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Can I control Chromecast with my phone without a wifi router? I would like to be able to use just a tv, chromecast, and my phone to stream from my phone. Does anyone know if this is possible or if it will be? I tried downloading a rented movie from Google movie and turn the router off at my house. I tried to stream, but it failed for two reasons. Google movies won't let you stream downloaded movies and Chromecast won't work without my router on. Did I do something wrong here or am I missing something? I would prefer to be able to rely on my phone's data and downloaded files. Doesn't anyone think this would be possible with Chromecast? I guess I'm ultimately looking for portability without the internet.
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Can I control Chromcast with my phone without a wifi router? I would like to be able to use just a tv, chromecast, and my phone to stream from my phone. Does anyone know if this is possible or if it will be? I tried downloading a rented movie from Google movie and turn the router off at my house. I tried to stream, but it failed for two reasons. Google movies won't let you stream downloaded movies and Chromecast won't work without my router on. Did I do something wrong here or am I missing something? I would prefer to be able to rely on my phone's data and downloaded files. Doesn't anyone think this would be possible with Chromecast? I guess I'm ultimately looking for portability without the internet.
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I'm pretty sure your phone/tablet/laptop need to be on the same subnet as the device so it can be found to cast to, hence the need to have everything on the same wifi router.
I think that you can tether it to your phone. You select which wi-fi network the Chromecast joins using the Chromecast app, so no reason that you couldn't enter your phone's wi-fi network.
I think the salient point from the above answers is that Chromecast seems to need an Internet connection for some things (like youtube). For Web pages the Windows chrome browser sends the content to Chromecast but other times (YouTube) it's pulling content itself from the Internet.
Once Koush's app is out hopefully you'll be able to stream more content right to your phone, so a peer to peer network might work better
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Jason_V said:
I think that you can tether it to your phone. You select which wi-fi network the Chromecast joins using the Chromecast app, so no reason that you couldn't enter your phone's wi-fi network.
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You could, but remember that Casting from your phone, computer, etc removes that device from being in the middle, and the Chromecast does the heavy lifting of grabbing the requested stream from the internet and playing it on-screen. Your phone's WiFi may be sufficient, but remember you're going to be pulling HD data over the cellular connection, and that'll probably be jerky and buffer a lot. It was neat to cast a netflix item from my phone and turn my phone OFF while it was still playing (and didn't skip a beat) to verify it wasn't using my phone for anything.
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You could, but remember that Casting from your phone, computer, etc removes that device from being in the middle, and the Chromecast does the heavy lifting of grabbing the requested stream from the internet and playing it on-screen. Your phone's WiFi may be sufficient, but remember you're going to be pulling HD data over the cellular connection, and that'll probably be jerky and buffer a lot. It was neat to cast a netflix item from my phone and turn my phone OFF while it was still playing (and didn't skip a beat) to verify it wasn't using my phone for anything.
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Good point. The handoff is amazing. I just would like the option for when I'm somewhere with no internet. In my opinion, this could be a huge deal breaker for a lot of people. Why make it so small, if it's not meant to be taken everywhere? But, who knows. From my perspective, it goes right back to the DRM issue with Xbox. I buy or rent all of the media I watch, but forcing me to be online anytime I want to view it is just controlling. It removes value.
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Good point. The handoff is amazing. I just would like the option for when I'm somewhere with no internet. In my opinion, this could be a huge deal breaker for a lot of people. Why make it so small, if it's not meant to be taken everywhere? But, who knows. From my perspective, it goes right back to the DRM issue with Xbox. I buy or rent all of the media I watch, but forcing me to be online anytime I want to view it is just controlling. It removes value.
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I would tether or use one of those mobile hotspots (I don't have one, but might if I traveled extensively) and stream that way at a hotel or even someone elses house.
Ohh, which begs the question, can the Chromecast store more than one Wifi configuration? I don't think the software can do that at the moment.. Would be VERY convenient to travel to known locations back and forth.
As for direct streaming of local video, i was able to stream MP4 files no problem using a Chrome browser tab. The computer doing the rendering needs to be a higher-end PC, though - right now I have a older 'media PC' set up that my Xbox plays DLNA from and it's just a glorified storage device, it didn't want to render those videos well at all. So if you have a decent laptop, and get Connectify (free PC software that makes your laptop a hotspot) you can stream to the Chromecast directly while out at a remote location.
I believe the ad-hoc wireless functionality was only meant to facilitate initial setup, not to be a content streaming solution.
Plus, I doubt your phone would be able to handle the computing stress required to cast content directly to the Chromecast.
Roberek said:
I believe the ad-hoc wireless functionality was only meant to facilitate initial setup, not to be a content streaming solution.
Plus, I doubt your phone would be able to handle the computing stress required to cast content directly to the Chromecast.
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I stream HD Netflix from my phone's hotspot, perfect. I play my xbox online with parties using my hotpsot...perfect.
My down speeds are better than most peoples ISP down speeds so I don't see this being an issue.
The Xbox Smartglass app works from my phone while my phone is giving my Xbox internet so I don't see why the Chromecast wouldn't be able to work either.
I emailed Google about this because I honestly don't see the problem.
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I stream HD Netflix from my phone's hotspot, perfect. I play my xbox online with parties using my hotpsot...perfect.
My down speeds are better than most peoples ISP down speeds so I don't see this being an issue.
The Xbox Smartglass app works from my phone while my phone is giving my Xbox internet so I don't see why the Chromecast wouldn't be able to work either.
I emailed Google about this because I honestly don't see the problem.
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let me know if you get a reply because i want to do the same thing but apparently this is the reason why it doesn't work
http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...android-phone-hotspot-ap-isolation-issue.html
seems like if you can disable ap isolation then it would fix it but i'm not sure how you'd do that
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I think that you can tether it to your phone. You select which wi-fi network the Chromecast joins using the Chromecast app, so no reason that you couldn't enter your phone's wi-fi network.
