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Poll: Do you own the Galaxy S? Have a lag?

This may give us some sense on how widespread the issue is. No answers based on informal fixes please.

Meaningless poll.
As long as samsung won't move the app data to the ROM instead of the internal SD, there will be a lag when opening some of the apps.
Menus flow swiftly, though.

Coming from a HTC Touch HD the lag is nonexistent in my view, what stutters people seem to be complaining about are pretty much nonevents to me.

mine had a lag (received today)...until i updated the firmware to JG3. BIG difference now

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Now this is new to me, is JG3 compatible with UK devices?

Pika007 said:
Meaningless poll.
As long as samsung won't move the app data to the ROM instead of the internal SD, there will be a lag when opening some of the apps.
Menus flow swiftly, though.
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It may be meaninless to you, but I would like to have a sense, before purchasing the phone, if this is a widespread issue or just a matter involving few noisy owners. If this is a widespread issue and I need to rely on Samsung's not so impressing update reputation, I may wait a little bit.

al74 said:
It may be meaninless to you, but I would like to have a sense, before purchasing the phone, if this is a widespread issue or just a matter involving few noisy owners. If this is a widespread issue and I need to rely on Samsung's not so impressing update reputation, I may wait a little bit.
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You have to remember, people who come into forums are the one with problems.
Nobody goes to the doctors office and say, "Look I'm healthy and I have no problems." and just walk out. Only those with problems or concerns walk into a doctors office, no?

ConceptVBS said:
You have to remember, people who come into forums are the one with problems.
Nobody goes to the doctors office and say, "Look I'm healthy and I have no problems." and just walk out. Only those with problems or concerns walk into a doctors office, no?
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Not these forums. People come to XDA not only with problems but to learn more about their phone and share experiences, especially those early adopters who buy the phone right away.

I sometimes have a bit of lag, but nothing that makes me think, "why did I buy this phone", for me the Galaxy S is everything I wanted from a Android phone, it's powerful, screen is beautiful and it runs all my apps very smoothly.

The lags happened very rarely and most times the phone is snappy. Such things happened to all phones, even my wife's iphone. Still much better than winmo where most things lagged big time.
Though after I switched to using autokiller with aggressive setting, I dun get the lags anymore. My free memory also stay above 100mb all the time without me having to kill any apps manually

I disabled the samsung widgets and i am alot better now.

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We don't have the same phone or we don't know what a lag is
When I try to delete a mail it takes between 10s to 30s. If it is not a lag what is it??
On the iphone I can't tel you how fast it is as it is less than 1 seconde
And I have flashed my phone to the new rom ...
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nicoloco said:
2 solutions :
We don't have the same phone or we don't know what a lag is
When I try to delete a mail it takes between 10s to 30s. If it is not a lag what is it??
On the iphone I can't tel you how fast it is as it is less than 1 seconde
And I have flashed my phone to the new rom ...
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But the thing with your example is, is it really deleting the email in 1 second or is it just displaying the email is gone and just spending 9 seconds in the background actually deleting it?
It's nothing to make it appear that the email has actually gone while it actually does the work in it's own time.

trinikartel said:
mine had a lag (received today)...until i updated the firmware to JG3. BIG difference now
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I was using it for over a week, then flashed JG3. Lags seems pretty much gone with this firmware.

I got quite horrendous lag at times on the original firmware (JF3).
Now I am on JG1 with the MoDaCo R2 ROM and Autokiller (set to aggressive originally, now trying on optimum) and I don't seem to get much lag at all, if any. It is like a different phone.
Unfortunately I did have to do a factory reset last night but that was other problems - I do hope that's not a regular occurrence though.

when I say it's a lag i mean that during 10 to 30 sec the phone is blocked with the popup box where you hit the button delete.
I must confess I don't reallycare if the mail is really gone or not in 1s ... what I know is that I have to wait 20sec to be able to open a new mail.
If the iphone is smart enough to display the mail as deleted and let me work on another one while it is really deleting the mail on the background ... it might mean that it has 2 years of advance compared to my phone as it is now. I prefer to believe that's not the case

last night I couldn't get the phone to accept my unlock pattern. had to turn it off completely and then turn it on again...
by "not accept" i mean the screen wouldn't light up red or green when i was swiping my finger over it and the screen would turn on and off.
I'm doing a factory reset now.
I also can't use the kies program - the mtp application flicks on and off.
hoping the factory reset will solve my problems...

SoreGums said:
last night I couldn't get the phone to accept my unlock pattern. had to turn it off completely and then turn it on again...
by "not accept" i mean the screen wouldn't light up red or green when i was swiping my finger over it and the screen would turn on and off.
I'm doing a factory reset now.
I also can't use the kies program - the mtp application flicks on and off.
hoping the factory reset will solve my problems...
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I understand that you may have issues but this has nothing to do with a lag, which is what this poll and thread all about.

I just tested mine now, I have the stock JF3(?) ROM that came with the phone, I deleted an email from my Hotmail, and replied to a different email in 2 seconds, no lag in email at all.

