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Report says that Samsung won't use Snapdragon 810 in Galaxy S6, overheating issues to blame
By Harish Jonnalagadda | Jan 21 2015 | 4:25 am | 12 Comments
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Over the last few years, Samsung has stuck to a release model for its flagships that sees the inclusion of Qualcomm chips for LTE markets, and Exynos-based variants in South Korea and emerging markets. That may change with the Galaxy S6, as a report out of Bloomberg states that Samsung won't offer a Snapdragon 810 variant of the Galaxy S6 on grounds of overheating issues.
Citing people familiar with the matter, Bloomberg says that Qualcomm's eight-core Snapdragon 810 "overheated during the Korean company's testing," with Samsung finally deciding not to use it altogether. Samsung will instead launch the Galaxy S6 with an in-house Exynos SoC. The South Korean manufacturer has been making huge strides in the field of application processors, with the latest version featuring an integrated LTE modem.
Samsung isn't far off in terms of processing power when seen against Qualcomm's offerings, but the vendor, along with everyone else in the segment including MediaTek, Intel and Nvidia, are miles behind Qualcomm when it comes to LTE modems. For instance, Qualcomm announced that it will offer the Snapdragon 810 with an LTE Category 9 modem that can attain download speeds of up to 450 Mbit/sec.
If Samsung is indeed looking to boycott the Snapdragon 810, it may be in the minority, as LG's G Flex 2 has Qualcomm's eight-core SoC, and HTC's upcoming One M9 is also expected to feature Qualcomm's latest.
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Tswfootball
If Samsung skips it due to overheating issues should we be concerned about flagship devices using it?
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arutemauepon
We don't know if it's real or they just made it up so they can opt for exynos
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rd_nest
Why should they do that when they have been using Qualcomm for past many years? It's a business, not fight among kids where you need to give a useless logic. If Samsung just wanted to use Exynos, they would simply do so without even talking about Qualcomm. There is no logic to giving any sort of explanation.
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Benjamin_NYC
Right. It's a business. And using their own in house chip is cheaper. This is a smoke screen.
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9ersfan3
The Exynos 7 is so powerful it may have the 810 trumped. I wish the SD 805 had issues that forced Samsung to go with only the Exynos 5433 on the note 4, lol. Exynos is now top of the line. The days of the octa 5420 (which is still very powerful) are over. The cat 9 of the 810 is impressive though
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zzzaac
Well it's all rumours until the phone actually shows up, personally don't mind either one, as both the Snapdragon and Exynos (which one though?) seem to be beasts.
But some modders might not like the Exynos
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zizu101
At the HTC event, I would like if AC could ask about this issue. I don't want to get an overheating mess on the m9.
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Benjamin_NYC
LOL AC "editors" don't ask any "questions" that might prove difficult for manufacturers or Google. They simply report the fluff presented to them.
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rd_nest
@harish Jonnalagadda, why are you mentioning Cat 9 modem as it is of much importance here? Samsung already is planning for in-house Cat 10 modem, so why suddenly Cat 9 be of any importance. Forget Cat 9/10, how many regions can actually exceed Cat 6??
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-exynos-cat10-lte-450mbps,28177....
http://www.gsmarena.com/next_samsung_exynos_soc_rumored_to_feature_cat10...
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Peter Burkes
I have a Samsung Galaxy s5 & its over heating as well. Never had this problem before with any Galaxy phones.
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Mighty_Red
Bit of a worry really, as if it is a problem with the 810 chip itself, the other vendors will have issues. On the other hand, if it is simply the design of the S6 that is to blame for the issues then Sammy are not doing such a great job.
Either way, I'm glad I'll be skipping this years offerings, hopefully 2016 will have stable CPU choices, 2K with no lag and type C USB
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tonybyatt
What are you talking about? There are no 2015 flagships even out yet...
How about waiting for facts before making absurd comments...
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If the overheating issues are a fact, then Samsung would have an edge if they designed a mean SoC. Especially if their competitors are going for the 810.
I've also been missing the Wolfson DAC, since the Exynos version is impossible to find unless I'm looking abroad. Would be nice to have that opportunity.
With all the reported issues in the 810, I'd avoid any phone based on it, and wait for one based on the 820.
It would be better if Samsung stuck to one CPU per Galaxy model though, IMO, I remember the Note 2 being Exynos globally, if I'm not mistaken?
POLO_i780 said:
With all the reported issues in the 810, I'd avoid any phone based on it, and wait for one based on the 820.
It would be better if Samsung stuck to one CPU per Galaxy model though, IMO, I remember the Note 2 being Exynos globally, if I'm not mistaken?
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Yep, same as the S3.
S3 had snapdragon s4 in north america i think
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lordoftheriffs said:
S3 had snapdragon s4 in north america i think
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That's correct, the Note 2 was quite strange in that it was only Exynos which I was sure was an error since most other Samsung devices used Qualcomm in the US and some other territories but it does seem to be the case.
Johnmcl7 said:
That's correct, the Note 2 was quite strange in that it was only Exynos which I was sure was an error since most other Samsung devices used Qualcomm in the US and some other territories but it does seem to be the case.