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I tried doing this on my Galaxy Note II (Sprint) using WiFi tether. I was able to get it an IP and connect to the network, but it wasn't pushing the DNS info (ie wasn't getting an internet connection). Unfortunately, WiFi tether can be limited in the it's settings and CC has only a few.
Unfortunately, from what I've seen, you are unable to store multiple networks on the CC. I don't believe it was designed for that much portability. I happen to have a laptop with me and was able to do the setup. Since I wasn't able to get an internet connect, I wasn't able to test if I could cast from the GN2. My expectation is most likely not. But I had a tablet with me too, and would have tested it with that.
As for how it would preform, I assume for Netflix and application with CC extension built in, no problem. Trying to cast a Chrome tab, that could be iffy since it would depend on well WiFi tether can handle the that much traffic and the PC.
I haven't fiddled with it since then. But it's definitely possible with some tweaks.
colonelcack said:
let me know if you get a reply because i want to do the same thing but apparently this is the reason why it doesn't work
http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...android-phone-hotspot-ap-isolation-issue.html
seems like if you can disable ap isolation then it would fix it but i'm not sure how you'd do that
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I don't think there is a way to disable AP isolation. I'm no network wiz or anything but I rally think it would be an easy update on their side to grant access to using our phones hot spot.
I also noticed that the Chromecast itself generates its own hotspot...I'm assuming to let other devices connect to it and cast to it.
I'm not mad that it doesn't work ($35 isn't a wallet breaker) but I am mad that I jumped the gun and used my 3 months free promo for Netflix =(
Well, here it is guys
Hello Troy,
Thank you for contacting Google Play! It was a pleasure getting to speak with you today. Unfortunately you will need an ISP to hook up your chromecast it will not work off of a hotspot connection.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to reply directly to this email. Also, you can visit our help center at:
https://support.google.com/chromecast/
Regards,
Tracy
The Google Play Support Team!
On 08/10/13 00:10:27 ********** wrote:
first_name_req: Troy
last_name_req: Wisniewski
email_req: **********
Chromekey_serial:
description_req: I don't have an ISP at my residence, I use my Galaxy Nexus
hotspot for everything which always works out well. I was hoping that the
Chromecast would work connected to my hotpot but it seems to have issues.
People have stated that it won't work because your phone has to be
connected to wifi as well but my rebuttal to this is that
Microsoft's "SmartGlass" app is used to control my Xbox, through wifi. I
use my hotspot to give internet access to my Xbox and my phone can control
it even though it is technically not on a wifi network, instead it is
providing the wifi. To me it seems this is the same concept and should work
with a bit of back end support on your end. I would appreciate an email
back stating whether this is going to be possible or not. If it isn't
possible I understand. For $35 ($15 with the Netflix promo) it's not
exactly killing me. The reason I don't have an ISP is because I would
rather not be raped (for lack of better words)
P.S. Google Fiber Metro Detroit please
static_subject_line: Chromecast technical question
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I guess the the next step is for everyone to quote this and spread the word throughout the other posts here at XDA and any other forums related to this topic.
iTreezy said:
I guess the the next step is for everyone to quote this and spread the word throughout the other posts here at XDA and any other forums related to this topic.
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bull****. they're just too lazy to do it. there has to be some hotspot app that has this feature or some kind of workaround that will be figured out eventually...this was the whole reason i bought the device, this would be the ultimate portable media center. i bet that kouch guy could do it...
colonelcack said:
bull****. they're just too lazy to do it. there has to be some hotspot app that has this feature or some kind of workaround that will be figured out eventually...this was the whole reason i bought the device, this would be the ultimate portable media center. i bet that kouch guy could do it...
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Listen.. I'm with you man. I meant spread the official word of google so we can move on to focusing on developers trying to help us out
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Listen.. I'm with you man. I meant spread the official word of google so we can move on to focusing on developers trying to help us out
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lol i know man i wasn't saying bull**** to you just in general. i already linked to this to the other post on androidcentral....hopefully this helps spread the word.
Kinda late to the party here, but just FYI I have my CC tethered to my Sprint SGS4 using the native hotspot app. Did the set up using my N10, using the chromecast app.
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So, Ive been scouring the internet looking for some sort of simple, portable, wireless method to stream content from my Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 to a TV... with the most obvious thought of HDMI adapters and dongles. Obviously one of the leading search results and hype is "Chromecast" which led me here. I was hoping I could confirm the following and see if any progress has been made:
1. Can the Chromecast be used to stream content on a mobile device? Or is it still based strictly on app based media?
2. I doubt much progress has been made in this area, so I really doubt "screencasting" from a mobile device (tablet/phone) is possible, especially without internet connection.
3. Can Chromecast be supported by a portable wifi hotspot yet? or is it still strictly dependent on a ISP to router WiFi connection?
4. If Chromecast doesn't do it, then has any one found any devices that allows you to stream your tablet/phone to a tv wirelessly the same way that you can do if you have the MHL to HDMI cables?
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So, Ive been scouring the internet looking for some sort of simple, portable, wireless method to stream content from my Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 to a TV... with the most obvious thought of HDMI adapters and dongles. Obviously one of the leading search results and hype is "Chromecast" which led me here. I was hoping I could confirm the following and see if any progress has been made:
1. Can the Chromecast be used to stream content on a mobile device? Or is it still based strictly on app based media?
2. I doubt much progress has been made in this area, so I really doubt "screencasting" from a mobile device (tablet/phone) is possible, especially without internet connection.
3. Can Chromecast be supported by a portable wifi hotspot yet? or is it still strictly dependent on a ISP to router WiFi connection?
