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Verizon Moto X on AT&T

So I'm looking to upgrade but don't want to be stuck in another 2 yr contract. I'm thinking of using Verizon's edge program and getting the moto x and then paying the rest off when my contract is up at the end of the year. I would like to know if its possible to then go with an AT&T sim card and prepaid option in the same phone?
I have read all Verizon 4G phones come sim unlocked. I can't find either if the Verizon version comes with the GSM radios necessary to do this.
Any help on the subject would be great! Really tired of Verizon..
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Won't work. Vzw uses Cdma for voice and lte for data. Unless someone proves me wrong, the phone can't do voice calls on att network

gunnyman said:
Won't work. Vzw uses Cdma for voice and lte for data. Unless someone proves me wrong, the phone can't do voice calls on att network
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That is my understanding as well. Won't work. Networks incompatible.
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greenro89 said:
So I'm looking to upgrade but don't want to be stuck in another 2 yr contract. I'm thinking of using Verizon's edge program and getting the moto x and then paying the rest off when my contract is up at the end of the year. I would like to know if its possible to then go with an AT&T sim card and prepaid option in the same phone?
I have read all Verizon 4G phones come sim unlocked. I can't find either if the Verizon version comes with the GSM radios necessary to do this.
Any help on the subject would be great! Really tired of Verizon..
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The carrier issue aside (see above) you should not even consider upgrading with Edge unless you want to pay for you phone twice. It is a complete rip off.

All newer Verizon phones are gsm unlocked and will be able to do voice and most of them hspa+ data on ATT. Weather the lte will work really depends on the phone and what radios they put in it.
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Just checked for the moto x and no LTE but everything else should work just fine
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gunnyman said:
Won't work. Vzw uses Cdma for voice and lte for data. Unless someone proves me wrong, the phone can't do voice calls on att network
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It is possible to use a GSM carrier's sim in Verizon's phones for both voice and data. What would you like as Proof?
I don't have an X yet, but....
I have both Verizon and T-Mobile lines for work. (Verizon for personal).
My T-Mobile phone is a Galaxy S3. When T-Mo started supporting the iPhone, our corp rep swapped my sim to a T-Mo Nano SIM for me.
Since then, I have put my T-Mobile sim into my Verizon iPhone 5, VZW Galaxy S4, VZW BB Z10, VZW BB Q10, and VZW Nokia 928. Doing so works fine for voice, data and text messaging on T-Mobiles network, but at EDGE speeds since these VZW phones don't support the 1700mhz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ bands that T-Mo uses. They do support the 1900mhz band that ATT uses, but I don't have an ATT sim handy to pop them in.
Oh, and I did need to use a SIM adapter to convert between nano and micro since only the iPhone 5 uses Nano sim. I do not recall results of trying to SMS, I really don't sms anyway.

gunnyman said:
Won't work. Vzw uses Cdma for voice and lte for data. Unless someone proves me wrong, the phone can't do voice calls on att network
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I hate seeing this response all the time on Verizon devices. Most modern Verizon LTE phones do GSM just fine. Verizon used to call this being a "World Phone", but really all Verizon phones are world devices now. Galaxy S3/4, Note 2/3, all of Moto's phones, etc.
From the Verizon Moto X specs page:
Network
Network: LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS( 850/900/1900/2100), HSDPA 42.2 Mbps (Category 20), HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
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I stand corrected and won't spread misinformation any more. Thanks for educating me.

Thanks everyone for all the replies! I have heard so many things and this clears the air for me.
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The Droid Ultra connects to At&t without any modification required:
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/08/22/droid-ultra-can-connect-to-atts-hspa-network-out-of-the-box/
In the past some phones on Verizon with GSM capabilities were software restricted from connecting to US GSM providers.

