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Hello,
I have been following a thread in the Developer section, I'm unable to post there.
I could not find an answer?
I want to find out if there will be an issue using the NEXUS 7 TOOLKIT AUTO UPDATE V4.3.4 (SkipSoft.net)
I already have the Android SDK installed, a long story whilst playing about with a cheap Chinese Tablet :crying:
I realised the error of my ways and now have a nice Nexus 7 (4.2.2)
*** Anybody help please?, seeing that I can't post in the appropriate thread ***
Thanks
Dave
Nexus 7 toolkit auto update v4.3.4
NinjaMogglet said:
Hello,
I have been following a thread in the Developer section, I'm unable to post there.
I could not find an answer?
I want to find out if there will be an issue using the NEXUS 7 TOOLKIT AUTO UPDATE V4.3.4 (SkipSoft.net)
I already have the Android SDK installed, a long story whilst playing about with a cheap Chinese Tablet :crying:
I realised the error of my ways and now have a nice Nexus 7 (4.2.2)
*** Anybody help please?, seeing that I can't post in the appropriate thread ***
Thanks
Dave
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Can anybody help please?,
No problems should arise. Though I don't quite understand your question. Is this right: You want to update/install a toolkit, but you have the Android SDK installed? If that's what you are asking then no, there will be no problems.
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Logan_M said:
No problems should arise. Though I don't quite understand your question. Is this right: You want to update/install a toolkit, but you have the Android SDK installed? If that's what you are asking then no, there will be no problems.
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Hi,
Sorry this is quite new to me.
Yes, I had installed the official Android SDK whilst playing/experimenting with a cheap tablet.
Now I have a Nexus 7, and it is recognised by my WinXP PC alraedy.
I want to unlock & root and found the thread in the developers section, but I'm unable to post there.
I wanted to ensure that I would not encounter problems/conflicts if I installed and used the Nexus 7 toolkit auto update v4.3.4 Tool on the same PC.
Hope this makes sense?
Thanks
NinjaMogglet said:
Hi,
Sorry this is quite new to me.
Yes, I had installed the official Android SDK whilst playing/experimenting with a cheap tablet.
Now I have a Nexus 7, and it is recognised by my WinXP PC alraedy.
I want to unlock & root and found the thread in the developers section, but I'm unable to post there.
I wanted to ensure that I would not encounter problems/conflicts if I installed and used the Nexus 7 toolkit auto update v4.3.4 Tool on the same PC.
Hope this makes sense?
Thanks
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You already have the SDK, that means you don't need a toolkit....
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
Pirateghost said:
You already have the SDK, that means you don't need a toolkit....
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
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Unfortunately having the SDK does not mean I can actually use it
I got in over my head, hence trying to learn/read about it it on XDA
I found the thread that appeared to offer what I want,
a toolkit that I should be able to use to unlock/root with.
Thanks
But of you have the SDK and the drivers installed you don't need toolkit
Its like 3 commands
you dont have to know how to use the entire SDK, all you need to do is be able to follow directions. every nexus is rooted the exact same way. the only thing the toolkit does is hide the commands. you could take the few minutes to learn these commands
fastboot oem unlock
fastboot flash recovery nameofrecoveryfile.img
reboot to recovery
adb push SuperSU.zip /sdcard/ (or /data/media, whatever)
flash supersu.zip with your custom recovery....
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
Pirateghost said:
You already have the SDK, that means you don't need a toolkit....
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
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Pirateghost said:
But of you have the SDK and the drivers installed you don't need toolkit
Its like 3 commands
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
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Thanks...
It was the commands I had problems with on my last attempts
I got confused over ADB mode, Fastboot mode ??
I was not sure if they are device specific, given the Toolkits appear to be ??
I just don't want to brick my Nexus
Hence the thought of getting something(Toolkit) that I can just select options, hides the complexity.
Also
The toolkit looked like I could Backup all my Apps/Data, then unlock/root, and then do a Restore.
Thanks
NinjaMogglet said:
Thanks...
It was the commands I had problems with on my last attempts
I got confused over ADB mode, Fastboot mode ??
I was not sure if they are device specific, given the Toolkits appear to be ??
I just don't want to brick my Nexus
Hence the thought of getting something(Toolkit) that I can just select options, hides the complexity.
Also
The toolkit looked like I could Backup all my Apps/Data, then unlock/root, and then do a Restore.
