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I appreciate that this is OT but I think that the more we hear about the iPhone the happier we will be with WM6. The latest news is that it will open Word and Excel attachments! More. OMG!!!!

We can all appreciate an off-topic post. Just be sure to always post in the appropriate forum. Thanks!

I would seriously buy the iPhone if I had the money and lived in the US.
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TaurusBullba said:
We can all appreciate an off-topic post. Just be sure to always post in the appropriate forum. Thanks!
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HAHAHAHA -- your avatar, man. I wonder if there are even 4 people on this entire forum who know what it's from.
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bobbyelliott said:
I appreciate that this is OT but I think that the more we hear about the iPhone the happier we will be with WM6. The latest news is that it will open Word and Excel attachments! More. OMG!!!!
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I would be ecstatically happy with WM6 if someone would just come up with a fingertip interface for it that was consistent.
What there needs to be is a new line of WM6 (or WM7, I guess) that supports the current pen-oriented UI as well as a new, sensible touch-oriented UI. I got really excited about the iPhone when I heard about it, as I am a Mac user, but then became profoundly disappointed when I found out that there would be no SDK. As WM developers, we can write just about anything we want for our phones, but iPhone users are restricted to only what Steve Jobs thinks they should be allowed to do. It's incredibly frustrating.

shogunmark said:
that was around me era of being a kid... im a bit suspicious that mike knows what its from considering his a really really really old guy
oh... and BOO iphone... piece of junk... thats my .02
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thats ok.. if he wants to waste $600 USD on a 3 maybe 4 year old technology then thats his choice shogunmark
just because it has a pretty screen doesnt put it even close up against the Hermes, Trinity etc...

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walshieau said:
thats ok.. if he wants to waste $600 USD on a 3 maybe 4 year old technology then thats his choice shogunmark
just because it has a pretty screen doesnt put it even close up against the Hermes, Trinity etc...
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The HTC Smartphones are hardly cutting edge. 624MHz Xscale? Helloooo, 2004.
We use good products with HTC. The iPhone will be good for a lot of people too; it's not the age of technology, but how it is implemented that counts. I bet the iPhone's camera isn't laggy like the one on my Athena, and it crashes less than my Universal, and doesn't have call/end buttons right under where your fingers are.
There's more to a successful product than just "technology". iPhone isn't for me, I want power and can live with the glitches of WM and HTC devices. There's room in the market for iPhones and Smartphones, and Apple will have done a good job with the user interface and overall usability of the device.

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The HTC Smartphones are hardly cutting edge. 624MHz Xscale? Helloooo, 2004.
We use good products with HTC. The iPhone will be good for a lot of people too; it's not the age of technology, but how it is implemented that counts. I bet the iPhone's camera isn't laggy like the one on my Athena, and it crashes less than my Universal, and doesn't have call/end buttons right under where your fingers are.
There's more to a successful product than just "technology". iPhone isn't for me, I want power and can live with the glitches of WM and HTC devices. There's room in the market for iPhones and Smartphones, and Apple will have done a good job with the user interface and overall usability of the device.
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The difference between a WM device and the iPhone is that you can do pretty much whatever you want with a WM device. With the iPhone you are restricted to what Steve tells you you want.
I have a feeling it's going to stay this way, too. Look at the iPod. Years later the best thing you can do with it is buy games from iTunes.
I hope I'm wrong.

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Look at the iPod. Years later the best thing you can do with it is buy games from iTunes.
I hope I'm wrong.
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You are.
I mean, just above, you are.
It's an iPod. A portable music player. The best thing you can do with it is play music; which it does very well. Better than any Creative or Sandisk devices I've used, better than every alternative I've tried. The iPod + iTunes combination works a LOT better for organising and accessing your music. I don't care if you can't make it make the tea and access GPS whilst it repairs your car. It is exceptionally good at what it is supposed to do.
Of course, bashing the iPod, or slagging off the as yet unreleased iPhone, is really cool and against the grain. Really helps to understand what you're being negative about, though.
See, I don't think the tech matters one bit, either to the fans or detractors.
The fans expect the iPhone to work brilliantly at being a phone and music player.
The detractors wouldn't care if it had 3.5G, 80GB and cost $5. They just don't like - for whatever reason - seeing Apple (and to be fair, pretty much anyone) be a success.
Go figure. I use and advocate WM devices. I use and advocate iPod. I use Macs and have done for 23 years. I also use Windows, and was quite a fan of Windows 2000 when it came out (and before OS X showed up).
Best tool for the job. Don't care WHO makes it. Apple make some very good stuff, which is why they have a loyal folllowing. Yes, people will buy iPhone because of he hype, but I bet it turns out to be a well designed, functional phone. It'll also be vastly more interesting when it becomes iPhone version 3.

Its not windows users that started the bad mouthing. When Jobs says the open platform of windows is unstable and could bring a network down he is starting it. WM is not unstable. I use it constantly with no problems. There is no way to bring down a phone network with a WM device. The network just plain will not let bad info through. I have tried to mess with everything possible on a wm device connecting to a phone network and it is just not possible to adversely effect it.
People who claim that wm is unstable are the same people installing home made apps of sites like this or downloading cracked software from bittorrent. I have no problem with those things but you get what you pay for.
I also must be heavily anti iphone because I am a developer. Jobs has refused developers access to the iphone. Remember that apple was the company that made developers pay for the privilege to program for the original pda, the Newton. Microsoft let us do it for nothing. Apple is anti me.
I hope the iphone is a failure and it sinks apple or they choose to open it, either way is ok with me.
Your argument about the ipod is less than convincing. This is a world of convergence - life made easier by having everything in one place. If I go by your rational I will need to go back to the days of carrying a separate phone, pda and gps. Apple know that the days of single use devices are comming to an end or they would not be taking this gamble. Its also probably the reason no further development in new video ipods has been seen.