Since the X works on ATT it should work with a Straight Talk ATT Sim card right?
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Yes

i think in the past verizon phones were GSM locked for only europe / asia and not US GSM carriers.
i think the moto x, and the droid ultra/maxx/mini are not GSM locked for US.
i just switched from verizon to t-mobile. and my last phone was a droid razr m. i unlocked the radio to be able to use t-mobile for a week before my moto-x came, and it DOES work on at&t / t-mobile.
in this case it supported at&t / t-mobile on edge and voice. with 1900mhz hspa+ at&t 3g (and refarmed t-mobile band). no LTE support.
i think the xt1060 is the verizon moto -x and it doesnt havef support for t-mobile HSPA + 1700/2100 AWS or the t-mobile or at&t LTE bands.
so if you bought a verizon moto x, and used it on at&t in the future you'd only get hspa+ 1900mhz at&T "4G". and edge/voice. but it should work fine.

I can confirm that putting my wife's iPhone 5 nano-sim into my Verizon Moto X does work, and I get H+ (7-8mbit) speeds.

Okay so the next question would be, does this also apply to Sprint's Moto X? I hope it does but I am not holding my breath.
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can somebody please answer the sprint motox question?

ktt4510 said:
Okay so the next question would be, does this also apply to Sprint's Moto X? I hope it does but I am not holding my breath.
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i don tthink sprint has GSM unlocked by default. you'd have to find a way to unlock it, which from the sounds of it on this forum from other posters is not easy. probably have to be a sprint customer and say you are going on a trip to europe etc...

Maxx works...ish
I got a T-Mobile SIM for my VZW Droid Maxx (same chipset as the Moto X). With no changes to any settings it gets voice and text, and after manually inputting the T-Mobile APN I picked up H+ and the 1900 MHz 4G in my area. There's an article on Android Central with pictures of a Droid Ultra on a GSM network (I think AT&T).
That said, Verizon's tech support maintain that their unlocked phones aren't allowed to use any non-Verizon US carrier. They also said that if I take a U.S. T-Mobile SIM card roaming outside the US it will work there. The last generation of carrier locks were based on the nationality of the SIM card, not the tower, so that doesn't make much sense. Further reason to question anything tech support tells you.

I have a Verizon moto x and I placed my Att nano Sim in and I can only seem to get hspa+ not LTE. Other than that everything else seems to work fine.