Thanks
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there are many guides and tutorials on all of these points.
here's the problem with toolkits:
THEY HIDE EVERYTHING FROM YOU
sure, more than likely you will be quite successful in merely rooting and unlocking your device with one....
then there is a pretty high certainty that you will begin experimenting with mods/roms/kernels/etc
at some point during your experimentation you will come across a 'soft-brick' or a bootloop, where all you see is either the google screen or the boot animation looping over and over. how do you get out of that situation? the toolkit didnt show you how, you plug in your trusty toolkit, only to find it doesnt see the device.... PANIC MODE ON!!....great. now you are going to come to XDA and make a damn thread about how you just 'bricked' your device and the world is ending....then you get told how to fix it albeit with some frustrations and complications....the right way, with fastboot and adb
or
you could just learn the damn thing and understand what it is you are doing to your device....then there would never be a situation you could not get out of using fastboot and adb.....
it really isnt complicated, and people around here are just Friggin lazy...its ridiculous.
XDA used to mean something, now its just a pisspot of people wanting their devices to be cool, without wanting to learn anything.
All Understould
Pirateghost said:
there are many guides and tutorials on all of these points.
here's the problem with toolkits:
THEY HIDE EVERYTHING FROM YOU
sure, more than likely you will be quite successful in merely rooting and unlocking your device with one....
then there is a pretty high certainty that you will begin experimenting with mods/roms/kernels/etc
at some point during your experimentation you will come across a 'soft-brick' or a bootloop, where all you see is either the google screen or the boot animation looping over and over. how do you get out of that situation? the toolkit didnt show you how, you plug in your trusty toolkit, only to find it doesnt see the device.... PANIC MODE ON!!....great. now you are going to come to XDA and make a damn thread about how you just 'bricked' your device and the world is ending....then you get told how to fix it albeit with some frustrations and complications....the right way, with fastboot and adb
or
you could just learn the damn thing and understand what it is you are doing to your device....then there would never be a situation you could not get out of using fastboot and adb.....
it really isnt complicated, and people around here are just Friggin lazy...its ridiculous.
XDA used to mean something, now its just a pisspot of people wanting their devices to be cool, without wanting to learn anything.
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Hi,
All understould, and I couldnt agree more. The challenge, with many things now(on the Web) is finding the right information.
There are oodles, and oodles of sites with rooting information, tips and guides... etc..
I've probably watched a dozen or more "Youtube" vid's on the same subject, and they all have subtle differences..!!
I will look for "Manual" Unlocking and Rooting info for the Nexus.. and see what I find
Thanks...
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Hi,
All understould, and I couldnt agree more. The challenge, with many things now(on the Web) is finding the right information.
There are oodles, and oodles of sites with rooting information, tips and guides... etc..
I've probably watched a dozen or more "Youtube" vid's on the same subject, and they all have subtle differences..!!
I will look for "Manual" Unlocking and Rooting info for the Nexus.. and see what I find
Thanks...
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not sure why you need to go anywhere other than right here on XDA....
theres a freakin sticky for it even...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2150661
NinjaMogglet said:
Hi,
All understould, and I couldnt agree more. The challenge, with many things now(on the Web) is finding the right information.
There are oodles, and oodles of sites with rooting information, tips and guides... etc..
I've probably watched a dozen or more "Youtube" vid's on the same subject, and they all have subtle differences..!!
I will look for "Manual" Unlocking and Rooting info for the Nexus.. and see what I find
Thanks...
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NinjaMogglet has given you all the information needed!
Just go grab the required files and chuck them in your platform-tools directory, run a command prompt and navigate to the directory and then run the said commands.
Still not clear??
smt8544 said:
NinjaMogglet has given you all the information needed!
Just go grab the required files and chuck them in your platform-tools directory, run a command prompt and navigate to the directory and then run the said commands.
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I thank everybody for the comments...
I have since found other "Manual" methods, none of them are consistent
> Some use ADB commands to do certain things?
> There are references to making the "Recovery Stick", with some mnt, mv commands in ADB/FASTBOOT, it's not clear?
> There is reference to being in the right mode USB Debug Mode, PTP & MTP, but which?
> Install a Busy Box?
> and and ...
Whilst it maybe second nature to some of you folks, to me(others?) it a Black Art at the moment
I will do it, I just don't want to get part way in, and have a problem.
Thanks
NinjaMogglet said:
I thank everybody for the comments...
I have since found other "Manual" methods, none of them are consistent
> Some use ADB commands to do certain things?
> There are references to making the "Recovery Stick", with some mnt, mv commands in ADB/FASTBOOT, it's not clear?
> There is reference to being in the right mode USB Debug Mode, PTP & MTP, but which?
> Install a Busy Box?
> and and ...
Whilst it maybe second nature to some of you folks, to me(others?) it a Black Art at the moment
I will do it, I just don't want to get part way in, and have a problem.
Thanks
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my previous post literally linked you to the ONLY thing you need....why did you ignore it?
its simple:
ADB can be used while in Custom Recovery or while booted into Android with USB debugging enabled.
