Not gonna ask the best ROM, as everyone gets a bit uptight about those, and feel the need to defend "their team" and all that...
My question is more generic, in that I am wondering if there is even a ROM out there that will meet MY needs... so if I list those things that I would need in a ROM, maybe someone can simply answer yes or no and point me in the right direction?
Here is what I would be looking for in a ROM:
1) Stability, has to be as stable as stock, no screens of dead or random reboots
2) Speed, zero lag, fast and fluid
3) Everything has to work. If it works on stock, be it apps like VZW Visual VM or whatever, it needs to work on the ROM
4) More polish and eye candy, nice animations, make the device beautiful to use without being buggy or laggy
5) Battery life at least as good as stock
If there is a ROM that gives you all that, has a bit more customization but not so much that it takes half a day to set it up, what would it be? Or would I be better served just using a different launcher?
I have not installed a ROM in a couple years... I was a flashaholic for awhile, but a few phones that I had in a row worked really well in stock form, and some had locked bootloaders that never got cracked, so I kinda gave up on them for while and so my knowledge is a bit rusty...
What I don't want to do is go to the trouble of installing a new ROM and having it not work, or be buggy, etc... This has to be daily driver quality and I want to USE it, no spend too much time fiddling with it.
Ideas?
SquireSCA said:
Not gonna ask the best ROM, as everyone gets a bit uptight about those, and feel the need to defend "their team" and all that...
My question is more generic, in that I am wondering if there is even a ROM out there that will meet MY needs... so if I list those things that I would need in a ROM, maybe someone can simply answer yes or no and point me in the right direction?
Here is what I would be looking for in a ROM:
1) Stability, has to be as stable as stock, no screens of dead or random reboots
2) Speed, zero lag, fast and fluid
3) Everything has to work. If it works on stock, be it apps like VZW Visual VM or whatever, it needs to work on the ROM
4) More polish and eye candy, nice animations, make the device beautiful to use without being buggy or laggy
5) Battery life at least as good as stock
If there is a ROM that gives you all that, has a bit more customization but not so much that it takes half a day to set it up, what would it be? Or would I be better served just using a different launcher?
I have not installed a ROM in a couple years... I was a flashaholic for awhile, but a few phones that I had in a row worked really well in stock form, and some had locked bootloaders that never got cracked, so I kinda gave up on them for while and so my knowledge is a bit rusty...
What I don't want to do is go to the trouble of installing a new ROM and having it not work, or be buggy, etc... This has to be daily driver quality and I want to USE it, no spend too much time fiddling with it.
Ideas?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-pure-nexus-project-t3148214
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-pure-nexus-project-t3148214
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Hmmm... that might be what I am looking for...
Does the latest version have the stagefright fix built in?
SquireSCA said:
Hmmm... that might be what I am looking for...
Does the latest version have the stagefright fix built in?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Cool. And I am sorry if this is a dumb question, but like I said, it has been a couple years since I installed a ROM...
I can use Wug's Nexus toolkit to install a custom recovery, and then take the downloaded ROM and recommended GAPPS files, go into Recovery, install ROM, install Gapps, then factory reset and I am good to go?
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Cool. And I am sorry if this is a dumb question, but like I said, it has been a couple years since I installed a ROM...
I can use Wug's Nexus toolkit to install a custom recovery, and then take the downloaded ROM and recommended GAPPS files, go into Recovery, install ROM, install Gapps, then factory reset and I am good to go?
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I don't personally recommend toolkits unless you have ADB/fastboot knowledge and experience but otherwise yes. You don't need to factory reset after ROM installation, just do the required wipes, generally listed in the OP of the ROM you choose, in TWRP, prior to flashing.
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I don't personally recommend toolkits unless you have ADB/fastboot knowledge and experience but otherwise yes. You don't need to factory reset after ROM installation, just do the required wipes, generally listed in the OP of the ROM you choose, in TWRP, prior to flashing.
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Which is the better/easier Recovery to use?
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Which is the better/easier Recovery to use?
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TWRP recovery is THE recovery for shamu.
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TWRP recovery is THE recovery for shamu.
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Got it, just installed it. Put the ROM and Gapps in a folder and I will first make a Nandroid of my current setup... Then I will try it out.
The OP for that ROM doesn't have any instructions, but you said that in TWRP that I need to wipe cache and stuff PRIOR to installing the ROM? I always thought you did that last? Am I remembering it wrong or did something change?
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Got it, just installed it. Put the ROM and Gapps in a folder and I will first make a Nandroid of my current setup... Then I will try it out.
The OP for that ROM doesn't have any instructions, but you said that in TWRP that I need to wipe cache and stuff PRIOR to installing the ROM? I always thought you did that last? Am I remembering it wrong or did something change?
