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[Q] Using Verizon (1060) phone in the UK (on GSM)

I'll be going to the UK for a couple of weeks and want to buy a "pay as you go" sim card when I get to heathrow to get a UK phone number and make local calls.
Can I just buy the nano sim from the provider into my verizon phone and it will work or do I have to "convert" my phone with the t-mobile software before I go to activate GSM? I don't care about LTE, data over cellular is just fine for emails and msgs. My moto x is the unlocked Verizon dev edition.

ghstudio said:
I'll be going to the UK for a couple of weeks and want to buy a "pay as you go" sim card when I get to heathrow to get a UK phone number and make local calls.
Can I just buy the nano sim from the provider into my verizon phone and it will work or do I have to "convert" my phone with the t-mobile software before I go to activate GSM? I don't care about LTE, data over cellular is just fine for emails and msgs. My moto x is the unlocked Verizon dev edition.
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It should work fine as is. VZW devices are already sim-unlocked.
Keep in mind, that the VZW version does not support the LTE frequencies used in the UK. It also doesn't support the 1800mhz UMTS band that is used by some carriers in Europe....so you MIGHT not even get HSPA+ if your carrier happens to use that band...
There is nothing you can do about either of the above 2 issues, since the radio hardware on the VZW variant doesn't support these bands. Phone calls & texts will not be an issue, since it DOES support all the GSM bands.
Good Luck

samwathegreat said:
It should work fine as is. VZW devices are already sim-unlocked.
Keep in mind, that the VZW version does not support the LTE frequencies used in the UK. It also doesn't support the 1800mhz UMTS band that is used by some carriers in Europe....so you MIGHT not even get HSPA+ if your carrier happens to use that band...
There is nothing you can do about either of the above 2 issues, since the radio hardware on the VZW variant doesn't support these bands. Phone calls & texts will not be an issue, since it DOES support all the GSM bands.
Good Luck
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According to the specs, my phone has exactly the same bands/frequencies as the AT&T phone, except for lte. I guess I have to see if anyone in the uk uses 1800 utms and avoid them, I guess. But per your post, if I put a gsm sim in the phone it will just start to work on gsm in the uk. That's great news.

ghstudio said:
According to the specs, my phone has exactly the same bands/frequencies as the AT&T phone, except for lte. I guess I have to see if anyone in the uk uses 1800 utms and avoid them, I guess. But per your post, if I put a gsm sim in the phone it will just start to work on gsm in the uk. That's great news.
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I don't know where you saw those "specs" but they are wrong.EDIT: I now see that you said "except for LTE" - this is correct.
Everything I said previously still applies...
The attachment should clear everything up for you.
The VZW unit does support all the same UMTS frequencies as the AT&T unit, but NOT the European model.
And finally: It probably won't "just start to work" on GSM. You WILL need to go to Settings > More > Mobile Networks --- and then select "GSM/UMTS". Then it will "just start to work"

samwathegreat said:
I don't know where you saw those "specs" but they are wrong.EDIT: I now see that you said "except for LTE" - this is correct.
Everything I said previously still applies...
The attachment should clear everything up for you.
The VZW unit does support all the same UMTS frequencies as the AT&T unit, but NOT the European model.
And finally: It probably won't "just start to work" on GSM. You WILL need to go to Settings > More > Mobile Networks --- and then select "GSM/UMTS". Then it will "just start to work"
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Thanks....especially for that last step. I kind of figured there was something that I had to change on the phone

You may also have to manually input the correct APN info for the carrier you choose, but there should be directions with the Sim. It may just work, but it didn't for me in Australia. I had to manually do it.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X

^ The above is correct, but ONLY applies to DATA & MMS. Talk/text will work even without an APN. Most times, the appropriate APN is added automatically from the SIM.

Tmo us

What is required to use the z3c fully with tmo us? No one seems to know about volte or HD voice but how about just regular LTE? Which model do we get and anything special needed?

km8j said:
What is required to use the z3c fully with tmo us? No one seems to know about volte or HD voice but how about just regular LTE? Which model do we get and anything special needed?
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All GSM phones can use voice while data is running. Internet calling works well, phone gets LTE, not sure what HD voice is, nothing special is needed to work on T-Mobile, buy the D5803

The 5803 supports all T-Mobile us band?

km8j said:
The 5803 supports all T-Mobile us band?
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Yes, except for band 12, which they aren't even using yet, and will not be rolled out till next year.

Any updates on hd voice or volte?

Can CDMA S5 work on AT&T?

