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So i'm thinking about selling my nexus 6 on a facebook community buy/sell.
I usually give my devices to my family, but its not needed this time so i'm after some opinions on how much i should be asking for.
The phone is 3-4 months old, i lost the reciept recently but its around somewhere... 32GB, bought outright, so unlocked from any network, in perfect working condition. etc, there's just like maybe, 5 to 6 tiny little dints in the screen from keys in pocket :/. You literally cannot feel them, nor see them when the screen is on and takes certain angles to see them when screen is off (thats the only thing wrong with the phone, which i plan on telling on my post). I paid $876 AUD, do you think i could ask for $400-$500?
Opinions? If you were going to resell, what circumstances would you lower the price for & if you were i, how much would you ask for?
amazon is selling the n6 brand new at 399 for the 32gb version, so your $400-500 would be considered a joke, especially a device with a little bit of damage.
@rhystagram,
Your best bet is to go to Swappa.com and look at recent sold prices.
cam30era said:
@rhystagram,
Your best bet is to go to Swappa.com and look at recent sold prices.
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good though
please note its in AUD and i'm in Australia, most retail stores still sell at same price as my purchase, as does google store.
rhystagram said:
So i'm thinking about selling my nexus 6 on a facebook community buy/sell.
I usually give my devices to my family, but its not needed this time so i'm after some opinions on how much i should be asking for.
The phone is 3-4 months old, i lost the reciept recently but its around somewhere... 32GB, bought outright, so unlocked from any network, in perfect working condition. etc, there's just like maybe, 5 to 6 tiny little dints in the screen from keys in pocket :/. You literally cannot feel them, nor see them when the screen is on and takes certain angles to see them when screen is off (thats the only thing wrong with the phone, which i plan on telling on my post). I paid $876 AUD, do you think i could ask for $400-$500?
Opinions? If you were going to resell, what circumstances would you lower the price for & if you were i, how much would you ask for?
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For safety's sake, have a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3104504
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points completely missed.
rhystagram said:
please note its in AUD and i'm in Australia, most retail stores still sell at same price as my purchase, as does google store.
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But Amazon is still selling it for much cheaper brand new. Most prospective buyers will look on Amazon first to see what prices are for both new and used.
What local retailers sell them for brand new means nothing when it can easily be attained somewhere else for a cheaper price.
I normally give people hell on those Facebook groups for asking entirely too much for a phone or tablet. Especially if it is used with even the slightest damage.
For instance, a woman was trying to sell a Droid Maxx for almost $400 USD claiming it was new and never pulled from the box, but her pictures clearly showed otherwise because of the damage on the phone and the fact that it didn't have any of the factory protective film on it anymore. The device in mint condition used only goes for about $150.
Basically, it's better to be fair instead of thinking you can charge top dollar for it. Much less troubles in the long run.
Good luck.
rhystagram said:
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I'm sorry, but how is pointing out the proper process for preparing a Nexus 6 for resale completely missing the point? I'm trying to help you avoid future headaches. ???
If you're looking for resale prices, check completed listings on swappa or eBay.
graydiggy said:
But Amazon is still selling it for much cheaper brand new. Most prospective buyers will look on Amazon first to see what prices are for both new and used.
What local retailers sell them for brand new means nothing when it can easily be attained somewhere else for a cheaper price.
I normally give people hell on those Facebook groups for asking entirely too much for a phone or tablet. Especially if it is used with even the slightest damage.
For instance, a woman was trying to sell a Droid Maxx for almost $400 USD claiming it was new and never pulled from the box, but her pictures clearly showed otherwise because of the damage on the phone and the fact that it didn't have any of the factory protective film on it anymore. The device in mint condition used only goes for about $150.
Basically, it's better to be fair instead of thinking you can charge top dollar for it. Much less troubles in the long run.
Good luck.
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I agree with checking eBay or local buy/sell/trade sites for prices to get a feel for how much it will cost.
Note this, however: Amazon Australia does not sell the Nexus 6 that I can find. It is true that there was a Prime Day deal today in the states for it (pretty sure it's over now), but Prime Day is only for the US site, not for the international versions.
Plus $500 AUD is $368 ish USD.
Mate. Put it on Gumtree. You could likely get around 400 to 450 bucks for it if it is indeed in the condition you say.
Now that we see different deals coming out from carriers, BOGO, $480 trade, 50% off, is the Note 7 offer really a deal or are we just being duped with marketing to buy from Samsung?
Should we voice our opinions to Samsung and try to get some reconciliation of some kind?
What do you all think?
I picked up an iphone 5S from Walmart for the trade in. Cost around $100. Bottom line is that I don't have to add a line I don't need to my TMO account along with loosing my grandfathered incredible account. Net cost is $605 and I get $100 worth of freebies as a pre-order. I think it is a great deal for former Note 7 owners.
The difference really is in the new line or adding line details. Still, since there is any deal for any carrier new line or add a line, 480 trade, 50%, or BOGO, shouldn't the Note 7 offer have been a little more than the rest...those who trade in the lesser of the phones for 425 is getting a better deal but if they are trading in the s8 or s7, att is better and sprint is 50% off with no trade...it doesn't really bother me, I was just curious how everyone feels about it...I like the Samsung deal because I own the phone, but Sprint lease has 20/month with trade ins that can bring it to 10/month as another posted for 240 total and paying at the end to own another 240...so 480 total...but the whole thing with monthly payments...is it really a savings?
