I didn't know if/what that would prevent me from doing.
MotoX Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock with tweaks!
You don't need to install a custom recovery to root. I have a Verizon Moto X which I used the "SlapMyMoto" method. After rooting I was able to encrypt the phone just fine without any issues to my root. I don't have an unlocked bootloader (don't see a point personally, since I don't plan to install another ROM).
If you intent to install another ROM then you'll want to not have the phone encrypted unless TWRP can access encrypted files on your device.
If you don't want to install a custom ROM then I recommend using the SlapMyMoto method, which works very well though it is a bit cumbersome to get done, once it is done you shouldn't need to redo it unless you accept an OTA.
The basic process is to root it using methods for 4.2 (you have to restore to 4.2 prior to rooting), then disable write protection using the appropriate tool, I think it is calle MotoWPNoNo or something along those lines. After that, accept the OTA to 4.4 and run SlapMyMoto to get root back.
Thanks titan. I think my biggest question right now is "can you root a phone that is already encrypted?"
I know I can unlock (dev edition) and install TWRP (abd) but can I root if TWRP can't see the /data partition meaning I can't flash the supersu zip.
If you root *then * encrypt it works fine. But since un-encrypting requires a wipe it would be nice to avoid having to go though that.
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Restola said:
Thanks titan. I think my biggest question right now is "can you root a phone that is already encrypted?"
I know I can unlock (dev edition) and install TWRP (abd) but can I root if TWRP can't see the /data partition meaning I can't flash the supersu zip.
If you root *then * encrypt it works fine. But since un-encrypting requires a wipe it would be nice to avoid having to go though that.
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Well, you don't actually need to see the /data partition to flash, if you have the ZIp somewhere else, or use ADB + TWRP (I think you can do that? I know you can with CWM). When you encrypt the OS isn't encrypted so /system isn't touched. The short answer is, yes, you can. TWRP should be able to read the encryption - in fact it should ask you for a password to decrypt when you boot into recovery.
I would still recommend using SlapMyMoto as it leave stock recovery in place, the reason this is good is because TWRP won't respond to an automatic wipe request from Android Device Manager or similar service. If you leave the stock recovery in place then you can still remote-wipe the device if you need to.
If you've already got TWRP in place it is simple... Does TWRP ask you to decrypt the phone before it goes in? If it does, can you see your internal SD Card and select a ZIP from it? If those are YES then, it'll work fine. TWRP can see the entire phone and thus you can install a zip without problem. If i can't, you'll need to get more creative, but I still would suggest seeing you can use ADB while you're booted into TWRP to push the SuperSU ZIP to the device to flash.
Here is a link from last year from Stack Exchange about TWRP and an encrypted device. I know that when I had my S3 running CyanogenMod TWRP would decrypt it just fine.
https://android.stackexchange.com/q...custom-recovery-work-with-an-encrypted-device
Should you need to do it, here is the link for using ADB with TWRP... (it is called Sideloading, forgot that)
http://teamw.in/ADBSideload
Thanks the side loading may be what I'm looking for If I ever go back to square one and want to root while encrypted. TWRP didn't ask to decrypt so no luck there.
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Did you ever get this working? I just put TWRP on my MotoX DE, and I encrypted my phone (Exchange requirement). Anyway to have TWRP decrypt so i can sideload or root?
I know that one step in the rooting process is to use application like Root Genius.
Curious as I am, I would like to know what exactly this application is doing?
I would like to know whether whatever this application does, I can do by hand.
Depending what firmware you are right now on it may be possibly (definitely possible with any B6xx and higher rom) to flash the newest SuperSU.zip through a custom recovery. This way you gain root access. To be full rooted you may also delete the set_immutable on B6xx roms.
So, I'd definitely recommend to use the recovery-methode..
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Depending what firmware you are right now on it may be possibly (definitely possible with any B6xx and higher rom) to flash the newest SuperSU.zip through a custom recovery. This way you gain root access. To be full rooted you may also delete the set_immutable on B6xx roms.
So, I'd definitely recommend to use the recovery-methode..
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So, actually step for using Root genius, iRoot or Kingo android root is not necessary.
If I flash custom recovery, than supersu, I believe that I have to flash rooted boot partition as well.
Still I would like to know what these applications do.
I used this method after I unlocked with sunshine to remove king-root and replace it with SuperSU. It worked great for me. Kingroot is gone and i have a permanent root and SuperSU installed. I was wondering if there is someone else who has unlocked their boot-loader and not yet installed TWRP who can give it a shot to see if my expereince was a fluke or the norm. It would be a nice addition for people who want root but don't want TWRP installed for one reason or another.
I used the second link in his post.
Replace_Kinguser_with_SuperSU-v2.4.zip
http://www.w0lfdroid.com/2015/05/How-to-Remove-Replace-KingUser-KingRoot-with-SuperSU.html
Thank you
HT123 said:
I used this method after I unlocked with sunshine to remove king-root and replace it with SuperSU. It worked great for me. Kingroot is gone and i have a permanent root and SuperSU installed. I was wondering if there is someone else who has unlocked their boot-loader and not yet installed TWRP who can give it a shot to see if my expereince was a fluke or the norm. It would be a nice addition for people who want root but don't want TWRP installed for one reason or another.
I used the second link in his post.