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For your first installation, wipe, used advanced wipe, then select dalvik, cache, data, and system. Then flash your ROM. Updates to the same ROM can usually be "dirty flashed" by simply wiping cache and dalvik prior to installation.
Tried it out, but found that it was slower in Antutu by 3,000 points and it was a bit laggy at times... Weird.
I wouldn't hold a ton of value or base anything off Antutu.
Sorry if I didn't pay attention to time stamps between your posting. I did look at your stats and see you have plenty of experience here. May just need to give a bit of time for ROM to settle.
I have tried several ROMs here and consider there to be a BIG 3, or the most popular. I won't say the names due to the fact that I don't want to place any one above the other. However, I would recommend a ROM with Layers.
When you go to wipe prior, wipe all but internal storage. I wipe twice, just because I am OCD. Flash all necessaries and sometimes an alternate kernal will help, but give baked in kernal a chance. At least a cylcle or two. Wipe the Davlik and Cache after flash, as TWRP suggests.
There are a few to choose from which are close to stock without overdoing it. Most things folks want to do to customize can be done with apps in Play Store without over loading file size of ROM.
OK, I'll say it, but I don't want you to think I am partial. Try Chroma
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captemo said:
I wouldn't hold a ton of value or base anything off Antutu.
Sorry if I didn't pay attention to time stamps between your posting. I did look at your stats and see you have plenty of experience here. May just need to give a bit of time for ROM to settle.
I have tried several ROMs here and consider there to be a BIG 3, or the most popular. I won't say the names due to the fact that I don't want to place any one above the other. However, I would recommend a ROM with Layers.
When you go to wipe prior, wipe all but internal storage. I wipe twice, just because I am OCD. Flash all necessaries and sometimes an alternate kernal will help, but give baked in kernal a chance. At least a cylcle or two. Wipe the Davlik and Cache after flash, as TWRP suggests.
There are a few to choose from which are close to stock without overdoing it. Most things folks want to do to customize can be done with apps in Play Store without over loading file size of ROM.
OK, I'll say it, but I don't want you to think I am partial. Try Chroma
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Oh trust me, I have no concerns with people being partial. Some people get bent out of shape in "best ROM" debates, but I don't. I WANT to know which ones are top tier, and why, from people that have used them.
I know that Antutu is not the end all be all... But when I saw it was laggy, I run that to see if it is just placebo, and sure enough, it was slower and there was a little stuttering and lower frame rates in the final 3D game test... I just use it as a reference point, that's all...
I played with Layers a little and didn't really get much out of it... It just seemed to change the color a bit on menus and things, so I didn't see a lot of benefit.... or am I missing something?
I will take a look at Chroma and see how that looks, thanks.
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**Edit: I was completely wrong.. I figured out everything, i know what i'm doing now lol.. thanks guys.
My first time rooting was a couple days ago when i had learned about the "1 Click Root" method...
I succeeded, got that latest ROM (to my knowledge) CM6 RC2 from the trusty (lol) ROM Manager.. which i enjoy a lot since im rooted and what not. I also themed my ROM a couple times to (what i think) are pretty cool themes..
But anyways, to make a boring story short (lol).. I absolutely hate (with a passion) wiping my data to my phone when i see or hear about this awesome new theme i want.. people say it is a must to wipe ur phones data to apply the "best" effect..
This gets REALLY old.. i had to do this like three times yesterday because i kept seeing new themes i wanted lol.. Re-entering passwords and re downloading all of your apps everytime you want a new ROM or want to apply a theme is too much work for how "great" rooting is.. Dont get me wrong, i love the new style of my phone, it looks amazing, but man! do i really have to keep wiping data to apply the things i want??
I now, noticed that all my contacts are not my phone. Only the contacts phones numbers on facebook that i had sync'd.. "My" contacts that i have in my phone are not there.. I imported them from my sim card and re-booted, but still not there.. Could this be because of my theme?
To what really made me mad was my camera, it keeps force closing.. Is this also because of the theme? I have the normal radio ending in 4.06.00.12_7.. I do not know if it didnt work before i applied the theme or when i rooted, i just realized last night it didnt work.. i do not want to re flash cm6 to see if the camera is working just because i do not want to "start" all over again.. with wiping and all that... if i have to, sadly, i will.
I had stock froyo frf91 before i rooted my phone.. in all honesty, should i just un root my phone and go back to the way it was? because if i have to keep wiping data, and starting over, im going to blow a fuse lol..
*** Sorry for my aggressive tone everybody, i just would like everything to be a smooth ride wth no wiping and i can apply themes as easy as 123 without losing data.. is there any ROM or theme that you could recommend?
please, someone help me... thanks xda community
I don't ever wipe when I upgrade to the next version of cyan, so I don't lose a single thing. People say to wipe if you have problems. But you shouldn't have problems which means you don't need to wipe. It runs perfectly fine for me this way with no issues at all, no force closes, etc.