4. If Chromecast doesn't do it, then has any one found any devices that allows you to stream your tablet/phone to a tv wirelessly the same way that you can do if you have the MHL to HDMI cables?
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Read the Stickies first.
3. As long as your hotspot does not isolates clients or the AP itself, does not block or mangle multicast, and has sufficient bitrate to get the Internet-based media you want, it should work.
4. Wireless HDMI transmitter/receiver, but those cost in the $150+ range for good reason - latency is the biggest enemy. That's why applying the same mechanism that desktop Chrome tab casting won't work. It'll overload the CPU of the phone/tablet with compression and it will still have lag.
Hi,
Do I need a standalone WiFi network available to cast from my device to the TV or not?
Will I be able to go to friend and cast something from my tablet to his TV even thou he does not have WiFi at home?
Yes, you need a WiFi network and an Internet connection accessible from that.
If you just have your tablet and Chromecast, the Chromecast won't be able to find a network, as your tablet is not a WiFi access point.
I don't know of anyone who has tried setting up their phone/tablet as a WiFi hot spot and connecting Chromecast to that. I'm not certain how Android hotspot NATs and/or isolates clients.
Best to just bring a small wireless router. There are a number of "travel router" devices that have an internal battery or can be powered via USB.
Connect it to your friend's Internet connection, then off you go.
If the goal is just to show stuff from your tablet on your friend's TV, it might be easier/cheaper to just go hardwired with an HDMI or VGA output adapter for your tablet, if it has that option.
bhiga said:
I don't know of anyone who has tried setting up their phone/tablet as a WiFi hot spot and connecting Chromecast to that. I'm not certain how Android hotspot NATs and/or isolates clients.
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ooOOoo interesting idea.
I'll have to try that this weekend.
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ooOOoo interesting idea.
I'll have to try that this weekend.
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Remember that Chromecast still needs a connection to the Internet in order to negotiate the application launch.
Thus the Hotspot. Just might work.
My friend is technologically challenged
He's got no internet at home apart from out mobile phones which we can use for internet at his place...
So, can I use my phone's Wifi hotspot to and use my phone/tablet to stream the web to his TV?
How does the Chrome cast work? Is the tablet interphase only used to set up a link between the dongle and the wifi sender/ router?
For native apps, Chromecast works more like a your phone/tablet in the fact that it pulls the requested data and plays on its own. The video isn't going from the Internet to your phone/tablet, then from your phone/tablet to the Chromecast, your phone/tablet "hands off" the request to the Chromecast and the video goes directly from the Internet to the Chromecast. The control via tablet/phone is done through a "side" channel that Chromecast listens on, which also lets your phone/tablet know what Chromecast is doing.
For example, YouTube...
You open YouTube on your phone/tablet
You find a video
You cast it to your Chromecast
Chromecast "phones home" to Google to figure out how to handle the request (I think)
Google replies with "Use the YouTube app"
Chromecast runs its YouTube app to open the link and starts playing
While it's playing on, Chromecast sends its status to your phone/tablet and listens for control commands.
So... Using your phone's WiFi Hotspot for the Chromecast might (should?) work, and what'll happen is Chromecast will connect to your phone via WiFi, and your phone will connect to Internet via mobile network.
In this case the streaming performance will be limited by both your phone's mobile data speed as well as the WiFi connection speed/stability between your phone and the Chromecast.
While I don't necessarily think this will provide a good viewing experience, it's an interesting experiment.
If you have a rooted Chromecast with Kyocast, you should be able to use the un-timebombed AllCast/AirCast to stream video stored on your phone to the Chromecast. It'll still use mobile data to "phone home" (to the Kyocast server) to figure out how to deal with the request, which will launch the AllCast/AirCast magic. From there I believe the video data will stream directly from your phone to the Chromecast, not using your mobile data... I think.
bhiga said:
For native apps, Chromecast works more like a your phone/tablet in the fact that it pulls the requested data and plays on its own. The video isn't going from the Internet to your phone/tablet, then from your phone/tablet to the Chromecast, your phone/tablet "hands off" the request to the Chromecast and the video goes directly from the Internet to the Chromecast. The control via tablet/phone is done through a "side" channel that Chromecast listens on, which also lets your phone/tablet know what Chromecast is doing.
For example, YouTube...
You open YouTube on your phone/tablet
You find a video
You cast it to your Chromecast
Chromecast "phones home" to Google to figure out how to handle the request (I think)
Google replies with "Use the YouTube app"
Chromecast runs its YouTube app to open the link and starts playing
While it's playing on, Chromecast sends its status to your phone/tablet and listens for control commands.
So... Using your phone's WiFi Hotspot for the Chromecast might (should?) work, and what'll happen is Chromecast will connect to your phone via WiFi, and your phone will connect to Internet via mobile network.
In this case the streaming performance will be limited by both your phone's mobile data speed as well as the WiFi connection speed/stability between your phone and the Chromecast.
While I don't necessarily think this will provide a good viewing experience, it's an interesting experiment.
If you have a rooted Chromecast with Kyocast, you should be able to use the un-timebombed AllCast/AirCast to stream video stored on your phone to the Chromecast. It'll still use mobile data to "phone home" (to the Kyocast server) to figure out how to deal with the request, which will launch the AllCast/AirCast magic. From there I believe the video data will stream directly from your phone to the Chromecast, not using your mobile data... I think.
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Thanx so much for all this data. Not sure whether I wanna try the rooting now. Will wait to see what Google has in store in the next month. It's rooting the dongle easy? Rooting phones comes naturally by now...
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It's really easy with Flashcast but if your Chromecast has been connected to the Internet for more than a few minutes then it has probably auto updated to a non-root able state.
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ooOOoo interesting idea.
I'll have to try that this weekend.
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I've been doing that for weeks now, if you access 3G (4G) from your device then set it as an access point, and connect to its network with CC. Then all you need is something else to connect to Netflix and the same WiFi access point (a tablet for example or another phone) and you can send it to CC.