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Its not windows users that started the bad mouthing. When Jobs says the open platform of windows is unstable and could bring a network down he is starting it.
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What is this, Kindergarten? "He started it!". WM as an open platform IS unstable. Look at the amount of trouble people have with it. Look at the number of newbie posts on here saying they've messed up their handsets. It all depends on your value of "stable".
MS/HTC has absolutely no control over what people put on their handsets. It's great. I love it. I also regularly try apps which utterly break the handset, sometimes ones which SHOULD work, because of the variations in the hardware.
"Could bring a network down" - without context, I can neither agree nor disagree. Supporting the newbies with buggy software, sure. Technology wise? Bollocks. WM devices may be variable "phones", but they do work most of the time.
WM is not unstable. I use it constantly with no problems. There is no way to bring down a phone network with a WM device. The network just plain will not let bad info through. I have tried to mess with everything possible on a wm device connecting to a phone network and it is just not possible to adversely effect it.
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In that context I agree with you.
People who claim that wm is unstable are the same people installing home made apps of sites like this or downloading cracked software from bittorrent. I have no problem with those things but you get what you pay for.
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Or buying CorePlayer and finding it doesn't work correctly, or buying games from the online Handago store and finding they don't handle screen rotation correctly, or buying MS Voice Commander and finding it doesn't correctly replace the phone's own voice tagging applications...
Third party software doesn't have to be "dodgy" to break the handset. Cracked copies of software are frequently fine, likewise, legitimate software can be buggy. It's the fact that the range and variety of devices makes destructive testing near impossible.
Ever used a Palm? Even though the Palm's original OS was small and almost "single platform", I had to reset my Tungsten C constantly, and the Vx I had before that. Inevitably due to third party apps.
Now. I personally WANT the apps. I don't mind rebooting my phone, or having to uninstall something, or make two copies because TomTom can't see voices on the SD card but is slow on Microdrive. I don't mind this, I'm fairly used to it, I like to experiment.
Do I think it's a good user experience. HELL no.
I also must be heavily anti iphone because I am a developer. Jobs has refused developers access to the iphone. Remember that apple was the company that made developers pay for the privilege to program for the original pda, the Newton. Microsoft let us do it for nothing. Apple is anti me.
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Newton failed. And I can hardly call Visual Studio and the CE development kits "free". Trial versions exist, but in a time-limited form.
I hope the iphone is a failure and it sinks apple or they choose to open it, either way is ok with me.
Your argument about the ipod is less than convincing. This is a world of convergence - life made easier by having everything in one place.
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Fine. Make me an Ameo which works reliably, has phone-like battery life, an 80GB HD so it has the capacity of my iPod, is small enough to clip on my shirt like a shuffle, has a 5" screen for watching movies on...
Convergence makes sense to a degree. Devices which do it all are compromised. iPod is an EXCELLENT music player and organiser. I don't want it to be anything else. I don't like the way WM handles files on the Ameo, or any of the alternatives; iTunes is very good at what it does. If my Ameo worked with iTunes - iTunes for Pocket PC, with sync from my desktop library - then I'd perhaps be happier with it. But basically no convergence device does everything well.
Apple will get phone calling and WiFi right. Missing out 3G is stupid and short sighted for a web-phone. But the user interface and build quality will be very suited for the real world applications of the device.
If I go by your rational I will need to go back to the days of carrying a separate phone, pda and gps. Apple know that the days of single use devices are comming to an end or they would not be taking this gamble. Its also probably the reason no further development in new video ipods has been seen.
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Two devices together works well for me. I personally like to see music separate - give me phone/PDA with GPS functions, or GPS/Music together. Phone and PDA functions blur anyway. PDA=contacts, appointments - big ol' Filofax. It's natural to link these.
As for third-party apps on the iPhone, I'm ambivalent. If Apple get it right, it won't need any to speak of. The technology isn't interesting enough to push. I'm more interested in what appears - to all intents and purposes - to be OS X on an ARM device.
An OS X PDA would kick arse, IMO. But then you WOULD need third party apps. OS X on Ameo-like hardware? Bring it on.
About that $950 iPhone. You didn't accept or decline my wager. Chicken? Not so confident that the $950 price is correct?

I've been a Windows developer since 1999 - so I hate Apple (bad developer support, proprietary, apart from osx..) and I will naturally hate the iphone. However the iphone is good for the whole mobiles scene. Shakes it up a bit. All the stuff is gimmicky and fairly useless (examples 1. flipping through 100 albums with your fingers? 2. Drag to unlock that needs two hands, 3. the icons on the today screen showing "you have 2 appointments" ..errr.. when? The screen that will obviously break at the slightest contact with the ground - too close to the edge). The list is really endless. The thing I love best is the keyboard they show to type text messages with - its far too small to use with fingers!! Get a stylus dudes!
iphone is a device for current macintosh customers. In which case they'll sell quite a few! I'm looking forward to seeing one in the flesh and slagging it off, as any self-respecting apple-hater should do!

jellyme said:
I've been a Windows developer since 1999 - so I hate Apple (bad developer support, proprietary, apart from osx..)
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Rapidly increasing market share, opinion formed in 1999 based on Diesel's legacy of frankly outmoded hardware and an operating system that made Windows ME look stable, proprietary "Intel" hardware, OS X /is/ Apple as far as development are concerned, very good developer support now via ADC, tools included with every OS X installation...
The first sign of intelligence is evolution. Sure, feel free to hate Apple (hating a corporation is very smart, after all), but try and do so for the right reasons, before you cut off a large market for your products.

RichardKAthena said:
WM as an open platform IS unstable. Look at the amount of trouble people have with it. Look at the number of newbie posts on here saying they've messed up their handsets. It all depends on your value of "stable".
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Sorry, but I've got to take exception at that statement. To me it reads:-
"windows is an unstable os because - people muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand"
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"the iPhone will have good os because - people can't muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand, because apple won't let them"
If MS made their ppcs so that the consumers couldn't add programs to it, your argument wouldn't exist.
and how many users (not including people working for the same company) use the exact same setup?