RogerPodacter said:
I don't ever wipe when I upgrade to the next version of cyan, so I don't lose a single thing. People say to wipe if you have problems. But you shouldn't have problems which means you don't need to wipe. It runs perfectly fine for me this way with no issues at all, no force closes, etc.
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Really? hmm.. ok thanks man.. but in rom manager when you downlaod something, it brings up an option saying backup and wipe.. do i have to click that or can i just cancel and just go ahead and reboot..?
The way I do it (maybe not the fastest) is to set up your rom exactly how you want it, nandroid, then install any mods that might eff up your installation. Once you've installed the mod and you're 100% sure mms/wifi/bt/gmail/etc are all working, you can nandroid again and use that as your base.
The only time you'd need to wipe is if you want to set up another rom so you could switch back and forth between different roms.
And by different roms I don't mean updates within roms, like CM6 nightlies or enom's updates, I mean completely different roms like CM6 as opposed to enom.
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The way I do it (maybe not the fastest) is to set up your rom exactly how you want it, nandroid, then install any mods that might eff up your installation. Once you've installed the mod and you're 100% sure mms/wifi/bt/gmail/etc are all working, you can nandroid again and use that as your base.
The only time you'd need to wipe is if you want to set up another rom so you could switch back and forth between different roms.
And by different roms I don't mean updates within roms, like CM6 nightlies or enom's updates, I mean completely different roms like CM6 as opposed to enom.
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Ok thank you.. what about for themes and what not...? it says i have to wipe as well....
Your problem looks to be trying to navigate complicated stuff with lack of skills.
There is a good reason to root "old-fashioned" way, without 1-click stuff: if you read all you need to read and understand (various guides that teach you how to work with recovery etc) to root, then you won't get lost when rooted. Now you're trying to do stuff without even knowing, how things work, and let me guess - you didn't read any guide, you don't know how to work with recovery w/o ROM manager and don't know how to load a ROM, etc.
My suggestion is - go to Development section, open the stickies with guides and start reading. Do the same in General section, and don't skip the Wiki either.
Root brings you full control of the system, and it's excellent - knowing your way you can do tons of stuff, theming being the least interesting/important. But to control, you need to know and understand more than "1-click stuff".
Or you can just go back to stock, if you see no added value in a rooted phone.
matholomus said:
Ok thank you.. what about for themes and what not...? it says i have to wipe as well....
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What theme are you talking about, I don't recall seeing any themes requiring a wipe.
The only thing I can think of is a pre-themed rom. If you don't know the difference between a theme and a themed rom, you should follow Jack's advice and read up.
Your mistake is thinking that because there is an option to wipe in Rom Manager, then it must be necessary. No it isn't. The option is there for the people who want to wipe, but upgrading from one CM to another won't need it, themes won't need it, etc.
It is your job to know when it is needed or not. And you get that by reading and understanding how your phone works.
just wipe the Cache and the Dalvik Cache, the only time you must fully wipe is if you get boot loop when flashing a new rom/mod/etc.
matholomus said:
Really? hmm.. ok thanks man.. but in rom manager when you downlaod something, it brings up an option saying backup and wipe.. do i have to click that or can i just cancel and just go ahead and reboot..?
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You just uncheck the wipe one. Besides you can just use recovery and don't have to use ROM manager.
matholomus said:
Ok thank you.. what about for themes and what not...? it says i have to wipe as well....
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You certainly do not wipe to install a theme. That makes no sense! You would lose all your data all the time.
matholomus said:
My first time rooting was a couple days ago when i had learned about the "1 Click Root" method...
I succeeded, got that latest ROM (to my knowledge) CM6 RC2 from the trusty (lol) ROM Manager.. which i enjoy a lot since im rooted and what not. I also themed my ROM a couple times to (what i think) are pretty cool themes..
But anyways, to make a boring story short (lol).. I absolutely hate (with a passion) wiping my data to my phone when i see or hear about this awesome new theme i want.. people say it is a must to wipe ur phones data to apply the "best" effect..
This gets REALLY old.. i had to do this like three times yesterday because i kept seeing new themes i wanted lol.. Re-entering passwords and re downloading all of your apps everytime you want a new ROM or want to apply a theme is too much work for how "great" rooting is.. Dont get me wrong, i love the new style of my phone, it looks amazing, but man! do i really have to keep wiping data to apply the things i want??
I now, noticed that all my contacts are not my phone. Only the contacts phones numbers on facebook that i had sync'd.. "My" contacts that i have in my phone are not there.. I imported them from my sim card and re-booted, but still not there.. Could this be because of my theme?