The other device is necessary because the Netflix app doesn't show the CC share icon when connected to 3G, whereas on the other device because it's connected to 3G through a mobile WiFi access point it does.
You could use a MiFi instead.
I use it in hotels this way with the CC plugged into the hotel TV (if I'm lucky)
So, at work I don't have internet, but I have my phone, and I have a chromecast on the tv. I use my phones hotspot all the time for my ipad and laptop with no problem. I have my chromecast setup on my Nexus 5's hotspot as it's internet connection. It works fine if I use my ipad to push content to the chromecast, but on the phone, all apps hide the chromecast option.
So basically the chromecast is invisible to the Nexus 5. I guess because the Nexus 5 is technically the Chromecast's router, and not a fellow client. There are a lot more apps that have chromecast support, so to get this working from my phone would be great. Is there a way?
I use my phone hotspot and play videos all the time. You can use video caster and chrome beta. I tried Netflix and Youtube but didn't have any luck.
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I would think that putting the phone into tether mode changes the way the networking works and would prevent it from making direct outgoing connections to anything other than the Internet.
I could be dead wrong however.
The problem with Hotspot/tether is that the Chomecast can't see the phone because of AP isolation built into Android. Chromecast or any "client' connected to the hotspot can see the Internet as that is what hotspot is for; connecting clients to the Internet... If you connect a second client to the hotspot I believe it can see an control Chromecast..
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The problem with Hotspot/tether is that the Chomecast can't see the phone because of AP isolation built into Android. Chromecast or any "client' connected to the hotspot can see the Internet as that is what hotspot is for; connecting clients to the Internet... If you connect a second client to the hotspot I believe it can see an control Chromecast..
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Right.... basically the phone is not on the Tether IP subnet and therefore can not communicate with any device that has a Tether IP address. So Android itself has no access to this subnet it is just internet connection sharing with that subnet.
Not exactly a perfect technical description of what is going on but in the ballpark.
Only the App that is doing the tethering is actually seeing the Tether IP the rest of the phone has no access to it.
Put the phone into hotspot mode, use your tablet to navigate and play. I've done it
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ArkAngel06 said:
So, at work I don't have internet, but I have my phone, and I have a chromecast on the tv. I use my phones hotspot all the time for my ipad and laptop with no problem. I have my chromecast setup on my Nexus 5's hotspot as it's internet connection. It works fine if I use my ipad to push content to the chromecast, but on the phone, all apps hide the chromecast option.
So basically the chromecast is invisible to the Nexus 5. I guess because the Nexus 5 is technically the Chromecast's router, and not a fellow client. There are a lot more apps that have chromecast support, so to get this working from my phone would be great. Is there a way?
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I've been able to use AVIA in the configuration you're referring to.
If the network has internet initially, it buys me the time to enable screen casting after which the link remains up. The problem is when powering on the chromecast without internet access. It effectively disables the device and makes it invisible to the screen cast search.
Is there any way to circumvent this limitation? I don't need the chromecast to have any access to the internet at all for my usage.
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If the network has internet initially, it buys me the time to enable screen casting after which the link remains up. The problem is when powering on the chromecast without internet access. It effectively disables the device and makes it invisible to the screen cast search.
Is there any way to circumvent this limitation? I don't need the chromecast to have any access to the internet at all for my usage.
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Nope the CCast needs Internet to load the app it uses to display your screen or anything that is being streamed to it!
Asphyx said:
Nope the CCast needs Internet to load the app it uses to display your screen or anything that is being streamed to it!
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So it might be theoretically possible to supply that app in the closed network?
It doesn't need the internet for screen casting at all, just the in-app chromecast link, which I don't use at all. I just use the mirroring functionality.
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So it might be theoretically possible to supply that app in the closed network?
It doesn't need the internet for screen casting at all, just the in-app chromecast link, which I don't use at all. I just use the mirroring functionality.
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Nope!
Not unless it is rooted and you have your own local Whitelisting that points to your own app....
And you would STILL have to fnd some way of downloading and storing a local version of the mirroring app that is normally loaded from the internet to point to with your custom whitelist.
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Nope!
Not unless it is rooted and you have your own local Whitelisting that points to your own app....
And you would STILL have to fnd some way of downloading and storing a local version of the mirroring app that is normally loaded from the internet to point to with your custom whitelist.
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im not able to do any kind of "offline" playback
which was a big part of me rooting ...
so how would i go about trying to have a local app for the whitelist etc ....
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im not able to do any kind of "offline" playback
which was a big part of me rooting ...
so how would i go about trying to have a local app for the whitelist etc ....
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Next to impossible....
The playback will stay offline but it still needs an internet connection to load the player that will do the playback....
i've been googling for hours. the whole world is crying out for this.. Give me Chromecast mirroring without internet!
Surely with a rooted phone and rooted CC it must be achievable.
Anyone ever log where the CC goes looking for the streaming app? If we can work out that surely we can:
Download it manually.
Host the app on laptop/tablet - Redirect via DNS or webserver.. proxy.. something!..
I may try and hook up my CC through my wifi internet sharing so i can wireshark to see where and what its doing via the internet.. so i can then attempt to spoof it..
(I really want to get this working on WifiAP alone - no internet). (I got a lot of places with no internet whatsover available).
Any other suggestions would be appreciated..
(I dont have a rooted CC at this point so i may have trouble).
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i've been googling for hours. the whole world is crying out for this.. Give me Chromecast mirroring without internet!
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What you want to look at using is Miracast....But it requires having a device that supports it.
Most Miracast Dongles also have a DLNA Mode that will allow you to send streams of content to directly play on it allowing you to use other apps on the launching device.
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What you want to look at using is Miracast....But it requires having a device that supports it.