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Sorry, but I've got to take exception at that statement. To me it reads:-
"windows is an unstable os because - people muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand"
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"the iPhone will have good os because - people can't muck it up installing rubbish or doing things they don't understand, because apple won't let them"
If MS made their ppcs so that the consumers couldn't add programs to it, your argument wouldn't exist.
and how many users (not including people working for the same company) use the exact same setup?
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iPhone will not be so locked down that it cannot be personalised. However, you are misinterpreting and misquoting what I said. I don't know how stable the iPhone OS is, and I'm not referring to the stability of the OS.
I'm referring to the stability of the user experience.
Now, my gut feeling (based on the quality of the phone applications in the HTC devices I've used compared to Symbian, SE and Motorola devices) is that in look and feel, user experience and reliability, beating WM would be like shooting fish in a barrel. It works, sure, but it is not pretty, it is not consistent, and it is not reliable. Just witness the caller ID mess on Bluetooth. This isn't a "WM is crap WHAAA" post, it's just an objective observation; you will note that I USE A WM5 AND WM6 DEVICE. By choice. I am aware of the options, and of course I'd like things to be better, but it does the job and the hardware offers a lot of advantages.
Now, if you're really interpreting it the way you say you are, then I suggest you read more closely. I thoroughly expect people to skim the post, see "iPhone good, WM bad", and respond - even though I simply being objective and acknowledging the faults and benefits of BOTH platforms. iPhone is going to succeed, and it's going to do that largely on hype and marketing, but that's not to say that Apple won't have got some things right, because that's what they do. They didn't come to dominate the music player market by producing a product which had all the flaws of the competition with none of the benefits; they polished it and got it right.
HTC make lovely hardware. It runs alright with WM. Give it a better OS and it would be amazing. Is there really any logical reason why the camera on the Ameo is so woefully slow? The call/end buttons on the Universal are positioned RIGHT where your fingers rest if you use it as a phone and have no distinquishing features when not lit? These devices do not have the depth and quality of industrial design that Apple employs in their consumer devices.
What trade do people want to make? Do they want their music library dragged together by Windows Media, including the ringtones it finds on the HD, or do they want iTunes "plug and play" simplicity (and if anyone wants to slag off iTunes, trust me - I have heard all the criticisms before. The ones I'll accept are that it's a bit slow with large libraries, and it doesn't handle a wide range of codecs by default - I've used every device from Archos to Zen and nothing touches an iPod for sheer intuitive behaviour, or iTunes for genuinely maintaining an organised, logical music library).

I will never use itunes because when on it communicates over the internet even if I set it not to. A lot of apps do this of course but with itunes the connectivity is needed so blocking it is not an option. I need to trust that my system is working for me and not apple. If that same problem was on the iphone then because you can't write a firewall for it your privacy is gone.
My employer has over 10000 wm devices and they operate for weeks at a time with no resetting. They get software updates remotely and are mainly used by non technical users. I personaly use these to work with and I have not been able to crash one. We drop them and get them dirty but still they run. Is that unstable.
I would not gamble with you because you seem like a nut to me and I would not want to exchange details with you.
(This post was done using the real keyboard , from a park bench, over 3g, on my dopod 838 pro. Something I will never be able to do with an iphone!)

OdeeanRDeathshead said:
I will never use itunes because when on it communicates over the internet even if I set it not to. A lot of apps do this of course but with itunes the connectivity is needed so blocking it is not an option. I need to trust that my system is working for me and not apple. If that same problem was on the iphone then because you can't write a firewall for it your privacy is gone.
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What absolute, total, drivel. My son uses iTunes on his iMac, has no internet connection whatsoever, and it works perfectly. He can rip CDs, but has to type the track/artist detail in unless it is included (which is very rare), can sync the iPod, etc. He's been doing this for nearly 2 years.
My employer has over 10000 wm devices and they operate for weeks at a time with no resetting. They get software updates remotely and are mainly used by non technical users. I personaly use these to work with and I have not been able to crash one. We drop them and get them dirty but still they run. Is that unstable.
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I'm fully aware that these things are stable. Again, I'm talking about end-user experience. Employers with 10,000 identical devices (I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say "courier services" or "retail" - something along the lines of Intermec handheld data terminals) will generally have specified the software set on the device, it will be limited, and it will be predictable and tested.
I would not gamble with you because you seem like a nut to me and I would not want to exchange details with you.
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*snorts* Whatever. I like to talk about this stuff seriously, I've been using mobile devices of one form or another since the Tandy 102. You interpret me writing so much about it as being a nut? I interpret it as being the reason I'm paid to review hardware professionally. (I'll post pictures of my latest toys soon, one of them will be very interesting I think).
(This post was done using the real keyboard , from a park bench, over 3g, on my dopod 838 pro. Something I will never be able to do with an iphone!)
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Good for you. Now listen to 7.34GB of music on it for 24 hours without having to recharge. I was posting to Usenet in 1998 from an HP 680LX connected with an Option One GSM datacard; I could make calls on it if I used the wired headset. It's hardly new technology in any sense of the word - each device is merely refining and targeting a specific user base.
This is what you seem to be failing to grasp. iPhone is not inherently bad. It's just not what YOU want. It's not even that expensive; an unsubsidised N73 costs... $500. And it doesn't do many consumer level things that the iPhone does, despite being targeted at that very market.
I may be a nut, but at least I know WTF I'm talking about and don't have an irrational hatred of one company

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It's an iPod. A portable music player. The best thing you can do with it is play music; which it does very well.
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Yes, and the line from iPhone fans about the iPhone is "it's a phone, iPod and breakthrough internet device. The best thing you can do with it make phone calls, play music and use Safari, which it does very well." This is not sufficient for me, for starters. And Steve's explanation of his "sweet solution" for developing "applications" for the iPhone was a joke and an insult to developers.
Apple is telling its customers to pay $500 for a UI. My TYTN can already do everything the iPhone can do, sans the flashy UI, plus MORE -- UMTS/HSDPA, for starters. It can also run any particular binaries you choose to run on it.
Of course, bashing the iPod, or slagging off the as yet unreleased iPhone, is really cool and against the grain. Really helps to understand what you're being negative about, though.
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You think you've got me pegged, but you don't. I am typing this post on my Macbook Pro. For the most part, I love Apple and what they've done with computing. But Steve is taking the company in this "closed device" direction that really, really turns me off. When we were told OS X was essentially UNIX with an Apple GUI, as a geek I got really, really excited, and when I finally got my Mac, Tiger did NOT let me down.
OS X is an excellent example of how the Apple way has, for the last 7 years, been to cater both to nontechnical users and heavily technical users alike. This is what I was expecting from an Apple cell phone. I was, essentially, expecting an OS X PDA phone. This is not AT ALL what we are getting. You can't even cut and paste, ffs!
See, I don't think the tech matters one bit, either to the fans or detractors.
The fans expect the iPhone to work brilliantly at being a phone and music player.
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I'm sure they do. And it will. And all of the enormous hardware potential of the iPhone will be utterly wasted.
The detractors wouldn't care if it had 3.5G, 80GB and cost $5. They just don't like - for whatever reason - seeing Apple (and to be fair, pretty much anyone) be a success.
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Again, you've got me wrong. I don't care about any of that. I would gladly pay $699 for an iPhone that was actually released with an SDK. Why? I want my Terminal. I want my Adium (or something like it). I want ssh, VNC, VLC, Skype, the GNU toolset, and anything else I want, because there is simply no compelling reason to disallow any of it. The only reason any of this is not possible is Apple's incredibly restrictive software, and the only reason Apple's software restrictions exist is AT&T's greed.
I think the iPhone will be enormously successful, but I have serious doubts Apple will ever meet my needs for a smartphone (or the needs of many, many other potential customers out there).