Tachikoma_kun said:
I just tested mine now, I have the stock JF3(?) ROM that came with the phone, I deleted an email from my Hotmail, and replied to a different email in 2 seconds, no lag in email at all.
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I noticed lag sometimes on my JF3 but only when using Yahoo Mail application (from Yahoo Inc.), it just stuck in black screen at either email-loading or going back for some seconds (and many times pop-up came-up to Force Close the application _but_ after some seconds application came back).
This is the only lag I am facing related to emails. Other lag I some time notice in Dolphin HD browser when opening it first time OR switching to new link. Default browser is very fast as compare to this.

[Q] 4 random questions...

I'm looking for a new phone, so if someone could answer these questions I would really appreciate it.
1. Is it possible to change the font size of the text on this phone for menus, sms, web browsing, apps etc.. everything in general?
2. Just something I heard not sure if it's true but, does the super AMOLED really use 2x the power for white color backgrounds than for ANY other color? That would be really bad for web browsing which I intend to use quite a lot.
3. How much does the battery last with only web browsing over wifi and music player in the background?
4. Any tips about Galaxy S or things you don't like about it? (whatever comes to your mind really)
thanks

Well , at least i got no problems with the baterry life at all , i can use it all day with music on and playibg games browsing etc... Also the super amoled is simply amazing. Overall i really like the phone at all points , the only disadvantages of it are the lag problem wich can easily be fixed and hopefully by samsung in the nearby future. Also its knowb that the gps is not working well but i didnt try this yet

be more specific.
the GPS works
the problem people are complaining about is that the GPS is not accurate enough for some people

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3. How much does the battery last with only web browsing over wifi and music player in the background?
thanks
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Do you mean 'How long does it last with just some regular web browsing and music playing ?' or do you mean 'How long can I browse the net for before I kill the battery ?'
The first one: the battery will last you just fine to look up a few things here and there and generally be a daily driver.
The second one: A lot less than you think. You will get maybe 3ish hours with the screen lit between charges. The level of brightness and other things on the phone can change this, but seriously, don't be thinking about spending a great deal of time with the screen active unless you have some source of power.
Either way, this is not a problem with the SGS, ALL phones with big screens regardless of os or manufacturer have problems with battery life, at least in the sense that they never last as much as you'd want to.
As for any other tips and tricks:
Check your GPS when you get it out of the box, then apply one of the fixes if need-be. Some people find that out of the box, they either can't get a lock, or there is a lack of accuracy. I got the first problem, but the fix works fine and now I can satnav with the best of them. The accuracy isn't perfect, but good enough. Before I have been shown as driving 10 yards off the road in a field but it corrected within 30 seconds and its not like it became unusable. I have never had a problem with using the navigation. It has ALWAYS got me where I want to be.
Secondly, for gods sake use a lagfix, even if you don't get lag. As you put more apps on and fill the memory up more, you'll eventually get some slow down, so you may as well nip it in the bud.
If you are going to buy a droid device in the near future, the galaxy is the phone to buy. Get one, you will NOT be disappointed.

LostAlone said:
If you are going to buy a droid device in the near future, the galaxy is the phone to buy. Get one, you will NOT be disappointed.
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Totally agree , even though still hoping that samsung will bring us a bugless froyo very soon.

Could someone answer the first question please?
Here I thought of another one... Does the alarm clock work with the phone closed?

Fonts can be changed depending if app supports it. I use lcd density changer. And of cause alarm works but do you mean when phone is totaly powered off? No idea
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3t3rnity said:
Could someone answer the first question please?
Here I thought of another one... Does the alarm clock work with the phone closed?
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Not sure how to interpret "phone closed". Screen off, yes it works. Phone in a case, yes it works. Phone off, no it doesnt work. If I've missed what you've meant please clarify.

alovell83 said:
Not sure how to interpret "phone closed". Screen off, yes it works. Phone in a case, yes it works. Phone off, no it doesnt work. If I've missed what you've meant please clarify.
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My bad, I meant with phone OFF.
Well.. that's actually quite sad. Is it possible to make it work with an app or by rooting the phone?

[Q] New N6 adopter, some customization questions

I'm on Verizon, so I just got my Nexus 6 last week, and I've still been trying to get it looking and feeling like I want it to. I already unlocked and rooted it. I'm working on getting Light Flow set up, but I've been having no luck at all. I'm dealing with the finicky double-tap to wake. I know there's apps to enable the stock battery percentage, and I have done so, but what's the best way to change how the status bar looks? Is there even a way, besides a new ROM? I know Xposed isn't available/stable for 5.1 yet. The percentage is so hard to read like this, it's making me miss my Note.
The battery seems a little iffy so far, so I've been keeping an eye on it. Wakelock Detector was is telling me "Proximity Sensor Manager" has been running almost constantly. Not sure what that is exactly. Any advice or help with these or other issues from those who have had it for a long time? I'd love the help. Thanks!

I also just spent 3 or 4 hours in the car with my headset on, and the battery drained by Bluetooth says 37%. Is that normal?? Seems like an awful lot, especially considering I only made one call.