Fastboot is used ONLY in fastboot mode
settings within the Android OS dont mean a damn thing in recovery or fastboot....which means it doesnt matter what USB mode you are in, or if debugging is enabled, as long as you are doing things from recovery or fastboot
every nexus device roots and unlocks in the same exact manner. the only difference would be that you need to use a recovery made SPECIFICALLY for that device...thats it
FOLLOW THE GUIDE THAT I ALREADY LINKED YOU TO....it tells you everything you need to do
Thanks
Pirateghost said:
my previous post literally linked you to the ONLY thing you need....why did you ignore it?
its simple:
ADB can be used while in Custom Recovery or while booted into Android with USB debugging enabled.
Fastboot is used ONLY in fastboot mode
settings within the Android OS dont mean a damn thing in recovery or fastboot....which means it doesnt matter what USB mode you are in, or if debugging is enabled, as long as you are doing things from recovery or fastboot
every nexus device roots and unlocks in the same exact manner. the only difference would be that you need to use a recovery made SPECIFICALLY for that device...thats it
FOLLOW THE GUIDE THAT I ALREADY LINKED YOU TO....it tells you everything you need to do
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Thanks...
I did not ignore your link, I read all the pages.
Especially the one's that pointed out the ommisions, like un-lock first, and some of the key presses.
I will get back to this when I'm bright eyed, not 01:25 in the morning.... Just in case.
Thanks again
Got my new nexus 6 today
updated to android 5.1.1
am from touchwiz most of my life
any apps i sud be using
and how to root this thing?
i mostly used odin all my life guess no use of that here anymore
so any guidance is highly appreciated....
advance thanks
MD0038 said:
Got my new nexus 6 today
updated to android 5.1.1
am from touchwiz most of my life
any apps i sud be using
and how to root this thing?
i mostly used odin all my life guess no use of that here anymore
so any guidance is highly appreciated....
advance thanks
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http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/ and download the tool. The tool can be used to root the nexus 6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2948481
Face_Plant said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2948481
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will go through thee whole thing and understand if not hope you al help me a bit
XxCyberHackerxX said:
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/ and download the tool. The tool can be used to root the nexus 6
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ok, or you can root your device the right way, within 3-4 minutes. where is the guidance in using a tool kit? considering you learn absolutely zero from it, and toolkits occasionally mess things up as well.
simms22 said:
ok, or you can root your device the right way, within 3-4 minutes. where is the guidance in using a tool kit? cinsidering you learn absolutely zero from it, and toolkits occasionally mess things up as well.
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Very true. But he indicated he was a novice so the toolkit would guide him through the process
XxCyberHackerxX said:
Very true. But he indicated he was a novice so the toolkit would guide him through the process
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Toolkit is good but i want to learn all things
XxCyberHackerxX said:
Very true. But he indicated he was a novice so the toolkit would guide him through the process
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tool kits are not for novices, at all. they do not guide you through anything. toolkits are fine to use, when you know whats going on. but when you dont, you arent taught a single thing.
XxCyberHackerxX said:
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/ and download the tool. The tool can be used to root the nexus 6
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DO NOT use the toolkit till unlocked and know how to use manual fastboot. Will not know why toolkit failed and will not know how to recover as it will take fastboot to recover. I did Odin also. It was a dependable tool. Fastboot is the old tried and true Nexus, HTC tool. Virtually unbrickable. The toolkit can brick you and will require fastboot knowledge to fix. Fastboot update only takes 2-3 minutes once set up and know what you are doing.
Just to echo what everyone else is saying, toolkits are great but only use them if you understand what they're doing. Using fastboot the first time.round is essential for learning.
All.threads are in nexus 6 general > sticky roll-up
Including my adb and fastboot thread,. Which is good for noobs.
HaHaa. I actually had more problems and failed flashes with Odin and "the toolkit". Never had a fail with fastboot.
Toolkits.... Not. Do it manually with all the proven guides posted!
MD0038 said:
and how to root this thing?
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There are already advices given by real experts.
I humble add some " why's " not to start rooting for the first time with a toolkit.
A. There are so many options; it easy to make a mistake.
B. Toolkits use scripts and once started you are not fast enough to stop the process when you do something wrong.
C. When you know how to use command lines
with adb and fastboot, you will be prepared for toolkits.
D. You will find here complete rooting guidelines in sticky threads. Read them.
Nice rooting!
Thanks everyone for overwhelming support read half of the thread will do rest of the work tomorrow some assignments to do
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I just received my Nexus 6 that I bought from Best Buy yesterday and have got it activated today.
I really want to root and try flashing my first rom. I have been reading thread after thread trying to learn and understand what it takes to root a Nexus 6, flash a rom, and what the proper way to do it is. Spent at least 5 hours reading threads and I have been so confused as to what to do.
First, I have read that you should do the ADB way to unlock, root, flash etc. (Nexus 6 all in one Beginners Guide) because using a toolkit will make flashing roms more trouble than its worth.