tshay508 said:
I have a Verizon moto x and I placed my Att nano Sim in and I can only seem to get hspa+ not LTE. Other than that everything else seems to work fine.
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I think you would get LTE if you unlock the bootloader and flash the att modem files. I think some people with the Dev edition ultra maxx flashed the att X radio and it enabled LTE.
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greenro89 said:
So I'm looking to upgrade but don't want to be stuck in another 2 yr contract. I'm thinking of using Verizon's edge program and getting the moto x and then paying the rest off when my contract is up at the end of the year. I would like to know if its possible to then go with an AT&T sim card and prepaid option in the same phone?
I have read all Verizon 4G phones come sim unlocked. I can't find either if the Verizon version comes with the GSM radios necessary to do this.
Any help on the subject would be great! Really tired of Verizon..
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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fyrmd said:
I am ready for a new phone, but would like to be done with Verizon once they take away my unlimited plan. I read a few posts where it is said that the cdma phones would work on T-Mobile, the carrier I will be going to next. Can anyone confirm or deny the ability to use on both networks?
Thanks
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I put a T-mobile SIM in my stock 16GB Verizon Moto x. Here is what works and doesn't.
First off, 4G works! in the South Jersey area and it is Blistering fast, I have exceeded 40MB speed test downloads twice, Several in the high 30s and I am avg in mid 20s. Uploads are averaging 20+/- . Compared to Verizon this is like comparing Fios to 1999 era dial up. the best I ever got on Verizon 4G was 14 download but average between 4 and 9 !
The Network notification switches a lot between 4G, "H" mode, whatever that is, just bars and another which I didn't catch quick enough to read ?
Battery has been amazing compared to my galaxy Nexus, I got 7.5 hours of Actual "Screen on Time" which included some GPS use and an hour of music streaming total phone up time was 34+ hours. How long it will perform like this is anyone's guess, today i got about 6.5 of Screen on time. I hope this inst a trend
Now for the bad news - Using it as a Phone. Incoming calls are fine but, making outgoing is a Pain in the A$$.
When I dial a number, (which is a hassle on this KitKat dialer) it often goes to the home screen or back to the dialer. The Call Fails. I am not sure if my dialer is buggy or its a compatibility problem. the KitKat Dialer on the Moto X is an exorcise in futility. Google are you listening? Why reinvent the wheel. All I want in my Dialer is a Number Pad! and a phone book.
When I Open dialer I see Recent calls up top, the whole middle section says all contacts and is otherwise blank, the bottom has the number pad icon, History and settings dots.
Clicking the number pad icon enlarges the bottom section, which then goes all white and removes the three icons. I have to then click the back arrow and re-click the number pad icon to bring it up the actual dialer. .
At this time I can dial. and then the call always fails on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes several attempts to go through.
When I click send on the dialer the 4G disappears and I am left with just the bars. they come back when call is done but sometimes take a few minutes to do so.
If you Kill the dialer app or swipe it away, coming back to it you will have the same issues when trying to get the number pad (two attempts) if you dont, the number pad will open on first attempt. but the calls will still fail on the first try.
I also cant use the internet when in a call, whether WiFi is on or off. Is this a T-mobile problem? I could use the net in Verizon when in a call when on 4G or WiFi
The Data is set to global mode but I have tried both the other settings. On boot up I get a warning saying the SIM is not recognized which I just swipe away.
I am also having this problem. After making a call, the music player and the phones "volume" aspects cease to work., Meaning, I get no sound out of the phone, Music, notifications alarms etc.. This happens almost every time and the only fix is a reboot
I disabled all Verizon Bloat and a lot of Moto Bloat as well This could be causing some of the bugs? But i have tested several different configurations all with the same outcomes.
Hope this helps and puts an end to the - Will it work or not questions. There seem to be a lot of Net Know it all's that flat out say a Verizon Moto x wont work with a T-Mobile SIM or some other undocumented "fact"

Having trouble with a Verizon Moto X on Tmobile

Hey guys! After doing a little research, I bought Verizon Moto X to use because I read that it's unlocked. I got it new from craigslist for a decent deal. I'm coming from a nexus 5.. I liked it but the feel of the moto x is just amazing. Plus I was always jealous of the active display and always on features.
Anyway, here's the issue.. The phone works brilliantly until 4G comes on. When that happens, data works great, and is blazing fast as usual, but I cannot make calls or send texts. I can receive calls and texts just fine, just can't make them. On everything below 4G there are no issues.
Apparently, since 4.4, you can no longer make new APNs. You can try, but it won't actually save them. For now, I am using an app that accesses the hidden menu to limit the phone to HSPA.
Is there anything I can do or am I better off selling it? Verizon are such ****s.. I don't think I will ever again touch their devices or services again.

Why would u buy Verizon moto for T-Mobile?
T-Mobile moto is unlocked and it supports LTE

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kolyan said:
Why would u buy Verizon moto for T-Mobile?
T-Mobile moto is unlocked and it supports LTE
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It's supposed to be unlocked, it was in the colors that I wanted and it was a great deal. There were T-Mobile ones for sale, but quite a bit more expensive.

