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I've had this Nexus 6 since it first came out and now it's giving me signs of stutter (especially with the camera app or snapchat), the battery also seems to be wearing out, barely lasts me half a day and I constantly have to charge it. I want to upgrade this device to something much better, but I would like to point out that I am on Verizon so CDMA devices only, (I wanted to get the OnePlus 3T).
So instead I started contemplating on upgrading to the S8+ especially with that $100 off deal at best buy, not really interested in the Pixel XL though or iphone lineup (had an iphone for 4 years, its boring). I had a Galaxy S5 before for about a month or so and it had a defect in the camera so I got a refund on that and got a Nexus 6 instead and now here I am 2 years later. Would definitely love to give Samsung devices another try. Anyways, what do you guys think? Which device should I upgrade to or any suggestions?
Change your carrier. If you have Verizon, your options are pretty much what is available from Verizon, and all of them are going to have a locked bootloader, even the Pixel/Pixel XL. Switching to a GSM carrier like T-Mobile will allow you to get the device you truly want.
And, before you say "but I like Verizon", Verizon uses CDMA, and CDMA is a living fossil that doesn't know that it's supposed to be extinct.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Change your carrier. If you have Verizon, your options are pretty much what is available from Verizon, and all of them are going to have a locked bootloader, even the Pixel/Pixel XL. Switching to a GSM carrier like T-Mobile will allow you to get the device you truly want.
And, before you say "but I like Verizon", Verizon uses CDMA, and CDMA is a living fossil that doesn't know that it's supposed to be extinct.
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I see where you're coming from but switching to T-MOBILE is not an option, where I work and live I used to get little to no reception with them, from there I switched to At&t and the service was even worse, they're also very bad in customer support whenever I had problems.
Hence me having to stick with Verizon.
Then your only real option is to head to Lenovorola's website and purchase an unlocked CDMA device from them. It's the only way to preserve your ability to modify the device, since it should not have a locked bootloader. Samsung isn't an option as they lock bootloaders on all US devices now, plus there's Touchwiz to consider. Most of the other manufacturers focus on GSM because of its worldwide reach.
Have you done a factory reset recently? That may improve both lag and battery. Also, someone mentioned that the April update improves lag.
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Then your only real option is to head to Lenovorola's website and purchase an unlocked CDMA device from them. It's the only way to preserve your ability to modify the device, since it should not have a locked bootloader. Samsung isn't an option as they lock bootloaders on all US devices now, plus there's Touchwiz to consider. Most of the other manufacturers focus on GSM because of its worldwide reach.
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To be honest, I don't care much for modifying my device anymore, I use it as is for calls, texts, web browsing etc. Maybe the occasional file transfer between my PC and that might be all. And regarding TouchWiz, that is true, but I'm hoping there will be some sort of pixel launcher available to flash for S8+ in the near future or can get something off of the play store.
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Have you done a factory reset recently? That may improve both lag and battery. Also, someone mentioned that the April update improves lag.
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Right now I'm on Pure Nexus ROM and the functionality is great, the stutter is only evident when I multitask heavily which leads to fast battery drain as well as taking pictures. Can't tell you the number of times I missed those one in a million moments because the camera app took too long to load or take the picture.
Also I've done many clean installs, these sort of problems seem to stick.
Changing the launcher only hides Touchwiz. It doesn't stop the resource drain that has plagued Touchwiz since its inception. Hell, I could drop a copy of Nova Launcher on my roommate's unmodified SIII and hide most of the ugliness of Touchwiz, but I still would have to face the issue that Touchwiz is a resource hog.
If you're not here to mod your device then why are you here? After all, it's called XDA Developers for a reason.
Okay, that sure sounds like you need more ram. And considering that 64-bit is less ram-efficient, 4 GB may not be a noticeable improvement. If you can't get 6 GB, then (oh how I hate saying this) you may want to turn to Apple - they are rumoured to have better memory management.
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If you're not here to mod your device then why are you here? After all, it's called XDA Developers for a reason.
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haha you got me there, i myself am a programmer in C++ and C#, but aside that maybe I made an overstatement in not caring about modding. I'm still going to get root and have certain mods and tweaks like YouTube Ad Blockers and LSpeed for init.d changes, but I won't be as avid on it as I used to be.
I decided I'm going to get the S8+ and await root for it.