Next, I have read repeatedly that the method used when the Nexus 6 first came out is still a valid and perfectly fine way to unlock, root, flash, etc , but then I have found in another thread that in order to root it you will need to flash a custom kernal of some sort so i'm unsure what I need to do.
The Nexus 6 All-in-One Beginners Guide seems pretty straightforward and easy, however this is my first time flashing anything and rooting a Nexus device so i'm unsure what I should trust.
Thanks in advance for anyone willing to help give this newbie some advice.
Any help is appreciated, I am just frustrated with trying to find a current method of unlocking, rooting, flashing, etc because nearly every thread I have read is dated back to when the device first came out and I usually am able to learn visually very easily but many videos for the N6 on youtube are from when the N6 came out, dating back 6-9 months ago.
So again, any help would be greatly appreciated because I am getting a bit frustrated with sorting out all the information and learning what I can trust so I don't damage my phone beyond repair.
Thank you again for reading and giving advice if you choose to and I apologize if this sounded like a rant. I just really need some help understanding what to do. Thank you.
If anyone is able to clear up my confusion on the issues I brought up, thank you.
1. Use Wugs to unlock and root
(Sure knowing how to adb is important, but just do that)
2. Wugs will install a custom recovery - you flash roms in said recovery.
3. Apps I recommend you get after obtaining root:
(Some paid, some free)
SuperSU Pro (paid)
Buaybox Pro (paid)
Root Explorer (paid)
Titanium Backup (paid/free)
Then you'll have a pretty good start at supporting the devs, while having a good file/folder control app, and a way to protect yourself against data loss - with a simple way of reverting back to a previous build should you dislike a rom.
Keep reading. You're off to a gold start but I learn more and more every day. Never underestimate the value of reading everything prior to flashing/modifying it just might save you a headache when your phone inevitably bootloops for a silly reason.
iRub1Out said:
1. Use Wugs to unlock and root
(Sure knowing how to adb is important, but just do that)
2. Wugs will install a custom recovery - you flash roms in said recovery.
3. Apps I recommend you get after obtaining root:
(Some paid, some free)
SuperSU Pro (paid)
Buaybox Pro (paid)
Root Explorer (paid)
Titanium Backup (paid/free)
Then you'll have a pretty good start at supporting the devs, while having a good file/folder control app, and a way to protect yourself against data loss - with a simple way of reverting back to a previous build should you dislike a rom.
Keep reading. You're off to a gold start but I learn more and more every day. Never underestimate the value of reading everything prior to flashing/modifying it just might save you a headache when your phone inevitably bootloops for a silly reason.
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Thank you for your advice. May I ask the difference of doing it with a Toolkit rather than the ADB way ? It just seems that one is easier than the other.
May I ask the pros and cons of doing it the Toolkit way and the ADB way ?
Iandrew124 said:
Thank you for your advice. May I ask the difference of doing it with a Toolkit rather than the ADB way ? It just seems that one is easier than the other.
May I ask the pros and cons of doing it the Toolkit way and the ADB way ?
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The adb way teaches you how to do it at the base level - this method would allow you to pull files/folders without the phone booting, or flash individual partitions without having to flash a whole image - there's a LOT of reasons to know and understand adb, and you eventually should, as it could save your phone when all else fails.... It has its benefits, but for simplicity's sake - for now - just use Wugs.
Using toolkits in effect gives you a crutch. With this crutch you then are forced to depend on this crutch for future needs. What happens when you get a update or different phone that Wugs doesn't work with or do what you need to do? THATS where adb understanding would come in handy.
I NEVER recommend people use toolkits exclusively as this can and WILL eventually lead to major issues that the user is now at step 1 of the learning process all over again - or - are forced to wait for toolkits to be made to do something as simple as obtain root. That's annoying.
In this case, I hope you will make yourself more familiar with adb when you can, use it, try it out, understand what it does and what it's for - but just to get you up and running you can use the kit, just don't expect it to be that easy every time because, I promise you, it won't be and at some point adb will be the only option you have. You don't want to have to be in a panic situation when that knowledge could have saved you.
That's just how I like to help people learn this stuff. Start off slow just so they can do what they want to do - but heavily stress the importance of HOW that toolkit works - because its doing what you need to learn how to do - it just does it all for you.
Don't rely on that crutch - it won't always be there.
Iandrew124 said:
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May I ask the pros and cons of doing it the Toolkit way and the ADB way ?
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Manual flashing has the advantage that you controls the 'speed of the process. Because you have to enter commands one by one.
Toolkits use scripts instead of commands. And you have a choice from many options.
You won't be fast enough to stop when using a wrong option/script.
The post of irub1out is a good method.