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The difference really is in the new line or adding line details. Still, since there is any deal for any carrier new line or add a line, 480 trade, 50%, or BOGO, shouldn't the Note 7 offer have been a little more than the rest...those who trade in the lesser of the phones for 425 is getting a better deal but if they are trading in the s8 or s7, att is better and sprint is 50% off with no trade...it doesn't really bother me, I was just curious how everyone feels about it...I like the Samsung deal because I own the phone, but Sprint lease has 20/month with trade ins that can bring it to 10/month as another posted for 240 total and paying at the end to own another 240...so 480 total...but the whole thing with monthly payments...is it really a savings?
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Lucky you get the deals haha over here in the UK we get nothing for note 7 owners or trade ins...
advocate2 said:
I picked up an iphone 5S from Walmart for the trade in. Cost around $100. Bottom line is that I don't have to add a line I don't need to my TMO account along with loosing my grandfathered incredible account. Net cost is $605 and I get $100 worth of freebies as a pre-order. I think it is a great deal for former Note 7 owners.
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Same here, I picked up a mint S5 for $50.00 for trade in. Makes the total cost of the Note 8 less than $600.00. Plus I get the 360 camera too.
BlueFox721 said:
Now that we see different deals coming out from carriers, BOGO, $480 trade, 50% off, is the Note 7 offer really a deal or are we just being duped with marketing to buy from Samsung?
Should we voice our opinions to Samsung and try to get some reconciliation of some kind?
What do you all think?
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I grabbed a very near mint Galaxy S5 for $80, turn around and save $425 off the Note8. At the end of the day with the S5 trade in, selling the gear360 and selling my LG V20 I will walk away with the Note8 for around $260 (break down below) so I am pretty happy.
-$535.29 (buy Note8 with Note7 trade-in)
-$80 (buy s5 for trade-in)
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-$615.29
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+$94 (Ebates)
+$80 (sell 360cam estimation)
+$200 (sell V20)
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+$354
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$261.29 (total paid for Note8 in the end)
$985.79 full price (if bought outright, no deals/trade-ins)
$724.50 savings
I agree that it is not really a deal for Note 7 owners when I am trading in my Note 5 for $480. But that is the carriers, not really Samsung's fault.
xbmoyx said:
I grabbed a very near mint Galaxy S5 for $80, turn around and save $425 off the Note8. At the end of the day with the S5 trade in, selling the gear360 and selling my LG V20 I will walk away with the Note8 for around $260 (break down below) so I am pretty happy.
-$535.29 (buy Note8 with Note7 trade-in)
-$80 (buy s5 for trade-in)
=
-$615.29
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+$94 (Ebates)
+$80 (sell 360cam estimation)
+$200 (sell V20)
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+$354
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$261.29 (total paid for Note8 in the end)
$985.79 full price (if bought outright, no deals/trade-ins)
$724.50 savings
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My numbers are pretty much the same. I paid 40 bucks for S5 and have an Axon 7 I will sell for 250.
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Now that we see different deals coming out from carriers, BOGO, $480 trade, 50% off, is the Note 7 offer really a deal or are we just being duped with marketing to buy from Samsung?
Should we voice our opinions to Samsung and try to get some reconciliation of some kind?
What do you all think?
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The fact that people have been buying Note 7 emails and codes even though they didn't own one just to get in on the deal shows that it's a pretty good deal.
What I got from Samsung because of the Note 7 fiasco:
Free use of the Note 7 for 4 months (normally $37.50 a month to lease = $150 comped)
Free use of the loaner S7Edge for 5 months (another $32.59 a month = $165 comped)
Free 256gb memory card ($250)
Free Gear VR ($125?)
$425 off a note 8 after trade in ($425 - $75 to buy a brand new iphone 5s from straight talk = $350)
Free 360 camera ($250?)
That's already $1000+ of free stuff right there, and that's just from 1 Note 7 and 1 Note 8. Others got multiple Note 7s and 8s and probably got even more stuff.
I'm only familiar with the Tmo BOGO, so that's the one I can talk about. The Sprint leasing deal is pretty good though. $10? or $20? a month for a lease to own the Note 8. Only downside is you're tied to Sprint for 2 years.
For the TMo BOGO: It's great if you are need 2 lines and 2 Note 8s anyway (wife, buddy, group buy). But for those of us who need just 1 or not on TMo, the Samsung deal is easier to do. For the TMo BOGO you need to add a line ($10 a month until the prepaid card comes in), you have to wait several months to get your money, you have to pay full taxes for both phones, and you have to go through selling the 2nd phone and freebie if you only need one phone.
Yes, the Note 7 deal is part of marketing from Samsung, but they're also legitimately subsidizing money for that deal because you were a loyal Note user. What they didn't anticipate is that carriers are also willing to lose money and subsidize the Note 8 just to lock you into their network. Just be happy that all these corporations are willing to lose money just to keep us, as opposed to 10 years ago when carriers didn't care and blatantly screwed everyone because we had no choice but to bend over (Verizon is still that way today).
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Lucky you get the deals haha over here in the UK we get nothing for note 7 owners or trade ins...