Most Miracast Dongles also have a DLNA Mode that will allow you to send streams of content to directly play on it allowing you to use other apps on the launching device.
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I happen to be in a particularly rare (I hope) situation as the HTC One m7 that I have cannot properly do miracasting but can do chromecasting very well. By not properly, I mean netflix screen remains black on the receiving device when attempting to miracast.
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I happen to be in a particularly rare (I hope) situation as the HTC One m7 that I have cannot properly do miracasting but can do chromecasting very well. By not properly, I mean netflix screen remains black on the receiving device when attempting to miracast.
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Yep there is a lot involved in getting any of these to work due to the limitations of both systems...
There are other ways to go about getting what you want...
1 - Get a Roku which you can send content to using a variety of means or control directly if you get a model with a remote.
2 - Get one of the many Android Sticks and load up a DLNA player (like aVia) that most CCast capable apps can send content to directly.
3 - If you have a cell phone simply buy and add a Mobile Hotspot device to the account that shares your data allotment. You won't be using a lot of data if all you are doing is streaming local content, just the small data needed to load up the receiver app the CCast needs. And you have Data and Internet capability anywhere when you need it.
But the CCast itself is meant to be little more than adding some smart capability to a TV which in most cases requires internet access.
That's why it's so cheap because it doesn't require any storage to keep Apps on the device it gets it all from the Internet....
Unfortunately it also gives Google complete control of what can be displayed on the device which is why everyone was so quick to root the device.
Perhaps in the future some Developer will make a custom rom that allows direct streaming without the need for Internet connection...
But who knows what kind of hornets nest that might stir up with the content providers. Right now everyone agrees the most important thing is to get more support from content providers for the CCast Device and concept.
Anything that might get them to shy away is probably not worth doing right now
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Yep there is a lot involved in getting any of these to work due to the limitations of both systems...
There are other ways to go about getting what you want...
1 - Get a Roku which you can send content to using a variety of means or control directly if you get a model with a remote.
2 - Get one of the many Android Sticks and load up a DLNA player (like aVia) that most CCast capable apps can send content to directly.
3 - If you have a cell phone simply buy and add a Mobile Hotspot device to the account that shares your data allotment. You won't be using a lot of data if all you are doing is streaming local content, just the small data needed to load up the receiver app the CCast needs. And you have Data and Internet capability anywhere when you need it.
But the CCast itself is meant to be little more than adding some smart capability to a TV which in most cases requires internet access.
That's why it's so cheap because it doesn't require any storage to keep Apps on the device it gets it all from the Internet....
Unfortunately it also gives Google complete control of what can be displayed on the device which is why everyone was so quick to root the device.
Perhaps in the future some Developer will make a custom rom that allows direct streaming without the need for Internet connection...
But who knows what kind of hornets nest that might stir up with the content providers. Right now everyone agrees the most important thing is to get more support from content providers for the CCast Device and concept.
Anything that might get them to shy away is probably not worth doing right now
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Hello. I'm trying to mirror my new Nexus 6 to my TV using a Microsoft Wireless Display adapter. The N6 does not officially support miracast, but I enabled through a build.prop edit and using WiFi Direct. It works perfect for everything except Netflix and Hulu (just audio works with a black screen and controls displaying). I'm guessing this is a HDCP/DRM problem. Anyway around this? Would Chromecast work? The N6 does support CC., but I DO NOT have internet in my home. I don't want to stream anything on the TV. Just stream on my phone and display on the TV. If I use hotspot to establish an initial connection for the Chromecast, then turn the hotspot off, would mirroring still work?
Thanks
Direct answer I think is no if you need to get external content. If you enable a hotspot, you will be able to hook the chromecast up to your phone and it will have internet. You would then be stuck as to connect to the chromecast you would have to disable the hotspot. After doing that, your chromecast is thrown into the abyss and needs a new network to connect to.
If your intended usage is in-home then you just need a chromecast pushing device in an isolated wifi network. That wifi network can be your phone with tethering on. You can use another phone (doesn't need data, just wifi) to cast to your chromecast and get data over the tethered connection.
If you want to cast a local file to chromecast, you can get any cheapo router that would be connected to nothing and that should all work smoothly without even using a hotspot.
I happen to be in the same boat when it comes to black screen miracast and yes I think it is an HDCP problem. I am searching high and low for a way to disable HDCP checking when outputing over wifi.
Useful info though not about my phone or yours:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/help/how-to-skip-disable-hdcp-checkcan-t2854550
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...-mirroring-broken-t2599349/page2#post57456682
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660448&page=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49265142&postcount=118
ryan4a said:
Hello. I'm trying to mirror my new Nexus 6 to my TV using a Microsoft Wireless Display adapter. The N6 does not officially support miracast, but I enabled through a build.prop edit and using WiFi Direct. It works perfect for everything except Netflix and Hulu (just audio works with a black screen and controls displaying). I'm guessing this is a HDCP/DRM problem. Anyway around this? Would Chromecast work? The N6 does support CC., but I DO NOT have internet in my home. I don't want to stream anything on the TV. Just stream on my phone and display on the TV. If I use hotspot to establish an initial connection for the Chromecast, then turn the hotspot off, would mirroring still work?
Thanks
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No your Video issue is probably a codec issue with your wireless display adapter.
I'm pretty sure also that Netflix and Hulu have protected their displays so that screen casting would not work.
It's not HDCP/DRM per say but it is a way of protecting the content from being copied.
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Direct answer I think is no if you need to get external content. If you enable a hotspot, you will be able to hook the chromecast up to your phone and it will have internet. You would then be stuck as to connect to the chromecast you would have to disable the hotspot. After doing that, your chromecast is thrown into the abyss and needs a new network to connect to.
