Hello XDA guys. Your webpage is awesome.
I have a problem witn my Z3C (5833) for a month now and I have tried many things with no success. I hope you can help.
My phone was updated to Lollipop not long ago (May - June to 5.0.2) and in one moment (I cannot tell exactly when) the GPS sensor stopped working. The Wifi and Mobile location work, however the GPS is dead. Phone not unlocked or rooted. Original Stock ROM.
I go to the about phone - Diagnostics and test the GPS.. and it stays as "GPS is starting ... the GPS couldnt be started". When I download GPS test apps, they dont detect a single sattelite. I also tried the *#*#7378423#*#** GPS diagnostics, "purged assistance data", and it keeps on "waiting for location update" eternally
Because of this I wrote to Sony and they answered asking me to do a phone repair from Sony PC Companion. I did the phone repair and the problem was not solved.
Because of this I thought .. hey, maybe Lollipop is the problem. So I unlocked the bootloader and downloaded Emma (Sony recommended flash program for stock ROMs).
Emma downgraded my phone to 4.4.4 (23.0.A.2.93). However I still had the problem.
Next, I enter XDA and downloaded Flash tool. I downloaded one of your stock ROMs: 23.0.1.A.5.77 - Unbranded - Australia (1288-4214) {4.4.4}
I installed it and nothing. Same dead GPS.
So now I have no clue what might be the problem. Maybe the antenna got broken inside? How can I know if its a hardware or software issue?
Any help would be appreciated
Additional data:
Right now I have the 4.4.4 (23.0.A.2.93)
Baseband: 8974-AAAAANAZQ-00005-05
Kernel: 3.4.0-g0961cdf Build [email protected] #1 Tue Aug 19 19:48:36 2014
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If the issue still exist with different firmware i guess its a hardware failure.
basti2909 said:
If the issue still exist with different firmware i guess its a hardware failure.
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How do I open the phone?
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Emi85 said:
How do I open the phone?
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I opened the phone. Now i need to know where is the GPS antenna, anybody know?
In sony it says its near the headphones plug. No more details.
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Hi,
I have the same issues. It says since about two months. 23-26 sattelites found, but no signal and no fix. On 4.4.4 was OK, since updating nothing anymore.
I went back to Kitkat but still dead.
Anyone managed to get it back without sending it in??
Same problem...no GPS.anyone with a solution??? New motherboard? Soldering a antenna. Someone's got to have a fix for this problem.
Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk
Same problem and even tried to update to Android 6.0 with Marshmallow and still no GPS. 23-26 sattelites found, but no signal and no fix.
Any updates?
Hello,
I noticed since some time the same problem. I did a quick search on Google, and the problem seems more then usual after one of the official updates by Sony. The problem is discussed on the Sony Xperia Care support forums. All the affected user seems to suffer not from a complete signal outage, but rather from a substantially downgraded performance due to a bad SNR value and poor signal tracking, as can be seen by using the GPS Test app.
Resuming what has been written in the threads, all the following operations seems not to solve the issue:
- factory reset / repair with PC companion
- downgrading to an earlier release
- installing a custom ROM
- returning unit at service
What is annoying is the total disinterest by Sony that seems to ignore the problem, maybe they only want to take time to better understand the problem. If anyone should have news about this please let me know, because the only solution for this issue for now seems to be wating for a solution!
Thank you!
Same problem. Original Kitkat. In May worked excellent. During August I mentioned,it dosn't work. Some photos had changed infos about time and date of creating. On camera disappeared SCENE function in manual mode. When I allowed gps function on camera, gps worked immediately. Unfortunately only once. Camera Blocks gps?
Same problems here...
Hey, same issues here. I think it's just really slow to connect. I've recently sent my phone in for a warranty repair with Vodafone. It came back and was still broken.
Today however... I checked my phone and itw as working again (for about half an hour). Now I'm getting nothing again.
I've tried everything suggested, even down loaded AGPS file etc. But nothing seems to work.
Mega frustrating!!!
the only way for today is replacing motherboard... sony sucks. never again
I just wrote on the sony xperia support forum, somebody talks about a fix they provided for the xperia m series that seems to be affected by the same issue. But for our z series it seems not to be any fix at the moment.