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Dont worry, overall you have better consumer laws than here. :good:
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Dont worry, overall you have better consumer laws than here. :good:
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Does that mean their Notes will not be flawed?
BlueFox721 said:
Does that mean their Notes will not be flawed?
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Ofc we get exynos
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Dont worry, overall you have better consumer laws than here. :good:
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I just realized, is your username because you're originally from the UK or is it because you really like limes?
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I just realized, is your username because you're originally from the UK or is it because you really like limes?
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Originally from the UK :good:
xbmoyx said:
I grabbed a very near mint Galaxy S5 for $80, turn around and save $425 off the Note8. At the end of the day with the S5 trade in, selling the gear360 and selling my LG V20 I will walk away with the Note8 for around $260 (break down below) so I am pretty happy.
-$535.29 (buy Note8 with Note7 trade-in)
-$80 (buy s5 for trade-in)
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-$615.29
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+$94 (Ebates)
+$80 (sell 360cam estimation)
+$200 (sell V20)
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+$354
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$261.29 (total paid for Note8 in the end)
$985.79 full price (if bought outright, no deals/trade-ins)
$724.50 savings
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Man, where did you find an S5 that cheap? I selected to send in a non-Samsung phone. According to chat, that's what I have to send in. Looking for a used V20, they're all in the $175-200 price range unless it's a bad IMEI.
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Man, where did you find an S5 that cheap? I selected to send in a non-Samsung phone. According to chat, that's what I have to send in. Looking for a used V20, they're all in the $175-200 price range unless it's a bad IMEI.
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Facebook Marketplace, lady wanted $100 and I offered $80 and met her that day. Phone is in excellent shape, crazy for how old it is. I'm selling my Verizon V20 for $200 to Walmart, they have a gadgets to gift cards department.
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Facebook Marketplace, lady wanted $100 and I offered $80 and met her that day. Phone is in excellent shape, crazy for how old it is. I'm selling my Verizon V20 for $200 to Walmart, they have a gadgets to gift cards department.
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Totally realized I could pick up a G5 and trade it in for the $425 as well....Duh. Older phone.
hkbladelawhk said:
Totally realized I could pick up a G5 and trade it in for the $425 as well....Duh. Older phone.
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Yes, the older the cheaper just make sure it's on the Note7 promo trade-in list which the S5 is. The lady even left her 16gb SD card in the phone, can't have enough SD cards ?
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Yes, the older the cheaper just make sure it's on the Note7 promo trade-in list which the S5 is. The lady even left her 16gb SD card in the phone, can't have enough SD cards ?
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I got a couple cards that way...lol
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Facebook Marketplace, lady wanted $100 and I offered $80 and met her that day. Phone is in excellent shape, crazy for how old it is. I'm selling my Verizon V20 for $200 to Walmart, they have a gadgets to gift cards department.
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Same place I got mine. He wanted $125.00 and settled for $50.00, said it's been sitting in his drawer for over two years. Looked at swappa first but I think they know about the Samsung trade in and aren't dealing.
I got my Note 8 last year through Best Buy with Verizon, and there was a sweet promotion that pretty much rendered my Note 8 to only cost $306 by the end of my two year device payment plan. It's my main phone use of today.
About 3 weeks ago, I found someone selling a Galaxy S8+ of a few month's use with LOTS of charging accessories for only $200! I went to pick that up because it was such a steal and it would be cool to have a backup phone to say the least.
So now it's the month of August, and Best Buy awarded me a 10% off coupon on select items. Apparently, it works for the Note9! And the trade in they're offering is $450 for an S8+/Note8 towards the new Note9. So $100 off + $450 = $550 off a $1000 smartphone! And if I am able to sell the AKG headphones, this new phone is practically a few hundred dollars!
But then I'm thinking to myself...is it really worth it to switch to the Note 9 as my main? I can sell away my Note8 for extra money back in this overall "dilemma" and I'll just continue to make payments as if nothing happened because I doubt Verizon will know whether I have the phone on hand or not. lol
What do you guys think? I have until Thursday evening to jump in on this. Is this worth it for the amazing deal I've found here?
Some speculation, but the terms on the Best Buy trade-in offer mention it's via a gift card and coupon. I'm not familiar with how Best Buy applies coupons, but it could be that the two coupons might not stack if this is the case... unsure. Otherwise, I think it's a decent deal, yes.
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Some speculation, but the terms on the Best Buy trade-in offer mention it's via a gift card and coupon. I'm not familiar with how Best Buy applies coupons, but it could be that the two coupons might not stack if this is the case... unsure. Otherwise, I think it's a decent deal, yes.
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I was on chat with a Best Buy representative last night for an hour to verify everything, and he told me to keep screenshots and come into the store to place the order while having them process the trade in so it would all work.
A Note 9 for sub $600.00 is worth it, just from a math perspective.
Here is the breakdown you provided. You paid $350(Note 8) + $200(S8+) = $550 All-in.
If you got the Note 9 it would breakdown $1000(Note 9) - ($100(coupon)-$350(S8 Trade In))=$550 for a Note 9; if you sell your Note 8 for more than $550 you profit.
If not you still win because the most you will have spent for 2 banging phones is $900.
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A Note 9 for sub $600.00 is worth it, just from a math perspective.
Here is the breakdown you provided. You paid $350(Note 8) + $200(S8+) = $550 All-in.