If your intended usage is in-home then you just need a chromecast pushing device in an isolated wifi network. That wifi network can be your phone with tethering on. You can use another phone (doesn't need data, just wifi) to cast to your chromecast and get data over the tethered connection.
If you want to cast a local file to chromecast, you can get any cheapo router that would be connected to nothing and that should all work smoothly without even using a hotspot.
I happen to be in the same boat when it comes to black screen miracast and yes I think it is an HDCP problem. I am searching high and low for a way to disable HDCP checking when outputing over wifi.
Useful info though not about my phone or yours:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/help/how-to-skip-disable-hdcp-checkcan-t2854550
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...-mirroring-broken-t2599349/page2#post57456682
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660448&page=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49265142&postcount=118
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Thanks. This solution worked...sort of. I'm was able to tether my data from my Nexus 6 to an ipad and the chromecast to establish the initial connection. Now, I disconnect the ipad and the chromecast will still be connected to my tethered network. This allows me to stream Netflix and also mirror local content using only the chromecast and my tethered N6. It is a workaround, but I was hoping to use pure miracast and avoid tethering. But oh well.
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Asphyx said:
No your Video issue is probably a codec issue with your wireless display adapter.
I'm pretty sure also that Netflix and Hulu have protected their displays so that screen casting would not work.
It's not HDCP/DRM per say but it is a way of protecting the content from being copied.
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Thanks. That's what I thought too. See my response above.Looks like I'll be returning the microsoft adapter, unless the following will eventually work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/nexus-6-miracast-t2952461/post57462471#post57462471
Asphyx said:
No your Video issue is probably a codec issue with your wireless display adapter.
I'm pretty sure also that Netflix and Hulu have protected their displays so that screen casting would not work.
It's not HDCP/DRM per say but it is a way of protecting the content from being copied.
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Is there any way around this limitation?
ryan4a said:
Thanks. This solution worked...sort of. I'm was able to tether my data from my Nexus 6 to an ipad and the chromecast to establish the initial connection. Now, I disconnect the ipad and the chromecast will still be connected to my tethered network. This allows me to stream Netflix and also mirror local content using only the chromecast and my tethered N6. It is a workaround, but I was hoping to use pure miracast and avoid tethering. But oh well.
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Thanks. That's what I thought too. See my response above.Looks like I'll be returning the microsoft adapter, unless the following will eventually work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/help/nexus-6-miracast-t2952461/post57462471#post57462471
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Even better solution - try this out:
You can set up a mobile hotspot, pair the chromecast to that hotspot one time with another android device, and than go into the chromecast app on the hotspot phone, and finally ignore turning wifi back on and just cast screen to the chromecast. It works flawlessly.
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Even better solution - try this out:
You can set up a mobile hotspot, pair the chromecast to that hotspot one time with another android device, and than go into the chromecast app on the hotspot phone, and finally ignore turning wifi back on and just cast screen to the chromecast. It works flawlessly.
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Thanks. Not sure I know what you mean. I'm really trying to eliminate the need for hotspot completely. I have an unlimited data plant and I'm worried AT&T will find out about my unauthorized tethering, then force me into a capped plan.
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Thanks. Not sure I know what you mean. I'm really trying to eliminate the need for hotspot completely. I have an unlimited data plant and I'm worried AT&T will find out about my unauthorized tethering, then force me into a capped plan.
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That's what's great about using screen cast. The chromecast won't actually be pulling data from the hotspot. It's somehow piggybacking on the devices hotspot wifi network subnet and just pushing data directly to the chromecast. Your phone will authentically be pulling any stream data from your data plan as it would normally.
ie the chromecast is just a receiver in this configuration. In terms of actually casting an app, I'm not even sure if that is possible so I don't think you'd even accidentally be having your chromecast use data.
There would be the small amount of chromecast traffic checking for an update or whatever it does idly and that would go out over your phones data.
To be safe I would recommend something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.formichelli.tetheringfix&hl=en
I don't think they could force you to change plans but they could charge you for the additional hotspot service. A working tether fix should spoof any hotspot traffic as your phone. Typically these giant companies aren't worried about the small-fry data users (talking insignificant here with a chromecast).
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That's what's great about using screen cast. The chromecast won't actually be pulling data from the hotspot. It's somehow piggybacking on the devices hotspot wifi network subnet and just pushing data directly to the chromecast. Your phone will authentically be pulling any stream data from your data plan as it would normally.
ie the chromecast is just a receiver in this configuration. In terms of actually casting an app, I'm not even sure if that is possible so I don't think you'd even accidentally be having your chromecast use data.
There would be the small amount of chromecast traffic checking for an update or whatever it does idly and that would go out over your phones data.
To be safe I would recommend something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.formichelli.tetheringfix&hl=en
I don't think they could force you to change plans but they could charge you for the additional hotspot service. A working tether fix should spoof any hotspot traffic as your phone. Typically these giant companies aren't worried about the small-fry data users (talking insignificant here with a chromecast).
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Right...this method works for casting the screen and playing YouTube videos only. But if I want to use Netflix or Hulu, I have to cast it through the chromecast. When I try to simply mirror Netflix, I get the same black screen I get when using a regular miracast dongle. So the chromecast is using my data, but maybe it would be the same amount as if I was streaming Netflix directly on my phone.
And here is how I enabled tethering on an unlimited plant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wF2BZ2gx7r8
Not sure if this uses the same method as the app you referenced above, or if AT&T will notice.
ryan4a said:
Right...this method works for casting the screen and playing YouTube videos only. But if I want to use Netflix or Hulu, I have to cast it through the chromecast. When I try to simply mirror Netflix, I get the same black screen I get when using a regular miracast dongle. So the chromecast is using my data, but maybe it would be the same amount as if I was streaming Netflix directly on my phone.
And here is how I enabled tethering on an unlimited plant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wF2BZ2gx7r8
Not sure if this uses the same method as the app you referenced above, or if AT&T will notice.