After suceeding the GPS diagnostic test in the settings once, the GPS seems to be fully broken with no tracked satellite at all (before it was at least tracking a few satellites with a very poor SNR, now nothing according to GPS Test app). Repeating the GPS diagnostics now always results in an error. I'll try the warranty return but I'm pretty sure they'll give me a faulty device, as many other here and on the other forum have experienced.
Same problem ... just got the phone days ago.
Any solution ? or do I need to return it ...
I had issues with GPS, could see satellites but no fix on any. after expired warranty I rooted it and used 4 different ROMs, worked on all of them. instant lock on min 6 satellites. I am aware it could be HW issues but this is my experience with this problem.
gnjurac said:
I had issues with GPS, could see satellites but no fix on any. after expired warranty I rooted it and used 4 different ROMs, worked on all of them. instant lock on min 6 satellites. I am aware it could be HW issues but this is my experience with this problem.
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I'm more and more convinced that this is a SW issue. Sony did something wrong when updating the firmware in August 2015. The fact that the satellites are visible comes in my opinion from the AGPS data, which loads the konwn satellite positions from the Internet. Instead, the problem seems to be the locking of a satellite signal, and it seems that something is disturbing the GPS antenna. If it comes out that this is really the issue, it is very disappointing that Sony didn't do absolutely nothing to solve the issue since last summer.
I'm using CM12.1 nigthlies and since about December/January I have the same problem. So a custom ROM does neither help nor prevent the problem. In addition to that, compass is uncalibrated and I don't get it calibrated again. Really sucks, last year I used the Z3C for lots of outdoor navigation, and suddenly something has happend which makes the device unusable...
I did root with kingroot and changed /etc/system/gps.conf as described in code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=81140#c695
Now my GPS is locking again.
Did not help for me. Currently I don't even get bad fixes, I get no fixes at all. Never ever, even after hours in the open. This sucks.
Hi,
Disabling google maps helped me. Before 0 sats visible, after disabling it locks within seconds.
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Hi,
Disabling google maps helped me. Before 0 sats visible, after disabling it locks within seconds.
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I had the opposite experience, I had no lock, I was trying everything, then I opened maps and I had lock in under ten seconds.
I wonder if it's a glitch in accepting the google 'we're going to follow your movements' contract. Because until I agreed to that, gps didn't work.
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Help please! GPS has stopped working suddenly on my SGS. I had an overclocked (1120 Mhz) SGS running Darky's ROM 9.3. Everything was okay till two days back.
I guess it maybe because of too much apps on my phone or the fact that my kid had dropped it once or twice. There were no problems initially. Then phone had rebooting issues.
I've since formatted it yesterday night and it seems to be okay in terms of rebooting and stuff. I then noticed today that GPS was unable to pinpoint me on GMaps. All I saw in Google Maps was "Your current location is temporarily unavailable"
I thought it maybe bad 3G signal and I tried it outside --> No detection. Back at home I tried with Wi-fi having ticked all 3 options in Settings --> My Location. Still no use.
I then decided to run *#*#1472365#*#* but nothing comes up --> NOTHING! I tried with the tool "SGS Info" (GPS Test/ Settings) and ended up with the same result. Other options in "SGS Info" seem to work fine.
Now I have a feeling my GPS may be malfunctioning or worse broken for good. Can someone clarify this? It would also help if you have suggestions in terms of any other tools, so that I can check the GPS unit of my phone!
Could be hardware more likely the rom or software malfunction .
best would be flash stock rom via Odin and test if its hardware you stand a chance of warranty repair with stock rom .
jje
^ Good advice. Stock ROM is always good to try, first, you may want to try what's working for me at the moment.
Download an app called GPS test. Try it in a few different areas of your house to get the best result, but see how many satellites you can pick up. Generally, I find I get a decent signal if I can lock 5 or more satellites. Gray means they are found, but not locked. They will be coloured when locked on. anything above 20 is generally a strong enough signal to provide a decent GPS signal.
I've found that keeping my GPS close to windows or "in view of the sky" actually helps my signal quite a bit, even if its just to lock the satellite, then I can bring it away from the window.