Since my phone has a corporate partition on it root is not an option for me... so I am waiting for Pixel 2. If I had to have a phone now it would be a Pixel. Touchwiz was so janky (and barely updated) on the last Samsung that I had I will not be going that route again.
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To be honest, I don't care much for modifying my device anymore, I use it as is for calls, texts, web browsing etc. Maybe the occasional file transfer between my PC and that might be all. And regarding TouchWiz, that is true, but I'm hoping there will be some sort of pixel launcher available to flash for S8+ in the near future or can get something off of the play store.
Right now I'm on Pure Nexus ROM and the functionality is great, the stutter is only evident when I multitask heavily which leads to fast battery drain as well as taking pictures. Can't tell you the number of times I missed those one in a million moments because the camera app took too long to load or take the picture.
Also I've done many clean installs, these sort of problems seem to stick.
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If you're OK with not modifying and/or not rooting the best phone VZW has, and I'm in the same spot you are - except I need to root and modify, is the Droid Z Force. It's an awesome phone - or hold out and pray the Asus Zenfone AR comes to VZW and is affordable
I know it only works on tmo or ATT, but I sold my Pixel, and got this phone, and no doubt, its the best android device I have ever seen or tried..
no real dev for it, but I couldnt care less, since its incredible just stock; plus I still have my shamu if I want to play around, but frankly havent flashed anything in weeks, I like this phone so much..
http://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/mate9pro/index.htm
Hi all,
I have searched to no avail, hopefully this is OK to ask and is the right place to ask it?
I have resigned myself to purchasing a new phone as it appears that my knowledge and expectations are lacking and not correct. Therefore I am looking at the or at least the most popular phone(s) that are supported with custom ROM's as I really want to be left alone and not have a $399 Leather Ikea Sofa follow me around 24/7.
What I would like to know is the following:
1. Does this phone have custom Rom support? Or is it popular enough for this type of support or customization.
2. I basically dislike all the carriers due to them shoving their bloatware, privacy invasion down my throat. I would happily pay for apps that work without tracking me and couches following me around.
3. I have Tmobile, intend on getting the phone through Tmobile, are there reasonably easy ways to Unbloat the phone, have admin rights on the phone, deal with privacy issues, and most importantly get updates all simultaneously? I know that once you Root any Android phone the God Carriers will no longer allow ANY updates to work. Additionally, my experience with Kingroot just switched devils.... I was able to deal with my phone and bloatware however traded for the same ads and bloatware with Kingroot. Maybe its changed, it has been a year since I attempted my last Root. Like I stated,, I would gladly pay for apps that are ad and bloatware free and keeping my privacy....
4. Are there better phones?
Your thoughts, ideas and links would be greatly appreciated. I dont mind a little work getting updates, I dont mind slow updates, or even using the Generic Samsung Android Version, I dont need all the apps in the world, I would prefer reasonable privacy more than anything.
Thanks in advance.
The Galaxy S8 isn't the best device for doing custom ROMs on. You need a device that is open without restrictions, the one that already good has root options and so on. I am not saying there aren't any ROMs for it... You can wait to see if Pixel 2 will be any good. I would suggest you to check out a flagship phones(if you want) and make a list of which ones you like and then search on XDA and check out the ROM section for each phone.
Any suggestions.... Im not to picky... I guess I should ask what is the most popular at this time and why???
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Any suggestions.... Im not to picky... I guess I should ask what is the most popular at this time and why???
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One Plus 5 is a great phone if you like flashing stuff. It doesn't have wireless charging, the display is a 1080P AMOLED, no mechanical image stabilization, and no official waterproofing. Other then that its great.
well, after the S6 ( i believed) samsung tighten up security on their phones, especially for a new phone like the S8. So customize ROM ( AOSP) is pretty much out the door for the S8( at the time of this comment). Well, if you really want S8, go with the Exynos version, since there is some ROMs available. And if you dont like S8, then maybe take a look, and some research at the LG G6, it's solid phone. Great build, good looking, and from a well-known company.
Get the Note 8 when it comes out soon. Don't get US Snapdragon S8 due to UFS 2.0 storage; US Snapdragon S8+ is UFS 2.1 (something like 300MB/s faster read when comparing). Don't expect to root anytime soon unless you get an international Exynos S8/S8+. I am happy with US Snapdragon S8+ but I kinda wish I waited for Note 8. I plan to root my phone as soon as a root method is published. Oh well, I'll just get the Note 9 next Fall.