If you got the Note 9 it would breakdown $1000(Note 9) - ($100(coupon)-$350(S8 Trade In))=$550 for a Note 9; if you sell your Note 8 for more than $550 you profit.
If not you still win because the most you will have spent for 2 banging phones is $900.
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Oh uh, the Best Buy deal only allowed one trade in device, so it would be the S8+. That phone is eligible for $450 towards the Note 9. The birthday coupon takes off 10% from the regular price, so that's $100. That's how it came to be 550 off the phone. The Note 8 could just sit with me or I can sell it either way. Hehe
Of course it's a great deal! This phone is substantially better than the Note8 in my opinion (as a Note8 user/lover), if nothing else just for the battery! Although there is a lot more I am excited about (pen with BT for photos, more storage, more RAM, new color, contrast with signature ink, improved camera, stereo speakers, etc.).
I'm not 100% sure how it works, but you may have to pay off Verizon for the Note8 though. I thought I had heard that if you try and buy a phone that has not been paid off, it won't work. In other words, you could not sell your Note8 and have the other person stick their SIM in it. I could be mistaken, but I would look into it!
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Of course it's a great deal! This phone is substantially better than the Note8 in my opinion (as a Note8 user/lover), if nothing else just for the battery! Although there is a lot more I am excited about (pen with BT for photos, more storage, more RAM, new color, contrast with signature ink, improved camera, stereo speakers, etc.).
I'm not 100% sure how it works, but you may have to pay off Verizon for the Note8 though. I thought I had heard that if you try and buy a phone that has not been paid off, it won't work. In other words, you could not sell your Note8 and have the other person stick their SIM in it. I could be mistaken, but I would look into it!
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Nice to hear from a fellow Note8 user. I was debating about if it is really worth it, but I would really like a fatter battery for sure!
I'm not going to do anything to hand over the Note 8 though, so passing up the S8+ is my full intentions.
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Nice to hear from a fellow Note8 user. I was debating about if it is really worth it, but I would really like a fatter battery for sure!
I'm not going to do anything to hand over the Note 8 though, so passing up the S8+ is my full intentions.
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I actually also have an Orchid Gray Verizon model. It is easily my favorite phone that I've ever had. The ONLY things keeping it from perfection (in my opinion) are: (1) battery size, (2) lack of stereo speakers, (3) fingerprint scanner annoyance. Those have all been fixed (along with the obvious processor upgrade and camera upgrade and pen upgrade), so I am 100% positive this will be a dream phone for me. There are literally no other phones I even care about or am jealous of (I often get phone envy...). This thing is going to be amazing, which is why I splurged and got the 512GB model to make it the ultimate dream phone, future-proof phone (in case I keep it for a long time!).
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I actually also have an Orchid Gray Verizon model. It is easily my favorite phone that I've ever had. The ONLY things keeping it from perfection (in my opinion) are: (1) battery size, (2) lack of stereo speakers, (3) fingerprint scanner annoyance. Those have all been fixed (along with the obvious processor upgrade and camera upgrade and pen upgrade), so I am 100% positive this will be a dream phone for me. There are literally no other phones I even care about or am jealous of (I often get phone envy...). This thing is going to be amazing, which is why I splurged and got the 512GB model to make it the ultimate dream phone, future-proof phone (in case I keep it for a long time!).
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I think I'm going to do it, just hoping I won't get screwed over in store saying it can't be applied even though it shows it for me online.
I loved my note8 until it was stolen...
Anyway, I pre-ordered from Samsung. I drove over to Costco and they are giving away some type of $70.00 charging kit with your purchase but you must finance the phone which means a query to your credit report. For some reason you can't just purchase the phone outright.
Bestbuy did not have any deals on this phone. I spoke with their Samsung rep who demoed the BT from the other side of the store and took photos... Pretty damned amazing!
B&H Photo/Video has a pretty nice deal but I didn't see any way to trade in your old phone with them. + they are charging you NYC Tax which is pretty damned high!
Anyone know where the best deal is on this phone? For now, I'll stick with my order from Samsung's website. They still haven't charged my CC as of this time which makes me think that maybe I won't be getting my phone on Friday. UGH! Since my Note 8 was stolen, I've been without a phone for the past month and it's been a pretty damned painful month but I survived .
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I loved my note8 until it was stolen...
Anyway, I pre-ordered from Samsung. I drove over to Costco and they are giving away some type of $70.00 charging kit with your purchase but you must finance the phone which means a query to your credit report. For some reason you can't just purchase the phone outright.
Bestbuy did not have any deals on this phone. I spoke with their Samsung rep who demoed the BT from the other side of the store and took photos... Pretty damned amazing!
B&H Photo/Video has a pretty nice deal but I didn't see any way to trade in your old phone with them. + they are charging you NYC Tax which is pretty damned high!
Anyone know where the best deal is on this phone? For now, I'll stick with my order from Samsung's website. They still haven't charged my CC as of this time which makes me think that maybe I won't be getting my phone on Friday. UGH! Since my Note 8 was stolen, I've been without a phone for the past month and it's been a pretty damned painful month but I survived .
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Where are you located? The deals I'm trying to take advantage of is available through Best Buy themselves.
How did your phone get stolen? You can't track it?
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Where are you located? The deals I'm trying to take advantage of is available through Best Buy themselves.