Google play services is the battery killer for me, often using more than the display does.
As for mods on stock 5.1 ROM, I would recommend maybe Franco kernel (love the color calibration and vibration intensity adjustment) and the MoDaCo modpack for some nice customizations like percentage battery and center clock just to name a few.
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Is there a reason for the service to be using that much? That's kind of annoying. :-|
I've flashed ROMs before, but I'm fairly noob-ish when it comes to the rest. I'm on stock 5.1, but just unlocked and rooted, so what would I need to do to flash a kernel or a modpack? What are the pros/cons of doing so? The modpack sounds like it has a good chunk of what I'm looking for. Thanks for your response!

Well, with Franco kernel you just install his app and it will install it directly from within the app itself . . https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.franco.kernel.free
That is the free version of his app kernel app. It basically just does that. For all the extras his kernel does, you need to buy his paid app I believe. I am sure there are other ways to access them, but his app is worth the few bucks it costs . . https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.franco.kernel
As for the mod pack, you would start with installing a custom recovery. If you don't know how to do that, easiest way is download the app flashify, which will download and install twrp recovery quite easily.
The mod pack is even easier, download the 5.1 version from here . . http://www.modaco.com/page/news/_/android/mcr-modpack-for-the-nexus-5-6-and-9-r11-r1437 . . and flash in recovery. Would highly recommend creating a twrp nandroid backup before proceeding at all so you can easily fever everything you will be doing.
Sent from my Nexus 6

Awesome! Thanks for the links. For the modpack...it says near the bottom "Ensure your device is running STOCK LRX22C - use on any other ROM version will make bad things happen!". My Nexus 6 is LMY47E. That doesn't even seem close. Is it compatible with all, or only a few devices, or certain ROMs? Again, thanks for the help.

The mod pack is for stock or stock based roms. And if you download the 5.1 version you will be fine. What they are saying about the 22C build is for 5.0.1 stock, the v11 for 5.1 is what you want. I myself am on the 47E build and it works perfect.
Sent from my Nexus 6

greycobalt said:
I'm on Verizon, so I just got my Nexus 6 last week, and I've still been trying to get it looking and feeling like I want it to. I already unlocked and rooted it. I'm working on getting Light Flow set up, but I've been having no luck at all.
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Can't help you there, light flow is a dirty hack.
I'm dealing with the finicky double-tap to wake.
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Its probably finicky for you because Nexus 6 **DOES NOT HAVE** double-tap to wake. It has SHAKE to wake.
Which deactivates under certain conditions, like it woke from being shaken within a few seconds of this attempt without being fully brought to wake (by touching the screen). Or because the proximity sensor registers a "near" event (i.e., it thinks its in your pocket).
I know there's apps to enable the stock battery percentage, and I have done so, but what's the best way to change how the status bar looks? Is there even a way, besides a new ROM? I know Xposed isn't available/stable for 5.1 yet. The percentage is so hard to read like this, it's making me miss my Note.
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Why do you need to know that precisely how many "percent" the battery is at? Even if you think you know the "actual percent", you realize that it is only accurate to within about 15%? Its a rough guess no matter how you look at it. If the little battery icon is right up to the top, its full. If its close to the bottom and red, its time to charge. If its somewhere in between, its still ok.
The battery seems a little iffy so far, so I've been keeping an eye on it. Wakelock Detector was is telling me "Proximity Sensor Manager" has been running almost constantly. Not sure what that is exactly. Any advice or help with these or other issues from those who have had it for a long time? I'd love the help. Thanks!
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Some crap that you installed. Uninstall it and your battery will last more normal.
Battery on this device is excellent. Low/mid use can run for THREE DAYS on a charge.

doitright said:
Can't help you there, light flow is a dirty hack.
Its probably finicky for you because Nexus 6 **DOES NOT HAVE** double-tap to wake. It has SHAKE to wake.
Which deactivates under certain conditions, like it woke from being shaken within a few seconds of this attempt without being fully brought to wake (by touching the screen). Or because the proximity sensor registers a "near" event (i.e., it thinks its in your pocket).
Why do you need to know that precisely how many "percent" the battery is at? Even if you think you know the "actual percent", you realize that it is only accurate to within about 15%? Its a rough guess no matter how you look at it. If the little battery icon is right up to the top, its full. If its close to the bottom and red, its time to charge. If its somewhere in between, its still ok.
Some crap that you installed. Uninstall it and your battery will last more normal.
Battery on this device is excellent. Low/mid use can run for THREE DAYS on a charge.
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Way to troll a simple post with some request. You provided no information that was helpful to anyone.