Replace_Kinguser_with_SuperSU-v2.4.zip
http://www.w0lfdroid.com/2015/05/How-to-Remove-Replace-KingUser-KingRoot-with-SuperSU.html
Thank you
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I previously used the above method you posted to permanent root an LG Transpyre on 5.1.1 that did not have the bootloader unlocked. Glad to see someone else knows about it. :good:
Maybe it will work on a locked bootloader Turbo for those who don't want to unlock their phones but just want root.
classic757 said:
I previously used the above method you posted to permanent root an LG Transpyre on 5.1.1 that did not have the bootloader unlocked. Glad to see someone else knows about it. :good:
Maybe it will work on a locked bootloader Turbo for those who don't want to unlock their phones but just want root.
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Can not unlock booloader root? I do not have a visa. $ 25 is a huge amount to me
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Can not unlock booloader root? I do not have a visa. $ 25 is a huge amount to me
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I don't think that is the case.
What I said was you don't need to install a custom recovery.
Give it a shot report back though. Worst that can happen is it does not work.
HT123 said:
I don't think that is the case.
What I said was you don't need to install a custom recovery.
Give it a shot report back though. Worst that can happen is it does not work.
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Agreed. I was just pointing out that I was able to use kingroot and wolfdroid's method to permanent root a phone (albeit an lg phone) that had a locked bootloader. Other people also had success doing that as well on other brands of phones. Will it work on a Turbo with a locked bootloader? IDK. However I would not be surprised if it does. I had a Turbo with a locked bootloader but sold mine else I would try it myself.
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Agreed. I was just pointing out that I was able to use kingroot and wolfdroid's method to permanent root a phone (albeit an lg phone) that had a locked bootloader. Other people also had success doing that as well on other brands of phones. Will it work on a Turbo with a locked bootloader? IDK. However I would not be surprised if it does. I had a Turbo with a locked bootloader but sold mine else I would try it myself.
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I agree, i apologize if it it came off otherwise. I think the question is if the sunshine process removes the protection and allow writing to the system partition. I unlocked prior to making my root permanent so i cant test again but am very interested to see if it works with a locked boot loader
HT123 said:
I agree, i apologize if it it came off otherwise. I think the question is if the sunshine process removes the protection and allow writing to the system partition. I unlocked prior to making my root permanent so i cant test again but am very interested to see if it works with a locked boot loader
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My thinking it that it probably will work because temp root can be obtained on a locked bootloader Turbo with kingroot. It's just that kingroot is unstable and often times does not survive reboot. However, wolfdroid's method is similar to using SuperSu Me(or SuperSume). It removes kingroot and replaces it with SuperSu, which of course is more stable and survives reboot.
classic757 said:
My thinking it that it probably will work because temp root can be obtained on a locked bootloader Turbo with kingroot. It's just that kingroot is unstable and often times does not survive reboot. However, wolfdroid's method is similar to using SuperSu Me(or SuperSume). It removes kingroot and replaces it with SuperSu, which of course is more stable and survives reboot.
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If security is disabled and the system can write to the system partition it will work, if not, then I assume Sunshine disables it in the process of unlocking the boot-loader. Hopefully someone with a stock Turbo who was going to unlock anyway can verify.
Not sure why you wouldn't want a custom recovery. With custom recovery you can make backups of your entire phone image in case you screw something up. Many times in the past I've flashed something that didn't work as I expected. And with ROOT, if you flash something you can screw up something system-related. Very easy to boot back into TWRP recovery and restore the previous day's backup I had made. Like a time machine to erase your mistake.
And it's FREE. Doesn't cost anything.
Yes, with Titanium Backup (a powerful app) you can restore previous versions of an another app. (I choose to save 3 days worth of apps in Titanium Backup.) But with a TWRP custom recovery backup (also called a "nandroid"), you can save and restore the ENTIRE phone, including all system apps, all settings, everything. Very powerful, useful tool.
I wouldn't have a rooted phone without custom recovery. That's one of the main reasons I always buy phones where I can unlock the bootloader -- to install custom recovery (like TWRP or CW) and root.
If you screw something up and come asking for help, the first thing someone is going to ask is, "Did you make a backup?" And they are talking about a custom recovery backup.
ChazzMatt said:
Not sure why you wouldn't want a custom recovery. With custom recovery you can make backups of your entire phone image in case you screw something up. Many times in the past I've flashed something that didn't work as I expected. And with ROOT, if you flash something you can screw up something system-related. Very easy to boot back into TWRP recovery and restore the previous day's backup I had made. Like a time machine to erase your mistake.
And it's FREE. Doesn't cost anything.
Yes, with Titanium Backup (a powerful app) you can restore previous versions of an another app. (I choose to save 3 days worth of apps in Titanium Backup.) But with a TWRP custom recovery backup (also called a "nandroid"), you can save and restore the ENTIRE phone, including all system apps, all settings, everything. Very powerful, useful tool.
I wouldn't have a rooted phone without custom recovery. That's one of the main reasons I always buy phones where I can unlock the bootloader -- to install custom recovery (like TWRP or CW) and root.
If you screw something up and come asking for help, the first thing someone is going to ask is, "Did you make a backup?" And they are talking about a custom recovery backup.
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As far as why... some people like chocolate... some people like vanilla. The question is not the merits of a custom recovery, it is if one is required to have persistent root on the phone.
I personally don't care about a custom recovery. I prefer the stock rom at this point because without fail most custom roms have some minor bug that inevitably annoys the sh*t out of me. I want root because i want an ad blocker. I want an ad blocker because I use my phone as a proxy for web traffic on a computer with network monitoring software and i would prefer my internet traffic not be visible to my employer. There is zero reason for a custom recovery to do what i want to do.