How did your phone get stolen? You can't track it?
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I tracked it then they turned it off. From here, I went online and hopefully deleted all of my stuff that was on there. Unfortunately, my micro-SD Card was not encrypted so if you see me on Redtube be forewarned, it might not be pretty...
I went into a local BestBuy store. The sales guy didn't have 1 deal for me other than what was already on the Samsung website.
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I got my Note 8 last year through Best Buy with Verizon, and there was a sweet promotion that pretty much rendered my Note 8 to only cost $306 by the end of my two year device payment plan. It's my main phone use of today.
About 3 weeks ago, I found someone selling a Galaxy S8+ of a few month's use with LOTS of charging accessories for only $200! I went to pick that up because it was such a steal and it would be cool to have a backup phone to say the least.
So now it's the month of August, and Best Buy awarded me a 10% off coupon on select items. Apparently, it works for the Note9! And the trade in they're offering is $450 for an S8+/Note8 towards the new Note9. So $100 off + $450 = $550 off a $1000 smartphone! And if I am able to sell the AKG headphones, this new phone is practically a few hundred dollars!
But then I'm thinking to myself...is it really worth it to switch to the Note 9 as my main? I can sell away my Note8 for extra money back in this overall "dilemma" and I'll just continue to make payments as if nothing happened because I doubt Verizon will know whether I have the phone on hand or not. lol
What do you guys think? I have until Thursday evening to jump in on this. Is this worth it for the amazing deal I've found here?
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I have written this before and will write it again. You guys and gals in the USA are spoiled with Smart phones. The deals you get are amazing. No such deals exist in Southern Europe in fact I may add the whole of Europe.
In this country we have to pay top price for smart phones.
My note 7 (both of them) came with nothing. S8+ came with nothing, Note 8 came two months later with a DEX. This time after numerous complaints to Samsung in this country we managed the amazing deal of trading in our 12 month old Note 8 costing 1,020.00€ for the Note 9 costing 1,030.00€. We got 500.00€ deducted. Never known such a deal and probably never will again! :highfive:
In your case you should jump at such an offer. :good:
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Alright, just to update:
I went to my local Best Buy to do the whole process in store, and the employee helping me was confused at my coupon code working for the unlocked Note 9. He called the manager and 2 other employees came and huddled up to see what was going on. They were calling me out about the Unlocked Phones being in their exclusion list, but I told them it worked in my Cart online, and showed them all the screens and from the app. Then I told them to try using the code on another unlocked phone they have available in store that was regular priced. They pulled out a Galaxy J7 phone that was $220, applied the code.....BAM! $22 SAVINGS! THE CODE WORKED!
The reaction on all their faces were priceless! So I go ahead and placed my order for pickup, and they processed the S8+ I had on have for $450. Now I just have to wait for tomorrow to pick up!
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Alright, just to update:
I went to my local Best Buy to do the whole process in store, and the employee helping me was confused at my coupon code working for the unlocked Note 9. He called the manager and 2 other employees came and huddled up to see what was going on. They were calling me out about the Unlocked Phones being in their exclusion list, but I told them it worked in my Cart online, and showed them all the screens and from the app. Then I told them to try using the code on another unlocked phone they have available in store that was regular priced. They pulled out a Galaxy J7 phone that was $220, applied the code.....BAM! $22 SAVINGS! THE CODE WORKED!
The reaction on all their faces were priceless! So I go ahead and placed my order for pickup, and they processed the S8+ I had on have for $450. Now I just have to wait for tomorrow to pick up!
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That's awesome! I feel like BB always tries to screw people over and limit deals, so I am happy to hear you won the battle!
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That's awesome! I feel like BB always tries to screw people over and limit deals, so I am happy to hear you won the battle!
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The taste of victory is pretty sweet! ?
And I asked them about my Note8 currently being in a device payment plan. Really, I could still sell the phone for profit and still continue paying it off at the end of the two years because it's easy to just switch Sims and just go on with your day.
My Best Buy order switched to "Ready for Pickup" today, so excitedly, I drove into the store to, you know, Pickup my phone.
However, they said I wasn't able to pickup until tomorrow. Kinda frustrating to say the least.
Too early to believe, but Samsung Opera House(Bengaluru) has started taking blind prebooking for the Galaxy S21 series already as per THIS article.
Unsurprisingly India would get the Exynos 2100 SoC in this series and I just hope it performs on par with Snapdragon 888.
Why would they make the screen smaller for the s21 ultra than the existing one ? No one seems to have mentioned this.
yeah its only .100" smaller, too me that`s not a big thing for me, but the thing is it will have the LTPO display which I guess is supposed to give better contrast to black colors, also I`m not sure but i have heard talk of the fingerprint reader being 2x faster...... so well see, I`ll be ordering one in the unlocked in black the 512gb version
In the USA you can register for your S21 in the Samsung Shop app. Looks like you get an extra $70 store credit for registering. Can't wait to get the S21 ultra!
droidrev71 said:
In the USA you can register for your S21 in the Samsung Shop app. Looks like you get an extra $70 store credit for registering. Can't wait to get the S21 ultra!
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The thing I like about Samsung out here in India is that with perks of cashbacks & coupons(if prebooked) the pricing becomes eqivalent to the USA pricing(has been so far) ..
