I had two S3 LTE. Provider sucks big time on updates (until today, no KK) so on one of them I downgraded, unlocked, then flashed a stock voda kk rom. I knew this would trip the knox flag (the downgrade) but didn't much care about that one (needed it unlocked).
The other I'd prefer not to trip the flag so I unlocked via my provider who conveniently recently reduced the price to a tenner (from 30 quid).
Question. I've seen many people running even custom roms without tripping knox. Yet other have tripped it. So I'm a bit confused as to WHAT trips it. Pretty sure it was the downgrade and unlock method I used on the first one.
Can anyone tell me definitively (the phone's unlocked, still running stock EE JB, and has been factory reset/wiped) if I ODIN the Voda KK rom onto it, whether it'll trip the flag.
Pretty sure not but best to ask...
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I just pre-ordered my ATT S6 and I've got a few questions! I've been spoiled by my Nexus 4/5 when it comes to "openness" so all this Knox business is new to me.
I'm curious what I'm missing out on if I buy the ATT variant or try and get a T-Mobile phone unlocked. I've done enough reading to know that flashing a custom recovery will trip Knox, so I don't want to do that. If I have the Tmobile ver with a clean Knox, can I still install TW roms with Odin? Or do those require a custom recovery as well?
I'm really trying to decide if I should cancel my ATT pre order and try and get a TMobile model instead... but if the TMobile version won't gain me anything (I want to use Samsung Pay) I might as well stick with what I've got..
Well first off the ATT version will likely ship bootloader locked, which in this case you won't be doing anything custom to the phone that could trip knox...locked BL you won't be able to root (till an exploit is found, the current root depends on an unlocked BL and it will trip Knox)..As for TMO it is likely to be unlocked so you can root it, the current method will trip knox, flashing custom recovery will also trip it, and likely you can't reset that counter once its tripped, also if you flash anything in Odin that isnt official Samsung i believe you will trip knox as well (i believe theres a built in consistency/signature check for this) i could be wrong though as its been a while since I flashed anything on Samsung through Odin, I tripped my tmo s5 day one as I didnt care about the knox features.
AT&T = death to development
Does anyone know if tripping Knox will not allow samsung pay to work?.... That's one of the many features I was looking forward to....
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Does anyone know if tripping Knox will not allow samsung pay to work?.... That's one of the many features I was looking forward to....
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Most likely, nobody is going to know until Pay comes out, so figure August or so.
Damn, that's a long time to wait without rooting... Might just hold on to my note 4 for a bit then.... ?
Hi. I am new on this forum and don't know much about rooting and the requirements of such high complex stuff. But I have an ATT unlocked phone which I use on t mobile. It's lacks WiFi calling, whxih I want, and the signal is probably 1 bar lower than it should. Not to mention I can't update my software since ATT servers for the update won't communicate with my phone since I'm no longer and ATT customer and they are generally very slow with their updates
Anyway is it possible to put a international ROM, say the new marshmallow ROM, or even a T-Mobile ROM on my phone? How would one do that? I am aware of odin as I use it to update my software from time to time. Do I just get the international or T-Mobile ROM and flash it?
Thanks.
No way , at&t have a locked bootloader, ):
international..any day..dont even think abt it
Been trying to do this forever. Still no luck.
Anyway to unlock the bootloader? Would my best bet to sell the phone and just get the unlocked one?
AT&T no way , yes get the 925f
Hello, i have a retail xt1097, its already updated to marshmallow, dont really need to be root forever but i need at least temporal root to do some one-time minor changes, such as install my desired launcher as system, led for battery, hostfile and such.
The problem is i dont want to unlock the bootloader untill warranty expires (still 7 months of warranty) so the question is if any app/exploit, can temp root this device, under MM.
*Tryed searching and i found kingoroot does the trick but im not sure if it will work on MM, i cant mess up bricking phones now because im not be able to repair them since weather its hot, people overload powerlines and electricity drops all the time and makes my pc suddently power off.
Any advice? Thanks guys
As far as I know root isn't possible with locked bootloader.
There has been quite a bit of discussion (I think most of what I read was on other forums) about Motorola's warranty policy for unlocked bootloaders: it seems that from what people have experienced they will still honor the warranty if it is strictly a hardware problem. I bought my phone used but with over a year of Moto Care remaining, which the original owner transferred to me. He (the original owner) had already unlocked the bootloader, but the Moto Care is still shown as active and valid on my account, even though I don't even have stock rom anymore. Just to be safe I would definitely (if possible) re-flash stock rom prior to making any warranty claim.