To what really made me mad was my camera, it keeps force closing.. Is this also because of the theme? I have the normal radio ending in 4.06.00.12_7.. I do not know if it didnt work before i applied the theme or when i rooted, i just realized last night it didnt work.. i do not want to re flash cm6 to see if the camera is working just because i do not want to "start" all over again.. with wiping and all that... if i have to, sadly, i will.
I had stock froyo frf91 before i rooted my phone.. in all honesty, should i just un root my phone and go back to the way it was? because if i have to keep wiping data, and starting over, im going to blow a fuse lol..
*** Sorry for my aggressive tone everybody, i just would like everything to be a smooth ride wth no wiping and i can apply themes as easy as 123 without losing data.. is there any ROM or theme that you could recommend?
please, someone help me... thanks xda community
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I'm still running stock unrooted. One off the main reason why i don't really want to root is because I know how customizable our phones are, and i love new things.. like you, if i was to see a new theme Or rom I'd jump on it straight away. I don't think I'd ever stop!!
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zok-star said:
I'm still running stock unrooted. One off the main reason why i don't really want to root is because I know how customizable our phones are, and i love new things.. like you, if i was to see a new theme Or rom I'd jump on it straight away. I don't think I'd ever stop!!
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Honestly that's exactly why I didn't root for 3 months. But once I found my exact setup now I just know how to setup each new ROM quickly. After that point now its just fun to tinker the phone and try the cyan nightly. It's really better to just root it. I was in the same spot as you I know what you mean.
zok-star said:
I'm still running stock unrooted. One off the main reason why i don't really want to root is because I know how customizable our phones are, and i love new things.. like you, if i was to see a new theme Or rom I'd jump on it straight away. I don't think I'd ever stop!!
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Hey bud, i was absolutely wrong on my post, deleting everything is not what you have to do, it gives you an *option to do it.. The one click method is great man.. no harm is done, the bootloader is still locked.. you can unroot if you dont like it.. btw, if you root, ur gonna love it lol.. there is so many options into customizing ur phone!! I still haven't stopped haha its great bro I'm tellin ya
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I tried 5 different roms and i feel cyanogenmod 6 rc2 version is stable. but i am worrying if i try one more custom rom then will it break my phone?. Please tell me how many time we can install roms in the phone.
Will it create a bad sector on my phone.
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I tried 5 different roms and i feel cyanogenmod 6 rc2 version is stable. but i am worrying if i try one more custom rom then will it break my phone?. Please tell me how many time we can install roms in the phone.
Will it create a bad sector on my phone.
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Well as long as you're wiping between different ROMs you should be fine. And even if you are there won't be any permanent damage. The only way you can brick your phone is by installing a bad/old radio.
Even if there's a limited number of "flashing" the phone you won't reach it before you get a new phone.
Likely in the millions of times.
Don't worry about it.
Its the same question like "how many times can you write data on a sd card", you already got a new one when you reach that number
Flash memory has a certain number of read write times until it fails. But that number is so high that it will be years from now.
how can i know if i have a bad sector??
Amritttt said:
how can i know if i have a bad sector??
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You have to wipe/install a new rom and copy logs to sd card from either other or advanced menu, havent used amon_ra recovery in forever
So, how do we get to the answer of how many times one can flash their phone?
That is such an interesting question. The answer must be had!
androidcues said:
So, how do we get to the answer of how many times one can flash their phone?
That is such an interesting question. The answer must be had!
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Lol, I may be able to tell you soon, flashing nightlies every day
How many stars are there in the Galaxy?
Flippy125 said:
Lol, I may be able to tell you soon, flashing nightlies every day
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EVERY DAY ISN'T ENOUGH!!!!!!!1111oneeleven
Flippy125 said:
Lol, I may be able to tell you soon, flashing nightlies every day
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Hey, I am a total newbie but I would like to flash the nightlies as well. I usually backup all my apps and settings using Titanium Backup, do a Nandroid backup, wipe and then flash the new ROM. However, backing up all apps and settings using Titanium Backup and restoring them after flashing the nightly is quite time consuming. Even worse is arranging the application short cuts / widgets on the desktops after a fresh install.
Nandroid will allow me to go back to backed up version after I have played around with the nightly for a few hours. But then I lose all the features of the nightly once I am back to my old ROM. As I am carrying only a single phone, it becomes mandatory for me to restored the Contacts, Messages, Applications and Settings after flashing a new ROM.
It may sound stupid but is there a better and faster way of doing things without having to restore all applications/settings from the backup so that I also could try out the nightlies? How do you manage this?
For the most part, you can flash nightlies without a wipe, if you're going from CM to CM. If you see weird behavior after flashing, then go back and wipe, and if that doesn't work do a complete wipe and flash.
If you're on another ROM, then I would definately wipe...
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Exactly 6.3 times. That is all. But nobody mentions it.
danger-rat said:
For the most part, you can flash nightlies without a wipe, if you're going from CM to CM. If you see weird behavior after flashing, then go back and wipe, and if that doesn't work do a complete wipe and flash.