I'm finding the news [email protected] S21 series interesting too. Will get "Exynos" but highly it feels like it would be on par this time around, if not better, excluding the GPU.
I seriously hope the LTPO on the S21 series is far more superior to the one on Note 20U.
I had serious banding/green tint issues and a horrible battery drain problem due to it. The 60fps video recording also had hunting issues even with laser auto focus.
I'm back to S20U, the display feels a lot more stable and a long lasting battery.
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yeah its only .100" smaller, too me that`s not a big thing for me, but the thing is it will have the LTPO display which I guess is supposed to give better contrast to black colors, also I`m not sure but i have heard talk of the fingerprint reader being 2x faster...... so well see, I`ll be ordering one in the unlocked in black the 512gb version
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We're coming from S10+ getting the Ultra cause of the specs and my husband likes the camera features. It'll probably be to big for me but I am getting it. We won't upgrade for a while so I want the best of the bunch.
Do you think there will be any discounts with pricing if you don't trade in? I have a S9+ right now and am waffling back and forth between getting the S21 Ultra or getting a Note 20 Ultra ($800 thru work).
Have pre-reserved for S21 series because I thought we'd get the Buds Pro and Smart tag as preorder offers alongwith the free case. That is what the leakers had said a few days back but not it seems Buds Pro won't be part of the offer. Also coupled with missing charger and possible missing SD card and extra charges for SPen, will it be worth spending so much extra to sell my Note 20 U for the S21U?
P.S. The only reason I was willing to upgrade was because my Note 20 U is getting heated up a lot + because of the Exynos 2100 finally catching up to SD.
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Have pre-reserved for S21 series because I thought we'd get the Buds Pro and Smart tag as preorder offers alongwith the free case. That is what the leakers had said a few days back but not it seems Buds Pro won't be part of the offer. Also coupled with missing charger and possible missing SD card and extra charges for SPen, will it be worth spending so much extra to sell my Note 20 U for the S21U?
P.S. The only reason I was willing to upgrade was because my Note 20 U is getting heated up a lot + because of the Exynos 2100 finally catching up to SD.
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You got the VIP pass for the next Galaxy after you pre reserved it?
In India prebooking is of no use, last time for the Note 20U the cashback and freebies were offered even to customers who did not prebook and bought the phone well after the prebook purchase window. (craze for flagships in India are at an all time low, thanks to OnePlus and Samsung themselves).
Also the Note 20U was up in the corporate program with 5% discount in a matter of few days including the 9k cashback and freebies.
I will get the S21U only during the first week of Feb.
I'm expecting the price to be around 90k for S21U 256gig, anything more than that, I might as well wait for Z flip 2/3 later in April.
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You got the VIP pass for the next Galaxy after you pre reserved it?
In India prebooking is of no use, last time for the Note 20U the cashback and freebies were offered even to customers who did not prebook and bought the phone well after the prebook purchase window. (craze for flagships in India are at an all time low, thanks to OnePlus and Samsung themselves).
Also the Note 20U was up in the corporate program with 5% discount in a matter of few days including the 9k cashback and freebies.
I will get the S21U only during the first week of Feb.
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No I didn't get any VIP pass. Was I supposed to? If I don't like what I see tomorrow, I am going to just refund my ₹2000 and wait for Feb/March to buy it. The only thing keeping me from the flip/fold is that the camera is always a generation behind in these devices.
I for one, do no find these "pre-registering"(or any other name) hulabaloos fascinating at all given that it's a Samsung flagship.
Irrespective of card/cash or other payment methods, I've been getting Samsung flagships on the very 1st day of market release buying from small retailers for a much lower price than the price quoted by bigger retailers or the biggest retailers with a fixed price or buying directly from Samsung online or offline for quite sometime now. The cost everytime turns out to be the lowest this way in comparison to the cost combined with any other CC/DC cashbacks/corporate offers/exchange offers/finance schemes etc... you name it.
Samsung tends(or "pretends" to be precise) to be strict with such retailers but being consumers all we need is a genuinely sourced product and a proper invoice. It makes sense because once we want to sell it later, the resale value will not at all differ based on which store we bought it from.
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In my case, prebooking offers are always applicable in the first place as one or the other re-seller does pre-booking taking the required credentials after me getting bombarded with calls soon after official announcement of the flagship.
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I for one, do no find these "pre-registering"(or any other name) hulabaloos fascinating at all given that it's a Samsung flagship.
Irrespective of card/cash or other payment methods, I've been getting Samsung flagships on the very 1st day of market release buying from small retailers for a much lower price than the price quoted by bigger retailers or the biggest retailers with a fixed price or buying directly from Samsung online or offline for quite sometime now. The cost everytime turns out to be the lowest this way in comparison to the cost combined with any other CC/DC cashbacks/corporate offers/exchange offers/finance schemes etc... you name it.
Samsung tends(or "pretends" to be precise) to be strict with such retailers but being consumers all we need is a genuinely sourced product and a proper invoice. It makes sense because once we want to sell it later, the resale value will not at all differ based on which store we bought it from.
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In my case, prebooking offers are always applicable in the first place as one or the other re-seller does pre-booking taking the required credentials after me getting bombarded with calls soon after official announcement of the flagship.
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Smaller retailer like non Samsung but authorized dealers like Sangeetha Mobiles, Chroma, Reliance Digital?