You may also want to read this thread, should neither of those help you.
The GPS on the Galaxy needs some TLC in order to get working properly, but with a little playing around you can find what works for you.
I went back to XXJPX - that's something that came in Dec 2010. Stock ROM from Europe I guess. But still the same issue. Thanks for the suggestion though!
I have tried putting a bit of pressure on the top portion of the unit. But no GPS detected Looks like I got to try to get it repaired. Now that I am on stock ROM I guess it should be fine in terms of warranty. Thanks for the links and your suggestions.
Well, know what; I tried again in a more open area (importantly in a not so remote area) and it works - at least in GMaps! I am still on XXJPX, so I am unable to say whether something went bad in Darky's ROM, but I am happy nonetheless!
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Well, know what; I tried again in a more open area (importantly in a not so remote area) and it works - at least in GMaps! I am still on XXJPX, so I am unable to say whether something went bad in Darky's ROM, but I am happy nonetheless!
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Theres the clue the killer rom Darkys.
jje
Hi guys,
Really need some help or advice here with my HTC ONE GPS. For the use of external SD card, the One I have is a J one, the Japanese version of it.
It came with Android 4.1.2 I think, and I am pretty sure the GPS worked fine then. I had my camera replaced by the seller due to focus issues. The seller flashed my phone with a new ROM too trying to fix my camera.
That's when the issue started. My GPS app would lock the satellites fine and fast, but can only hold up for 10 seconds before losing every satellite. Then picks up the signal again, and losing it again in 10 seconds. And the problem stays on. I have tried a few different GPS apps, no luck there. GPS status shows the same thing, it loses everything in 10 seconds and then start over again.
I don't think it’s a hardware issue as it does lock and works for about 10 seconds.
Any thoughts?
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anyone
Anyone please help with the issue.
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Anyone please help with the issue.
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I also lost GPS functionality, but that was when I tried a 4.3 kernel/ROM by dirty unicorn. I even tried running the official RUU to get back to as stock as possible on the latest ROM, but that hasn't helped. Can see GPS sats but can't lock. I'm going to S-OFF and flash the original ROM and see if that helps. I'll let you know my findings. Have you found anything?
no clue if this is still a thing; but on the older htc devices there was a command you could run from the dialer in a sense rom to reset gps status.
##GPSCLRX#
Hello everyone,
I've had my Xperia Z for around a year now and I have used it consistently with cyanogenmod with no issues regarding GPS. The only time my GPS has failed to work properly, I flashed the stock ROM and then the latest cyanogen build to get it working again.
However this time my GPS will not function whatsoever, I have flashed numerous stock and cyanogen builds to no affect. I have also tried every GPS app I can think of to tweak my GPS settings and try to see if any satellites will show up, however none of these approaches have worked. I have come to the conclusion that the GPS hardware must be faulty. Is there anything else I can do, or is it broke for good?]
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Hello everyone,
I've had my Xperia Z for around a year now and I have used it consistently with cyanogenmod with no issues regarding GPS. The only time my GPS has failed to work properly, I flashed the stock ROM and then the latest cyanogen build to get it working again.
However this time my GPS will not function whatsoever, I have flashed numerous stock and cyanogen builds to no affect. I have also tried every GPS app I can think of to tweak my GPS settings and try to see if any satellites will show up, however none of these approaches have worked. I have come to the conclusion that the GPS hardware must be faulty. Is there anything else I can do, or is it broke for good?]
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Flash the stock rom, go to service menu - service tests - gps. If it doesn't work relock your bootloader. I hope you backed up your TA Partition, because it would make it easier to sent it to repair...
Hi,
I have Xperia ZR C5503 phone about a year. Until 2 months ago I was using Android 4.3. When Lollipop update distributed I upgraded it to 5.0.2.(official)
But sometime after the upgrade my phone started not connecting wifi. It sees the available networks but not connecting them. The signal drops to lowest level about a second while trying to connect and it fails. Also I was using my phone's wifi tethering feature to share my internet to my pc. However wifi tethering is also not working. I enable it but I think it can't work as router. And lastly, I tried to send a file to my phone via bluetooth and it also enables but no other device sees it. I also have low sound on the phone and I can't hear people I am talking to.