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Hmm.. That is too bad. I have the same miracast problem with Netflix but chromecast always worked for screen casting (whole OS) and normal app-based casting.
Hi guys,
Is it just me, or is the Chromecast about the most ridiculous device ever made ?
It does not only need a Wi-Fi connection (which is normal : the wireless signal has to come from somewhere) but it also needs an internet connection.
I would like to cast the screen of my smartphone when I'm not at home.
So I got me a wireless router.
I activate it.
The Chromecast can connect to it.
The Smartphone can connect to it.
And so the smartphone can connect to the Chromecast.
But that's it...
I can't cast anything because I have no internet connection.
OK.
So I turned on my phone as an access point.
I then configured the travel router to get the internet connection from the phone.
Cool... now the Chromecast says it's ready to cast.
But now I'm stuck because as soon as I want to cast something from my phone to the Chromecast, I have to turn Wi-Fi on...
But turning on Wi-Fi on my phone disables the AP.
And so the Chromecast refuses to display anything because it's not connected to the internet anymore !
Isn't that about the most stupid thing ever designed ?
Frankly, I then see only really little use to it...
And I think I am not the only one : there are about 10 apps that are Cast capable...
And that after more than a year the dongle has been released !
Will look for something that is able to cast without an internet connection.
Will probably be much easier... and maybe even cheaper !
If you have an advice on how to get this POS to work without an internet connection, I'll gladly take your advice.
If that is not easily achieved, if you have an alternative, I'll gladly consider it...
regards.
What are you trying to send to your Chromecast? Netflix, YouTube, and other services that have the cast button basically act as remote controls for the Chromecast, but it needs its own Internet connection to stream the content as your phone is just inputting commands for it.
You could try (albeit I've never done this) connecting the Chromecast to your hotspot access point, and then just using the built-in screen mirroring feature of the Chromecast app. Granted, that would mean you'd have to leave your phone's screen on...but it would show the same thing that's on the phone, on the TV. And I'm not sure if that would even work since you still don't have WiFi on and your phone is acting as the modem and not as a device on the same network.
The only other things I could suggest, would be to buy additional hardware. You could go through your carrier to purchase one of those hotspot devices, then connect your phone and your Chromecast to that, and that will work. Though with that option you'll most likely have to pay an extra fee for the data line for the hotspot device. The other route you could take, would be to buy a cheap tablet or another phone and use it as the controller when your primary phone is in hotspot mode. The latter option is what my friend does as he uses his phone's unlimited data plan to provide Internet through his entire house when he's at home...and just uses his tablet to stream Netflix to the Chromecast.
If you have no internet connection, you'll be streaming everything over your mobile data connection anyway. That's going to get expensive, but whatever...
So why are you using the router if you can't get a wired or WiFi internet connection? Just turn on the WiFi access point mode on your phone, and have the Chromecast connect to it. Then both your phone and the Chromecast will be on the same LAN.
You even need an Internet connection when streaming local media because (1) the device has to constantly authenticate with Google, which I swear Google isn't going to be logging or abusing, and (b) the Chromecast is relatively stupid by streaming and spec standards, and you can't just give it a file and expect it to work.
That's why so many apps will take forever to load large pictures (slower than a picture CD) or even to unpause media... it throws its buffer away on pause.
Why not just try an HDMI cable? No WiFi needed, all local codecs are supported, etc.
I recommend you do basic research on a product before purchasing it next time. You should look into cheap miracast dongles.
I like my chromecast, but my android stick gets about 10x more usage. Chromecast seriously needs some more streaming services. If you don't have Netflix, in the UK it has about two widely used apps (youtube and iplayer), and that's it, not great this far on.
Ridiculous device ever made? Get yourself an internet connection for your house and then try the showbox app and allcast app to send the media to the Chromecast. I have 2 Chromecast in my house and I use it daily. If you simply want to cast your screen without internet. Get a slimport to HDMI cable.
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Is it just me, or is the Chromecast about the most ridiculous device ever made ?
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It's just you... Everyone else have internet connection at home, which is normal these days...
Hi Srandista,
Yes, everyboby has an internet connection at home.
But then again, everybody probably also has :
- a Blu-Ray player with Wi-Fi and/or Ethernet ;
- a television that is Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and Ethernet enabled ;
- a media player/streamer that is Ethernet and Wi-Fi enabled...
So we're saying the same thing :
- at home everyone has an internet connection AND connected devices => the Chromecast is useless ;
- when you're not at home, the Chromecast is useless until you're somewhere where you can get an internet connection...
And even then : if I want to cast a Video to my Chromecast, I have to upload my video to the cloud BEFORE I start to stream...
Isn't that ridiculous ? Especially as using other software allows to stream directly ?
Just for your information : there are other devices like the Chromecast (they even look like the Chromecast) that can be used without an internet connection.
Sorry, but despite your answer, I persist saying that the Chromecast conception lacks some common sense and some analysis of the customer needs.
Regards.
DJames1 said:
If you have no internet connection, you'll be streaming everything over your mobile data connection anyway. That's going to get expensive, but whatever...
So why are you using the router if you can't get a wired or WiFi internet connection? Just turn on the WiFi access point mode on your phone, and have the Chromecast connect to it. Then both your phone and the Chromecast will be on the same LAN.
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Hi,
Thanks for your answer.
But that won't work. As I wrote in my post : if I turn on my phone as an AP, that disables the Wi-Fi. So I can't stream to my Chromecast that way.
Regards.
xFuGiToiDx said:
Ridiculous device ever made? Get yourself an internet connection for your house and then try the showbox app and allcast app to send the media to the Chromecast. I have 2 Chromecast in my house and I use it daily. If you simply want to cast your screen without internet. Get a slimport to HDMI cable.