After point 1. wait a day and go on with reading and posting.
adb is not used in the rooting process. fastboot is used to unlock the bootloader and then flash a custom recovery.
It's a really simple process after installing fastboot.
1. fastboot oem unlock
2. fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
3. Put SuperSU flashable zip on sdcard
4. Boot into recovery and flash that zip
There really shouldn't be any need to use a toolkit and if you do it manually, you KNOW your computer is configured properly so if you need it for recovery purposes later and something is not working, you know it's not the computer that is the issue.
Use the toolkit for other things once you've done the unlock and flash manually by all means. But NEVER use the toolkit first. This is a recipe for disaster.
Although the previous posts stress the importance of learning manually, they kind of miss part of the point as to why and I bet 90% of our experienced users here will agree with me...NO SHORTCUTS FIRST TIME.
If you need more info on fastboot, there's an adb and fastboot thread in general > sticky roll-up thread.
I concur with @danarama. We spend half our time in this forum trying to fix mistakes made with toolkit.
really, if the user doesnt have the proper knowledge to make the simple choices given in the toolkit, they are not going to choose the right files to do it manually.
so it makes no difference really, other than the person gaining the knowledge to understand exactly what they are doing, which i agree with,
but regardless of what any user might claim, the toolkit doesnt make mistakes. it executes the same commands you would use manually via a script based on your choices.
there is no margin of error other than the users input.
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bweN diorD said:
really, if the user doesnt have the proper knowledge to make the simple choices given in the toolkit, they are not going to choose the right files to do it manually.
so it makes no difference really, other than the person gaining the knowledge to understand exactly what they are doing, which i agree with,
but regardless of what any user might claim, the toolkit doesnt make mistakes. it executes the same commands you would use manually via a script based on your choices.
there is no margin of error other than the users input.
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first off, toolkits DO occasionally make mistakes, it has been proven, so dont argue with that. sure, its not always, but it happens. secondly, the user choosing files.. ok, if you do it the right way, there are only two files you need. and the user doesnt have a choice to pick them. they are the twrp recovery, and supersu. the user has to go find them, not pick out of a list. and witj my time on the n6 since last November, not one person picked the wrong files to root their phones. again, its because they arent given a choice.
bweN diorD said:
it makes no difference really, other than the person gaining the knowledge to understand exactly what they are doing
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...and to ensure fastboot is Working, as I mentioned in my post. So it does make a difference.
a person gaining knowledge to understand what they are doing is by far the most important thing that can happen. thats something thatll never happen with a root toolkit.
Iv'e had several good flashes and some bad using the exact same files and same options during testing and playing. Worst button/option to even be available to noobs is the lock after flash or even a relock button at all. Remove that option and you are pretty much safe from hard brick. Then only have to come back and ask us to walk through fastboot when the flash goes belly up. Need an audit on how many times we have seen this exact scenario.
prdog1 said:
Iv'e had several good flashes and some bad using the exact same files and same options during testing and playing. Worst button/option to even be available to noobs is the lock after flash or even a relock button at all. Remove that option and you are pretty much safe from hard brick. Then only have to come back and ask us to walk through fastboot when the flash goes belly up. Need an audit on how many times we have seen this exact scenario.
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That's another good point.. When 5.1 came out and locking the bootloader after flash, if it didn't boot, it would be a brick.. Toolkits would do this after a flash and brick phones.. You have to wait until the toolkit is updated before using it safely.
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first off, toolkits DO occasionally make mistakes, it has been proven, so dont argue with that. sure, its not always, but it happens. secondly, the user choosing files.. ok, if you do it the right way, there are only two files you need. and the user doesnt have a choice to pick them. they are the twrp recovery, and supersu. the user has to go find them, not pick out of a list. and witj my time on the n6 since last November, not one person picked the wrong files to root their phones. again, its because they arent given a choice.
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i sir, will argue with whatever i wish.
in the year i maintained a toolkit for the last moto i had, 20k+ downloads, not one user accused the toolkit of flashing something it wasnt supposed to. the code is fairly simple, one option points to a command and file (simply put), etc. etc.
is it possible some one in a million error happened, doubtful but ok.
my comment was more directed at the previous poster who said something about spending 1/2 his time helping users with toolkit problems.
thats very unlikely, unless the toolkit coding is done very poorly.
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danarama said:
...and to ensure fastboot is Working, as I mentioned in my post. So it does make a difference.
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how about you quote the rest of my sentence next time, where i agreed with your logic on that.
unless your intentionally trying to start an argument? cause thats what it looks like.
bweN diorD said:
how about you quote the rest of my sentence next time, where i agreed with your logic on that.
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Because the rest of your sentence was nothing to do with what I wanted to say and you didn't agree with my logic at all. In fact your sentence (even complete) suggests that what I had said wouldn't even factor in to anything.
bweN diorD said:
unless your intentionally trying to start an argument? cause thats what it looks like.