I call you a nut because you are trying to bet me 50 dollars over the details of an unreleased gadget and because you are so emotionally tied to the idea of the iphone that you can't stop.
I was happy to wait and see back on page one but you just can't stop defending a seemingly inferior product that you don't even have.
I don't trust Apple or microsoft. A phone carries a lot of personal information that could be very damaging in the wrong hands. My point about itunes is that with no third party apps, the iphone will not be safe because any program that apple put on it will be free to do what it wants.
Its like Nokia says, "this is what the pc has become". How many people would trust their microsoft onecare more than their norton or other security suit? Now what about trusting security to no one because their won't be any on an iphone. Just look at the 100 plus security bowser problems patched by apple last week. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
The whole discussion is pointless anyway because we do not have one and by next month it will be hacked to run third party apps anyway like apple tv.

Iphone rape?

Is it possible to create an android iphone emulator, like we have wine in linux, and then rape there market place, so that not only do we have all our apps available but all iphone apps as well?

you might wanna look up the abreviation "wine", it stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator, which tries to tell you that wine is not an emulator.
and no, it is not possible. too complicated and not enough computing power.

I laughed at this.

Sounds like this thread should be in a completely different forum/website
I was almost confused as to what the OP was getting at, based purely on your Thread subject title

shokka9 said:
Sounds like this thread should be in a completely different forum/website
I was almost confused as to what the OP was getting at, based purely on your Thread subject title
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that also. everybody tries to use a decent voice around here, and then this.

Maybe make a prayer to the Mobile OS GODS?

Tehmk said:
Maybe make a prayer to the Mobile OS GODS?
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or sacrifice a virgin (phone)...

Even if this was EVEN possible, Apple's just going to take being raped in the ass? Don't think so.

IMO, the iPhone has an iron clad ass that can't be "raped".
I have a 32gs and just got a Hero...android has alot of catching up to do...
On a side note, Mozilla is releasing "Fennec" which will be available for WM, Android, and the iPhone that will use universal web apps...Thats the only shot at leveling the app store playing field.

Iphone has great media capability, and I admire that but I do like the way I can customise and get apps that are virtually impossible on the Apple store. Android does have catching up but it's seems to be doing that pretty fast.

I can do anything with my 3gs that i could realistically do with my hero...
wifi router, tethering, multitasking (with a much better gui), download torrents, smart dialer, folders, themes, a cracked app store, much more conveinent toggles,mobile terminal, firewall, ad-blocker, flash drive, file explorer, stream media, download youtube vids,etc...there's even a different interface for the homescreen itself available..the only main diff i see is custom roms, which isnt even any kind of set back for the iphone...
A stock iphone really cant be compared to an Android device (especially one with a custom rom)in terms of out-of-the-box-functionality and abilities, but a jailbroken iphone is right on the same playing field from a user standpoint.

Your response is correct, to a point. A jailbroken iphone is a totally different device, I can flawlessly multitask with a beautiful interface, have a flash drive app/very easy ftp access, folders on homescreen, insane themes that change the entire look or even a different homescreens all together (Pogoplank), landscape homescreen, mobile terminal, file explorer,toggles,an "app store" with only cracked apps...blah blah blah..the list goes on and on..
point being is that an out-of-the-box iPhone really cant be compared to an Android device, but once you jail break its a level playing field-from a user stand point.

i said **** in a thread once and got given out to haha you make one called i phone rape and are still going strong... kudos!

civicvx94 said:
IMO, the iPhone has an iron clad ass that can't be "raped".
I have a 32gs and just got a Hero...android has alot of catching up to do...
On a side note, Mozilla is releasing "Fennec" which will be available for WM, Android, and the iPhone that will use universal web apps...Thats the only shot at leveling the app store playing field.
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Fennec will never be released on the iPhone
Apple never would accept it to the App Store like they did it on Opera

has any of you gone from an iphone 4 to HD7?

Ok guys i have an iphone 4 and i'm thinking of getting a HD7 have any of you done that and regretted it? or thought is was the best move ever? i'm on the verge of making the move but obviously it is alot of money if it isn't right...My girlfriend has just got one and i like it..but obviously it isn't mine!!!...
The apps on itunes are just plain overcrowed now and apps is no biggy for me any more...as i have an ipad if need be and obviously windows 7 has MS games which some are good.
what do you think?

You might find this link helpful:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mthree/archive/2010/11/19/iphone-to-wp7-111910.aspx

thanks but that is more of a sales pitch blog...lol...i want real peoples experiences...anyone??

Theguru1 said:
thanks but that is more of a sales pitch blog...lol...i want real peoples experiences...anyone??
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No, it's a guide to help you help you migrate. Should you decide that's what you want to do.

yes and i appericiate that thanks...i just wondered if anyone has made the move...i'm stuck whether to keep the phone or not..

Nearly there...
I'm a iPhone 4 32Gb owner since June launch day with a HTC HD7 on it's way to me in the next few days or week (all depending on USPS First Class International Mail!). Once I get it, I will upgrade it with a SanDisk 32GB Class 2 with help with another thread here.
I'm looking forward to the HTC HD7 and I know deep down there will be some things that will niggle me about WP7... however, I just want to have decent notification which WP7 has! Jailbreaking the iPhone has been easy (but the present jailbreak is 'teathered'- urgh!).
I've been using 'Notify Pro' which has been a pain on the iPhone. To be honest, I thought why am I wasting my time with this buggy third party app from Cydia to get something which should be standard in the first place. I'm also impressed how it has so far integrated FaceBook in WP7, but Twitter needs some tweaking I hear.
I most probably miss the 'iPod ecosystem' (docks and car ICE) but hoping the WP7 UI will wow me and the screen size does look great for browsing the Internet and watching media (Use to have a HTC HD2 and loved the screen but not the constant rebooting!).
I'm planning to keep the iPhone 4 and HD7 for a few months... perhaps, Microsoft's upgrade in January might swing it for me finally!