greycobalt said:
I'm on Verizon, so I just got my Nexus 6 last week, and I've still been trying to get it looking and feeling like I want it to. I already unlocked and rooted it. I'm working on getting Light Flow set up, but I've been having no luck at all. I'm dealing with the finicky double-tap to wake. I know there's apps to enable the stock battery percentage, and I have done so, but what's the best way to change how the status bar looks? Is there even a way, besides a new ROM? I know Xposed isn't available/stable for 5.1 yet. The percentage is so hard to read like this, it's making me miss my Note.
The battery seems a little iffy so far, so I've been keeping an eye on it. Wakelock Detector was is telling me "Proximity Sensor Manager" has been running almost constantly. Not sure what that is exactly. Any advice or help with these or other issues from those who have had it for a long time? I'd love the help. Thanks!
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OK, for light flow to work you need the paid version. Once you have that go to settings/Device Settings and root, and check direct mode, root mode and run every command as root (you'll want to disable notifactions in supersu for this app or you'll get constant pop ups saying lie flow has been granted permissions)
Now go to notifications settings and, for each app you want the notification light, got to settings, the light tab and enable the light, scroll down and enable the mixer, check app controlled flash, select the color mix you want and for each color set the state to solid and whatever brightness level.
That should get your light working. You might want to check the "exclude from sleep mode" under each app as well.
The light works just the flash rate is somewhat random.

hlxanthus said:
The mod pack is for stock or stock based roms. And if you download the 5.1 version you will be fine. What they are saying about the 22C build is for 5.0.1 stock, the v11 for 5.1 is what you want. I myself am on the 47E build and it works perfect.
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Just finished flashing/setting up the MCR pack. It's awesome! Exactly what I wanted. Thanks so much for recommending it. Now I need to buy the full Light Flow and Kernel flasher, and see if I can manage those.
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OK, for light flow to work you need the paid version. Once you have that go to settings/Device Settings and root, and check direct mode, root mode and run every command as root (you'll want to disable notifactions in supersu for this app or you'll get constant pop ups saying lie flow has been granted permissions)
Now go to notifications settings and, for each app you want the notification light, got to settings, the light tab and enable the light, scroll down and enable the mixer, check app controlled flash, select the color mix you want and for each color set the state to solid and whatever brightness level.
That should get your light working. You might want to check the "exclude from sleep mode" under each app as well.
The light works just the flash rate is somewhat random.
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Thanks! As soon as I get paid I'm going to buy the full one and follow your instructions. I feel like I'm inordinately excited for a flashing light.

I think all I can add to this is try some custom Roms. On stock I get about 3:30 of on screen time, on Chroma I get 5:30 or more.
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Konfuzion said:
I think all I can add to this is try some custom Roms. On stock I get about 3:30 of on screen time, on Chroma I get 5:30 or more.
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I am definitely interested, but I sadly burned myself out on ROMs during my Galaxy Nexus days. Having to constantly redo settings and update nightlies and all that stuff got draining after a while. I'm really looking to just modify stock in whatever small ways I'm able to, which as of tonight has been awesome. More battery life would be helpful though. :-/

greycobalt said:
I am definitely interested, but I sadly burned myself out on ROMs during my Galaxy Nexus days. Having to constantly redo settings and update nightlies and all that stuff got draining after a while. I'm really looking to just modify stock in whatever small ways I'm able to, which as of tonight has been awesome. More battery life would be helpful though. :-/
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Chroma is rock solid, you can flash it and not worry about doing updates too often, unless you must have latest features.
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Konfuzion said:
Chroma is rock solid, you can flash it and not worry about doing updates too often, unless you must have latest features.
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Man, after reading the Chroma thread and looking at the screenshots, I'm veeeery tempted. I'll have to give it some thought when I'm not tired, thinking of redoing all my apps and settings makes my head hurt.

greycobalt said:
Man, after reading the Chroma thread and looking at the screenshots, I'm veeeery tempted. I'll have to give it some thought when I'm not tired, thinking of redoing all my apps and settings makes my head hurt.
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Just back up your apps and flash, you won't regret it. Do a full backup in twrp flash the Rom, if you don't like it restore your backup. Only takes minutes.
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Does anyone have any suggestions for messing with the vibration settings? The vibration on my phone is so violently loud that I sometimes would prefer the notification noise over it. Not to mention that I normally love haptic feedback when I type, but on the N6 it just sounds ludicrous, like I'm literally typing on a mechanical keyboard. Will any of the kernels let me adjust intensity? I heard somewhere that Franco kernel does, but it was never confirmed. The way my Galaxy Tab S feels when I type is phenomenal...I wish I could figure out what it's set to and have everything set that way.

greycobalt said:
Does anyone have any suggestions for messing with the vibration settings? The vibration on my phone is so violently loud that I sometimes would prefer the notification noise over it. Not to mention that I normally love haptic feedback when I type, but on the N6 it just sounds ludicrous, like I'm literally typing on a mechanical keyboard. Will any of the kernels let me adjust intensity? I heard somewhere that Franco kernel does, but it was never confirmed. The way my Galaxy Tab S feels when I type is phenomenal...I wish I could figure out what it's set to and have everything set that way.
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I use Franco kernel which allows for it. I set mine to 65 strength.
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greycobalt said:
I'm on Verizon, so I just got my Nexus 6 last week, and I've still been trying to get it looking and feeling like I want it to. I already unlocked and rooted it. I'm working on getting Light Flow set up, but I've been having no luck at all. I'm dealing with the finicky double-tap to wake. I know there's apps to enable the stock battery percentage, and I have done so, but what's the best way to change how the status bar looks? Is there even a way, besides a new ROM? I know Xposed isn't available/stable for 5.1 yet. The percentage is so hard to read like this, it's making me miss my Note.
The battery seems a little iffy so far, so I've been keeping an eye on it. Wakelock Detector was is telling me "Proximity Sensor Manager" has been running almost constantly. Not sure what that is exactly. Any advice or help with these or other issues from those who have had it for a long time? I'd love the help. Thanks!
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As far as the proximity sensor being active, my guess is that ambient display is using it
. If your concerned I would try disabling ambient display and see what happens. Again that's just a guess.