So I got frustrated this saturday and downgraded to official 4.4.4. But it was same. Later I unlocked the bootloader and rooted my phone, installed recovery software. With that recovery mode I cleared all caches but the problem still countinued. Lastly I installed an unofficial modified kitkat to my phone but those problems still appears. I don't know why this phone is so problematic for me. I don't know if it is software related or hardware related. Now that my warranty is no longer valid.
Could you give me some ideas to attempt to solve these issues?
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Hi,
I have Xperia ZR C5503 phone about a year. Until 2 months ago I was using Android 4.3. When Lollipop update distributed I upgraded it to 5.0.2.(official)
But sometime after the upgrade my phone started not connecting wifi. It sees the available networks but not connecting them. The signal drops to lowest level about a second while trying to connect and it fails. Also I was using my phone's wifi tethering feature to share my internet to my pc. However wifi tethering is also not working. I enable it but I think it can't work as router. And lastly, I tried to send a file to my phone via bluetooth and it also enables but no other device sees it. I also have low sound on the phone and I can't hear people I am talking to.
So I got frustrated this saturday and downgraded to official 4.4.4. But it was same. Later I unlocked the bootloader and rooted my phone, installed recovery software. With that recovery mode I cleared all caches but the problem still countinued. Lastly I installed an unofficial modified kitkat to my phone but those problems still appears. I don't know why this phone is so problematic for me. I don't know if it is software related or hardware related. Now that my warranty is no longer valid.
Could you give me some ideas to attempt to solve these issues?
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i think you must have dropped the phone because wifi and blutooth hardware in sony xperia zr is delicate , i too have dropped phone 4-5 time but still i dont have any problem with my cell , approach sony service centre because i heard may problem of XZR problem of bluetooth & Wifi after mobile accidents
rkumbhar said:
i think you must have dropped the phone because wifi and blutooth hardware in sony xperia zr is delicate , i too have dropped phone 4-5 time but still i dont have any problem with my cell , approach sony service centre because i heard may problem of XZR problem of bluetooth & Wifi after mobile accidents
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Hi,
I had dropped my phone maybe 1 or 2 times but not from high heights.(~ a meter) But that was more than 5 months ago. I am having this issue since last 2 months and I am sure that I didn't drop or harm my phone in any way. However I wash my phone, do you think that could cause that? Just effecting wifi and bluetooth components?
It's not true about dropping the phone make that errors appear, there are many people with same issues, this phone have manufacturing problems, it's not software
My brother have same problem and he never dropped the phone. Just take a look in Sony forums.
Btw, my brother's phone lost Bluetooth connection, NFC, WiFi, Sometimes WiFi works making some pressing in the NFC spot some seconds, but sucks anyway :/
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It's not true about dropping the phone make that errors appear, there are many people with same issues, this phone have manufacturing problems, it's not software
My brother have same problem and he never dropped the phone. Just take a look in Sony forums.
Btw, my brother's phone lost Bluetooth connection, NFC, WiFi, Sometimes WiFi works making some pressing in the NFC spot some seconds, but sucks anyway :/
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How can i make the wifi stable? it drops in and out sometimes.
Wifi problem
my sony xperia zr has the same wifi problem it says scanning trys to connect the signal drops and again starts scanning..
I stopped the wifi service and restarted my phone and the wifi worked for a day and again the same proble.
Do anyone has a solution for this??
I have been facing the issue of wifi not connecting, since my upgrade to 5.1.1.
My research has led me to believe that the issue may be software based. However I'm not an expert in the field. And i was thinking of downgrading back to an older version of lollipop when the wifi was not dropping.
Can anyone advise on whether this may be a smart move, or a completely useless one?
Also is there a diagnostic protocol I can go through that could help me figure out for sure whether my wifi is busted physically, as some of you suggest here.
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Josette
I've tried the method "settings global put tether_dun_required 0" but when i reboot my Z5, the value comes back to 1 ... (and of course wifi tethering is not working, going thru USB is ok)
I'm discussing various points here. Check out everyone of this point and get a fair idea from where problem is originating.