Hmm makes sense, then can i unlock BL, root, do my things, then unroot, flash stock recovery and relock? is that posible? does it need a custom kernel too? im ok with the stock rom just need few one-time tweaks...
Unless you really use Moto Voice a lot I would just install the newly released CM14.1, and if you ever need warranty work try to reflash stock beforehand. Otherwise, flash twrp, root, etc.... That is covered in the general section, probably linked to some of the stickies at the top of the page. I'm not sure if it will work for you to make system modifications and then try to relock bootloader. I think part of relocking the bootloader includes flashing the stock rom, which would undo any changes you have made.
it will be a day or two after we place the order in a few hours from now. (thursday june 17th 2021).
01 do i need to flash the newer U1 firmware with the v2 bootloader first then do bl unlock and root for custom roms?
02 since we will be in a 2 year contract maybe i should just keep tmobile original firmware and just bl unlock and root that firmware?
03 what is the best way to do it since i know we will be with tmobile for 2 more years?
04 samsung pay wont work and what else?
05 knox will be tripped forever?
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it will be a day or two after we place the order in a few hours from now. (thursday june 17th 2021).
01 do i need to flash the newer U1 firmware with the v2 bootloader first then do bl unlock and root for custom roms?
02 since we will be in a 2 year contract maybe i should just keep tmobile original firmware and just bl unlock and root that firmware?
03 what is the best way to do it since i know we will be with tmobile for 2 more years?
04 samsung pay wont work and what else?
05 knox will be tripped forever?
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I'm not sure about your local network provider policies so can't say about points 1 to 3. Points no 4 and 5 however are quite simple to answer:
04 samsung pay wont work and what else? Most banking apps, payment gateway apps, some streaming services and a large number of services requiring some kind of authentication or DRM will stop working if they detect that your phone is rooted. Most of these can be bypassed even when rooted using Magisk hide. But Magisk development in the future is uncertain right now, so don't put all your eggs in that basket. Some of these apps may work now, but lose functionality later, unless you unroot.
Samsung Pay is gone forever once you root. As well as Samsung Pass. No way to get these back again as far as I know.
You also won't get OTA updates anymore and will have to flash newer firmwares manually.
Warranty is gone too, unless your country has special laws against this. Recently a forum member posted his experience where Samsung wouldn't even perform a paid repair for a screen replacement. Their reason was apparently because he had rooted his phone and voided his warranty. Think about that - they wouldn't even repair his phone, or sell him the parts, even if he was willing to pay! I'm not going to get into whether that's justified - but it is what it is. Be warned.
If you're willing to take the risk and Samsung Pay etc doesn't mean much to you, and features that rooting bring mean way, wayyyyy more to you, even at the risk of losing warranty, proceed with rooting after careful consideration.
05 knox will be tripped forever? Yes. Once you root, this will be irreversibly, permanently, irrevocably, unrecoverably, soul-stone permanently - be tripped forever. Nothing short of a motherboard replacement will get that flag up again.
is there a proper way about doing it when we receive the phones?
i mean will the phones try and auto update when i insert the sim card and power phone on therefore stopping the phone from being bl unlocked and rooter on stock firmware?
do i need to stop this from happening?
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is there a proper way about doing it when we receive the phones?
i mean will the phones try and auto update when i insert the sim card and power phone on therefore stopping the phone from being bl unlocked and rooter on stock firmware?
do i need to stop this from happening?
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There's a paid service for unlocking bootloaders on certain US Snapdragon devices. If you update to the March Security Patch or later the bootloader can't be unlocked. You can turn off the Auto Update function. There are a number of features you'll lose. Warranty (Knox will be tripped), Samsung Pay and Pass. You will also lose Secure Folder and Samsung Health however they may be able to get restored. All data is lost as well as any option to update the device and expect the bootloader to remain unlocked. You can review the details here.
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if this is T-Mobile US (or any US snapdragon version including unlocked, network free) you'll only be able to unlock your bootloader via the above mentioned type of method which isn't cheap as I understand it.
Personally I would need to see a custom rom with a whole lot of functionalities I would use before I opted for this method. If rooting your device is a priority it would seem to make more sense to aquire a Snapdragon or Exynos variant with an unlocked bootloader. The reason for buying a US Branded device, besides a generous trade in allowance are carrier features. If you root a carrier device you'll lose a number of these advantages.
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Personally I would need to see a custom rom with a whole lot of functionalities I would use before I opted for this method. If rooting your device is a priority it would seem to make more sense to aquire a Snapdragon or Exynos variant with an unlocked bootloader. The reason for buying a US Branded device, besides a generous trade in allowance are carrier features. If you root a carrier device you'll lose a number of these advantages.