hlxanthus said:
I use Franco kernel which allows for it. I set mine to 65 strength.
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Yeah, I ended up getting it and trying it, and it's much better now, but not as smooth as I had hoped. I just set up my dad's S6 today and the tactile feel of the haptic on that thing is just...mmmmm. It seems like the motor they put in the N6 is just grossly overpowered, it even sounds weird.
Gimmemabrewski said:
As far as the proximity sensor being active, my guess is that ambient display is using it
. If your concerned I would try disabling ambient display and see what happens. Again that's just a guess.
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It was the ambient display, I finally figured it out a few days after I got the phone. Thanks for the tip!

[Q] Should I upgrade to 5.1 lollipop?

I just got my droid turbo about a week ago, and I've since Been hearing about all the battery drainage issues and charging issues, all of the apps I use are compatible with 4.4 KitKat, so I'm a little leery of upgrading because I use my phone a ton and the massive battery was the main reason I got it over an S6, and so if that is negated, is there any reason to upgrade?

Jordaneer said:
I just got my droid turbo about a week ago, and I've since Been hearing about all the battery drainage issues and charging issues, all of the apps I use are compatible with 4.4 KitKat, so I'm a little leery of upgrading because I use my phone a ton and the massive battery was the main reason I got it over an S6, and so if that is negated, is there any reason to upgrade?
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My Turbo never had any of the issues others had. Easily get over a day with moderate to heavy use; 2 days with light usage. I'm still on 4.4.4. If you're worried about it, head over to the development section and follow the steps to flash 5.1 without eliminating your option to go back to KitKat.

As is all too common in these forums, those who experience problems go out of their way to publish them, giving the impression that everyone has issues when most, like I, experience none of them. If you are comfortable with the rather detailed (but manageable) process for getting rooted and reversible 5.1, then by all means go that route.
Otherwise, if you are happy with KitKat, don't feel pressured to go to Lollipop. On the other hand, most users (but by no means ever all users) that have taken the OTA upgrade are just fine with the results, with comparable battery life and improved performance in some functions.

Most users have reported that wiping cache solves their performance and battery issues. In your case, I would recommend a full wipe after the upgrade, ask around and you'll find that full wipe after update has almost 99.9% success rate.

So today was my first day being on rooted 5.1.
I unplugged at about 11am, and am now hitting 10% battery 9 hours later. That should suck right?
Well I also wanted to drain my battery today so I just let my phone stream video (plex library ftw) at max brightness.. 8 hours of straight screen on time...
I think in a normal usage day (where Im not trying to kill the battery) I clock 2-3 hours of on screen time...
So if we extrapolate that out, I'm just guessing... I would've made it 20-30 hours of battery at my normal usage.
Is that good? Dunno. No worse than when I was on rooted KK.. perhaps, I think, even better?
I also dirty flashed 5.1 over my 4.4.4.. never wiped cache or FDR.
Hearing that, its up to you to decide what to do, for me I'm sticking with rooted 5.1 and couldn't be happier.

I didn't know you could root 5.1 on droid turbo

Kiwironic said:
I didn't know you could root 5.1 on droid turbo
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The breakthrough came from this thread yesterday: FrankenPop
Which then lead to this thread late last night: Instructions and first released image
Computerfreek released his image early this morning: Thread
Working from home has its benefits.
EDIT: I am surprised Droid-life or no other outlet has really picked up on this yet.

Well, if you can root 5.1, then there's are no cons to upgrading really. You can have customisation as well as the new user experience.

Kiwironic said:
Well, if you can root 5.1, then there's are no cons to upgrading really. You can have customisation as well as the new user experience.
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You can't root from the ota so do not update that way!!!!

Kiwironic said:
Well, if you can root 5.1, then there's are no cons to upgrading really. You can have customisation as well as the new user experience.
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Well if you go to the threads you'll see the root method requires 4..4.4 boatloader.. so taking the official update overwrites the bootloader to 5.1 and at that point there is no going back.
So for the average user, taking the upgrade is a major deal.. for those that don't mind some adb/fastboot work.. absolutely, go back and forth from KK to LP everyday! Just dont touch that 4.4.4 bootloader.

Thanks for the update. It makes sense now. We not talking upgrade vs staying on 4.4.4 we are talking upgrade path.
I see, I am still looking forward to finding a way to upgrade my xt1225 to 5.1 without data wipe, but so far there is nothing for us, no OTA or images yet. No upgrade path in sight

No. You would going from best to OK.