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One Plus 5 is a great phone if you like flashing stuff. It doesn't have wireless charging, the display is a 1080P AMOLED, no mechanical image stabilization, and no official waterproofing. Other then that its great.
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Agree. OR Xiaomi Mi6 isn't bad choice also.
Hey all,
I have a Note 8 SM-N950J, the Japanese variant, and I'm curious about the hardware differences between it and the US unlocked version.
For those who don't know, most Japanese Android phones come with a whole slew of odd Japan-specific hardware features. This particular Note 8 has a Wimax 2+ radio in it, a TV tuner, and an integrated FeliCa NFC antenna, among other changes. I suspect that, as part of these significant changes, it's also missing a few things most of the other variants have, like MST for one...
My question is, how might one go about checking *exactly* what's different on this phone compared to, say, the SM-N950U? My motivation in this, ultimately, would be to see if I can get Samsung Pay working, although I highly doubt I can, as it crashes every time even when I've got the store region set to US. I know it has a Snapdragon processor, and someone in the root thread said that the SamFAIL method works for this variant as well, although I haven't tried it.
Anyone got any thoughts? I'm quite willing to post screenshots and do just about anything else, if anyone's curious.
The way I check hardware differences with Samsung devices is guaranteed to yield results. I go to samsung.jp and check the hardware specs of the device and do the same with Samsung USA website . I compare the two, then note any differences if any.
Samsung pay, don't know sorry.
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The Italian Authority for Competition and Market sanctioned samsung for obvious planned obsolescence for Samsung Note 4
Here the link:
http://www.agcm.it/media/dettaglio?id=fa6d94c6-b6a6-4353-9231-092f0f2f649e&parent=Comunicati%20stampa&parentUrl=/media/comunicati-stampa
let's begin to ask for explanations to samsung support and ask for an immediate upgrade to a better operating system
I want my note 4 fixed! It's physical new but software broken. Stock Rom and all official updates
According to this article (http://www.alphr.com/business/10100...ion-in-fines-for-throttling-phone-performance), the judgement states that "Samsung was said to have told Galaxy Note 4 customers to install the latest Android operating system which was designed to run on the latest Note 7 devices, causing the performance of the older model to noticeably drop".
I have to strongly disagree with this based on my own experience. I'm still running my N910C on the latest stock ROM (6.0.1) provided by Samsung, with probably close to 200 apps installed, and have no complaints about performance. Maybe if those complaining took better care of their devices and cleaned up every now and again with a factory reset they'd find things running more smoothly? I had considered upgrading to the Note 9, but recently did a factory reset and there's nothing wrong with the performance of my Note 4 for another year at least.
If they want to complain about 'planned obsolescence' they should address non-removable batteries which, I suspect, are one of the primary reasons for today's devices needing regular replacement.
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According to this article (http://www.alphr.com/business/10100...ion-in-fines-for-throttling-phone-performance), the judgement states that "Samsung was said to have told Galaxy Note 4 customers to install the latest Android operating system which was designed to run on the latest Note 7 devices, causing the performance of the older model to noticeably drop".
I have to strongly disagree with this based on my own experience. I'm still running my N910C on the latest stock ROM (6.0.1) provided by Samsung, with probably close to 200 apps installed, and have no complaints about performance. Maybe if those complaining took better care of their devices and cleaned up every now and again with a factory reset they'd find things running more smoothly? I had considered upgrading to the Note 9, but recently did a factory reset and there's nothing wrong with the performance of my Note 4 for another year at least.
If they want to complain about 'planned obsolescence' they should address non-removable batteries which, I suspect, are one of the primary reasons for today's devices needing regular replacement.
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just so you know, the ota to the latest marshmallow update for lots of note 4s caused the cpu to overheat, and thus frying the emmc. dont be ignorant and rude and come to the conclusion that ppl misused their devices and the such. your statement is ignorant! i have owned four note 4s and they all did the same thing.. ota was pushed and in turn fried the motherboard and or the emmc...
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just so you know, the ota to the latest marshmallow update for lots of note 4s caused the cpu to overheat, and thus frying the emmc. dont be ignorant and rude and come to the conclusion that ppl misused their devices and the such. your statement is ignorant! i have owned four note 4s and they all did the same thing.. ota was pushed and in turn fried the motherboard and or the emmc...
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I'm not sure it has been definitively proven that the EMMC problem was actually related to a software update. In any case, the statement should specify that only some Note 4 models were affected (as you say, 'lots of Note 4s', so not all) - to date I have not seen any reports of N910C (Exynos) models being affected. It was not my intention to be rude, apologies if I came across that way.