If you're on another ROM, then I would definately wipe...
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Thanks, danger-rat! I'll give it a shot
meechto said:
Thanks, danger-rat! I'll give it a shot
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I strongly suggest wiping cache and dalvik-cache prior to flashing a new nightly, it prevents **** and doesn't affect your settings/files
Haven't been on CM for awhile, but if you use Launcher Pro or ADW they have Homescreen backups. Have had good luck with MyBackUpPro too.
Ken
3 times. 1...2...crunch...3. Haven't you all seen the tootsie pop commercial?
androidcues said:
So, how do we get to the answer of how many times one can flash their phone?
That is such an interesting question. The answer must be had!
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How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? LMAO, that's what I WANNA KNOW!
Had my Hero for a little over a year now. Been rooted for most of that time. Currently running Aosp from 02-10-11. I also have 2.6.29.6 Aosp Kernel. Not sure if any other info needed. I have normal coverage where I live and mostly everywhere else except where I work. I drop calls all the time, lose data, etc. I called Sprint and was told its my Hero, not the network. They said they have a new tool that tells them what is causing the problem, so its def my phone. I also have terrible battery life, and my phone is laggy as hell. I just want to know what my best option would be. Should I go to the Sprint store and have them replace my phone? Should I start from scratch (rooting wise) and take it from there? Or should I just wait for the Evo 3D to come out and suck it up? Just not sure which road to take. Any help is GREATLY appreciated. And sorry if this has been asked previously, I did some searches and couldnt find much info.
To see if it's on your end, do a fresh install of your favorite ROM on its latest release. Preferable latest aosp or cyanogen stable. If it's still laggy, hardware. If not, then your hero is good. For the network, after you install a ROM, run a speed test. Then update to the latest prl. Run again. If it gets better, than great. If not, then proceed to update a Verizon prl. If good, than it's not your hardware. If it is, think about getting a replacement.
Great advice. Dont think I ever updated my PRL. How do I go about doing so and where do I get them? Fresh install is what I was leaning towards.
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Great advice. Dont think I ever updated my PRL. How do I go about doing so and where do I get them? Fresh install is what I was leaning towards.
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please go here and read the thread, if it's been a while you'll want to do the update manually, the most recent PRL is 01115.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046899
Lol Big duce is on the ball baby! Hooah!
Ok Im sold. Gonna update the PRL following the instructions in that thread. After that its a fresh install of either cm7 or aosp. Last question...Does a fresh install consist of wiping the data/factory reset and thats it? Or am I missing something? Again, TY so much. Quick response as well.
You on clockwork? You should if you aren't.
And a fresh install to me is wiping the dalvike, boot, cache, system, and data. Then installing the ROM.
I see everything except for boot, and system. And Im on Clockwork 2.5.0.7
I'm on 3.0.2.4, but in that version it's in the mount section.
Gotcha! Heres goes nothing.
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I see everything except for boot, and system. And Im on Clockwork 2.5.0.7
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my personal recommendation is aospCMod 4/21, for correct install instructions go to the wiki www.romrepo.info/wiki
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my personal recommendation is aospCMod 4/21, for correct install instructions go to the wiki www.romrepo.info/wiki
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Will definitely take your advice.
Is it smart to use the google backup and restore feature?
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Is it smart to use the google backup and restore feature?
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Are you talking about the market app restore?
I guess thats what it was. So far everything is looking good. Will have to wait till I go to work tomorrow to see if the signal is any better. Thanks again!
It's driving me nuts, and I would like someone to help me understand. I came here with a bricked and completely unrepairable phone, and I have since managed to get a new Note. The completely stubborn side of me went right away flashing ICS ROMS...Okay, that's all good and well...No harm done anyway. But why don't developers include the "base" and root kernel files in their frickin' ROMS?! It's incredibly annoying. Why do I have to go into "ODIN" and download mode to flash some repack, wipe wipe wipe, reboot, flash another base, wipe wipe wipe, reboot, and finally flash a "custom" ROM. I should be able to flash a single .zip file through CWM and be down with it. I'm not bad talking at all, and I greatly appreciate what developers do around here.
For example, MIDNOTE includes ICS kernel and base...one integrated file. EVERYTHING works, and I have full root access. I'm wondering what it will be like when Samsung comes out with an official ICS version, will I have to flash ten different files to use a custom ROM or will developers be able to integrate it into their work? Just a question...not meant to cause trouble in the least...it just erks me the wrong way. And I'm sure others are wondering the same too.
They does it because you dont need to get those annoying yellow triangle and increase those custom binary counters....Would you like having triangles and increase counters?And the ICS roms are too early releases and are still in beta stages.So you need to go with the process.GB roms dont have these problems and are less hectic.Thats why I still stay in GB.Custom ICS roms will be ok when Official ICS is released.