My son's AT&T S5 got stolen and my wife bought a US Cellular S5 off of Craigslist. My 1st thought was she got ripped off, but I took it in to US Cellular and they unlocked it for me. The phone doesn't have the option to switch to GSM network, so my AT&T Sim still doesn't work, but it doesn't say invalid Sim now. My question is this: is the modem GSM capable, but not listed? And if I root and flash another rom, will that enable the settings for GSM ?
I did notice the unlocked bootloader. I just rooted it very easily. Now if I can just get it to work on ATT.

sizemore2000 said:
My son's AT&T S5 got stolen and my wife bought a US Cellular S5 off of Craigslist. My 1st thought was she got ripped off, but I took it in to US Cellular and they unlocked it for me. The phone doesn't have the option to switch to GSM network, so my AT&T Sim still doesn't work, but it doesn't say invalid Sim now. My question is this: is the modem GSM capable, but not listed? And if I root and flash another rom, will that enable the settings for GSM ?
I did notice the unlocked bootloader. I just rooted it very easily. Now if I can just get it to work on ATT.
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the unfortunate answer is no, CDMA devices do not work on GSM networks.

Thank you sir. Guess I'll put this one up for sale for a Sprint, Verizon, or US Cellular customer.

sizemore2000 said:
My son's AT&T S5 got stolen and my wife bought a US Cellular S5 off of Craigslist. My 1st thought was she got ripped off, but I took it in to US Cellular and they unlocked it for me. The phone doesn't have the option to switch to GSM network, so my AT&T Sim still doesn't work, but it doesn't say invalid Sim now. My question is this: is the modem GSM capable, but not listed? And if I root and flash another rom, will that enable the settings for GSM ?
I did notice the unlocked bootloader. I just rooted it very easily. Now if I can just get it to work on ATT.
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Usually CDMA Phones wont work on GSM Network. But Verizon CDMA Phones does work on GSM too when unlocked as they have GSM Frequency.
I looked at Spec of US Cellular S5 and looks they don't have GSM Frequency. Its more like a strip down version and no GSM Frequency.
Here are the spec for
US Cellular
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 2/4/5/12/17; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
Verizon S5
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 4/13; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz
ATT
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz;

sakdroid said:
Usually CDMA Phones wont work on GSM Network. But Verizon CDMA Phones does work on GSM too when unlocked as they have GSM Frequency.
I looked at Spec of US Cellular S5 and looks they don't have GSM Frequency. Its more like a strip down version and no GSM Frequency.
Here are the spec for
US Cellular
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 2/4/5/12/17; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
Verizon S5
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 4/13; CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz
ATT
FREQUENCIES AND DATA TYPE
LTE: Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/17; HSPA+/UMTS: 850/1900/2100MHz; GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz;
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Verizon switched to GSM thats why there devices will ocasionally work as long as the freqs are the same (some arent)
they still also have CDMA/EVDO configs as well since their network is still supporting both once they complete the switch over (from what ive been told mid to late 2016) they will no longer support any CDMA devices.

cstayton said:
Verizon switched to GSM thats why there devices will ocasionally work as long as the freqs are the same (some arent)
they still also have CDMA/EVDO configs as well since their network is still supporting both once they complete the switch over (from what ive been told mid to late 2016) they will no longer support any CDMA devices.
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Sorry to sound harsh but what you're saying is complete nonsense. Verizon did not (and is not planning on a) switch to GSM. They were, and still are a CDMA carrier.
The reason Verizon devices support GSM is so that their customers can roam in countries outside the US, some of which happen to use the same GSM frequencies as AT&T and T-Mobile do in the US (and therefore, by extension, support these two carriers domestically). And since all Verizon devices which include support for LTE are completely unlocked, in most instances you can take the phone and use it on AT&T or T-Mobile US. That said, when it comes to LTE specifically, these devices often do not have all of the LTE bands supported by T-Mobile and AT&T so on them they will often only work on GSM (2G) or UMTS (3G).
The reason the US Cellular variant won't work on AT&T or T-Mobile is because it looks like US Cellular didn't care about giving their customers the capability to roam internationally with their variant of the S5 - meaning they had the phone made in such a way that it doesn't support any GSM or UMTS bands at all.

myphone12345 said:
Sorry to sound harsh but what you're saying is complete nonsense. Verizon did not (and is not planning on a) switch to GSM. They were, and still are a CDMA carrier.
The reason Verizon devices support GSM is so that their customers can roam in countries outside the US, some of which happen to use the same GSM frequencies as AT&T and T-Mobile do in the US (and therefore, by extension, support these two carriers domestically). And since all Verizon devices which include support for LTE are completely unlocked, in most instances you can take the phone and use it on AT&T or T-Mobile US. That said, when it comes to LTE specifically, these devices often do not have all of the LTE bands supported by T-Mobile and AT&T so on them they will often only work on GSM (2G) or UMTS (3G).
The reason the US Cellular variant won't work on AT&T or T-Mobile is because it looks like US Cellular didn't care about giving their customers the capability to roam internationally with their variant of the S5 - meaning they had the phone made in such a way that it doesn't support any GSM or UMTS bands at all.
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calm down dude, i'm only passing on information that was provided to me by the local verizon store manager and unless your a verizon employee im gonna go with what im told by a verizon employee