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My understanding was that it used separate lte radio. Now days they go for integrated solution
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Glad they are dumping crapdragon (as I call) in favor of exynos, the should have done it long back
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POLO_i780 said:
With all the reported issues in the 810, I'd avoid any phone based on it, and wait for one based on the 820.
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Agree.
As I've said before, the 810 turns out to be a bad chip.
Johnmcl7 said:
That's correct, the Note 2 was quite strange in that it was only Exynos which I was sure was an error since most other Samsung devices used Qualcomm in the US and some other territories but it does seem to be the case.
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Wait, there was no SD Note 2?
Mafle93 said:
Wait, there was no SD Note 2?
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That's correct, there were variants with different radio support but they all used the Samsung Exynos platform rather than Snapdragon. I initially assumed a friend in the US was wrong when he said his US Note 2 was Exynos but when I read up on it I couldn't find any variants using a Snapdragon platform.
Johnmcl7 said:
That's correct, there were variants with different radio support but they all used the Samsung Exynos platform rather than Snapdragon. I initially assumed a friend in the US was wrong when he said his US Note 2 was Exynos but when I read up on it I couldn't find any variants using a Snapdragon platform.
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Hm, I didn't know! Usually, we get the SD where I live. Our S3 was Exynos. I stand corrected.
snapdragons this generation and the next suck so im happy they decided to ditch it for the s6. maybe we will get a 64 bit kernel for our note 4s finally if they go all in on exy 7s for the s6.
They should put a heatsink fan on s805
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Personally, i give a damn on what processor the Note 5 will use (as that will be my next phone or maybe the Note 6). Because what matters to me is that the CPU and ofc the GPU gives me good performance and as long as i can root and install a good custom ROM on the Note without any hassles or problems, then i will be all happy.
I know there are more support for the Snapdragon CPU's when it comes to custom ROM's, but i do believe it's alright for the Exynos version to if i'm not wrong here?
Mafle93 said:
Wait, there was no SD Note 2?
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Nope. This is why "Exynos abuse" was easiest way to root Note 2.
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zurkx said:
snapdragons this generation and the next suck so im happy they decided to ditch it for the s6. maybe we will get a 64 bit kernel for our note 4s finally if they go all in on exy 7s for the s6.
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Agree. I tried out Note 4 with SD at Best Buy and decided to go with Exynos version. The lags and stutters on SD version are too obvious. Also not happy with audio/music quality on SD DAC.
Tom-Helge said:
Personally, i give a damn on what processor the Note 5 will use (as that will be my next phone or maybe the Note 6). Because what matters to me is that the CPU and ofc the GPU gives me good performance and as long as i can root and install a good custom on the Note without any hassles or problems, then i will be all happy.
I know there are more support for the Snapdragon CPU's when it comes to custom ROM's, but i do believe it's alright for the Exynos version to if i'm not wrong here?
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You mean you don't give a damn? Anyway, CPU performance is hardly a problem these days. A lot more of it is in software optimization. The support for the SD SoCs is a lot bigger, since it's everywhere. More closed source SoCs, like the Exynos, are only to be found in Samsung's phones. It's harder to develop a proper CM for it due to closed source libs, but some of the most skilled developers in here are still doing some amazing work.
darekz said:
Nope. This is why "Exynos abuse" was easiest way to root Note 2.
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I see, thanks
Personally, I think Samsung should go for the Exynos, as Qualcomm has hardly any competition. With Samsung being one of the biggest manufacturers, I think it can make a huge difference. If Samsung is just consistent, using only the Exynoses in their flagships at least.
Exynos Note 4 users can expect a increase in Android development if the chip used in the S6 is similar enough =)
Qualcomm to provide Samsung with a modified Snapdragon 810:
http://www.gsmarena.com/qualcomm_to_provide_samsung_with_a_modified_snapdragon_810-news-10895.php
Can someone please tel me what camera sensor Note 8 have? I mean, for Qualcomm and Exynos versions. Are they again Samsung for Exynos and Sony for Qualcomm? I like more the Sony one, for me looks better than Samsung one. You can get this info with Aida64.
I have Samsung sensors on my S8 (Exynos) and Sony on S8 Active, and for me Sony is way better than Samsung one. Also the signal seems better with Qualcomm...
Thank You!
The Qualcomm is Sony, not sure about the other.
For exynos version is SLSI_S5K2L2_FIMC_IS ( a.k.a Samsung made)
P.s. Just like in S8 / 8+ versions
Oh, that's really great news. Thank You!!!
So how much of a difference is there between the Sony and Samsung modules in the real world (if any)?
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apprentice said:
So how much of a difference is there between the Sony and Samsung modules in the real world (if any)?
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Well, Sony is much ponderate on mega sharping the images, more natural colors and look, better quality. On S7 was the same problem. Sony sensor better and more natural than Samsung one. Also Samsung sensor use more agressive "beauty face"...
I have S8 Active and S8 with Exynos and I will never buy again a Samsung Phone with Samsung photo sensor Simply sucks vs Sony one on Qualcomm versions. I will take some comparos and put them online soon to see the differences.
CatalinGP said:
Well, Sony is much ponderate on mega sharping the images, more natural colors and look, better quality. On S7 was the same problem. Sony sensor better and more natural than Samsung one. Also Samsung sensor use more agressive "beauty face"...