@smalmagal
you are aboulutely right...
its a shame that they dont make it even easier to flash...
i mean please, the only thing that they are doing is:
- Prepare a Rom from scratch
- Provide updates
- Try to fix bugs
- And that in their free time for free
why not make a rom that i click on and its installed on my device...
like windows popups...
Click on Link and choose:
a- Save
b- Open
c- Flash to my Phone, make all the settings and text my GF that i love her...
Pleaseeee mate...
Not everyone is a dev here but at least we should be able to flash a rom...
Cooking takes days and week, flashing in WORST case 1 hour...
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@smalmagal
why not make a rom that i click on and its installed on my device...
like windows popups...
Click on Link and choose:
a- Save
b- Open
c- Flash to my Phone, make all the settings and text my GF that i love her...
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Made my day!!! LOL !! could you please add
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ha ha ha ha ha ha hah!!
Bulut.O said:
@smalmagal
you are aboulutely right...
its a shame that they dont make it even easier to flash...
i mean please, the only thing that they are doing is:
- Prepare a Rom from scratch
- Provide updates
- Try to fix bugs
- And that in their free time for free
why not make a rom that i click on and its installed on my device...
like windows popups...
Click on Link and choose:
a- Save
b- Open
c- Flash to my Phone, make all the settings and text my GF that i love her...
Pleaseeee mate...
Not everyone is a dev here but at least we should be able to flash a rom...
Cooking takes days and week, flashing in WORST case 1 hour...
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Are you serious???????Do you think rom flashing is like installing your favorite app???As I said when Stock ICS is released everything would become easy
Bulut.O said:
@smalmagal
you are aboulutely right...
its a shame that they dont make it even easier to flash...
i mean please, the only thing that they are doing is:
- Prepare a Rom from scratch
- Provide updates
- Try to fix bugs
- And that in their free time for free
why not make a rom that i click on and its installed on my device...
like windows popups...
Click on Link and choose:
a- Save
b- Open
c- Flash to my Phone, make all the settings and text my GF that i love her...
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vijai2011 said:
Are you serious???????Do you think rom flashing is like installing your favorite app???As I said when Stock ICS is released everything would become easy
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@vijai2011 you completely missed the point!! Didn't you??
The things said by @Bulut.O is called SARCASM
Read again!! And this time carefully!!
Peace
I'm serious guys! This is the only device I've ever owned where I have to flash a million different files just to get my phone booting...so I'm just trying to understand what's up. And obviously I LOVE the Note or else I wouldn't have bought two.
Developers do this for free...okay, yeah...but they don't have to do it half-assed? If I was going to sell you a car, I'd probably give it to you one piece. I wouldn't make you take all the parts and put them together yourself only in the end to find out that you're missing the engine and have to start all over again. And honestly, that's how I feel around here sometimes.
And the comment about Windows is out of line. I don't use Windows...why does everyone assume Windows? Honestly don't know why more don't use Linux around here. Windows just plan ol' sucks.
Edit: Custom ROMS aren't build from "scratch" by the way...and not everyone around here who posts a ROM is a "developer."
This issue is not because of lazy developers. It is because Samsung is tired of replacing devices under warranty when the terms of said warranty have been broken, and as a result putting extra security measures in place.
Lazy developers would let you get the yellow triangle, and then let you foot the bill for your mistakes while flashing.
beestee said:
This issue is not because of lazy developers. It is because Samsung is tired of replacing devices under warranty when the terms of said warranty have been broken, and as a result putting extra security measures in place.
Lazy developers would let you get the yellow triangle, and then let you foot the bill for your mistakes while flashing.
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Huh? I'm talking about doing everything from CWM...not from ODIN. So no yellow triangle...and as far as I know, every custom ROM around here is a CWM flashable .zip file...minus the oh so coveted ICS repack...which needs ODIN for some unknown reason to me. So now, I'm not calling myself lazy, or the developers around here for that matter. There's a good reason, I know it...I want to find out. Samsung is a different beast for sure, and this is the first Samsung device I've owned, and I'm trying to avoid bricking again, so I'd like to learn all the procedures and such...and why they're necessary. It's for my piece of mind really.
smalmagal said:
Huh? I'm talking about doing everything from CWM...not from ODIN. So no yellow triangle...and as far as I know, every custom ROM around here is a CWM flashable .zip file...minus the oh so coveted ICS repack...which needs ODIN for some unknown reason to me. So now, I'm not calling myself lazy, or the developers around here for that matter. There's a good reason, I know it...I want to find out. Samsung is a different beast for sure, and this is the first Samsung device I've owned, and I'm trying to avoid bricking again, so I'd like to learn all the procedures and such...and why they're necessary. It's for my piece of mind really.