1) Go to WiFi Settings > Keep wifi awake during sleep. Here the string value should be "Always"
2) Under stock firmware there are numerous battery optimisation. Some of them kill WiFi so battery can saved. Now disable this features if you want no drops in WiFi.
3) If both of don't work, head over to Xperia ZR General > Search for your specific device FTF. Flash it via flash tool. This should reset all wifi drivers. Don't opt or apply any battery features and use WiFi. If still issue exits then you're in bad luck.
4) Check for other WiFi access points. Check your own router's webpanel and see somewhere broadcasting and multicast signals are ticked. Also check your WiFi is at 100% of it's performance ( 100% transmit power)
5) Hardware issue. Most of the software part is not causing issues so it's safe to say a hardware issue is causing this. Now, long time ago when 5.0 was released for our device I read article regarding ZR. The user had constant WiFi drops. His issue was that his WiFi soldering was poor inside hardware. He soldered it again and his wifi drops were no longer a problem.
People also experience various bluetooth/tethering issue. It's important that people should gain knowledge about firmware flashing techniques so that device would get reset and you yourself could diagnose the problem. 1 in 0.7k unit has software/hardware issue in manufacturing. Sony provides diagnostic app, search in play store ( I'm not sure about this). Hope this answer helps many.
hii.. so did u get any solution for the problem ?
i am facing this problem since one month. i tried rebooting my phone many times. i even tried factory reset. but nothing has worked till know.
if u have any solution please inform me.thanku
Wifi Issue.
Hello Guys,
I have same issue in wifi after 1.5 Year of phone. Can you please help me on that. Does any one knows any other technician are repairing this phone? as SONY says they are not able to repair phone which even they developed. I do n't why such phones developed.
1. I have repaired phone using PCC.
2. tried reset
3. tried without stamina mode
4. tried with wifimanager app
but nothing works....
If you guys any suggestion any hope please let me know.
Thanks.
Happy stock user here using only official Sony upgrades (non rooted) on my Z3C. 5.1.1 arrived 3 days ago, I did a factory reset after the upgrade and woah, suddenly I have no more clean GPS locks anymore. It was working perfectly and now it locks in about 5% of all attempts and even then loses fix in a minute or so.
Tried to search around, clean agps data, refresh agps data, double check location services and what not, nothing helped so far. I just arrived to Greece with my family for vacation and had to find our apartment with a paper map - a pretty amusing experience anyway, not counting my wife's harsh comments..
Should anyone have an idea to counter this problem, it's most welcome. Should anyone have a similar experience with the 5.1.1 upgrade, this would be comforting at least..
Thanks and enjoy an otherwise brilliant smooth upgrade!
I seem to experience this as well. I regularly check the weather (several times per day) and I can hardly find my position, so I'll have to resort to manually type in my location (which doesn't provide me with the precise location prognose that I'm looking for).
same here, 1weather really struggles to locate my phone
Just by chance, are you also EU users? I thought maybe the 5.1.1 update defaults to some US settings and this might cause the problem.
What I tried already and did not help (to save you some time):
- removed Google backup and do another factory reset to avoid restoring some backed up settings which might be the cause
- various gps apps from play store which claim to fix/reset gps, with or without rebooting between attempts
- resetting gps settings from the service menu accessible via codes from the dialler
I'll also try to achieve root and install custom rooms from xda once I'm back from my holiday (assuming that I'll find the airport with a paper map )
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Just by chance, are you also EU users?
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Yes, I'm Swedish.
Have you tried GPS Status from the store and downloading the A-GPS data??
Yes, of course, many times with many different apps. Made no difference at all..
No problem with gps in Ingress or different maps while driving around in Denmark.
From the planet Nexus 7
kjozsa said:
Just by chance, are you also EU users? I thought maybe the 5.1.1 update defaults to some US settings and this might cause the problem.