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Hi
Many thanks for your kind reply.
I would recommend you read posts before flaming people.
If you would have, you would have noticed that I was saying I was trying to use it WHEN I AM NOT at home.
I have a 100Mbps line at home. But also a networked TV, a networked Blu-Ray player and a networked Media player /streamer.
So I don't really have the use of a Chromecast at home...
Regards.
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I recommend you do basic research on a product before purchasing it next time. You should look into cheap miracast dongles.
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Hi,
That is what I usually do.
BUT : honestly :
1°) the need for an active internet connection for the thing to even work does not appear clearly ;
2°) I don't spend 5 hours researching for a 35 bucks device... my time is somewhat more precious than that.
I'll look into cheap Miracast devices. I only need to mirror my screen, so I guess that more than enough.
Regards.
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You even need an Internet connection when streaming local media because (1) the device has to constantly authenticate with Google, which I swear Google isn't going to be logging or abusing, and (b) the Chromecast is relatively stupid by streaming and spec standards, and you can't just give it a file and expect it to work.
That's why so many apps will take forever to load large pictures (slower than a picture CD) or even to unpause media... it throws its buffer away on pause.
Why not just try an HDMI cable? No WiFi needed, all local codecs are supported, etc.
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Hi,
Thanks...
Yes, that's what I am doing right now. Phone with a MHL adpator and HDMI plugged into the projector.
But that implies that I have a cable lying around my class and me or my student are likely to stumble on it...
That is why I wanted to use the Chromecast...
Regards.
Hi,
OK, to make things clear, here's what I would like to do.
I am a teacher.
During my class I pass .ppt slides on a VP.
During my class, I don't sit behind my desk : I walk among the students.
So what I would like to do is following :
- 1°) connect my phone to the VP with the Chromecast ;
- 2°) have my phone displaying the slides => a simple mirror of the screen will do ;
- 3°) use a tablet in "Presentation mode" as a remote for the phone so I can go the next slide when I want to.
I can achieve everything using a MHL adaptor to connect the phone to the VP.
But I would like to be able to make that wirelessly...
Chromecast is a no go... unless of course I add another device in the whole bunch : smartphone + 2 tablets. Phone as access point, tablet 1 as caster ; tablet 2 as remote. then of course, I will need some chargers, an external battery pack... Not really the simplification I was looking for.
Regards.
Goodness, the supporters of Google Cast are rather quick to throw down the gauntlet today. =( As somebody who is constantly critiquing devices, I can say with certainty that there are many things that even reading reviews will not disclose, and even if the information is available, it might be hard to find.
Telling somebody they should get internet access in the snobbish manner seen here really doesn't help matters at all either.... less bile equals a greater percentage of useful content, right? Talking about MHL or Miracast or discussing manufacturer specific options or suggesting different CC compatible devices (Matchstick anyone? It's coming in 2015) might be more helpful.
For example, as it stands, I can't believe using a phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot would knock out its data functionality... or at least that it would make it impossible to connect to a CC. That seems like a fundamental problem there.
Here is the best possible solution for you nexus....
You will have to give up on the Phone showing the slides because you are attempting to stream to two devices which doesn't work.
You really shouldn't need the phone to display...
Plug the CCast into the Projector....
Turn on the Hotspot feature of your phone, It will still get it's data and email and tweets ect ect ....
Set up the CCast to get it's internet from the Phone WiFi Hotspot and then connect the tablet to the Hotspot as well.
You should then be able to cast the screen of the tablet to the Projector and run your slideshow.
You might even be able to use some other powerpoint viewer app that supports CCast (I think VBU kit does that) but you can just as easily screen cast the tablet to the projector if your tablet supports it.
You should be good to go the only thing that you will be missing is the display of the slides on the phone and since you are manipulating the slides on the tablet there really is no reason to see them on the phone as well.
I was pretty much going to recommend a similar fix. I have an old crap phone with no data plan that I play movies on while traveling. I just setup my actual phone as the hotspot and have my crap phone and CC connect to it. I have heard :? that the app that shall remain nameless thing works pretty good. I use Avia to throw those shows to my CC.
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NexusPenguin said:
Hi Srandista,
But then again, everybody probably also has :
- a Blu-Ray player with Wi-Fi and/or Ethernet ;
- a television that is Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and Ethernet enabled ;
- a media player/streamer that is Ethernet and Wi-Fi enabled...
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I love my Chromecast. Prior to buying it, I had:
- A Blu-Ray player with internet connectivity... with a slow, horrible interface, and poor streaming services support.... that also didn't stream from local devices.
- An HDTV with no network support
- A "media player" that didn't work with most/any of the pay-for streaming services, that I had to constantly troubleshoot, with a low Wife Acceptance Factor.
With the Chromecast I can stream locally (from a Plex Server), watch most of the pay-for streaming services I want (so I can "cut the cord"), and it "just works" as far as the Wife is concerned, so she's happy. Even my kiddos can use it. Given that the Chromecast remains the top seller in the Electronics category at Amazon, I think Google hit the nail on the head with this one. Far from a "stupid", "useless", "ridiculous", concept that "lacks some common sense and some analysis of the customer needs" that results in the "worst experience ever".
Just because you're pissed that the square peg you bought won't fit in a round hole doesn't mean the device is stupid or useless. It's like the saying goes that "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". Go get yourself a screwdriver, because you have the wrong tool for your particular job. I mentioned Plex once already: If you're looking for a simple, offline streaming experience with that works like the Chromecast does get yourself a Raspberry Pi, and install RaspPlex on it. If you're trying to playback from a local disk, put XBMC on it instead. I plan on putting a media center in my kid-hauler, and one of these two will probably end up being what I use. There are many options out there for offline playback, but the Chromecast it not one of them.
Well said. I have two chromecast and they are exactly what I need. Very useful.
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