I have S8 Active and S8 with Exynos and I will never buy again a Samsung Phone with Samsung photo sensor Simply sucks vs Sony one on Qualcomm versions. I will take some comparos and put them online soon to see the differences.
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Thanks for the explanation. I have only ever owned Exynos versions of Sammy devices, always loved the way my photos turn out, so I guess I never had much to compare them with. I would be very interested to see real world examples of the difference.
How do we know what sensors are in our devices?
Aida64 is free. Look at "Devices", Front-Facing Camera and you will see SONY_IMX333 (depends on the phone) or SLSI_S5K2L2 etc. wich is Samsung sensor.
https://imgur.com/a/u4zFm
One quick example in low office light.
i do not think that the differences are THAT BIG as in those pictures ... i mean the detail, the dynamic range are totaly different
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i do not think that the differences are THAT BIG as in those pictures ... i mean the detail, the dynamic range are totaly different
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Same place, same time, same light etc. But not in all conditions are so different. That's true. Anyway, that beauty effect on the face it's present all the time when the light is not perfect. (on Samsung senzor)
also focused area is different ...
Hi. I just observed that exynoss version n9 has currently better custom.rom support than the snapdragon one. Not sure if I am looking at the right forum as I always thought custom rom support is easy on snapdragon. Pls clarify
Should be because most snapdragon model out there can't unlock the bootloader, for Samsung
kirankowshik said:
Hi. I just observed that exynoss version n9 has currently better custom.rom support than the snapdragon one. Not sure if I am looking at the right forum as I always thought custom rom support is easy on snapdragon. Pls clarify
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Take a look for yourself:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...on-roms-kernels-recoveries--other-development
Short answer:
Model SM-N960F & SM-N960F-D/S: (Exynos) Root & ROMs
Model SM-N9600: (Snapdragon International) Root & ROM (Yes,only one ROM ATM)
Model SM-N960U / SM-N960U1 / SM-N960W: (Snapdragon North America) Nothing,don't expect this to change anytime soon,if ever.
Model SM-N960N (Korean version,other Korean versions that are carrier specific may exist,or,as with the American & Canadian versions,share the same model number) You'll have to look for yourself,little to nothing exists here @ XDA.
If you want detailed what & why's,Google & XDA Search is your friend,the topic of ROM support has been discussed at great length on many sites/forums......................
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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FWIW,some are stating Android 9.0 brought some performance improvements to the Exynos version.
However,if you're set on the SM-N9600 Snapdragon version (& the limited development support),this thread goes off-topic discussing GSI ROMs,give it a look & ask around:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ries--other-development/rom-weta-0-1-t3847155
Give the 1st post in the link a good look for links to further discussions of the int'l SnapDragon model..............
Thank you for the info. If I have a n960 u1 version does it have bootloader unlocked? I saw somewhwre that u1 is the unlocked version. In that case will I be able to flash any gsi treble roms?
kirankowshik said:
Thank you for the info. If I have a n960 u1 version does it have bootloader unlocked? I saw somewhwre that u1 is the unlocked version. In that case will I be able to flash any gsi treble roms?
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No, the SM-N960U/U1/W versions do not have an unlockable bootloader.
The unlock you're referring to is in regards to the carrier free version (SIM Unlocked).
https://youtu.be/lVIHuC6v39E
Oh okay got it. So only the n9600 and n960f f/ds have bootloader unlocks. Please confirm
kirankowshik said:
Oh okay got it. So only the n9600 and n960f f/ds have bootloader unlocks. Please confirm
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Yes, exactly, but, don't take my word for it.....
If you look around, the exact question you're posing has been asked & answered numerous times.
kirankowshik said:
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
high_voltage said:
Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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But the gap is very little now between exynos and snapdragon
I see multiple benchmark that stated these
I don't have either ones
But i order the exynos because it's the only version available in my country
But after seeing the difference I desid i will flip it
But now after the pie update and the improvement
I don't know what to do
Btw ( the price was good 650$)
Can you share a benchmark in pie since you have exynos
ahmedwhy said:
But the gap is very little now between exynos and snapdragon
I see multiple benchmark that stated these
I don't have either ones
But i order the exynos because it's the only version available in my country
But after seeing the difference I desid i will flip it
But now after the pie update and the improvement
I don't know what to do
Btw ( the price was good 650$)
Can you share a benchmark in pie since you have exynos
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25-35% slower GPU (depending on the workload/game), frame drops are a lot more with the exynos, battery life is lower, apps opens slower, heavy multitasking is worse/choppier. Yes, the scores improved, but I am yet to see note 9 sd android 9 scores, so maybe they improved too. Search for the Andrei's article in anandtech mobile section (second page currently), he compared the two note 9 variants. Yes, they are both on oreo, but you can see what is the overall situation. Not to mention that no matter how much samsung tweak the SOC control, they cannot change the hardware part of it. You decide for yourself, I also have the exynos and the phone is good, just wish that I had the better one...
For 650$ it's a good phone. Don't return it, I am sure you will love it.
high_voltage said:
Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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Can I assume you have held both variants in your hands? Which models? (N960F & N9600?)
Just out of interest, can you say more specifically what was vastly superior on the Snapdragon variant?