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I'm 35 years old. I've got better things to do than try to create arguments in Internet forums. I was expanding on your sentence on something you missed. Kick yourself for the omission, not me for pointing it out.
Don't be so bloody confrontational. You're coming off as a petulant child, as does everyone who starts a sentence "how about" without trying to understand what they're talking about first.
bweN diorD said:
i sir, will argue with whatever i wish.
in the year i maintained a toolkit for the last moto i had, 20k+ downloads, not one user accused the toolkit of flashing something it wasnt supposed to. the code is fairly simple, one option points to a command and file (simply put), etc. etc.
is it possible some one in a million error happened, doubtful but ok.
my comment was more directed at the previous poster who said something about spending 1/2 his time helping users with toolkit problems.
thats very unlikely, unless the toolkit coding is done very poorly.
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if i can get someone that will make a toolkit that does what it does, and goes through every step explaining the process of what its doing and how to do it manually, id be a happy man. seriously.
danarama said:
Because the rest of your sentence was nothing to do with what I wanted to say and you didn't agree with my logic at all. In fact your sentence (even complete) suggests that what I had said wouldn't even factor in to anything.
I'm 35 years old. I've got better things to do than try to create arguments in Internet forums. I was expanding on your sentence on something you missed. Kick yourself for the omission, not me for pointing it out.
Don't be so bloody confrontational. You're coming off as a petulant child, as does everyone who starts a sentence "how about" without trying to understand what they're talking about first.
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funny, it looks like i am agreeing with the manual logic...
other than the person gaining the knowledge to understand exactly what they are doing, which i agree with,
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simms22 said:
if i can get someone that will make a toolkit that does what it does, and goes through every step explaining the process of what its doing and how to do it manually, id be a happy man. seriously.
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I honestly considered making that in the past.
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funny, it looks like i am agreeing with the manual logic...
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That's not what we're talking about. I never said you didn't agree with the "manual logic"
Please re-read my post. I think you've misunderstood what I said. Let me know if you'd like me to explain what were talking about afterwards if you still dont understand
Tbh, not using toolkits comes down to this:
Its the easiest ****ing thing ever to do with out one. If you need one, you have a major gap in your understanding... And you need to fix that first. Well you don't "need" to unfortunately, but acquiring root access is taking over being the admin for your device. If you are choosing to do that, you should probably understand the basic tools.
I am in approximately the same position as the OP with a brand new Nexus 6 and I have a question. Should I take any OTA updates that are available before starting the unlock bootloader and rooting process?
I want to root my Nexus 6 running stock android 6.0.0 but not sure exactly how to do it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
dbzturtle said:
I want to root my Nexus 6 running stock android 6.0.0 but not sure exactly how to do it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Chainfire just released a new root for mm, http://www.xda-developers.com/chainfire-releases-root-for-android-6-0-without-modifying-system/
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blueyes said:
Chainfire just released a new root for mm, http://www.xda-developers.com/chainfire-releases-root-for-android-6-0-without-modifying-system/
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It says that it's experimental and will likely have bugs. is there a stable way to root? If not I don't mind waiting until there is.
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It says that it's experimental and will likely have bugs. is there a stable way to root? If not I don't mind waiting until there is.
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Fastboot flash twrp, and then flash 2.52superuser.sip in recovery. Look up wugfresh Nexus root toolkit, it'll explain the process.
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I rooted my N6 on Android 6.0 with 2.52 weeks ago and it's absolutely fine - I've seen no problems at all. The "experimental" mention is a disclaimer to cover Chainfire in case you have problems - a very sensible warning in my opinion, but in this case you can probably ignore it.
And I agree with blueyes - Nexus Root Toolkit is pretty much idiot-proof as long as you read the instructions and in particular choose the correct ROM.
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I rooted my N6 on Android 6.0 with 2.52 weeks ago and it's absolutely fine - I've seen no problems at all. The "experimental" mention is a disclaimer to cover Chainfire in case you have problems - a very sensible warning in my opinion, but in this case you can probably ignore it.
And I agree with blueyes - Nexus Root Toolkit is pretty much idiot-proof as long as you read the instructions and in particular choose the correct ROM.
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The problem with using toolkits when they are "idiot-proof" is that if you go into the process as an idiot, you leave the process still an idiot, so if something goes wrong with the device at a later date, the user has not got the skills to fix it, which becomes a problem on these forums as rather than telling someone how to fix it, we also have to teach the skills that should already have been learned.
Toolkits are great if you know what they're doing but if you dont, use fastboot the first time to get an understanding of it and also to ensure you know it is working on your computer correctly. It's easier to troubleshoot PC configurations when the device is fully working rather than waiting until it is "broken"
"you leave the process still an idiot"
I'll take that in the spirit I think you meant it...