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I'm not sure it has been definitively proven that the EMMC problem was actually related to a software update. In any case, the statement should specify that only some Note 4 models were affected (as you say, 'lots of Note 4s', so not all) - to date I have not seen any reports of N910C (Exynos) models being affected. It was not my intention to be rude, apologies if I came across that way.
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Sorry. It's just that I am very irate with Samsung for ruining a perfect phone. Lol
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Sorry. It's just that I am very irate with Samsung for ruining a perfect phone. Lol
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they have to do this, otherwise they cant sell new phones. after 3 years, note 4 is still a decent phone and quite usable. I have no reason to upgrade.
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I'm not sure it has been definitively proven that the EMMC problem was actually related to a software update. In any case, the statement should specify that only some Note 4 models were affected (as you say, 'lots of Note 4s', so not all) - to date I have not seen any reports of N910C (Exynos) models being affected. It was not my intention to be rude, apologies if I came across that way.
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I don't think it pertains to a software update in particular...I think when the ota was pushed, it took unusually longer to update, thus causing the phone to heat up and fry stuff. This is why when I flash ROMs and etc, I put the phone on a frozen bag of peas to help with the over heating when flashing.
The question is... It's Samsung going to do something about it? I have a perfectly good Note 4 with no use at all because of bad software
My exynoss note 4 still works perfectly on stock rom after 3.5 years .
Only problem I got is ir blaster stooped working after an ota but other then that everything is fine.
I am considering replacing the battery to use this phone for another year or so.
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I don't think it pertains to a software update in particular...
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I would agree with this - I think the Snapdragon models have had a hardware flaw with the EMMC which is aggravated and accelerated by overheating. So it's likely the problem would have arisen eventually on a Note 4 with this hardware which was repeatedly exposed to overheating through gaming, wireless charging etc... or a lengthy update.
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The question is... It's Samsung going to do something about it? I have a perfectly good Note 4 with no use at all because of bad software
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It's probably a vain hope to expect that Samsung will do anything to rectify this now - in fact, if the overheating from the software update has caused EMMC problems, then it's now a hardware fault which can't be corrected with a new software update.
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My exynoss note 4 still works perfectly on stock rom after 3.5 years .
Only problem I got is ir blaster stooped working after an ota but other then that everything is fine.
I am considering replacing the battery to use this phone for another year or so.
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Yup - did a factory reset and clean setup this year with a new battery and it's like a new phone. Hoping to get through until the launch of the Note 10 - depending on what it's like I'll either upgrade to one of those or go for a Note 9, which will be a good bit cheaper by then :good:
Just so sad to leave behind my replaceable battery, IR blaster and 16:9 screen :crying:
I use AnyMote (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.remotefairy) for the IR Blaster, but found it would only work with 'Use Alternate IR Commands' switched on in the advanced settings.
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It's probably a vain hope to expect that Samsung will do anything to rectify this now - in fact, if the overheating from the software update has caused EMMC problems, then it's now a hardware fault which can't be corrected with a new software update.
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That's exactly my problem... E MC problem caused by software! I love my Note 4...
@burnin @jerryspring
Check out this guy's video with a simple fix for eMMC problems - he has posted it today in a few other threads on here: https://youtu.be/jLPHWtb0StI
See his thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/100-fix-galaxy-note-4-emmc-error-random-t3859448
Try at your own risk, obviously!
I may need help to do it... My hands shake a lot... I study electronic and I know my difficulties
Hi all... so the last samsung I had was a Note 3, and I'm contemplating coming back to Samsung.
I will need to root whatever phone I get, so I am just trying to get clear around what impact that will have. I understand that rooting will trip knox, and therefore Samsung Pay and a few other sammy-specific things will stop working. That doesn't worry me too much.
On my current rooted phone (Mate 10 Pro running Android 8), my banking app works fine and so does everything else I need. Should I expect that to continue with a rooted S21 UItra or should I expect more problems?
It's really hard to find a phone that ticks all my boxes these days....
With the current status of Magisk hide I'm not sure how long until you'll have to start walking on a thin line between updating Magisk and keeping the hide functionality.
Yes... I've been reading about that. It's the kind of situation I have with my current phone, sitting on Android 8 for various reasons. I tend to look after my phones so they last me a long time, but the software ends up well out of date.