Theguru1 said:
yes and i appericiate that thanks...i just wondered if anyone has made the move...i'm stuck whether to keep the phone or not..
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I have had both
they are both excellent
the HD7 has a superior user interface, in that you can switch between a tiled status screen and a list of icons. Its also slicker and cooler (whatever that means )
the larger screen is great. the web browser is slightly slower but it can render some things the iphone browser can't, e.g. go to unlocking.com and try the drop-downs on the iphone ..... I will also be able to do flash at some point, something apple has vowed not to do
its drawbacks are that the app storee has some fun stuff but its small compared to apple. The biggest thing about the WM7 user interface, the active tiles, need to be expanded more. i would like something "HTC sense" like. Obviously we are also waiting for cut & paste in the Jan firmware release.
There is apossibility of expanding the HD7's memory manually as well, as its actually an embedded MicroSD card which many folk have already taken out and replaced with a 32gb one.

thanks alexander for your insight..its just i have had an iphone since 3g, 3gs, 4 and suddenly i thought i need a change i also have had hd2 which i loved..but because of the bugs it had to go..i also have 32gb iphone 4 but one thing is bothering me is "you don't know what you have got until it has gone" i think i will have another go tonight

colonel said:
I have had both
they are both excellent
the HD7 has a superior user interface, in that you can switch between a tiled status screen and a list of icons. Its also slicker and cooler (whatever that means )
the larger screen is great. the web browser is slightly slower but it can render some things the iphone browser can't, e.g. go to unlocking.com and try the drop-downs on the iphone ..... I will also be able to do flash at some point, something apple has vowed not to do
its drawbacks are that the app storee has some fun stuff but its small compared to apple. The biggest thing about the WM7 user interface, the active tiles, need to be expanded more. i would like something "HTC sense" like. Obviously we are also waiting for cut & paste in the Jan firmware release.
There is apossibility of expanding the HD7's memory manually as well, as its actually an embedded MicroSD card which many folk have already taken out and replaced with a 32gb one.
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Thank you..So what would you choose? ip4 or hd7?

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Thank you..So what would you choose? ip4 or hd7?
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it depends on the person. the iphone is more compact and more beautiful (although the HT7 is also very nice).
you first need to decide whether you are comfortable with the size of the device.
also, have you purchased many iphone apps ? you might have "buyer remorse" letting these go
i personally continue to use both. I get bored of the iphone very quickly, then the HD7 is more fun. But then I miss my apps so go back to the iphone for a bit ....
If you have no app investment then definitely try out the HD7

Hello,
I have both and to be honest, I don't know which one to advice..... ;-))
Both are great in differents ways, iPhone is iPhone and I have had one since the first model. I have had plenty of Windows mobile device about 15, I guess.
Now, WP7 looks great, integration with Facebook and of course Xbox live...this is THE point.
I love having my Xbox live account with me all the time, having success on my phone when away from home....
On an other side, I'm so used to my iPhone, I have plenty of softwares I know and I like very much....
So, I decieded to keep both for the moment with 2 SIM cards, like this I have the best from both....
To be honest I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab as well and it's so great....
So the best, if you have enought money, is to have one of each... ;-))
Regards,

I went from iPhone 3G S to the HTC HD7 (T-Mobile branded). There's not much I'm missing. Maybe tethering but I'm sure that will soon be fixed. I like not having to convert anymore of my music. I can load the CD and burn it to hard drive and I can play it straight away on the phone. I don't have to convert it to Apple format to make it portable. I like that I can swap the battery too. Couldn't do that with iPhone. There's a few other nuances but that will happen with anything new. That's only one perspective though. Keep watching for the suggestions and feedback.

I have both the iPhone 4 (haven't sold yet) and the HD7 (just got).
I feel like the operating system on the HD7 is so much better than iOS, but that is going to be personal preference, varying with what people want to do, how techy they are, etc.
As far as the actual phones go, I love the HD7. It's not a retina display, but the size is fantastic and colors vibrant.
Honestly, the only things I miss from my iPhone are jailbreak apps. The new windows OS has already been hacked, so it's only a matter of time until I have them again

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I have both the iPhone 4 (haven't sold yet) and the HD7 (just got).
I feel like the operating system on the HD7 is so much better than iOS, but that is going to be personal preference, varying with what people want to do, how techy they are, etc.
As far as the actual phones go, I love the HD7. It's not a retina display, but the size is fantastic and colors vibrant.
Honestly, the only things I miss from my iPhone are jailbreak apps. The new windows OS has already been hacked, so it's only a matter of time until I have them again
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Really? I dont see any threads about it being hacked yet? Only that they are porting it to HD2

guys thanks i'm going to make the jump...i'm ebaying from tonight...and go for the hd7...i keep thinking about it so i thought why not...!!
hello XDA again lol...

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Really? I dont see any threads about it being hacked yet? Only that they are porting it to HD2
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The ChevronWP7 unlock. Allows sideloading of apps on any WP7 device.

stillbrad said:
Really? I dont see any threads about it being hacked yet? Only that they are porting it to HD2
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there is an app for the hack... all u need to do is search... however there are no apps to be side loaded so its not used yet

windows phone 7 my feeling

I have had my LG quantum for about two months now and couldn't be happier. I had an iPhone 4 and had gotten in a car accident and every call I mad to my insurance..... Disconnected I had to use someone BlackBerry who was also on att in order to get the proper assitence. So I sold my iPhone and got a Samsung galaxy s device.... It go so boring switching roms and the atrocious line up of apps in the app store got extremely annoying I couldn't any apps that were even near iPhone quality with being an app that I already owned on the iPhone and being that angry birds was their best game.... Waist of my time and by the way the phone I had was the Samsung captivate.
so windows phone 7 came out and I was like why not. I've tried everything else and was barley satisfied so I got the LG Quantum and boy am I pleased. Yea no copy and paste but the OS is amazingly smooth unlike my captivate and the games are what I look for fun and graphically acceptable. Not stupid jokes I wish the twitter app was better but the xbl integration is a work of art. I think I purchased like 12 games and for the most part I am happy.the OS will continue to develop and improve just like everything else. I remember in 08 when I had my g1 or was it 09.... Anyway I read in an article that the os would die because not enough devices or devs.... Well look at Android now. WP 7 is similar just needs a little support and it will blow up because its an amazing os and I'm using my quantum right now to right this. Smooth and quick. So yea I didn.t know where to write this so I did it here thanks for letting me vent