What I tried already and did not help (to save you some time):
- removed Google backup and do another factory reset to avoid restoring some backed up settings which might be the cause
- various gps apps from play store which claim to fix/reset gps, with or without rebooting between attempts
- resetting gps settings from the service menu accessible via codes from the dialler
I'll also try to achieve root and install custom rooms from xda once I'm back from my holiday (assuming that I'll find the airport with a paper map )
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I'm back from my holiday. Downgraded to 4.4.4, rooted my phone installed TWRP and poured the custom rom 23.4.A.0.546 SLiM 2.6 on it. Still no GPS lock in Waze or any other location app..
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I'm back from my holiday. Downgraded to 4.4.4, rooted my phone installed TWRP and poured the custom rom 23.4.A.0.546 SLiM 2.6 on it. Still no GPS lock in Waze or any other location app..
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Your GPS hardware might be broken...
Theshawty said:
Your GPS hardware might be broken...
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Do you think yours is broken as well? Would there be a way to get certain about it?
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Do you think yours is broken as well? Would there be a way to get certain about it?
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Mine isn't broken, I can still get locks. It just takes it sweet time most of the time.
Yes, go into the settings, then location and enable "device only" (only gps). Then try to get a lock somewhere. If that doesn't work, then your GPS is broken.
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Mine isn't broken, I can still get locks. It just takes it sweet time most of the time.
Yes, go into the settings, then location and enable "device only" (only gps). Then try to get a lock somewhere. If that doesn't work, then your GPS is broken.
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See the attachment.. it seems I can get a lock too! It happened after 10-12 minutes of searching after clearing A-GPS data and after 5-10 seconds (!) it loses it and often also falls back to having exactly 0 satellites in both "in view" and "in use" (as if turning GPS off completely and restarting seeking from scratch).
I assume it's rather a software than a hardware problem then, or..?
I have a similar problem with andosm app. If I let the app open on the background with my screen off, when I turn the screen on I have a precise location with 5 to 10 GPS fix but 5 seconds later the GPS fix drop to 0 and have to wait 30 second to get my location back.
After upgrading to 5.1.1 my GPS stopped working. I was unable to obtain a lock in Google Maps (as well as the Service Menu).
I downgraded to 5.0.2 but the situation did not improve.
I ended up sending my phone in for repairs (under warranty). So far the seller has confirmed that the "GPS is not functioning as expected" and has sent it to the repair centre.
Hopefully I'll get it back with a working GPS eventually!
kjozsa said:
I'm back from my holiday. Downgraded to 4.4.4, rooted my phone installed TWRP and poured the custom rom 23.4.A.0.546 SLiM 2.6 on it. Still no GPS lock in Waze or any other location app..
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Have you tried with kk before updating to lp again? If it doesn't work there either it might be hardware related.
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Have you tried with kk before updating to lp again? If it doesn't work there either it might be hardware related.
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No, I did not - I was in a rush unfortunately.
I have had the exact same issue since upgrading to 5.1.1. I was convinced my GPS hardware was broken as I had tried all of the possible fixes I could think of (a-gps clearing / factory reset etc etc), I have sent mine for repair under my insurance policy, but they have already sent it back once without being able to fix. I too am getting GPS fix eventually, but it is very weak and I lose lock after 5-10 seconds, especially when in motion (in a car).
I am hoping this time that they just replace the phone. Will reply here if that resolves the issue.
Would be interesting to see if anyone was able to resolve this through rooting/custom ROM...
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Also it looks like there are others that are having the same issues (possibly since before 5.1.1 as well):
I cant post the url, but there is a forum on the sony website if you google for it.
it seems strange that this doesn't seem to affect everyone...
I'm not sure how it is for others but I most often get a fix now in a few minutes (without changing anything on the software or hardware side!) and it's so-so stable, losing it only 1-2 times per minute So it's very far from perfect but much better than a month ago..
I would _love_ to know what the hell is going on here. If nothing changed on my phone's side, I'm about to believe that it's a central issue..
Same issue here: Xperia Compact Z1
Upgraded last week and had no GPS since. GPS test receives no lock
Am running stock rom - Upgraded from 5.0.4 (i think) to 5.1.1
This is definitely 5.1.1 as had no issues before this. Bit worried that downgrading isn't helping anyone.. going to do some more digging and see if there is any fix for my out of warranty handset