I upgraded to 5.1 and for me it was a mistake. My most valuable app (Record My Call) doesn't work with 5.1 and no other similar app will work either. I'm going to buy another another Droid Turbo on KitKat and sell my 5.1.
Ken

I updated both my and my wife's DT via the OTA. We didn't have root before and I simply haven't needed it, so I figured I'd just go ahead (if anything went wrong, I would have to harass Verizon, but so be it). In the end, both phones are working well (knock on wood)... and I didn't do the cache or factory reset either. Battery life is fine, even with some gaming... so it might be better than KK was, but it's certainly not worse for me.
emgo said:
I upgraded to 5.1 and for me it was a mistake. My most valuable app (Record My Call) doesn't work with 5.1 and no other similar app will work either. I'm going to buy another another Droid Turbo on KitKat and sell my 5.1.
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Google Voice does this without needing an app.... that might get you a solution for free?
Seems like there are plenty of updated apps that can work in LP as well: https://www.androidpit.com/forum/632761/best-call-recorder-app-for-android-5-lollipop

schwinn8 said:
I updated both my and my wife's DT via the OTA. We didn't have root before and I simply haven't needed it, so I figured I'd just go ahead (if anything went wrong, I would have to harass Verizon, but so be it). In the end, both phones are working well (knock on wood)... and I didn't do the cache or factory reset either. Battery life is fine, even with some gaming... so it might be better than KK was, but it's certainly not worse for me.
Google Voice does this without needing an app.... that might get you a solution for free?
Seems like there are plenty of updated apps that can work in LP as well: https://www.androidpit.com/forum/632761/best-call-recorder-app-for-android-5-lollipop
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This is from google Voice help.
"It's not currently possible to record outbound calls made through your Google number at this time."
Tried many recommend apps, none work. Found this information in a couple of places.
https://bitbucket.org/copluk/acr/issues/257/after-upgrading-to-android-5-cannot-record
"Motorola has stopped 2 way call recording support with Android 5. This is not our fault. Try any other call recording app you'll see that none works.
Your only option is to set audio source to MIC and set loudspeaker on.
I hope you understand and increase your star rating"
I'm currently looking for a used Turbo still on KitKat
Thanks,
Ken

emgo said:
This is from google Voice help.
"It's not currently possible to record outbound calls made through your Google number at this time."
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Thanks for the info on Google voice not supporting outgoing calls. I didn't need it, so I never tested it.
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Tried many recommend apps, none work.
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I did a quick search and the recommended app was BoldBeast Recorder. I just tried it with a standard voice call (not GV) I had with my wife (outgoing if it matters) and it worked just fine in Mode 1. After the install, it defaulted to Mode 4 and didn't work, so i was going to start with Mode 1 and go from there... but it just worked there, so i didn't have to go further. To recap, I'm on the OTA updated Lollipop... no factory reset and no cache wipe.

schwinn8 said:
Thanks for the info on Google voice not supporting outgoing calls. I didn't need it, so I never tested it.
I did a quick search and the recommended app was BoldBeast Recorder. I just tried it with a standard voice call (not GV) I had with my wife (outgoing if it matters) and it worked just fine in Mode 1. After the install, it defaulted to Mode 4 and didn't work, so i was going to start with Mode 1 and go from there... but it just worked there, so i didn't have to go further. To recap, I'm on the OTA updated Lollipop... no factory reset and no cache wipe.
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In mode 1 it records the call but like every app I've tried after the update to Lollipop it's using the microphone to record the call. My voice is loud and clear but the other person's voice is very faint or not heard at all. Did you get different results? Before the update "Record My Call" worked perfectly, it recorded the actually conversation somehow without using the mic.
Thanks,
Ken

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In mode 1 it records the call but like every app I've tried after the update to Lollipop it's using the microphone to record the call. My voice is loud and clear but the other person's voice is very faint or not heard at all. Did you get different results? Before the update "Record My Call" worked perfectly, it recorded the actually conversation somehow without using the mic.
Thanks,
Ken
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I did find my voice was a little louder, but my wife's was perfectly audible. Both required me to turn the volume up, but they worked fine and both were clear...
Maybe another mode would work better, but this was fine for my limited usage.

So I read these complaints and have decided to opt out of the upgrade to Lollipop on my Droid Turbo. When the upgrade notification screen came up, I just put no, and I haven't gotten a notification since. It's been a few weeks for me. A few other people in my family have the same phone. Unfortunately when they click "no" they seems to get the upgrade prompt again a few days later. I'm not sure why the prompt hasn't come up for me again.
Is there a way to stop the upgrade notification prompt for showing up repeatedly without root? I know that there are apps on a rooted system that can prevent the notification. I'm hoping there's a way to prevent it without root. Thanks for any info!