I guess things just aren't moving in the direction I would have preferred them to...
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Hi all... so the last samsung I had was a Note 3, and I'm contemplating coming back to Samsung.
I will need to root whatever phone I get, so I am just trying to get clear around what impact that will have. I understand that rooting will trip knox, and therefore Samsung Pay and a few other sammy-specific things will stop working. That doesn't worry me too much.
On my current rooted phone (Mate 10 Pro running Android 8), my banking app works fine and so does everything else I need. Should I expect that to continue with a rooted S21 UItra or should I expect more problems?
It's really hard to find a phone that ticks all my boxes these days....
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If you're not worried about Knox or any of the Samsung services like Samsung Pay or Samsung Pass etc, then rooting it is going to behave like practically any other phone of this current generation. Third party app behaviour will depend on how well (and for how much longer) you can hide your root status.
The only difference compared to other phones like OnePlus etc is that you can never go back to full stock on a Samsung. That tripped Knox will always remain tripped and none of the disabled Samsung services will work, even if you flash back stock firmware. Also, some users have reported Samsung defying warranty (even for hardware defects) due to a software "modification" . This may depend on your countries' laws so YMMV, but something to be aware of...
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If you're not worried about Knox or any of the Samsung services like Samsung Pay or Samsung Pass etc, then rooting it is going to behave like practically any other phone of this current generation. Third party app behaviour will depend on how well (and for how much longer) you can hide your root status.
The only difference compared to other phones like OnePlus etc is that you can never go back to full stock on a Samsung. That tripped Knox will always remain tripped and none of the disabled Samsung services will work, even if you flash back stock firmware. Also, some users have reported Samsung defying warranty (even for hardware defects) due to a software "modification" . This may depend on your countries' laws so YMMV, but something to be aware of...
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Thanks, that makes sense. We also only get exynos where I live, another factor although it looks closer to snapdragon in the S21 than in, say, a Note 20 Ultra which I'd consider with sd865 but probably not with exynos.
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Thanks, that makes sense. We also only get exynos where I live, another factor although it looks closer to snapdragon in the S21 than in, say, a Note 20 Ultra which I'd consider with sd865 but probably not with exynos.
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you should also consider that when you root your samsung, you half its value so if you want to sell it you'll get half of the money and you can't trade in for a new phone
From a security point of view I would only ever shred such equipment at end of life.
I have never sold a phone, I just use them to death. However the point about value is a good one. I guess pixel and oneplus don't have the problem of root being irreversible and that is a positive for them over samsung.
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I have never sold a phone, I just use them to death. However the point about value is a good one. I guess pixel and oneplus don't have the problem of root being irreversible and that is a positive for them over samsung.
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I think it comes down to why you need to root, it's more complex than it used to be and has more consequences on S Series devices. For most it doesn't add up. Losing a few Samsung Services like Pay, Health and Secure Folder is one thing but losing your Warranty, all future OTA Updates and Security Patches is tough to swallow, especially on a expensive smartphone. Also be aware you're not obligated to aquire the Exynos SoC, Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloaders are widely available online. Based on what you've shared if you have to root your next device, the S21 likely isn't your best option. Pixel 6 or OnePlus comes to mind for users devoted to root access but both of those are clearly inferior to the S21.
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I think it comes down to why you need to root, it's more complex than it used to be and has more consequences on S Series devices. For most it doesn't add up. Losing a few Samsung Services like Pay, Health and Secure Folder is one thing but losing your Warranty, all future OTA Updates and Security Patches is tough to swallow, especially on a expensive smartphone. Also be aware you're not obligated to aquire the Exynos SoC, Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloaders are widely available online. Based on what you've shared if you have to root your next device, the S21 likely isn't your best option. Pixel 6 or OnePlus comes to mind for users devoted to root access but both of those are clearly inferior to the S21.
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Probably you are not rooting your device now a days and have many misconceptions.
- Rooting on samsung never risky, never heard any hard brick device by just rooting device on any samsung device.
- SPay won't work but - SPay still works if you have Samsung Watch, Also SPAy was best when it was supporting MTS technology nut now a days it is no more better than GPay and GPay working fine on rooted device
- Samsung Pass won't work but similat Google Pass will do.
- Secure folder working except on A12 but that's may be time being and dev may find solution.
- Samsung Health working
- Some banking/other app may not work but most of work if you hide root, If not then most of bank transaction can be made with browser.