I have only checked the Exynos variant (N960F running Oreo with October patch) at a local store and simply browsing around the interface, it was very fast and fluid.
Is the performance so different that side-by-side, the Snapdragon variant is visually faster and smoother/more fluid?
Keep in mind, there are other differences as well. For example, the HK variant of the N9600 does not have VoLTE.
For what its worth, I ordered the Snapdragon variant as well because I want the top internal specs and was willing to pay a slight premium to get it. Hopefully I can modify the the software to address the shortcomings over the Exynos 950FD.
I also hope that we see more ROMs for the N9600.
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25-35% slower GPU (depending on the workload/game), frame drops are a lot more with the exynos, battery life is lower, apps opens slower, heavy multitasking is worse/choppier. Yes, the scores improved, but I am yet to see note 9 sd android 9 scores, so maybe they improved too. Search for the Andrei's article in anandtech mobile section (second page currently), he compared the two note 9 variants. Yes, they are both on oreo, but you can see what is the overall situation. Not to mention that no matter how much samsung tweak the SOC control, they cannot change the hardware part of it. You decide for yourself, I also have the Exynos and the phone is good, just wish that I had the better one...
For 650$ it's a good phone. Don't return it, I am sure you will love it.
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thank you very much for replying
yes i sow the post for anandtech
and that scare the s*it of me
but i in the other side there are benchmarks
withe exynos have 255000 in antutu and sd have 280000
so these number is good
and btw the highest sd 854 sd score was 280000 on the pocophone and oneplus 6t
so i think they can improve it more
and tweaking the kernel make wonder
especially if they weren't tweaked right from the start
Byte_76 said:
Can I assume you have held both variants in your hands? Which models? (N960F & N9600?)
Just out of interest, can you say more specifically what was vastly superior on the Snapdragon variant?
I have only checked the Exynos variant (N960F running Oreo with October patch) at a local store and simply browsing around the interface, it was very fast and fluid.
Is the performance so different that side-by-side, the Snapdragon variant is visually faster and smoother/more fluid?
Keep in mind, there are other differences as well. For example, the HK variant of the N9600 does not have VoLTE.
For what its worth, I ordered the Snapdragon variant as well because I want the top internal specs and was willing to pay a slight premium to get it. Hopefully I can modify the the software to address the shortcomings over the Exynos 950FD.
I also hope that we see more ROMs for the N9600.
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What shortcomings? Few respected members @ XDA got both variants, Andrei from anandtech got them (he is also known as developer, if you didn't know), friend of mine who lives outside my country currently also got them. All of them returned the exynos and kept the snapdragon, all of them said they came prepare into that comparison but didn't expect the difference to be that big. There are also real tests that solidify this with facts + geekbench is THE ONLY bench that put the exynos CPU part ahead of the snapdragon, every other bench is the opposite. The exynos is not that bad, it's just not on the snapdragon level - there are more frame drops here and there, battery life is worse, the GPU is A LOT weaker leading to vastly worse gaming, app loading is slower (and this hurts a lot, simple example - app opening most will say w/e if it's 0.5s more, but when you open notification from messenger and in the one case it's like iphone smooth/instant opening the app and in the other slight delay and choppy animations when opening - then the user experience suffers), heavy multitasking is slower and choppier in the animations when transitions are happening, emulators are a lot worse on the exynos too. Just search for "how to improve exynos 9810" part 1 and 2 @ anandtech, then read the direct note 9 variants comparison and you will get the idea with facts. Subjectively everyone who tried the both variants said the same, this doesn't make the note 9 exynos super bad, but I payed more money (1140$ as euro > $) than someone in USA to get high tier midrange SOC. Don't forget that nowdays even a midrange SOC can run everything smooth, even games... but after a year, or two? What if you wan't to play demanding game and instead of fps drops to 20, to have 60 stable? What if you wan't smooth experience instead of frame drop here, frame drop there, choppy app opening, etc). Why should I pay more for less? Hell, even the DAC on the sd845 is really stepped up and the wolfson/lucky in the exynos are no more vastly better...
The exynos 9820 from what is officially revealed from samsung and leaked - will be no different, vastly behind the sd855, but let's see. (also both are roflstomped from the apple's A12 and even A11 pulls ahead, sadly they got other problems like price, locked OS, etc).
So to sum it up: is the exynos version that bad? No, it's not at all. The snapdragon version is just better at... everything this year and the difference is bigger than ever. When we combine that with the fact that in Europe we pay 1000 euro for the phone or 1140$ while in USA someone will pay 1000$ and receive a better GPU/CPU in the phone... well, yes, it's not fair and not like we have a choice either. Especially with this year week android manufacturers performance with copycat of apple iphone's worse aspects without taking the good ones.