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You just answered your own question. The process is long and somewhat complicated because it HAS to be done via recovery. If it were done via download mode in ODIN, it would be much simpler; but it would trip the counter. Using recovery instead of download mode sidesteps this problem, but it introduces others. That is why flashing to/from ICS/GB via recovery is so complicated.
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I appreciate you bleeding edge types, but this is why I wait a few weeks AFTER an official rom is released, before I even consider a custom rom.
ICS is still an infant...I'd rather have one that was at least able to drive a car before I install it.
geo.samuel said:
@vijai2011 you completely missed the point!! Didn't you??
The things said by @Bulut.O is called SARCASM
Read again!! And this time carefully!!
Peace
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Lol....Ok.understood it now.Now generally as said in above post,lazy developers would let you get triangles and increase custom binaries.So they need to make multiple files which makes your phone ready for flashing your favorite firmware.If you probably own a galaxy s series you would know how easy it was to flash firmwares.Thats because sammy did not implement any security measures which Gnote has.Hope you understand
smalmagal said:
every custom ROM around here is a CWM flashable .zip file...minus the oh so coveted ICS repack...which needs ODIN for some unknown reason to me.
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It's because of the kernel and root. Unlike GB kernels, this one seems to be a bit wonky, and your root permissions get lost easily in CWMR flashing or Nand restoring. Hence the convoluted flashing procedures. Lack of code sources, I suppose.
All of us have to accept this if we want a taste of Roms based on the Chinese leak. No-one is happy with the current state of the affairs, but we manage.
Nobody is forcing you to deal with it. If you can't, stick with GB Roms until the final version of ICS drops.
I have flashed several ICS Roms and only flashed the chainfire repack the very first time when I moved to ICS from gingerbread. I have flashed Criskelo, rocket and midnote just from CWM. Never had a triangle, SOD etc...just full wipe before I flashed and then cleared caches after.
When should you do a full wipe when installing a custom rom and when is it ok to dirty flash? Can someone please explain?
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If you're changing bases it's always good to wipe. And if you're changing roms you should always wipe. But if you're just applying an update you might get away with a dirty flash. Save a backup first and you don't risk much with a dirty flash.
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lampel said:
If you're changing bases it's always good to wipe. And if you're changing roms you should always wipe. But if you're just applying an update you might get away with a dirty flash. Save a backup first and you don't risk much with a dirty flash.
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I apologize if this is a stupid question. When you say change base what exactly do you mean? Is this from one rom to another or a version change on the same rom like 5.0 to 6.0? Or is it a kernal change? If it is a version change would 5.1 to 5.6 be considered changing base?
Thank you very much. Again, I apologize if this is a dumb question. I have read around a little and did not quite get an answer I was comfortable with.
easyrabbit said:
I apologize if this is a stupid question. When you say change base what exactly do you mean? Is this from one rom to another or a version change on the same rom like 5.0 to 6.0? Or is it a kernal change? If it is a version change would 5.1 to 5.6 be considered changing base?
Thank you very much. Again, I apologize if this is a dumb question. I have read around a little and did not quite get an answer I was comfortable with.
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What rom are you using?
CYNiCAL2KX said:
What rom are you using?
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I am using VenomOne 5.7.0 but it is more of a general question. I am a bit new to this and want to have a good understanding of everything from the ground up.
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easyrabbit said:
I am using VenomOne 5.7.0 but it is more of a general question. I am a bit new to this and want to have a good understanding of everything from the ground up.
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Sorry I meant ViperOne...
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I am using VenomOne 5.7.0 but it is more of a general question. I am a bit new to this and want to have a good understanding of everything from the ground up.
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Sorry I meant ViperOne...
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'4.19.401.8' that is the current base which is in use by viper. Sometimes it's okay to flash, it's trail and error.
Always make a Nand before you flash, incase anything goes wrong, you can go back to the previous version, like a windows restore point.
A fresh install is wiping data and cache in TWRP it's called a factory reset. This doesn't format the /sdcard/0 so all sd card data remains.
If you were to flash a older base with a newer one, it may work perfectly, it may not, what I do is: Create a Nandroid of system,data,boot. Wipe, then install, then I restore data only. This way the phone tends to be (fairly) just how you left it, with messages, apps etc still remaining.
Like I said, after making a Nand, just flash unless the OP says specifically not to. Then if you have issues, it's a simple case of rolling back by restoring Data, System. I hope this answers your question, I think you'll just get the hang of how it works just by actually giving it ago, not much can really go wrong unless you start flashing things not meant for your phone.
CYNiCAL2KX said:
'4.19.401.8' that is the current base which is in use by viper. Sometimes it's okay to flash, it's trail and error.
Always make a Nand before you flash, incase anything goes wrong, you can go back to the previous version, like a windows restore point.