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i thought if i bl unlock and root a stock firmware it just allows me to use twrp to make full backups so i can restore later and the root is for like hotspot stuff.
i know root disable samsung pay and something else but i thought all the carrier stuff still worked correctly
en11gma said:
i thought if i bl unlock and root a stock firmware it just allows me to use twrp to make full backups so i can restore later and the root is for like hotspot stuff.
i know root disable samsung pay and something else but i thought all the carrier stuff still worked correctly
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You should inquire about call features with the developer before you decide. IMHO you're sacrificing a lot of features for a hotspot.
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It's been a while since I bothered flashing firmware so I am not upto date with how things work now.
My questions are
I am currently on 02s version of firmware and would like to go samsungs version so I can take part in things like the one ui beta. Would this trip knox?
Also just to make sure, would flashing onto a Samsung version allow me beta and direct firmware updates?
Thanks
No, it doesn't trip knox. Beta isn't available to every user, Samsung invites users for beta. The best option for receiving timely updates is flashing the FW associated with your device’s Primary CSC and if it's a Carrier Branded device, stay with your Carrier Branded network.
The short answer is: No...and no.
Flash any official firmware don't trip knox in any way.
Can't...due to the primary purpose of the Knox counter, that is to avoid the installation of unauthorized recoveries and firmwares.
So...if you want, you can flash beta packages too.
1. No, it does not trip Knox. All official firmwares are signed by Samsung, which Knox ignores.
2. Yes, even the community manager switched from ATT firm to unlocked.
I personally switched from TMOB to unlocked, and have OTA updated twice now. Ignore what the dude said above, switch to unlocked to get the official firmware (beta as well) the fastest.
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1. No, it does not trip Knox. All official firmwares are signed by Samsung, which Knox ignores.
2. Yes, even the community manager switched from ATT firm to unlocked.
I personally switched from TMOB to unlocked, and have OTA updated twice now. Ignore what the dude said above, switch to unlocked to get the official firmware (beta as well) the fastest.
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Not so, Unlocked Firmware is typically the last to receive OTA Updates. Samsung pushes Carrier Branded devices first.
The bizarre reason why unlocked phones get updates last in the USA
With carrier phone subsidies now a thing of the past, you may be tempted to buy a flagship smartphone unlocked directly from an OEM, expecting this will offer y
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Not so, Unlocked Firmware is typically the last to receive OTA Updates. Samsung pushes Carrier Branded devices first.
The bizarre reason why unlocked phones get updates last in the USA
With carrier phone subsidies now a thing of the past, you may be tempted to buy a flagship smartphone unlocked directly from an OEM, expecting this will offer y
mspoweruser.com
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I have 2 S21 Ultras, one tmob, one unlocked. Unlocked has gotten 3 OTAs while Tmob has gotten 1. Community manager at Members stated he moved to unlocked as well to get the beta faster. Still, this will get us nowhere, answer to OPs question has been answered as such Knox will not be tripped by official firmwares.
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Not so, Unlocked Firmware is typically the last to receive OTA Updates. Samsung pushes Carrier Branded devices first.
The bizarre reason why unlocked phones get updates last in the USA
With carrier phone subsidies now a thing of the past, you may be tempted to buy a flagship smartphone unlocked directly from an OEM, expecting this will offer y
mspoweruser.com
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In truth the first region that receive updates more often (at least on Exynos) are: Germany (DBT), Switzerland (AUT) and less frequently Panama (TPA)/Thailand (THL).
And are all "unlocked" firmwares.
So I don't believe that story about fast release of branded firmware it's real.
Thank you all for your info. I do agree that unlocked firmware gets faster updates because I always get to move to the new one ui updates well before my partner gets hers on EE.
I usually buy my phones directly from Samsung but this time round I got my S21 Ultra from O2 UK. I would just prefer to have unbranded firmware updates and hit the Betas.
As long as it doesnt trip knox I am happy to give it a try.
Thanks again
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Thank you all for your info. I do agree that unlocked firmware gets faster updates because I always get to move to the new one ui updates well before my partner gets hers on EE.
I usually buy my phones directly from Samsung but this time round I got my S21 Ultra from O2 UK. I would just prefer to have unbranded firmware updates and hit the Betas.
As long as it doesnt trip knox I am happy to give it a try.
Thanks again
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Official firmwares can't trip know.
Like I've said: The first purpouse of warranty counter is to block unofficial stuff.