By how much you get a discount on the selling price, I have never tried this as I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
I kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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Smaller retailer like non Samsung but authorized dealers like Sangeetha Mobiles, Croma, Reliance Digital?
By how much you get a discount on the selling price, I have never tried this as I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
I kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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No not those big formats, they don't as they don't need to and they can't either. Smart cafés can but they will not.
Instead, approach a few small multibrand players if you have time for it. They need flagship buyers to stay alive in the eyes of big brands for their own promotion/survival and to do so, they let go of it for extremely thin margins.
I happened to purchase two N20U units costing 90k each from two diff. sellers(when it was 1st released) - that's one example.
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No not those big formats, they don't as they don't need to and they can't either. Smart cafés can but they will not.
Instead, approach a few small multibrand players if you have time for it. They need flagship buyers to stay alive in the eyes of big brands for their own promotion/survival and to do so, they let go of it for extremely thin margins.
I happened to purchase two N20U units costing 90k each from two diff. sellers(when it was 1st released) - that's one example.
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Thank you...Will go out and look for such small time dealers tomorrow and establish a comfort zone before end of this month.
zaydenQ said:
No I didn't get any VIP pass. Was I supposed to? If I don't like what I see tomorrow, I am going to just refund my ₹2000 and wait for Feb/March to buy it. The only thing keeping me from the flip/fold is that the camera is always a generation behind in these devices.
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Thatz true, the cameras on the flip and fold were bad.
Since we do not have a Note 21 this year, hope flip and fold are equipped with better camera system.
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....... I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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AFAIK, Samsung smart cafe franchises actually get the highest profit margins for each product they sell compared to other resellers. And it's the marketing skills and subsequent illusions created by the staff that make one feel awkward to ask for a discount.... Nope? The one running the franchise CAN give big discounts, but doesn't want to. They actually ended up giving me discounts a few times in the past but then I stopped visiting them lately as altogether I don't find it worth it.
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AFAIK, Samsung smart cafe franchises actually get the highest profit margins for each product they sell compared to other resellers. And it's the marketing skills and subsequent illusions created by the staff that make one feel awkward to ask for a discount.... Nope? The one running the franchise CAN give big discounts, but doesn't want to. They actually ended up giving me discounts a few times in the past but then I stopped visiting them lately as altogether I don't find it worth it.
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I have shortlisted a few small time detailers, will visit them tomorrow...btw Amazon has already started selling S21plus/ultra cases. They also have a video which shows the phone in its entirety
ESR Metal Kickstand Case Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 6.8-Inch 2021, Slim Silicone with Matte Finish Portrait and Landscape Stand Back Cover -Translucent Black : Amazon.in: Electronics
ESR Metal Kickstand Case Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 6.8-Inch 2021, Slim Silicone with Matte Finish Portrait and Landscape Stand Back Cover -Translucent Black : Amazon.in: Electronics
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No microsd card slot....pretty much I'm out of it. thank you Samsung
I have a flawless P5 (other than a degraded battery) with nary a scratch or flaw other than normal use. I just bought a Pixel 6a and received a trade-in value of $138 from Google. Swappa is currently selling them in good condition for close to $200 but after fees and shipping it's probably not much different. So should I keep the P5 for a backup in case something happens to the P6a or bite the bullet and send it back? It's sitting here wiped clean but looking pretty good on the table next to the trade-in box. Just some random thoughts would be appreciated.
When the phones I currently own depreciate that much in value - I usually gift them to family members who need them since I always keep them in pristine condition.
If a phone sells for a net profit of $100-$200 and I spent anywhere from $600-$1400 (some unlocked intl. versions of high end SAmsungs have gone even more than $1400), I might as well just gift it to one of my family members. That would make me feel a lot better than selling it for a small profit.
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I have a flawless P5 (other than a degraded battery) with nary a scratch or flaw other than normal use. I just bought a Pixel 6a and received a trade-in value of $138 from Google. Swappa is currently selling them in good condition for close to $200 but after fees and shipping it's probably not much different. So should I keep the P5 for a backup in case something happens to the P6a or bite the bullet and send it back? It's sitting here wiped clean but looking pretty good on the table next to the trade-in box. Just some random thoughts would be appreciated.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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I know, that's what I thought. I was surprised at the Google offer of only $138 too. Just checked again and mint P5 is only a little over 200 now with 'good' selling at around $180 and a lot of them from major sellers. At this point I'll keep it for a backup device since both my wife and I have the P6a now and just in case... damn slippery phone. lol. Only problem with the P5 is that it's a VZW phone and you know what that means... no rom playing. Both the 6a are bl unlockable for the future.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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I LOVED my M8. That's the phone that made me an active member here and where I started learning WAY more about Android and rooting. Became a member here a couple of years before that with the Galaxy s3
andybones said:
I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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The P7 is large for sure. Without any case it's doable but bound to drop and crack. It's just the way things are. But I did pull the trigger and order it, just too good of a deal to pass up. I'll keep my P6a but I'm not really sure what will become my carrier device yet. Worst case scenario I'll trade in my 6a for the 7a and.. heck I have no idea what I'm doing. Why does Google do that do that to me? But nonetheless I will have 2 great phones to play with. And pretty inexpensive to boot. This might also be a great time for me to play around with unlock and root which I haven't done in years. Bottom line I have a P6a and a P7 total cost $400.