A fresh install is wiping data and cache in TWRP it's called a factory reset. This doesn't format the /sdcard/0 so all sd card data remains.
If you were to flash a older base with a newer one, it may work perfectly, it may not, what I do is: Create a Nandroid of system,data,boot. Wipe, then install, then I restore data only. This way the phone tends to be (fairly) just how you left it, with messages, apps etc still remaining.
Like I said, after making a Nand, just flash unless the OP says specifically not to. Then if you have issues, it's a simple case of rolling back by restoring Data, System. I hope this answers your question, I think you'll just get the hang of how it works just by actually giving it ago, not much can really go wrong unless you start flashing things not meant for your phone.
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Thank you very much for the info. So now I understand what the base is. Aside from time or laziness I would think that doing a full wipe is the way to go. Maybe I am wrong but I would rather not take chances.
Right now Iam currently having some issues. I basically did a dirty flash of the same version I am on to clear the theme and it went wrong. It never came back up after an hour in the "starting applications" state. After that I got back in to recovery (TWRP) and did full wipes and installs. They seem to go OK but then the android setup crashes right after the "name your device" part and the launcher wont start (chose Nova). Everything just hangs. I reboot but then it just hangs. I just did my nandroid restore and I am back up and running but not sure what is going wrong. I tried the install a few times with different options but everytime the setup part crashes. So my simple question is now another full blown issue haha.
I love this board tho, everyone is so helpful. One day I hope to be the one giving the advice.
CYNiCAL2KX said:
'4.19.401.8' that is the current base which is in use by viper. Sometimes it's okay to flash, it's trail and error.
Always make a Nand before you flash, incase anything goes wrong, you can go back to the previous version, like a windows restore point.
A fresh install is wiping data and cache in TWRP it's called a factory reset. This doesn't format the /sdcard/0 so all sd card data remains.
If you were to flash a older base with a newer one, it may work perfectly, it may not, what I do is: Create a Nandroid of system,data,boot. Wipe, then install, then I restore data only. This way the phone tends to be (fairly) just how you left it, with messages, apps etc still remaining.
Like I said, after making a Nand, just flash unless the OP says specifically not to. Then if you have issues, it's a simple case of rolling back by restoring Data, System. I hope this answers your question, I think you'll just get the hang of how it works just by actually giving it ago, not much can really go wrong unless you start flashing things not meant for your phone.
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May I ask, is restoring the data folder similar to adb backup/restore or even titanium? With titanium I could just restore messages or whatever. Doing the whole data folder could put back something I dont want or something I want to get rid of. With my current situation I think this might solve my issue with setup but I really wanted to start from scratch and retweak everything.
Regarding the base, I cant seem to find where I can check that on the device. It is not in settings-about where I would expect to find it.
I am finally working my nerve up to try this again and figure out why the initial android setup is crashing. I am getting more comfortable now especially since I know my nandroid restore works. Good fun but scares the hell out of me at the same time when things go wrong haha....
easyrabbit said:
May I ask, is restoring the data folder similar to adb backup/restore or even titanium? With titanium I could just restore messages or whatever. Doing the whole data folder could put back something I dont want or something I want to get rid of. With my current situation I think this might solve my issue with setup but I really wanted to start from scratch and retweak everything.
Regarding the base, I cant seem to find where I can check that on the device. It is not in settings-about where I would expect to find it.
I am finally working my nerve up to try this again and figure out why the initial android setup is crashing. I am getting more comfortable now especially since I know my nandroid restore works. Good fun but scares the hell out of me at the same time when things go wrong haha....
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Ususally most issues regarding cross flashed bases are problems derived from the system partition, however i'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never really had many issues restoring data. Also, once you back up data , you can install a Nandroid manager app where you can restore certain things from nand backups. This is what I chose to use over things like titanium as it's just another thing to do
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Ususally most issues regarding cross flashed bases are problems derived from the system partition, however i'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never really had many issues restoring data. Also, once you back up data , you can install a Nandroid manager app where you can restore certain things from nand backups. This is what I chose to use over things like titanium as it's just another thing to do
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Thank you very much. I have heard back and forth on wiping the system but had never done it till now. I am still not sure what was happening. in my initial installs I allways removed sense and used Nova. The last time I left Sense and most off the apps. I also 're-downloaded the zip. it worked like a charm. soon I will start investigating kernals and updating firmwae and antennas. Will play with the basics for a while first tho. eventually I would like to try my own. However the bar is set high with venomone.
I am now dealing with sense which is ok bit for me Nova is as close to perfect a launcher for me. still investigating battery lifevetc but will probably do another flash removing sense. venomone fixed everything I didnt like about it for the most part but I love to be able to swipe up or down anywhere to get quickbar and app drawer... still testing tho, I have a full life but definitely want to contribute here... my new obsession.