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ahmedwhy said:
thank you very much for replying
yes i sow the post for anandtech
and that scare the s*it of me
but i in the other side there are benchmarks
withe exynos have 255000 in antutu and sd have 280000
so these number is good
and btw the highest sd 854 sd score was 280000 on the pocophone and oneplus 6t
so i think they can improve it more
and tweaking the kernel make wonder
especially if they weren't tweaked right from the start
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No need to be scared, the exynos variant is just fine. I am just a tech heavy person that has the knowledge to understand the deep architectural dives and into hardware, thus I can tell you that as a hardware the exynos 9810 even tweaked to it's best possible way will never match the sd845 both in CPU and GPU (or come close to it for an fact). The mali GPU just don't have the raw power to even be in the same class with the adreno, even the sd835 is faster in GPU. The CPU big cores has a lot going on, BUT they are really power hungry. Unleashing them to close the gap to the sd845 CPU, will lead to a bad battery life and a lot of heat - so it's not viable. Also there is something that should not be forgotten, galaxy s10 is just around the corner and tweaking the note 9/s9 will absolutely not be priority. The efforts from the competent engineers will go towards 9820 in the s10. What we have in android 9 will be most likely the last tweaking for performance for this device (atleast to a more measurable degree).
This should not scare you, as I said - the note 9 exynos is just fine and you will see that when you receive the device. I am talking about more of an power user perspective, but then again - you pay the same money as the person that got a better version of the phone = this is totally a scam from samsung, albeit a legal one.
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What shortcomings? Few respected members @ XDA got both variants, Andrei from anandtech got them (he is also known as developer, if you didn't know), friend of mine who lives outside my country currently also got them. All of them returned the exynos and kept the snapdragon, all of them said they came prepare into that comparison but didn't expect the difference to be that big. There are also real tests that solidify this with facts + geekbench is THE ONLY bench that put the exynos CPU part ahead of the snapdragon, every other bench is the opposite. The exynos is not that bad, it's just not on the snapdragon level - there are more frame drops here and there, battery life is worse, the GPU is A LOT weaker leading to vastly worse gaming, app loading is slower (and this hurts a lot, simple example - app opening most will say w/e if it's 0.5s more, but when you open notification from messenger and in the one case it's like iphone smooth/instant opening the app and in the other slight delay and choppy animations when opening - then the user experience suffers), heavy multitasking is slower and choppier in the animations when transitions are happening, emulators are a lot worse on the exynos too. Just search for "how to improve exynos 9810" part 1 and 2 @ anandtech, then read the direct note 9 variants comparison and you will get the idea with facts. Subjectively everyone who tried the both variants said the same, this doesn't make the note 9 exynos super bad, but I payed more money (1140$ as euro > $) than someone in USA to get high tier midrange SOC. Don't forget that nowdays even a midrange SOC can run everything smooth, even games... but after a year, or two? What if you wan't to play demanding game and instead of fps drops to 20, to have 60 stable? What if you wan't smooth experience instead of frame drop here, frame drop there, choppy app opening, etc). Why should I pay more for less? Hell, even the DAC on the sd845 is really stepped up and the wolfson/lucky in the exynos are no more vastly better...
The exynos 9820 from what is officially revealed from samsung and leaked - will be no different, vastly behind the sd855, but let's see. (also both are roflstomped from the apple's A12 and even A11 pulls ahead, sadly they got other problems like price, locked OS, etc).
So to sum it up: is the exynos version that bad? No, it's not at all. The snapdragon version is just better at... everything this year and the difference is bigger than ever. When we combine that with the fact that in Europe we pay 1000 euro for the phone or 1140$ while in USA someone will pay 1000$ and receive a better GPU/CPU in the phone... well, yes, it's not fair and not like we have a choice either. Especially with this year week android manufacturers performance with copycat of apple iphone's worse aspects without taking the good ones.
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No need to be scared, the exynos variant is just fine. I am just a tech heavy person that has the knowledge to understand the deep architectural dives and into hardware, thus I can tell you that as a hardware the exynos 9810 even tweaked to it's best possible way will never match the sd845 both in CPU and GPU (or come close to it for an fact). The mali GPU just don't have the raw power to even be in the same class with the adreno, even the sd835 is faster in GPU. The CPU big cores has a lot going on, BUT they are really power hungry. Unleashing them to close the gap to the sd845 CPU, will lead to a bad battery life and a lot of heat - so it's not viable. Also there is something that should not be forgotten, galaxy s10 is just around the corner and tweaking the note 9/s9 will absolutely not be priority. The efforts from the competent engineers will go towards 9820 in the s10. What we have in android 9 will be most likely the last tweaking for performance for this device (atleast to a more measurable degree).
This should not scare you, as I said - the note 9 exynos is just fine and you will see that when you receive the device. I am talking about more of an power user perspective, but then again - you pay the same money as the person that got a better version of the phone = this is totally a scam from samsung, albeit a legal one.
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i agree with in every word you sayed
me too i consider my self a tech heavy person
and i know deep in mind i will never be in rest after this knowledge
but it's the only option i have or the oneplus 6t or the pocophone
and i didn't pay the full price just 650
so i think it's not a bad of deal
oneplus 6t have the same price with better soc by 10% and better support and oxygen os
or note with a better camera, display, fingerprint, design, mic, and vibration motor
and i trust in the build quality with Samsung more than i trust oneplus (maybe i am wrong )
but coming from note 4 for 5 years ...amazing phone
in the end, i chose Samsung and i hate my choice
agreed with you it's a scam and the worst ia a legal scam
i don't know these is possible every advertise and review unit to the reviewer is snapdragon
and if you bought the phone without knowing
in any country expect us
you will ge a different lowest phone .......whaaaat
how no one changing these
in my country (Egypt) there is no low to control that..... but in Europe
come on
if Samsung advertise there phone with Exynos SOC no one will pay it (at least every one know what is SOC)
I am also a tech savvy person with a long background in technology. I have a strong understanding of the architecture of the two SoC's in question.