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I have had my LG quantum for about two months now and couldn't be happier. I had an iPhone 4 and had gotten in a car accident and every call I mad to my insurance..... Disconnected I had to use someone BlackBerry who was also on att in order to get the proper assitence. So I sold my iPhone and got a Samsung galaxy s device.... It go so boring switching roms and the atrocious line up of apps in the app store got extremely annoying I couldn't any apps that were even near iPhone quality with being an app that I already owned on the iPhone and being that angry birds was their best game.... Waist of my time and by the way the phone I had was the Samsung captivate.
so windows phone 7 came out and I was like why not. I've tried everything else and was barley satisfied so I got the LG Quantum and boy am I pleased. Yea no copy and paste but the OS is amazingly smooth unlike my captivate and the games are what I look for fun and graphically acceptable. Not stupid jokes I wish the twitter app was better but the xbl integration is a work of art. I think I purchased like 12 games and for the most part I am happy.the OS will continue to develop and improve just like everything else. I remember in 08 when I had my g1 or was it 09.... Anyway I read in an article that the os would die because not enough devices or devs.... Well look at Android now. WP 7 is similar just needs a little support and it will blow up because its an amazing os and I'm using my quantum right now to right this. Smooth and quick. So yea I didn.t know where to write this so I did it here thanks for letting me vent
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Did Microsoft send you!?
I know you're a rat..
jk
this the first time some one who likes wp7

frankiedizzle87 said:
..... the OS will continue to develop and improve just like everything else. I remember in 08 when I had my g1 or was it 09.... Anyway I read in an article that the os would die because not enough devices or devs.... Well look at Android now. WP 7 is similar just needs a little support and it will blow up because its an amazing os and I'm using my quantum right now to right this.
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to me it sounds like ur 1 phone os far from realising theres nothing that would satisfy ur bi**y attitude and the problem is in you , so ur just trying to hold on a lame os which isnt good even by your own judgement(notice the "will"-s , a sign of wishful thinking) your hoping it gets magically perfect a day which isnt gonna happen , and ull utimately be faced by your sad self with your unreasonable standards

No no no u missed the point of my post. Do u own a WP 7? Being that I owned all three phones I can state I like the feel and potential of this OS no Microsoft didn't send me just tired of writers hating on the os but fact of the matter is that its a brand new os let it grow. I read its a dead OS today... How cause its in competition.. Well when Android came out it had to compete with IOS and windows mobile. It did fine so will this u tell me what's wrong with the os

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No no no u missed the point of my post. Do u own a WP 7? Being that I owned all three phones I can state I like the feel and potential of this OS no Microsoft didn't send me just tired of writers hating on the os but fact of the matter is that its a brand new os let it grow. I read its a dead OS today... How cause its in competition.. Well when Android came out it had to compete with IOS and windows mobile. It did fine so will this u tell me what's wrong with the os
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dont pay attention to them, they are just fandroids

A probably so. It felt right to give respect to a fun nice and cool OS like my home screen is so animated

husam666 said:
Did Microsoft send you!?
I know you're a rat..
jk
this the first time some one who likes wp7
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to me it sounds like ur 1 phone os far from realising theres nothing that would satisfy ur bi**y attitude and the problem is in you , so ur just trying to hold on a lame os which isnt good even by your own judgement(notice the "will"-s , a sign of wishful thinking) your hoping it gets magically perfect a day which isnt gonna happen , and ull utimately be faced by your sad self with your unreasonable standards
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go figure, someone posts something positive about wp7, and the android fanbois come running. I think they search the forum with terms like wp7 and focus.
I love my hd7, facebook integration means I actually check on my friends and family and seismic is a great twitter app. Sounds like IE is getting its own update very soon separate from wp7 updates (according to one of the MS engineers, he said to look for it in between the update coming and mango), and after mango, what will be missing? The only stuff I find annoying is that 3rd party apps can't run in the background yet, so opening links in twitter apps, takes you out of the app and sometimes you lose your place in the timeline.
The multimedia experience on this device has been so much better than winmo or android.

frankiedizzle87 said:
I have had my LG quantum for about two months now and couldn't be happier. I had an iPhone 4 and had gotten in a car accident and every call I mad to my insurance..... Disconnected I had to use someone BlackBerry who was also on att in order to get the proper assitence. So I sold my iPhone and got a Samsung galaxy s device.... It go so boring switching roms and the atrocious line up of apps in the app store got extremely annoying I couldn't any apps that were even near iPhone quality with being an app that I already owned on the iPhone and being that angry birds was their best game.... Waist of my time and by the way the phone I had was the Samsung captivate.
so windows phone 7 came out and I was like why not. I've tried everything else and was barley satisfied so I got the LG Quantum and boy am I pleased. Yea no copy and paste but the OS is amazingly smooth unlike my captivate and the games are what I look for fun and graphically acceptable. Not stupid jokes I wish the twitter app was better but the xbl integration is a work of art. I think I purchased like 12 games and for the most part I am happy.the OS will continue to develop and improve just like everything else. I remember in 08 when I had my g1 or was it 09.... Anyway I read in an article that the os would die because not enough devices or devs.... Well look at Android now. WP 7 is similar just needs a little support and it will blow up because its an amazing os and I'm using my quantum right now to right this. Smooth and quick. So yea I didn.t know where to write this so I did it here thanks for letting me vent
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Wp7's UI is different, but I don't think it's beautiful. Besides, Wp7 has been out for a short time, so it has many shortcomings

I have tested it on my Leo for a couple of days and despite it´s nice I decided to go back to WM/Non NAND Android combo which is the best for me.
If you want to read my personal review here it is.

nrfitchett4 said:
go figure, someone posts something positive about wp7, and the android fanbois come running. I think they search the forum with terms like wp7 and focus.
I love my hd7, facebook integration means I actually check on my friends and family
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Its called getting your own life. Besides most smartphones can check facebook OHHH wow!!!
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and seismic is a great twitter app.
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No twitter app is great, unless you are one of the marketers milking the sad twitter addicts. OMG GREG IS TAKING A DUMP !!!!! RIGHT NOW !!!1!!11 OMG! Besides Most other smartphones have twitter apps.
nrfitchett4 said:
Sounds like IE is getting its own update very soon separate from wp7 updates (according to one of the MS engineers, he said to look for it in between the update coming and mango), and after mango, what will be missing? The only stuff I find annoying is that 3rd party apps can't run in the background yet, so opening links in twitter apps, takes you out of the app and sometimes you lose your place in the timeline.
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Wow. That means ABSOLUTELY nothing. Keep on rambling tho. you might actually say something legitimate and interesting about wp7.
nrfitchett4 said:
The multimedia experience on this device has been so much better than winmo or android.
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Nope not yet, but you will get there. Sounds like you should have spent your money on a real smart phone. Not a wanabe iphone.

