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Confused by BL Unlock and Root/Unroot on DE vs MM versions

I'm a VZW Galaxy Nexus user who took advantage of the Black Friday sale on the Moto X Developer Edition (for Verizon). I guess I've been spoiled by how easy it was to unlock, root, take OTA updates on my Galaxy Nexus and both the 2012 and 2013 Nexus 7 tablets. I've been researching the Moto X methods while I wait for the phones to arrive, and I'd like to see if my understanding is correct.
1. Because I'll have a DE (Developer Edition) version, rather than a MM (MotoMaker) version, bootloader unlocking should be easy. I get the code from Motorola and follow the instructions on the Motorola website. Right?
2. For the same reason as above, rooting should be as easy as flashing custom recovery (Hashcode's TWRP 2.6.3.1 I think it is as I type this), then booting into that custom recovery and flashing the latest SuperSU. Right?
If yes to both above, then this is just as easy as it was on my Nexus devices.
What about taking OTA updates? On my Nexus phones and tablets, even with custom recovery and root I was able to take OTA updates (everything was basically stock). If I lost root (like I did when I updated to 4.4), I simply flashed SuperSU again from TWRP or CWM. Would this be any different on the moto x? I've seen posts where people with rooted moto x got stuck in boot loops after accepting the 4.4 update. Was that because they had a MM version and had to use PwnMyMoto or RockMyMoto or some similar exploit-method of gaining root? If I have the DE version, should I first flash stock recovery and unroot? Flashing stock recovery is simple, but how would I unroot the moto x if I had rooted it just by flashing SuperSU from TWRP?
Thanks in advance for the help.

GrillMouster said:
I'm a VZW Galaxy Nexus user who took advantage of the Black Friday sale on the Moto X Developer Edition (for Verizon). I guess I've been spoiled by how easy it was to unlock, root, take OTA updates on my Galaxy Nexus and both the 2012 and 2013 Nexus 7 tablets. I've been researching the Moto X methods while I wait for the phones to arrive, and I'd like to see if my understanding is correct.
1. Because I'll have a DE (Developer Edition) version, rather than a MM (MotoMaker) version, bootloader unlocking should be easy. I get the code from Motorola and follow the instructions on the Motorola website. Right?
2. For the same reason as above, rooting should be as easy as flashing custom recovery (Hashcode's TWRP 2.6.3.1 I think it is as I type this), then booting into that custom recovery and flashing the latest SuperSU. Right?
If yes to both above, then this is just as easy as it was on my Nexus devices.
What about taking OTA updates? On my Nexus phones and tablets, even with custom recovery and root I was able to take OTA updates (everything was basically stock). If I lost root (like I did when I updated to 4.4), I simply flashed SuperSU again from TWRP or CWM. Would this be any different on the moto x? I've seen posts where people with rooted moto x got stuck in boot loops after accepting the 4.4 update. Was that because they had a MM version and had to use PwnMyMoto or RockMyMoto or some similar exploit-method of gaining root? If I have the DE version, should I first flash stock recovery and unroot? Flashing stock recovery is simple, but how would I unroot the moto x if I had rooted it just by flashing SuperSU from TWRP?
Thanks in advance for the help.
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Yes to both questions. But no, you cant take OTAs with a custom recovery.
The problems only happened when people tried to root devices that didn't have an unlockable bootloader (ATT, Verizon). Other models are fine.

You need to have the stock recovery, and all stock files. The 4.4 OTA kills root anyway. So you just have to flash TWRP again afterwards and root with SSU.

GoClifGo05 said:
That's not true. I have VZW developer edition, unlocked the booloader the day I got and I received the Camera OTA and 4.4 OTA with no issues.
You need to have the stock recovery, and all stock files. The 4.4 OTA kills root anyway. So you just have to flash TWRP again afterwards and root with SSU.
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With TWRP? That's new. I know it works on stock recovery, but he asked about a custom one. I'll edit my post though...i can see how it sounds wrong.

No not with TWRP sorry.... It seemed as if you meant unlocking the bl blocked the ota alone. My bad.
Sent from my Moto X DE

GoClifGo05 said:
No not with TWRP sorry.... It seemed as if you meant unlocking the bl blocked the ota alone. My bad.
Sent from my Moto X DE
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Yeah that's why I edited the post. I worded it wrong.