Sure, point taken, but the problem with telling someone to start learning to use tools they don't understand is that this forum ends up with a flood of "I've bricked my device" posts. I agree that the manual way is useful for resolving problems, and I don't use NRT for everything - I'd say maybe 50% of the time for installing a brand new factory ROM, and the rest of the time using ADB/Fastboot for stuff I (think I) understand.
I just think that if someone has taken the time and trouble to give me the commands typed perfectly in the correct order and proven to work, why would I risk typing them in maybe in the wrong order or accidentally installing an image into the wrong partition? My own stupid fault, sure, but why take the long way round instead of the simple straight proven path?
Just sayin'...
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"you leave the process still an idiot"
I'll take that in the spirit I think you meant it...
Sure, point taken, but the problem with telling someone to start learning to use tools they don't understand is that this forum ends up with a flood of "I've bricked my device" posts. I agree that the manual way is useful for resolving problems, and I don't use NRT for everything - I'd say maybe 50% of the time for installing a brand new factory ROM, and the rest of the time using ADB/Fastboot for stuff I (think I) understand.
I just think that if someone has taken the time and trouble to give me the commands typed perfectly in the correct order and proven to work, why would I risk typing them in maybe in the wrong order or accidentally installing an image into the wrong partition? My own stupid fault, sure, but why take the long way round instead of the simple straight proven path?
Just sayin'...
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It's not really the long way round. Once everything is installed, its as quick if not quicker. And as I said, you need all this installed for ongoing maintenance anyway so may as well do this whilst your device is working.
You can't brick your device by flashing to the wrong partition so there are no floods of posts from people doing things manually at all. .if you flash to the wrong partition,.just flash to the right partition. It's not rocket science either. If you flash a radio, flash it to the radio partition. If you flash system, flash it to the system partition. ...and if you type something wrong, it won't do anything at all.
Fastboot is well documented (by me and others) in the general forum. People should feel free to nude toolkits once they have learned it, but noobs should definitely learn it and use it the first time for the reasons I have already mentioned.
To root is so simple.
1. In fastboot, use
"fastboot oem unlock"
2. In fastboot, flash a custom twrp recovery image
"fastboot flash recovery twrp.img "
3. If marshamallow, flash a custom boot.img to allow it to be rooted
"fastboot flash boot boot.img"
4. Copy SuperSU to sdcard
5. Flash SuperSU zip from recovery
Once these steps have been carried out, you've used fastboot, know how it works and also have proof your computer has working fastboot. That ticks essential boxes.that every root user needs to have ticked. Once they're ticked, use toolkits to your hearts desire.
The worst thing about noobs using toolkits is when we need them to use fastboot when helping with their issues, they don't know what it is and we have to teach them that. We also need to troubleshoot setting it up which can be extremely hard if their device is bricked or in a state of needing repair. 10 minutes learning now can help prevent hours of wasting our time later. Surely it's only being courteous to learn these things ?
Where can I find a custom boot image ? I'm asking because I'm rooted but every time I try to go into recovery it ask me for a password
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Where can I find a custom boot image ? I'm asking because I'm rooted but every time I try to go into recovery it ask me for a password
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If you're encrypted, recovery will always ask you for a password. If you've set a password in android, you use that..if you have not set a password in android, you use the default twrp password.
I am an Android Noob! My first Android devices were the Nexus Player and the Nexus 6. (I came from iPhones and Apple TV) It did not take me long at all to learn how to use fastboot and adb. I manually flashed my Nexus 6 and Nexus Player to 6.0 before the OTAs were rolling out no problem. I have root on both of my devices.
My point is, if I can learn how to do this in a matter of a day (I have not had my Nexus 6 a full month yet) You can learn how to do it as well. There are tons of guides out there on how to do all of this. Google is your friend. You will feel awesome and have a sense of accomplishment if you take the time to learn this stuff. It is easy to learn, not hard at all! I come from a pretty extensive tech background so I was a step ahead, but anyone can do / learn this stuff.
There are toolkits that can do this stuff for you pretty much. I have not downloaded or used one myself. I don't trust someone else's code with my device. That's just me though. I like to feel in control when I flash stuff.
@danarama
"Surely it's only being courteous to learn these things ?"
I know that it's all too easy to be taken wrong when writing a post, so I'll say up front that I'm serious - thanks for posting those steps. I've watched the NRT run through its steps a number of times and it clearly does a lot more than this, which is why i'm glad that it's doing the typing for me
I have used your steps when flashing various things, I've just never used them for a ROM upgrade - except once when I was trying to recover a broken-radio N5 and was installing Chroma.
One value at least of the NRT for noobs is its help in setting up your PC's drivers - that alone is a good reason to look at it.