How dare you call me a fandroid

well, i guess i'm a ''fandroid'' (wtf? is that supposed to be an insult?) but i have no problem with wp7.

hungry81 said:
Its called getting your own life. Besides most smartphones can check facebook OHHH wow!!!
No twitter app is great, unless you are one of the marketers milking the sad twitter addicts. OMG GREG IS TAKING A DUMP !!!!! RIGHT NOW !!!1!!11 OMG! Besides Most other smartphones have twitter apps.
Wow. That means ABSOLUTELY nothing. Keep on rambling tho. you might actually say something legitimate and interesting about wp7.
Nope not yet, but you will get there. Sounds like you should have spent your money on a real smart phone. Not a wanabe iphone.
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C'mon man how is it an iPhone wanna be? U sound stupid so any smartphone that takes a simplistic user friendly approach is a smartphone wanna be? Ur an idiot

I am a neutral person.
So before anyone shoots childish insults at me, I don't give a damn about them
In my honest opinion I have had and handled all three of the mobile OS and I believe each has their advantages and disadvantages, as all things in life nothing is perfect.
iOS: Alittle too closed off for my tastes. I enjoy a few of the apps on there but for everyone who says that the Android market has stupid apps...guess what??? SO DOES APPLE! I have seen soo many stupid ass repetitive zombie apps on there I was sick. On top of that it doesn't allow SD support, which is also a personal problem, I don't like that you have to rely on Apple's App store to download and control your apps. Aside from that it is a nice OS if you jailbreak it and mod it yourself.
Windows Mobile: Well, this was my first mobile OS honestly. I enjoyed the ROM support on it but when it came to the app department you needed to have a freaking treasure hunt just to find a decent game haha You could also have a decent amount of customization because you can change the registry and such and whatnot, but it was a lot easier to screw up and have problems with the OS.
Android: I have been using this OS ever since I got my HD2 haha I agree with the retarded apps in the market but it's easy to pick out the good ones from the retarded ones, in my opinion. When it comes to apps as well you can easily download and install an .apk from online or store it on your sd card instead of having to rely on the market to dominate your every move. I also think Android is the best one for customization, with iOS you can't even change your keyboard, you always get the same dull crap, wm is a little better but you can't really adjust your home without adding more programs on top of programs, using more memory than you really should just for one thing. Plus...flash, enough said.
Windows Phone 7: I have seen, touched, played with and borrowed a WP7, I do not like it. I didn't have it in my possession for an entirely large amount of time so I can't say much about it. Yes the WP7 is new and developing still but so was Android, and honestly even when Android matured what happened to it overall? Speed? A little bit of change in the look of it? I do not see too much noticeable change coming from it in the long run, just a few tweaks here or there. Some people call them Iphone wannabes...so do I. I believe that Jobs and Gates wanted to compete to see whose phone can be the most restrictive and simplistic. And again with iPhone as well, with simplicity comes beauty, yes it looks nice, but you can't really do sh*t to it besides adding live tiles...which isn't all that impressive. I believe that the WP7 is basically a Microsoft version of iOS. PLUS! You can't even put a freaking SD card into the phone without taking it apart and having it formatted to your device and losing all of your data on there.
Hate it or love it that is my opinion on these different OSs.

husam666 said:
How dare you call me a fandroid
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Guys, he has a WM Touch Pro 2...how the HELL can he be a fandroid??

THread was fun thanks for coming
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Windows 7 is a big hit.
Windows 7 Mobile is a big flop.

I'm going back to my brick nokia and playing original snake fucj everything else
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but but....
whats wrong with windows phone 7?
i mean... its a pleasently fast and fine OS
you can almost do all sorts of things just like all other smartphones
except that it has 'less apps on the marketplace or whatever you call it
well... at least it doesnt have those useless apps where you basically "drink" beer/air or "shave" nothing or idk what you name it... yet
but lets say... why not give this new fella os some room for growth instead of hating it from the very first day? fan boys jks
cheers and have a nice day

Coming from a WM6 / 6.5 background - at first I found WM7 frustrating. (I've only had the phone a few days).
Initially the whole idea of having ALL contacts in one place completely freaked me out. Then I realised the O/S is sensible enough to only offer phone contacts when messaging / calling. Luckily most of my FB 'friends' haven't added phone contact details - but when they do, I'll be back to being slightly screwed on that front. Having de-duped and linked accounts, things don't seem so bad ... but I still think having overall groupings for contacts would help me in the long run. (I haven't seen what's due in any updates, so it's something that may be coming).
Asides from the Zune-like interface, the one thing that is frustrating me most is the lack of RDP software. I used that a lot on my XDA zest.
Oh, and not supporting custom ring-tones out of the box is annoying too. Like with any MS O/S, you just have to get used to it....
So far though I'm thinking it's working faster / better for me than 6.5 was with few issues, so I'm fairly happy about it.

Ordered iPhone 4 for wife

I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife and was planning on using it til the thunderbolt cones out. I've been an android enthusiasts for a while I just wondered if I was going to rott in hell for this one, its like going tobthe Christian church and then becoming a satist. Or so I hear. I'm just ready for some good battery life again, I should be ashamed of myself
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Enjoy living in apple's walled playground.
Having an iphone is like being 17, it's awesome but it could be so much better.
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Ifone sucks
Viva Android ;p

Bjork62 said:
Ifone sucks
Viva Android ;p
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I disagree, the iphone has amazing hardware and software and the app store is unrivaled. But it's a shame that Apple doesn't allow for a little more freedom.
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My condolences...
ksizzle9 said:
I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife and was planning on using it til the thunderbolt cones out. I've been an android enthusiasts for a while I just wondered if I was going to rott in hell for this one, its like going tobthe Christian church and then becoming a satist. Or so I hear. I'm just ready for some good battery life again, I should be ashamed of myself
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I don't understand the iPhone hate in the world. The psychologist in me says there must be some jealousy. The iPhone does some things very, VERY well. It's beautifully designed hardware. It's very reliable and generally just works.
That said, there's a few reasons I like Android better:
- Better, less intrusive notification system
- More freedom in what to use - no apps blocked out because of stupid rules (think Google Voice)
- Swype keyboard availability
- Google Maps GPS
But the iPhone has:
- Better Applications, especially games
- Better hardware design (aesthetically) than any Android phone
- Less platform fragmentation and more regular updates
If Apple licensed Swype, and created something other than their pop-up notifications, I would seriously consider switching. No questions. Both are great products and should be recognized as such. Windows Phone 7 is also very nice for those who only need to do what it can do.

I'm surprised you don't hear it said more often but i've always seen the iphone as more of a ladies device, whereas Android is more for the gents.
Is that just me?
Men are generally more practical and we enjoy our tools, (ahem), ladies like to accessorise.