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I did find my voice was a little louder, but my wife's was perfectly audible. Both required me to turn the volume up, but they worked fine and both were clear...
Maybe another mode would work better, but this was fine for my limited usage.
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I tried all modes and mode 1 seems best. I tried many apps that use the microphone and they are all about the same. They work OK if you are in a quite area but a noisy environment or step outside when the wind is blowing and the microphone recorders don't work well at all, not for me. I'm watching Ebay and Craigslist for one still on Lollipop. 64GB models are bringing around $400 no matter which OS they are on. Mine should bring about the same amount that I pay for one with KitKat so hopefully it won't cost much to correct my mistake of upgrading.
Ken

Worth upgrading to Marshmallow?

Hi,
I have a Z3 Compact running pre-rooted Android 5.1.1 Lollipop. I got a notification about software update that i can't dismiss. i don't know if i should upgrade or not so force stopped the software update app.
What is your opinion about Marshmallow?
Are there any bugs?
Are there new features added and some features removed?
Is it worth upgrading to Mashmallow or should i keep Lollipop?
sorry i can't upgrade without user reviews

You can dismiss the update notification if you want (disable it).
MM has officially been out for only a few weeks and consequently is still full of bugs and problems.
The threads are full of the cries for help from the MM rom jumpers, oh the pain of being an early adopter.
Give it another month, by then it'll fixed.

Didgesteve said:
You can dismiss the update notification if you want (disable it).
MM has officially been out for only a few weeks and consequently is still full of bugs and problems.
The threads are full of the cries for help from the MM rom jumpers, oh the pain of being an early adopter.
Give it another month, by then it'll fixed.
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How do you disable the notification? For which app do I have to do that?

Dont update to Mm.. There is some feature that missed..like battery stamina/ultra stamina..and also the battery drain fast..
Im a z3 compact Mm user

+1 for don't do it (now)
For me I will stay for not specified time at LP (mainly because of custom kernel).

Didgesteve said:
You can dismiss the update notification if you want (disable it).
MM has officially been out for only a few weeks and consequently is still full of bugs and problems.
The threads are full of the cries for help from the MM rom jumpers, oh the pain of being an early adopter.
Give it another month, by then it'll fixed.
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Thanks. Is it safe to disable software update app?
i don't want unexpected bugs happen or boot loop

evildog1 said:
Thanks. Is it safe to disable software update app?
i don't want unexpected bugs happen or boot loop
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The next time you see a notification, hold your finger on the notification and the bar will turn black and you will see an information 'i' on the right side, press this.
This will bring up the notification option.
Alternatively, go to settings\apps\scroll to the right until >all apps > 'update centre'
Then - force stop, untick notifications, clear cache/data
You won't get any more notifications about MM and no this won't harm or damage your phone in any way. Your phone will work fine on 5.1 for years and years, it doesn't need MM

Didgesteve said:
The next time you see a notification, hold your finger on the notification and the bar will turn black and you will see an information 'i' on the right side, press this.
This will bring up the notification option.
Alternatively, go to settings\apps\scroll to the right until >all apps > 'update centre'
Then - force stop, untick notifications, clear cache/data
You won't get any more notifications about MM and no this won't harm or damage your phone in any way. Your phone will work fine on 5.1 for years and years, it doesn't need MM
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Ok i just uninstall updates, force stop, and clear data, but i could not disable the notification.

evildog1 said:
Ok i just uninstall updates, force stop, and clear data, but i could not disable the notification.
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If you have root, then go to the market and install ES Explorer
Open it, go to menu, look at the bottom 'tools'.
tick 'root explorer'
Go back to the top of the menu and find "home/device/system/app"
Look for "com.sonyericsson.updatecenter.apk"
Make a copy and save it somewhere, like Downloads.
Then delete the original in system/app.
If there is a problem you can always put the copy back in the folder, otherwise you will never get another update message again:good:

Didgesteve said:
If you have root, then go to the market and install ES Explorer
Open it, go to menu, look at the bottom 'tools'.
tick 'root explorer'
Go back to the top of the menu and find "home/device/system/app"
Look for "com.sonyericsson.updatecenter.apk"
Make a copy and save it somewhere, like Downloads.
Then delete the original in system/app.
If there is a problem you can always put the copy back in the folder, otherwise you will never get another update message again:good:
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Thanks. I just froze it using Titanium Backup
and i'm using X-plore with dual pane

Just like when Sony released 5.0 Lollipop, it was full of bugs and the battery life sucked. It wasn't until 5.1 came out that we finally got a usable ROM. Expect more of the same with MM. Wait until 6.1 is released before upgrading. Especially those who are not rooted. There's no fixes and no turning back for those users.
Sent from the only flagship device that can fit in my hand... Sony Experia Z3 Compact

Sorry to bring back an old thread but I just bought this phone secondhand and its on 5.1 and have received the update notification. Have the bugs that are in the above comments been fixed in 6.1 or is it still not worth upgrading to Marshmallow?

warzinak said:
Sorry to bring back an old thread but I just bought this phone secondhand and its on 5.1 and have received the update notification. Have the bugs that are in the above comments been fixed in 6.1 or is it still not worth upgrading to Marshmallow?
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For me, the most horrible is the delay when opening apps:
Lag manifests on this way: in response to launching app (Dialer let say) "window"/app pops up immediately but is is empty/white and only after a sec/two content shows up (for Dialer recent call list, favourites/frequent contacts, search). Minimizing app and immediately opening again is ok (it is in cache, background, memory), instant content shows up. But if I launch another app after minimizing dialer and then start dialer again - lag in Dialer is there. As if somehow Dialer is killed in background and need to relaunch again from the start (even full relaunch should not take that long anyway). Same as killing it in recent activities. All other stock apps behave this way. It is really annoying to see such a powerfull phone lags in this basic stock apps, as this doesn't happen on previous android versions (4.4.4, 5.0.2 or 5.1.1).