- OTA won't work but there always you can flash full firmware with Odin or may be better managed with custom ROMs (Plenty of my users flashing dirty install)
- Rooting S21 takes just 10 minutes if you know how to OR simply follow guide available over XDA
Not mentioning the benefits of root here as it is not OP's requirement, Yet have to tell - People should have to think why they needs root. If there are valid reasons then only should go for it. Rooting is amazing and have plenty of benefit but only if you needs those.
Agree with much of what you've shared, especially, "people should have to think why they need root."
I used to root my device's but not any longer, current S Series models have much more customization options not to mention apps which retool software without having root access. But you're correct, there are definitely advantages which can only be realized after gaining root access.
But can't give you a pass on this.
"Rooting on samsung never risky, never heard any hard brick device by just rooting device on any samsung device."
That's a bit misleading, one may not brick their device accessing root but some do after they've gained root access. There's a reason developer's usually include the same disclaimer when they hoist custom roms. "Not responsible if you brick your phone".
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"Rooting on samsung never risky, never heard any hard brick device by just rooting device on any samsung device."
That's a bit misleading,
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Let me tell you again
Bricking (Hard brick not a soft brick that's common everyday) Samsung device is really really hard now a days
Only thing I know that can easily brick device is
Flashing wrong/corrupt bootloader with TWRP (odin won't allow wrong bl flashing) and that's reason I never appreciate bootloader sharing that can be flash with twrp or doesn't have md5 checksum built in.
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Agree with much of what you've shared, especially, "people should have to think why they need root."
I used to root my device's but not any longer, current S Series models have much more customization options not to mention apps which retool software without having root access. But you're correct, there are definitely advantages which can only be realized after gaining root access.
But can't give you a pass on this.
"Rooting on samsung never risky, never heard any hard brick device by just rooting device on any samsung device."
That's a bit misleading, one may not brick their device accessing root but some do after they've gained root access. There's a reason developer's usually include the same disclaimer when they hoist custom roms. "Not responsible if you brick your phone".
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I've rooted my Note 20 Ultra 5G with ZERO problems, almost a year ago. I think you have to do something really ignorant to brick your Samsung device.
Thanks for all the replies guys.
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I've rooted my Note 20 Ultra 5G with ZERO problems, almost a year ago. I think you have to do something really ignorant to brick your Samsung device.
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That's great, I've never bricked devices I've rooted either. I didn't mention bricking a device in my response to the OP. Based on a number posts we see user's soft brick their device without ever accessing root, by attempting to swap FW or CSC among others. For some user's a soft brick is functionaly the same as a hard brick, they never manage to restore the OS. I have no issue with rooting, it's one of the main reasons I aquired a device with an unlocked bootloader,
so from what's being said on this thread, tripped Knox in and of itself does not stop banking apps etc from working? if you successfully hide root from those apps with the usual methods, you should be ok with tripped Knox?
To share my experience and answer the question why rooting!! I've rooted my S22 ultra for multiple reasons. One of those, as an example, was applying the FLAG_SECURE module to take screenshots whenever I want. And many other reasons like disabling ads etc.
In my country S pass or S pay doesn't work even secure folder I've never used it in my previous Galaxy phones. So basically, all Samsung apps that require Knox are useless to me or worry about. The only downside was voiding warranty permanently and it's irreversible too.
However, I got back to stock ROM again since I spent more than 3 consecutive days trying to figure out how to make only two essential apps, for me, to work again: an NFC app to pay with my registered bank cards and a Hikvision app that monitors my cameras. No matter how hard I tried to hide root, even with the help of root detector app ,nothing worked out. To be honest, most bank apps worked flawlessly and even other government apps that usually detect normal root. Except for these two apps in which I've no other alternatives making me mad and reverting back to stock.
I concluded maybe there're some apps that detect the status of the ROM itself or device specifics like bootloader or SE instead of root and SafetyNet stuff. Just like S apps that detect 0x1 and 0x0 even with stock ROM. I believe devs are getting tired with Samsung devices since more and more restrictions are introduced. Just imagine if all apps work like S apps!! Once rooted .. your phone is done, even with stock ROM. Currently there's no perfect approach to hide the status of bootloader and root from any app. I'd be more than happy and root my device again if a developer comes with a clever way to get any app, e.g. Hikvision, to work in rooted and unlocked bootloader. This dream was so enjoyable during my time using HTC one when (mike1986) was handling this device. It was the golden era for me to taste the real meaning of rooting.