Mark Uhde said:
I don't understand the iPhone hate in the world. The psychologist in me says there must be some jealousy. The iPhone does some things very, VERY well. It's beautifully designed hardware. It's very reliable and generally just works.
That said, there's a few reasons I like Android better:
- Better, less intrusive notification system
- More freedom in what to use - no apps blocked out because of stupid rules (think Google Voice)
- Swype keyboard availability
- Google Maps GPS
But the iPhone has:
- Better Applications, especially games
- Better hardware design (aesthetically) than any Android phone
- Less platform fragmentation and more regular updates
If Apple licensed Swype, and created something other than their pop-up notifications, I would seriously consider switching. No questions. Both are great products and should be recognized as such. Windows Phone 7 is also very nice for those who only need to do what it can do.
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the first two your points for the iphone are subjective. for your third one, Forced updates are not necessarily a good thing.
Here are my subjective counter arguments.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.

Apple have to release updates very often , Because its the only one phone apple got , So, they can easily do it but other OEM Cant do for all models

hungry81 said:
the first two your points for the iphone are subjective. for your third one, Forced updates are not necessarily a good thing.
Here are my subjective counter arguments.
Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
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Sure, I'm being a big subjective, but so are you with "boring interface." The iPhone 4 is glass and metal. Premium materials all around in a way nothing compares to. Neutered Bluetooth? I quit caring about Bluetooth the day I got a smartphone. Bluetooth (when not crippled) is great on dumbphones, but seems to me to have little purpose on a smartphone. As for the "antenna fail" - it's mostly myth. People I know with iPhone 4's are getting great reception. You basically just have to avoid touching it on the antenna breaks - which are easy to see and clear to avoid, and they're not in places where MOST people would touch it in the normal use of the phone. The only way you'd really naturally touch them is if you're gripping the phone with your whole hand.
I'm not saying it's perfect, I love the flexibility of Android. I'm just saying - there's some things that Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc could learn from Apple on.

Hardwarewise the iphone is lacking, (Sd card? USB port?) and is easily broken (not to mention antenna fail)
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8 gb internal memory, has a link cable. AT&T had the antenna issue, issue fixed with Verizon version. AT&T network also part to blame on that too. The SD card and USB port are more like features, not actually needed.
Software wise the iphone is lacking (neutered bluetooth, boring interface) The apps and games are not all that different to android, both markets are being constantly updated.
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Bluetooth works just fine for communication, and the interface is to each their own. I like it a lot. The apps and games I've seen and used on Ios are a lot more polished than those on Android. For a good reason though, Apple has control over the apps. Android has an open market. Plus, in my opinion the games on ios are way better. I only thing I like in games that android has that doesn't need root, are emulators.
I like both platforms, I wish frash would be more developed for ios. I might be getting on Verizon and getting one, if not probably gonna get the Thunderbolt if the LTE is only $30 and not $50.

u cant justify a phone that has one button cuz its "simple to use" and then start going around bragging how superior it is technically , its simply a dumbed down toy phone , an overpriced piece of style made for blond women
and if thats what works for you , well that says something about ya

souljaboy said:
u cant justify a phone that has one button cuz its "simple to use" and then start going around bragging how superior it is technically , its simply a dumbed down toy phone , an overpriced piece of style made for blond women
and if thats what works for you , well that says something about ya
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That comment makes no sense whatsoever. An iphone is not simple because it only has one button. It's built that way because that's what the software needs.
even if it's the other way around (software optimized for hardware) the iphone is not a "toy phone". It's as fast and powerful as most android devices.
Apple's guidelines are a different story and it hampers the phone, but as a device, it can go head to head with any current android phone.
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That comment makes no sense whatsoever. An iphone is not simple because it only has one button. It's built that way because that's what the software needs.
even if it's the other way around (software optimized for hardware) the iphone is not a "toy phone". It's as fast and powerful as most android devices.
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in short , i believe u meant to say : the revolutionary software is built around one magical button

Guys, seriously, what's the point in arguing this stuff. It just screams of jealousy. The iPhone 4 is great hardware. It's very similar inside to a Samsung Galaxy S. The screen is smaller, but higher resolution - different for different needs. The design is very elegant and classy.
The software? Eh, it's fast and looks good at first. I hate the popup in-your-face notifications though, and it's rather repetitive.
The App Store? This is where I really start to hate the iPhone - the "you can't do that because we say so" attitude. This would be fine if sideloading apps was allowed, but it's not. And THAT is my big issue with the iPhone.
But arguing that the hardware isn't very high end is silly. And the one button isn't even to make it simpler, it's not - having physical buttons is easier. It's to make it more minimalist and look nicer. The same reason by the time Apple finally started including multi-button mice with Macs, they did so once the technology was in place to make it look and feel like a one-button mouse. Sure, the one-button mouse was slow and hard to use. But it looked good. The new Apple mice are amazing though - one physical button, but a touch surface that recognizes where you're pushing on the mouse. Likewise with the new Apple trackpads - one GIANT touch surface with no discernable button, but it works great! The old true one-button Apple mice though were a crime against humanity - and there's a reason almost nobody professional actually used the mouse that came with their Mac in those days.

ksizzle9 said:
I ordered the iPhone from Verizon for my wife
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Why? What did she do wrong?

DirkGently1 said:
I'm surprised you don't hear it said more often but i've always seen the iphone as more of a ladies device, whereas Android is more for the gents.
Is that just me?
Men are generally more practical and we enjoy our tools, (ahem), ladies like to accessorise.
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Yes. It definitely is just you. I'm sorry but that's just unfair of you to say that. I most definitely AM A LADY and, I wouldn't be caught dead with an iPOS. Please don't generalize like that again. Oh and as for your little comment about accessories. I CUSTOMIZE my N1 to my hearts content. I am deeply offended by your comments.
I'm not sure where I sent this from.... or how I did it

souljaboy said:
in short , i believe u meant to say : the revolutionary software is built around one magical button
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It's a button that does the same as the home button on any android device. So android can search or go back using physical buttons, there's no inherent difference that those options are built into iphone UI.
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I completely agree; we like to spend more time tinkering with the phone, customizing it to our liking.
I do see a lot more women with iPhones, and the women that i do see with android phones (galaxy s or whatever), use all stock applications and launchers and maybe have Angry Birds on there or something.

Screens too small. I'll have me a nice big android phone any day.
I am currently using a 7 inch gsm/3g tablet as my phone and I love it. fits into my pockets too. zte v9.
Nice hardware. Too small. Like the macbook air.