I'm pretty sure there was a Verizon Unlocked Moto X and a general unlocked Moto X because Verizon uses different antennas then companies like T-Mobile. Therefore using an unlocked Verizon Moto X WON'T work on T-Mobile or other carriers like Sprint

Bionic22 said:
I'm pretty sure there was a Verizon Unlocked Moto X and a general unlocked Moto X because Verizon uses different antennas then companies like T-Mobile. Therefore using an unlocked Verizon Moto X WON'T work on T-Mobile or other carriers like Sprint
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But it does work.. it just seems like it has problems changing networks when I call.. Like I said, when i disable LTE, everything works perfectly

Mrcojocaru said:
Hey guys! After doing a little research, I bought Verizon Moto X to use because I read that it's unlocked. I got it new from craigslist for a decent deal. I'm coming from a nexus 5.. I liked it but the feel of the moto x is just amazing. Plus I was always jealous of the active display and always on features.
Anyway, here's the issue.. The phone works brilliantly until 4G comes on. When that happens, data works great, and is blazing fast as usual, but I cannot make calls or send texts. I can receive calls and texts just fine, just can't make them. On everything below 4G there are no issues.
Apparently, since 4.4, you can no longer make new APNs. You can try, but it won't actually save them. For now, I am using an app that accesses the hidden menu to limit the phone to HSPA.
Is there anything I can do or am I better off selling it? Verizon are such ****s.. I don't think I will ever again touch their devices or services again.
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When you say 4G do you mean LTE or HSPA+?. The Verizon model does not support T-Mobile LTE. HSPA+ should work

The Verizon model doesn't support UMTS/WCDMA on the main band Tmobile uses which is 1700 Mhz/AWS. So it is likely getting confused when trying to switch between bands to make calls.
At the end of the day it was the wrong phone to buy for your needs.

creman said:
When you say 4G do you mean LTE or HSPA+?. The Verizon model does not support T-Mobile LTE. HSPA+ should work
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I'm getting LTE.. Hspa shows up separately.
http://imgur.com/CrqwNkf

[Q] Using Verizon Moto X on ATT network

Hi,
I notice that while using Verizon Moto X on ATT network, the battery status view shows mobile network signal as "yellow" most of the time. The mobile network is set to "global" or "gsm" to make the ATT sim work.
With similar software setup, I see longer battery life on ATT Moto X on ATT network with LTE, compared to Verizon Moto X on ATT network with HSPA.
Is this expected ? Anything doable to improve battery life of Verizon Moto X on ATT network ?
Thanks.

Yup, sell the VZW Moto X and buy an ATT or TMo version. Why do you think the version specific to the carrier gets better battery life than one which only works somewhat?

nhizzat said:
Yup, sell the VZW Moto X and buy an ATT or TMo version. Why do you think the version specific to the carrier gets better battery life than one which only works somewhat?
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I thought the Verizon Moto X should have similar battery life with ATT, even when used on ATT network. If anybody has experience to verify/deny this, please kindly let me know (so I can check whether it is my software setting being the culpit).
Thanks.

I would be curious if this could be improved with tweaking the software (e.g.,APN settings). I expected there may be problems using the Verizon model on T-Mobile because (until refarmed) the T-Mobile bands are a little unusual (like 1900MHz for HSPA). Thought that at&t used pretty standard GSM bands, though, and would be compatible with the radio in the Verizon model. Hopefully someone with good knowledge in this can comment to clarify.
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I acquired a Verizon Moto X and I popped a ATT sim in it, phone and text works fine. Every time I enter an APN, it disappears when I hit save, I think maybe the phone has to be rooted in order to save/modify APN. Anyone know any other way?

[Q] Verizon Motorolla Moto X ....Rooting?

Hello all,
If I would purchase a Verizon Motorolla Motto X, is it possible to root it to AT&T?