Despite thinking that I had made up my mind to go with the Exynos variant in the copper color that I wanted, I too felt that I would not be happy knowing that I had paid top dollar for the Exynos variant. In the end, I chose the Snapdragon variant (at the last minute) despite having to go with a non-preferred color. I'll put a case on the phone and forget about the color but I'll have that mental satisfaction of knowing that I have the best SoC that was available in the Note 9.
That said, I was prepared to pay for the SD version and had the option to choose either way.
If my budget was fixed at $650 with the option to choose between OnePlus 6T, Poco Phone and a few other options, I would have chosen the Exynos Note 9 without a second thought. To me, the Note 9 is a lot better than the Poco Phone and compared to the 6T, you get a much better display, wirelss charging, a 4000mah battery and the stylus, to name just a few. (At near equal pricing, there really are a lot of advantages for the note 9 over the 6T that outweigh the benefits of the SD845 vs the Exynos 9810.)
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I am also a tech savvy person with a long background in technology. I have a strong understanding of the architecture of the two SoC's in question.
Despite thinking that I had made up my mind to go with the Exynos variant in the copper color that I wanted, I too felt that I would not be happy knowing that I had paid top dollar for the Exynos variant. In the end, I chose the Snapdragon variant (at the last minute) despite having to go with a non-preferred color. I'll put a case on the phone and forget about the color but I'll have that mental satisfaction of knowing that I have the best SoC that was available in the Note 9.
That said, I was prepared to pay for the SD version.and had the option to choose either way.
If my budget was fixed at $650 with the option to choose between OnePlus 6T, Poco Phone and a few other options, I would have chosen the Exynos Note 9 without a second thought. To me, the Note 9 is a lot better than the Poco Phone and compared to the 6T, you get a much better display, wirelss charging, a 4000mah battery and the stylus, to name just a few. (At near equal pricing, there really are a lot of advantages for the note 9 over the 6T that outweigh the benefits of the SD845 vs the Exynos 9810.)
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Thank you very much
I will go with the exynos and hope for the best
Hope you well have great time with your note
And hope we can compare our score in benchmarks when we receive it
ahmedwhy said:
i agree with in every word you sayed
me too i consider my self a tech heavy person
and i know deep in mind i will never be in rest after this knowledge
but it's the only option i have or the oneplus 6t or the pocophone
and i didn't pay the full price just 650
so i think it's not a bad of deal
oneplus 6t have the same price with better soc by 10% and better support and oxygen os
or note with a better camera, display, fingerprint, design, mic, and vibration motor
and i trust in the build quality with Samsung more than i trust oneplus (maybe i am wrong )
but coming from note 4 for 5 years ...amazing phone
in the end, i chose Samsung and i hate my choice
agreed with you it's a scam and the worst ia a legal scam
i don't know these is possible every advertise and review unit to the reviewer is snapdragon
and if you bought the phone without knowing
in any country expect us
you will ge a different lowest phone .......whaaaat
how no one changing these
in my country (Egypt) there is no low to control that..... but in Europe
come on
if Samsung advertise there phone with Exynos SOC no one will pay it (at least every one know what is SOC)
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Actually I would pick the exynos note 9 over the oneplus 6t, especially when they are both priced the same. Overall the note 9 is a better phone in a lot of ways.
I am probably going for n9600 version with snapdragon 845. Was struggling to decide between op6t and this but I am a bit crazy abt the features of note 9 rather than the op6t which seem barebones. I come from a nokia 7 plus hence its almost same on op6t. Another question, can you show me a way to unlocm bootloader on n9600? Any site for that. I tried looking around but cdnt get any
Hi all, I'm planning to buy note 9 dual sim but I'm in confusion to buy snapdragon model or Exynos model. I have searched a lot & found that snapdragon version in much faster than exynos. I also noted that rooting & customization stuff is mostly available for Exynos model.
So, which one to buy? I want to root it & flash custom rom in it. Please help.
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Just want to give you a warning not do this if you want to use Samsung pay and Samsung pass. So unlocking bootloader will trigger the safety thing in the knox chip which permanently breaks the Knox chip so apps like Samsung pay, Samsung pass secret folder wont function anymore since they need working Knox chip to work. Also encryption may break aswell since Knox stores the encryption keys I think.
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Just want to give you a warning not do this if you want to use Samsung pay and Samsung pass. So unlocking bootloader will trigger the safety thing in the knox chip which permanently breaks the Knox chip so apps like Samsung pay, Samsung pass secret folder wont function anymore since they need working Knox chip to work. Also encryption may break aswell since Knox stores the encryption keys I think.
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Yes i know that. Samsung pay is not useful for me as i use other payment methods. So which model should i buy?
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You pretty much answered your own question. Most of the community development happens on Exynos, so if you want to flash anything, get an Exynos variant.