GoClifGo05 said:
You need to have the stock recovery, and all stock files.....
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No problem. By "all stock files", I assume that I won't have a problem, since I haven't in the past. I haven't removed any stock apps, just disabled them (even VZW bloatware). I use stock ROM and just want root for Titanium Backup, Quickboot, tethering, maybe Greenify (but I don't think I'll use that on the moto x). Actually, I'm not sure about tethering, since the method I've seen for native tethering on the moto x involves replacing "VzwEntitlementService.apk" from the "/system/priv-app/" directory with a modified one. Would that cause an OTA to fail (assuming I had stock recovery)?

Yea just meant apps. If you can disable them from within settings then you're fine. If you modify anything in system or delete system apps via TiBu then the Ota will fail.
Sent from my Moto X DE

[Q] Major device confusion and ROM installing :s

I own a moto g XT1072 which I bought in the uk a few weeks back. Its a 4g single sim version. When I try to install cm12.1 thea it tells me my device is a titan. When I try to install a cm12.1 Titian it tells me I have the wrong boot loader. It is majorly confusing me as I don't k ow if I have the wrong boot loader, how to find my updated bootloader to flash, or if it is even the boot loader at all or if I have the wrong recovery? To be honest I'm not sure if I have a titan or a thea as different things tell me different devices. Any help would be awesome as all I want to do is flash cm12.1 but its proving to be a difficult task
Cheers

bigggzy89 said:
I own a moto g XT1072 which I bought in the uk a few weeks back. Its a 4g single sim version. When I try to install cm12.1 thea it tells me my device is a titan. When I try to install a cm12.1 Titian it tells me I have the wrong boot loader. It is majorly confusing me as I don't k ow if I have the wrong boot loader, how to find my updated bootloader to flash, or if it is even the boot loader at all or if I have the wrong recovery? To be honest I'm not sure if I have a titan or a thea as different things tell me different devices. Any help would be awesome as all I want to do is flash cm12.1 but its proving to be a difficult task
Cheers
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Sounds to me like you have TWRP for Titan and not Thea. You want this recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...recovery-twrp-2-8-6-0-touch-recovery-t3088800

mej0248 said:
Sounds to me like you have TWRP for Titan and not Thea. You want this recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...recovery-twrp-2-8-6-0-touch-recovery-t3088800
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I've only gone and bloody done it!! Cheers for the help

TWRP Moto G 2014 XT1069

Hello, I have unlocked bootloader and earned root acces in my Moto G XT1069. I'm with the Android 5.0.2 Stock and want to install TWRP (Under Fusion Custom ROM) in that, how I do that? I'm very thankful for you guys.:good::good::good::good:

In the general section there is a while guide for all this. Go read it and flash TWRP which is available for all version of g2

To Install a Custom Rom Safely, Plzz Help ... :D

Hi,
I own a Motorola Moto g2 (2014) Indian Version, 16 gb and i am running a stock firmware 5.0.2, rooted and bootloader unlocked. and i want to install a Custom ROM, So i went on to Youtube and find out how to unlock the bootloader and install Super SU.
After that i came to know about this site, and thought of flashing CM 13, and so in order to do that it was required to update bootloader, since it won't work on bootloader 4.4
So, i followed the instructions clearly and updated the bootloader and the TWRP Recovery , Both are successfull.
Now comes the problem part for me:
So when i browsed the xda developers site in the moto g 2014 thread , i came across this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/6-0official-indian-ota-zip-captured-t3299550
It said
So to everyone here. After updating to 6.0 I don't think it's a good idea to downgrade to 5.0.2 and update it with stagefright update over the air.
I made it and it hardbricked my phone.
5.0.2 bootloader version is 48.83
6.0 bootloader version is 48.86
So, don't downgrade your bootloader, it can cause hardbrick!
so, i got afraid, since i am going to install cm 13 nightly which is unstable and the bootloader already updated, will i be having problems when i restore it back to stock 5.0.2
and would it be safe if i installed cm 12.1 after updating the booloader or will it hard brick my phone. (since cm 12.1 is stable version compared to cm 13)
P.S Can someone post a link on how to backup before installing the Custom ROM, since i always see this step:
that is to make a backup using TWRP and then use advanced wipe to wipe the device, the only question is won't the adavanced wipe deletes the backup folder ?
And Is there any stable ROMS for moto g that runs marshmallow, + is it possible to install multi ROM twrp and Install CM 13 Along with the Stock Android

SuperSU Root & TWRP Recovery (XT1096)