It would actually benefit you to DOWNGRADE to Kitkat...LP & MM are horrible on the Z3c

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It would actually benefit you to DOWNGRADE to Kitkat...LP & MM are horrible on the Z3c
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Indeed, I bought an iPad mini, downgraded z3c to KK and life is good.
I use my phone now for what phones are meant to - calling, occasional e-mail, messaging, weather, etc. Battery life is 4..5 days. The car bluetooth shows addressbook again (did not work with LP, MM).
I use power toggles as lock screen widget for bluetooth, wifi, hotspot switch. Lock screen does not require additional swipe. All other things, in reality, work as they work with LP, MM.
For heavy use larger screen is recommended anyway - for the health of your eyes first of all.

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It would actually benefit you to DOWNGRADE to Kitkat...LP & MM are horrible on the Z3c
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bookworth said:
Indeed, I bought an iPad mini, downgraded z3c to KK and life is good.
I use my phone now for what phones are meant to - calling, occasional e-mail, messaging, weather, etc. Battery life is 4..5 days. The car bluetooth shows addressbook again (did not work with LP, MM).
I use power toggles as lock screen widget for bluetooth, wifi, hotspot switch. Lock screen does not require additional swipe. All other things, in reality, work as they work with LP, MM.
For heavy use larger screen is recommended anyway - for the health of your eyes first of all.
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Really? What problems did LP & MM bring to the z3c? If it is just better battery then I think I will stay with LP...(unless its twice as good on KK). The camera quality is important for me, are any of them better/worse than others?
Do I just use a 23.0.1.A.5.77 FTF file from here and flash it using Flashtool as the instructions here? I have not rooted or unlocked bootloader, all stock.

warzinak said:
Really? What problems did LP & MM bring to the z3c? If it is just better battery then I think I will stay with LP...(unless its twice as good on KK). The camera quality is important for me, are any of them better/worse than others?
Do I just use a 23.0.1.A.5.77 FTF file from here and flash it using Flashtool as the instructions here? I have not rooted or unlocked bootloader, all stock.
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There is nothing wrong in MM.
Except for some people who do not use phone 12x7.
Since the concept ROM I was wondering why the battery gets empty even if I do nothing with it. The answer was Doze of course. Yes, I tried several ways for activating aggressive doze, but was not satisfied with these.
Then I decided to go retro and KitKat is all I really need, with its working STAMINA.
For camera I use Sony A6000 and you really can not compare real camera with phone.
If you use your phone heavily, please do not downgrade.
If you have smartwatch, please do not downgrade.
If you feel unsure about flashing, please do not downgrade.
If the warranty is dickbutt in your country - please do not downgrade.
If you still decide to downgrade, then yes, your instructions are correct.
NB! The flash will take long time. Be pacient. It seems to be stuck but it just stays in one place for 5..10 minutes and then everything is ok. I have not measured the exact time, but I was horrified at first flash - it really seemed stuck. Perhaps it is just with my phone.

Scared of MM, really?
Firstly its been out quite some time now, especially if you consider N has just been released to the Nexus range.
Stamina mode and Doze are fantastic, I get 2 days+ with my compact and it's on 24/7.
I also have audited my startup items and background apps to reduce load on then phone which pays dividends.
The initial MM upgrade didn't include Stamina but Sony have since released an update bringing it to the masses.
Your call in the end but don't let scaremongerers cloud your judgement, do some reading, reviews from good sources and make your own minds up.
I did and only issue I had, which I know probably isn't just down to MM, was the emergency dialling issue on lockscreen.
3rd party app cured that for me so now the phone doesn't sit in my pocket making random noises and dialling whoever it pleases anymore!

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It would actually benefit you to DOWNGRADE to Kitkat...LP & MM are horrible on the Z3c
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LP running fine for me. I only have 1 bug is video playback freezing while buffering.

asmetoma said:
Stamina mode and Doze are fantastic, I get 2 days+ with my compact and it's on 24/7.
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I've got 4...5 days with KitKat, phone is also on 24/7 (but of course, I do not USE it 24/7). No root.
It's not about scare - the phone is too cheap to be scared, besides there are many new phones to choose from with really good batteries.
However, I do not feel that I should change the phone and I like when I do not have to charge it often.
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Perhaps one should take into consideration that the workload of the phones has been increased a lot during last few years. Specially if you have smart devices etc.