Just for interest, what would happen if I flashed recovery into the radio partition? Or the boot partition?
Seriously, thanks for these steps - I appreciate it.
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@danarama
"Surely it's only being courteous to learn these things ?"
I know that it's all too easy to be taken wrong when writing a post, so I'll say up front that I'm serious - thanks for posting those steps. I've watched the NRT run through its steps a number of times and it clearly does a lot more than this, which is why i'm glad that it's doing the typing for me
I have used your steps when flashing various things, I've just never used them for a ROM upgrade - except once when I was trying to recover a broken-radio N5 and was installing Chroma.
One value at least of the NRT for noobs is its help in setting up your PC's drivers - that alone is a good reason to look at it.
Just for interest, what would happen if I flashed recovery into the radio partition? Or the boot partition?
Seriously, thanks for these steps - I appreciate it.
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Radio may boot but won't connect to a network.
Boot is the kernel so it won't boot without it (bootloop)
Both can be fixed by flashing the correct image to the correct partition.
The images in the factory image are appropriately labelled too, so it would be difficult to flash to the wrong partition without realizing it was wrong.. Eg
"fastboot flash radio boot.img" looks wrong when you have radio.img too.
Thanks, danarama. I suppose that's the point I was trying to make at the top - that if you're a bit of a thicko then you could flash to the wrong partition, which a predefined script won't. As long as it's recoverable, no problem, but I remember the pumping heart and breathlessness as I watched my devices on several occasions sitting with the boot animation for 10-15 minutes and thinking "What the hell do I do now?"
I know I'm hijacking this thread (sorry...) but is there anything you can think of that would definitely hard-brick my device if I'm being thick or careless? I've never managed it, and maybe as Android progresses it's becoming harder to hard-brick, but is there ever a time when I need to think "There's no way back from this one"?
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If you're encrypted, recovery will always ask you for a password. If you've set a password in android, you use that..if you have not set a password in android, you use the default twrp password.
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Thank for the heads up really appreciate that. BTW what is the default password for twrp
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Thank for the heads up really appreciate that. BTW what is the default password for twrp
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Not sure, Im not encrypted. But its documented somewhere by twrp dev. Maybe on their site or in their thread
Anyone can tell me easiest way to flash stock image to Nexus 6 I am not very experienced with fast boot and Adb stuffs. Now my phone is getting "this device is corrupted...." Please help..
Btw I am on stock ROM + twrp recovery
The easy way is simply learning how to flash images through fastboot, using the command "fastboot flash [partition] [image.img]". The lazy way is through using a toolkit like Wugfresh.
use Nexus Root Toolkit , with one click you can do so much
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use Nexus Root Toolkit , with one click you can do so much
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This is the single most dangerous thing you can suggest to someone new. Things like this are not really meant for new users. More for the ones that know what they are doing but are in a pinch for time.
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This is the single most dangerous thing you can suggest to someone new. Things like this are not really meant for new users. More for the ones that know what they are doing but are in a pinch for time.
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i dont agree with you , there is guide for use this tool also how its dangerous to select the tgz file and flash all thing with one click for you in the same time
for me its more dangerous to use adb command , and for that reason is the developers create this tool to make it easy for us
plus you have a lot of options when you are brick or in normal mode
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i dont agree with you , there is guide for use this tool also how its dangerous to select the tgz file and flash all thing with one click for you in the same time
for me its more dangerous to use adb command , and for that reason is the developers create this tool to make it easy for us
plus you have a lot of options when you are brick or in normal mode
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And when something goes wrong you come right back here asking for help. And when you tell people you used a one click method you find almost no help. If you don't know what you are doing with command lines then you really shouldn't be messing with your device.
There are very real risks. Even when using things like this.
@AJDA: On another thread a senior member asked me, incredulously, why I didn't push a toolkit. My answer was rather simple: the user needs to know how to use fastboot, as his next device may not have a toolkit available. On top of that, using fastboot is so easy the toolkits are ridiculous. Thus you have the easy way with fastboot and the lazy way with a toolkit.
For the record, the person asking for help in the first place on that other thread successfully used fastboot to restore his device. He learned something in the process and no longer needs a toolkit to do what everyone lately seems unable to accomplish without outside help.
The easy way is to use Wug's tool kit witch I highly recommended. However after you get you're phone back to normal you should really learn the fastboot method. It has saved my device's more time's than I can count,and is way more rewarding knowing you can do it yourself?
i have tried wugfresh toolkit to root yes it easy. but i tried restoring to stock image i keep failing & getting that error all over again and again, i tried 3x on the toolkit i cant get it to work. please help
And @zelendel's point is proven.
OP, search in general for the Nexus 6 all in one flashing guide and start reading.
Why when I flash TWRP or multirom I get that error?