If you live in the US then you would need to purchase the SnapDragon variant to get LTE/4G reception. As the Exynos variant isn't support for use in the US.
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Yes i know that. Samsung pay is not useful for me as i use other payment methods. So which model should i buy?
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It's your choice really. Keep in mind that there are not a lot of ROM/kernels (currently 1 kernel )/specific modifications for the exynos note 9. You won't get a lot out of it, imagine after a year - it will be totally dead in development. What you will get is vastly inferior phone with 30% slower GPU, worse battery life, slower apps loading, slower multitasking, UI frame drops. The sd845 is not somewhat better, it runs circles around the exynos 9810. Yep, I have the exynos note 9. So if you want 3-4 ROMS and 1 kernel currently that will be gone when s10/note 10 comes out - go for the SOC that is more a midrange category for the price of the highend variant.
Will just say that few XDA fellow members got their hands over the both variants, all of them coming prepared for a difference. All of them said the difference is a lot bigger than what they expected, kept the snapdragon and returned the exynos.
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It's your choice really. Keep in mind that there are not a lot of ROM/kernels (currently 1 kernel )/specific modifications for the exynos note 9. You won't get a lot out of it, imagine after a year - it will be totally dead in development. What you will get is vastly inferior phone with 30% slower GPU, worse battery life, slower apps loading, slower multitasking, UI frame drops. The sd845 is not somewhat better, it runs circles around the exynos 9810. Yep, I have the exynos note 9. So if you want 3-4 ROMS and 1 kernel currently that will be gone when s10/note 10 comes out - go for the SOC that is more a midrange category for the price of the highend variant.
Will just say that few XDA fellow members got their hands over the both variants, all of them coming prepared for a difference. All of them said the difference is a lot bigger than what they expected, kept the snapdragon and returned the exynos.
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Actually i like customizations & i use many apps which require root. I don't really use Custom Kernels. Only custom roms are my requirement & i modify other stuff in it myself for my personal use[emoji38]
So which one variant u recommend me? And what about s9+ snapdragon?
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JimzFreebies said:
Actually i like customizations & i use many apps which require root. I don't really use Custom Kernels. Only custom roms are my requirement & i modify other stuff in it myself for my personal use[emoji38]
So which one variant u recommend me? And what about s9+ snapdragon?
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I think it's obvious which one I recommend - the snapdragon 945 note 9. For me it's: midrange phone with root or highend phone without root. It's not equal category that I decide between. Go at anandtech and search for Andrei's articles on 9810 and also there is one from December that directly put exynos note 9 vs sd note 9.
Between s9+ snapdragon and note 9 snapdragon - the note 9, it got a lot bigger battery, a lot better SOC cooling (important for the sd845 especially), s-pen, lower angle on the edges, bigger screen (albeit slightly).
Edit: you would be surprised how good is the spen for diablo 2 when the phone is on the table.
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I think it's obvious which one I recommend - the snapdragon 945 note 9. For me it's: midrange phone with root or highend phone without root. It's not equal category that I decide between. Go at anandtech and search for Andrei's articles on 9810 and also there is one from December that directly put exynos note 9 vs sd note 9.
Between s9+ snapdragon and note 9 snapdragon - the note 9, it got a lot bigger battery life, a lot better SOC cooling (important for the sd845 especially), s-pen, lower angle on the edges, bigger screen (albeit slightly).
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Thanks for ur recommendation. One last question. I have checked note 9 forum here and found that snapdragon variant doesn't have any custom rom with it. But exynos has couple of custom roms that are active.
I know snapdragon is faster n better than exunos but it has no custom rom as compared to exynos variant. So much confusion in buying[emoji26]
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iceepyon said:
If you live in the US then you would need to purchase the SnapDragon variant to get LTE/4G reception. As the Exynos variant isn't support for use in the US.
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I live in India
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JimzFreebies said:
I live in India
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You are better off getting the Note 8 from your local retailer to ensure that you get the correct model for your country.
Hi!
I want to buy a Samsung S10+ but I have to decide between exynos or snapdragon.
Any advice?
I would like to unlock and root the phone.
I come from Italy so would be easier to find an exynos one.
Thanks a lot!
If you had the HK Snap you'd have a slightly faster/better battery/cam/DAC phone but much less support from XDA.
The Exynos would be a bit slower/harder on battery but with much more modding support from XDA.
Pick your poison.
How slightly? :laugh:
thank you for the response.
I think I'll problaby go with the exynos at this point...
I need root but I still ordered an unlocked Snapdragon although in my country (Germany) it's not available. I was lucky that at the arrival root was also available for Snappys (Honk Kong / China).
Snapdragon is basically more widely optimized in certain apps. Exynos is more likely to get more ROMs in the near future and at the moment it already has an early version TWRP.
My reasons for Snappy:
- Better camera processing
- Better headphone DAC
- GPU is like 30% faster
- In some reviews the Exynos throttles quite a lot compared to Snappy
- Emulators run bad on Exynos compared to Snapdragons (It was important for me)
- The CPU part is more up to date (7nm process etc.) The exynos is still produced in 8nm process
- As a result the Snapdragon will uses less power on equal terms (physics)
- You have a rare phone...