Thanks in advance for any information/guidance provided! Please bear w/ me, I am pretty new to all of this. I apologize for any incorrectly used terminology.
I have a Verizon Moto X 2014 (XT1096) that I have recently unlocked the bootloader and rooted via SuperSU and TWRP Recovery. When I opened SuperSU, I got an error message stating that I needed to update the binary, but it was unable to be done OTA. I used TWRP to sideload the binary zip file onto the phone's internal storage, which seemed to work fine.
Using the same method, I moved CM13 (01/14/16 nightly build) to the internal storage and followed the remaining steps in the process.
Jump ahead a few days (phone seems to be working great & am running on T-Mobile LTE perfectly) and now I have a few questions:
1. Is my phone for all intents and purposes, considered Pure Edition since I have unlocked BL and rooted the phone?
2. I can download nightly updates, but when I try to install them, the phone reboots/does not install the build.. How can I download and install the updates OTA?
3. Is it necessary for me to keep the TWRP recovery/backup zip file on my phone's internal storage? (wondering b/c phone is ony 16 gb and the backup used a large amount of available storage)
4. Is there any way for me to have stock Marshmallow on this phone instead of CM?
Thanks again and sorry for the likely horrible explanation.
Daniel

dwilso621 said:
Thanks in advance for any information/guidance provided! Please bear w/ me, I am pretty new to all of this. I apologize for any incorrectly used terminology.
I have a Verizon Moto X 2014 (XT1096) that I have recently unlocked the bootloader and rooted via SuperSU and TWRP Recovery. When I opened SuperSU, I got an error message stating that I needed to update the binary, but it was unable to be done OTA. I used TWRP to sideload the binary zip file onto the phone's internal storage, which seemed to work fine.
Using the same method, I moved CM13 (01/14/16 nightly build) to the internal storage and followed the remaining steps in the process.
Jump ahead a few days (phone seems to be working great & am running on T-Mobile LTE perfectly) and now I have a few questions:
1. Is my phone for all intents and purposes, considered Pure Edition since I have unlocked BL and rooted the phone?
2. I can download nightly updates, but when I try to install them, the phone reboots/does not install the build.. How can I download and install the updates OTA?
3. Is it necessary for me to keep the TWRP recovery/backup zip file on my phone's internal storage? (wondering b/c phone is ony 16 gb and the backup used a large amount of available storage)
4. Is there any way for me to have stock Marshmallow on this phone instead of CM?
Thanks again and sorry for the likely horrible explanation.
Daniel
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1) No, you don't have a pure edition. The xt1095 is the pure edition. Nothing to do with the bootloader being unlocked or rooted. The xt1095 is called the pure edition because it is the only model that does NOT lose warranty after you unlock the bootloader. You have the xt1096, so when you unlocked it you voided the warranty.
2) The CM updates should work fine. Does it give an error?
3) What zip file are you talking about? Do you mean a backup of your system?
4) If you use verizon's service, no. If you use any other service such as tmobile or any other gsm company yes. If you don't use verizon service, you can flash the xt1095 marshmallow firmware. It will work 99%, the only thing that won't work is verizon service because verizon is CDMA.
Sent from my XT1095 using Tapatalk

2) No, it doesn't give an error. It shows a pop up message saying the phone will reboot into recovery mode to install the update. Note: this feature requires a compatible Recovery or the updates will need to be installed manually.
3) Where would I download the img apk for Android 6.0?
Thanks again!

AGISCI said:
1) No, you don't have a pure edition. The xt1095 is the pure edition. Nothing to do with the bootloader being unlocked or rooted. The xt1095 is called the pure edition because it is the only model that does NOT lose warranty after you unlock the bootloader. You have the xt1096, so when you unlocked it you voided the warranty.
2) The CM updates should work fine. Does it give an error?
3) What zip file are you talking about? Do you mean a backup of your system?
4) If you use verizon's service, no. If you use any other service such as tmobile or any other gsm company yes. If you don't use verizon service, you can flash the xt1095 marshmallow firmware. It will work 99%, the only thing that won't work is verizon service because verizon is CDMA.
Sent from my XT1095 using Tapatalk
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2) No, it doesn't give an error. It shows a pop up message saying the phone will reboot into recovery mode to install the update. Note: this feature requires a compatible Recovery or the updates will need to be installed manually.
3) Yes, I was referring to the system backup zip file
4) Where would I download the img file for stock Android 6.0? I'm using it on T-Mobile, not Verizon.
Thanks again!