firetech32 said:
Hello all,
If I would purchase a Verizon Motorolla Motto X, is it possible to root it to AT&T?
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sorry.. but your question doesn't make sense. its sorta 2 questions in one.. lemme try to answer it for you...
Q1: Verizon Moto X to be used in ATT?
A1: Yes. Verizon is SIM unlocked. You can use it on ANY carrier that uses GSM/SIM cards. (LTE/HSPA/Data speeds will vary of course due to the modems or whatever you wanna call them built into the phone. No you can't just change a setting in the menu's as they're hardware specific)
Q2: Can the Moto X be rooted?
A2: YES!****** (If you purchase the DE/Developer Edition, you can get the bootloader unlock code from Google/Motorola directly for free. If you purchased the regular retail version, you can purchase the unlock code from the Chinese middleman; look around forums here as the link has there's a dedicated thread for it. There's a fee for that route that converts to roughly around $40 USD'ish. There's another of rooting, but its dependent upon which version of KitKat are you using and how much you want to deal with ADB/FB commands, scripts, and also SS for custom roms. If i lost you here, then stop thinking about rooting your phone altogether on the Retail/Non-DE version of the Moto X..you'll end up with a very nice paperweight.)
Good luck.

Thanks for the info!! Actually I am completely clueless when it comes to an Android (I currently own an Iphone). I would like to upgrade to Android but I want to buy new. I found the Moto X for $100. through Walmart. Now, I am currently using Net10 which is AT&T, and the Moto X is Verizon. That's the reason I was curious to see if I could somehow change it over to AT&T. Thanks again for your time

If you're seeing a Verizon moto x for $100, then it is likely an on-contract price. Meaning you will need to sign up for Verizon service for two years. I don't think this is what you want.
Unless you are thinking of moto g, which does sell for $100 off contract. In which case you should ask on the moto g forums.
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Verizon moto x will not work on at&t Verizon is CDMA at&t is gsm
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stastnysnipes26 said:
Verizon moto x will not work on at&t Verizon is CDMA at&t is gsm
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Ok, lets go over this again... Yes, Verizon uses CDMA/EVDO for its Voice, SMS and 3G data. For LTE they use Band 4 and 13.
However, Verizon's phones include Quadband GSM radio for global roaming. The X also includes HSPA/HSPA+ support as well. As a condition of Verizon winning the 700Mhz spectrum auction for their LTE a while back, their LTE phones are SIM Unlocked. This is what allows you to put a Non-Verizon GSM SIM into the X or other VZW phones, set the APN settings correctly, and get working non-verizon service.
There are conditions, like you have to get the APN settings for the "target GSM carrier" EXACTLY right, and data speed is dependent on the "target GSM carrier's" network in your area.
And yes, I've done it with many of my Verizon phones (X, Galaxy S4, Lumia 928, BB Z10 and Q10, iPhone 5 and 5S, etc), using my work issued T-Mobile and ATT sims.
There are several threads about using a Verizon Moto X on T-Mobile and ATT that cover it more in detail.

KidJoe said:
Ok, lets go over this again... Yes, Verizon uses CDMA/EVDO for its Voice, SMS and 3G data. For LTE they use Band 4 and 13.
However, Verizon's phones include Quadband GSM radio for global roaming. The X also includes HSPA/HSPA+ support as well. As a condition of Verizon winning the 700Mhz spectrum auction for their LTE a while back, their LTE phones are SIM Unlocked. This is what allows you to put a Non-Verizon GSM SIM into the X or other VZW phones, set the APN settings correctly, and get working non-verizon service.
There are conditions, like you have to get the APN settings for the "target GSM carrier" EXACTLY right, and data speed is dependent on the "target GSM carrier's" network in your area.
And yes, I've done it with many of my Verizon phones (X, Galaxy S4, Lumia 928, BB Z10 and Q10, iPhone 5 and 5S, etc), using my work issued T-Mobile and ATT sims.
There are several threads about using a Verizon Moto X on T-Mobile and ATT that cover it more in detail.
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Agreed. Popped in my wife's ATT simcard from her Iphone5s into my MotoX to prove a point to her.... surprising thing was... i picked up ATT LTE w/o having to configure anything on my VZW Moto X. just got lucky? who knows.. go figure.

[Q] Different versions of Moto X??