- I was aware that ROMs will be rare but the S10 is sooo god out of the box anyway and with root you can customize necessary settings
- Samsung kinda fools the consumers by using the inferior Exynos but they got more equal since the last Exynos
I fogot one downside which could be significant for some.
You will get a restricted warranty if at all. you won't be able to buy that phone with a contract in "Exynos" countries.
thank you very much for all the infos
but is it already possible to root with snapdragon?
Guagno_ said:
thank you very much for all the infos
but is it already possible to root with snapdragon?
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yes but it's important to have an unlocked bootloader. As far as I know only China/HK devices have an unlocked BL.
The name is SM-G9700 (s10e), SM-G9730 (s10), SM-G9750(s10+)
Snapdragon for the heavy 3d gamers, exynos for the others in Europe/Middle East.
You won't find a difference but in games as already said the exynos will get warmer and battery will deplete faster.
In another hand once custom kernels and roms will be unleashed, cpu/gpu control will improve on exynos, same will go with the camera which can be modded to lowering noise removal and why not give raw to the telephoto and wide angle cameras
I've also heard that the Hong Kong/ TGY variant (i.e. G9730 on the S10 and G9700 on the S10e) may have some issues with connecting on some 4G bands in Europe (but especially in the US). For what I read on the other threads, it seems that they are not set-up correctly for doing carrier aggregation (CA) which, if I understood it correctly, will influence your downlink speed and may affect some features like Voice over LTE (VoLTE). Am I correct? Do you guys know how bad this will affect user experience?
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I need root but I still ordered an unlocked Snapdragon although in my country (Germany) it's not available. I was lucky that at the arrival root was also available for Snappys (Honk Kong / China).
Snapdragon is basically more widely optimized in certain apps. Exynos is more likely to get more ROMs in the near future and at the moment it already has an early version TWRP.
My reasons for Snappy:
- Better camera processing
- Better headphone DAC
- GPU is like 30% faster
- In some reviews the Exynos throttles quite a lot compared to Snappy
- Emulators run bad on Exynos compared to Snapdragons (It was important for me)
- The CPU part is more up to date (7nm process etc.) The exynos is still produced in 8nm process
- As a result the Snapdragon will uses less power on equal terms (physics)
- You have a rare phone...
- I was aware that ROMs will be rare but the S10 is sooo god out of the box anyway and with root you can customize necessary settings
- Samsung kinda fools the consumers by using the inferior Exynos but they got more equal since the last Exynos
I fogot one downside which could be significant for some.
You will get a restricted warranty if at all. you won't be able to buy that phone with a contract in "Exynos" countries.
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And another downside is the price... About 80-90€ more in Europe than Exynos one.
Is rooting and custom ROM's be available to the snapdragon version of China? The G9730?
I can buy the exynos version for 600€ and the G9730 for 630€
Is it worth the extra 30€?
I just want a functional GCam and rooting is a must for me, if it can't be rooted I might just go for the exynos version
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Is rooting and custom ROM's be available to the snapdragon version of China?
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I also wanted to change my phone to s10, but then checked xda devices pages of s7, s8, s9 and understood that there is no point in taking Samsung. Even though S7 just got properly working LOS16, other devices are still way behind with dying threads as devices don't have developers left.
vegetaleb said:
Snapdragon for the heavy 3d gamers, exynos for the others in Europe/Middle East.
You won't find a difference but in games as already said the exynos will get warmer and battery will deplete faster.
In another hand once custom kernels and roms will be unleashed, cpu/gpu control will improve on exynos, same will go with the camera which can be modded to lowering noise removal and why not give raw to the telephoto and wide angle cameras
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But only partly. Overclocking is bad for battery and harms stability. Also you cannot improve an inferior Mali-GPU to perform better or equal to the good Adreno.
Also Exynos is sometimes not optimized well, for example on emulators, so a Snapdragon will always be a lot faster even without any optimization.
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And another downside is the price... About 80-90€ more in Europe than Exynos one.
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Mine was like 40-50€ cheaper when I've bought it.
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Is rooting and custom ROM's be available to the snapdragon version of China? The G9730?
I can buy the exynos version for 600€ and the G9730 for 630€
Is it worth the extra 30€?
I just want a functional GCam and rooting is a must for me, if it can't be rooted I might just go for the exynos version
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I've rooted my Chinese phone for quite a while. Installing the HongKong firmware allows everything.
No custom recovery though but I don't miss it honestly.
Roms are possible (when custome recov. is there) but will likely come for the Exynos mostly.
Honestly on my Exynos Galaxy S6 there haven't been many advantages with a custom rom.
On Lineage Roms the camera and other things didn't work well which was absolutely not acceptable for me.
Expect even less customizations for the (Exynos) Galaxy S10s, also because with Pie new barriers appear for developers. Let alone future Android versions...
I would say it is worth it. Read my advantage list which was mostly reviewed and approved.
thanks everyone for giving an opinion.
I would like to know, for the chinese version, if it's available also Magisk.
Also, where can I buy online a chinese version with warranty? any link to share?
thanks again
The only reason I'd get an Exynos (for use here in the US) is for root. That's it. That's why I'm buying an Exynos Note 10 (maybe) next spring. Prices will drop steadily by then. Currently using a SD S10.