cstayton said:
calm down dude, i'm only passing on information that was provided to me by the local verizon store manager and unless your a verizon employee im gonna go with what im told by a verizon employee
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I can tell you with 100% certainty that the person you talked to has no clue whatsoever (and Lord help Verizon if that is the level of technical understanding of their store managers ).
My suspicion as to where the confusion is coming from is that at some point in the future Verizon will stop putting CDMA radios in their devices and rely solely on VoLTE (voice over LTE) technology to provide voice services (currently most voice calls on Verizon are carried on their CDMA network). However, that certainly doesn't mean that they will be shutting off their CDMA service anytime in the foreseeable future .since they will still have a lot of legacy devices whose voice support will only be on CDMA. Nor does it mean that they are switching over to GSM, which is certainly not something they are planning on doing.

myphone12345 said:
I can tell you with 100% certainty that the person you talked to has no clue whatsoever (and Lord help Verizon if that is the level of technical understanding of their store managers ).
My suspicion as to where the confusion is coming from is that at some point in the future Verizon will stop putting CDMA radios in their devices and rely solely on VoLTE (voice over LTE) technology to provide voice services (currently most voice calls on Verizon are carried on their CDMA network). However, that certainly doesn't mean that they will be shutting off their CDMA service anytime in the foreseeable future .since they will still have a lot of legacy devices whose voice support will only be on CDMA. Nor does it mean that they are switching over to GSM, which is certainly not something they are planning on doing.
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well like i said was info passed on by a verizon store manager so take that as you may im not a verizon customer nor will i be since they dont provide coverage where i need it.

Thanks for the info. I ended up selling the phone on ebay and now the guy wants to send it back claiming it's only unlocked for us cellular. I told him it should work on any cdma network, but they might have to flash it on their network. Oh well, if all else fails, I can use it to download movies and stream to the TV! Lol.

I'll install Kodi on it and use it as a media center.

Lol
cstayton said:
Verizon switched to GSM thats why there devices will ocasionally work as long as the freqs are the same (some arent)
they still also have CDMA/EVDO configs as well since their network is still supporting both once they complete the switch over (from what ive been told mid to late 2016) they will no longer support any CDMA devices.
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I'm just gonna LMAO to this reply. Lol. It's an old thread but I'm assuming you have done some research and realize your answer is wrong pertaining to Verizon and GSM. Have a great day.

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ronalgogare said:
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Normally the Verizon variant should arrive unlocked out of the box, although LTE is only possible on Verizon's network.
You should get 3G anywhere else on Earth (even with GSM carriers).

Snowby123 said:
Normally the Verizon variant should arrive unlocked out of the box, although LTE is only possible on Verizon's network.
You should get 3G anywhere else on Earth (even with GSM carriers).
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Incorrect. As long as the carrier is using proper bands LTE will work. For example T-Mobile USA.

Indeed
I`m using LTE on Brazil right now !

wifi calling

Can i get wifi calling on a Note 960F D/S for T-Mobile U.S?

That maybe possible as the US branch of T-Mobile also operates on the GSM band use by other cities around the world. But you would have to check with T-Mobile.

I have Wifi Calling for that same model and I'm on MetroPCS which is a subsidiary company of T-Mobile so I'm sure they would have it as well.

So, if I get this phone, and put in my Tmo sim card, I will have WiFi calling?

iceepyon said:
That maybe possible as the US branch of T-Mobile also operates on the GSM band use by other cities around the world. But you would have to check with T-Mobile.
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OK, I just got off the phone with Tmo, and they said that the N960F D/S isn't sold in the U.S. by Tmo, so no wifi calling. That's a lie, because i'm currently using a Pixel 2xl in the U.S. and it wasn't sold by Tmo, and after inserting my Tmo sim card i get wifi calling.

last1youlove said:
I have Wifi Calling for that same model and I'm on MetroPCS which is a subsidiary company of T-Mobile so I'm sure they would have it as well.
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Where did you buy the N960F D/S?

grunt0300 said:
Where did you buy the N960F D/S?
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Amazon

grunt0300 said:
OK, I just got off the phone with Tmo, and they said that the N960F D/S isn't sold in the U.S. by Tmo, so no wifi calling. That's a lie, because i'm currently using a Pixel 2xl in the U.S. and it wasn't sold by Tmo, and after inserting my Tmo sim card i get wifi calling.
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Did you speak with a T-Mobile Network Technician? As normal Technical Support Staff know next to nothing with regards to this, and need to check with their supervisor and other staff members with regards to more technical questions. Did you purchase your Pixel 2 XL outside of the US? If you did then it can be safe to say that you should get WiFi calling with the N960 F/D. But I would check with a friend who has a N960F/D or a Exynos variant of the SGS9 series just to be sure.