After many months of consideration, I am considering upgrading my old Droid 2 to a Moto X. I am currently with Verizon, on a very old grand-fathered plan, which works just fine for me. If I pay for the device, I can keep this plan, and avoid a significant increase to my monthly fees. I want an unlocked phone I can use for European travel, and at home, if possible. I am also considering switching to ATT. Verizon still has better coverage for the places we live and visit most often. ATT has a more attractive data plan for the way I use a smartphone, if I upgrade my current plan.
I would like to purchase a global SIM before I leave, in order to avoid ATT or Verizon expensive international fees, and to be able to have both a European and US phone number, and to have support available in English.
As much as I would like to avoid both Verizon and ATT, the other US carriers do not have service where I am.
There are several ways to buy this.
1) Through Verizon - Cost $399
2) Through Motorola Moto X Motomaker website - Cost $299. When it comes time to select the version, I have the choice of
a) GSM Unlocked - ATT and T-Mobile 4G LTE with Global HSPA
b) Verizon
c) ATT - I am assuming this is a locked version???
c) other versions I have probably ruled out
After 2 sessions with Motorola on-line chat help, I am more confused than ever.
In the first conversation, I was told that the Verizon phone will not work in Europe, and does not have GSM.
In the second session, I was told that the ATT version is not guaranteed to work in Europe. Huh???? Have the specs changed? Or is Motorola support totally incompetent?
3) Through Telestial - Cost $799 - Really?????
Help would be much appreciated.
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I guess the GSM unlocked should work!!
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Buy the developer edition for Verizon. If you have a very old grandfathered plan on VZW, wouldn't that mean you have unlimited data? By upgrade, do you mean adding more talk time minutes?

@beachkatz, if you want any possibility of using the phone on Verizon, follow @nhizzat's advice and buy the Verizon Developer Edition X
Why?
Only The Verizon XT1060 (Dev Edition, Moto Maker, Retail edition) supports CDMA/EVDO needed for Verizon's voice, sms, and 3G service. Since the other X's don't support CDMA/EVDO they can NOT be used on Verizon.
The XT1060 supports GSM, HSPA/HSPA+ for global roaming
The XT1060ships SIM unlocked, and can be used with domestic GSM providers as well as global (some conditions apply)
The Dev Edition allows you to unlock the bootloader and root the phone and disable write protection, and does not void the warranty. The Moto Maker and Retail editions cant be unlocked via Moto, and while a 3rd party China Middleman (see thread in general section) has been selling unlock codes again, it hasn't been as consistent and reliable, and could go away at any moment) it would void your warranty.
because you can unlock the Dev Edition's bootloader and thus root and disable write protection, you can have better success when using the phone with another provider's SIM card, and their settings.
The conditions on GSM Use... the X supports the standard QuadBand GSM for global roaming, as well as the GSM bands carriers like ATT and T-Mobile use. HSPA/HSPA+ frequencies supported by the XT1060 are compatible with ATT in the US. T-Mobile support varies. Where T-Mo has completed their "network modernization" (refarming 1900mhz from 2G to HSPA+) the XT1060 will get HSPA+, but if you are in an area where T-Mobile hasn't, you'll only get EDGE.
The XT1060 only supports LTE Band 4 and 13. T-Mobile does use Band 4, I am not sure if ATT does, but if they do its not their primary band. LTE when global roaming will not be possible.
When trying to use the XT1060 with a GSM carrier, expect to be limited to HSPA/HSPA+ if you want voice to work as well. There are some tweaks outlined for getting the XT1060 to work T-Mobile for voice/data/LTE. Having an unlocked bootloader along with root and write protection disabled is crucial for this. This tweaks may allow you to work for other GSM based carriers that support LTE band 4 as well.

$324.

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$324.
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This is really the best choice. I love my unlocked Verizon Moto X. With a custom ROM it doesn't even show a trace of being carrier branded.

I just asked a related question since I have the verizon Developer Edition phone. Read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/using-verizon-1060-phone-uk-gsm-t2830139