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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oh man... why did you have to tell us about this amazing deal lol lol? Really tempting to trade my P5 for the P7. But the size and weight of P5 is on another level. One of the best designed phones I've ever used
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I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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My bro.... I am on the check out step of my P7 purchase and it's giving me the option to get that $100 Google store credit for myself and you will get it too if you complete the purchase using my code... Want to do that? I hope Google is not lying lol... because that's what I'm reading at the checkout page.
how does Google send the code? Via e-mail or did I miss something? First pixel I buy through the Google website
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how does Google send the code? Via e-mail or did I miss something? First pixel I buy through the Google website
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When you purchase, I recommend using a burner account specifically for buying from Google Store. If you hang around in https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/ there are hundreds of horror stories of people receiving an empty box (delivery drivers stealing it) and Google refusing to refund or replace, making it exceptionally stressful for you. If you do a chargeback, Google will deactivate your account in retaliation. Against a huge company like Google, you don't really have any recourse.
I always recommend buying from a retailer so you are better protected with consumer laws (you can do a lawful chargeback without the retailer retaliating) and you can pick up the device in person so you know for sure the box has a phone inside it. But sometimes, a promotion is only valid through their official website in which case I recommend using a secondary account that you don't mind being nuked for whatever reason.
Back to the original topic, I'd probably use my P5 until it dies. Pay someone to replace the battery in a few years. It's the perfect size with pretty good battery life based on my usage. I don't game on my phone and mostly only use it for listening to music via bluetooth and some social media. There are no other modern phones that fit in one hand. All the other phones are too big and require both hands to operate. The only downside to this phone is that cell service is really bad. It drops down to 3G in malls meanwhile a Galaxy S9 (2018) has full bars of 4G+. If they release a phone that's the same size as P5 but with the newer P7 hardware, I'm all in.
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oh man... why did you have to tell us about this amazing deal lol lol? Really tempting to trade my P5 for the P7. But the size and weight of P5 is on another level. One of the best designed phones I've ever used
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Sorry, the devil made me do it. but you are correct. There is nothing like the P5 for size and weight. I still have it right here looking at me longingly but it's time to give up the ghost. I have been using the 6a now since it came out. I traded in my P6 (cracked case) and got $300 for it. I hated the P6 and was glad BB offered me the trade-in. The real story here is that the P5 is my wife's phone and I had to pry it from her cold dead hands in order to get her to try the 6a. It was $299 plus a trade-in of $138. The battery on the 5 was shot to heck and she uses it all the time for news/email/social. I let her use my 6a for a day and she finally said ok, it wasn't bad and we bought it. She does like it even though it's a bit larger. It fits in her pockets and running gear (has to use Strava) which I do too. I traded in my P5 for the P6 and regretted it from day one.
But then they came up with the $400 vs $138 and well how can you turn that down with a hundred off on the 7? That phone is just too large to carry but it will be a great phone for the house on either wifi or with my eSim which I rarely use any longer. I mean it's $99 bucks and I'd use it without a case. So there's the two phones, 6a and 7 for 400 dollars. When the 7a comes out I will probably get it if it comes in at the same size as the 6a (or smaller) and they accept a 6a trade-in. But that's a long way off for now.
@swangjang I've seen the stories about the returns. I've probably sent back for trade-in and replacements about 6 or so times over the years. And not to jinx it but never had one problem. I'm going to take the leap of faith again simply because BB is only offering $315 for the P5. That's an $85 difference and nothing to sneeze about. I count in beers and that's about 20 drafts on happy hour. I tried appealing to BB corporate but they didn't budge so Google it is. Anyway, to make a long story short.
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Sorry, the devil made me do it. but you are correct. There is nothing like the P5 for size and weight. I still have it right here looking at me longingly but it's time to give up the ghost. I have been using the 6a now since it came out. I traded in my P6 (cracked case) and got $300 for it. I hated the P6 and was glad BB offered me the trade-in. The real story here is that the P5 is my wife's phone and I had to pry it from her cold dead hands in order to get her to try the 6a. It was $299 plus a trade-in of $138. The battery on the 5 was shot to heck and she uses it all the time for news/email/social. I let her use my 6a for a day and she finally said ok, it wasn't bad and we bought it. She does like it even though it's a bit larger. It fits in her pockets and running gear (has to use Strava) which I do too. I traded in my P5 for the P6 and regretted it from day one.
But then they came up with the $400 vs $138 and well how can you turn that down with a hundred off on the 7? That phone is just too large to carry but it will be a great phone for the house on either wifi or with my eSim which I rarely use any longer. I mean it's $99 bucks and I'd use it without a case. So there's the two phones, 6a and 7 for 400 dollars. When the 7a comes out I will probably get it if it comes in at the same size as the 6a (or smaller) and they accept a 6a trade-in. But that's a long way off for now.
@swangjang I've seen the stories about the returns. I've probably sent back for trade-in and replacements about 6 or so times over the years. And not to jinx it but never had one problem. I'm going to take the leap of faith again simply because BB is only offering $315 for the P5. That's an $85 difference and nothing to sneeze about. I count in beers and that's about 20 drafts on happy hour. I tried appealing to BB corporate but they didn't budge so Google it is. Anyway, to make a long story short.
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I got the P5 in Aug 2021 for $420 - brand new condition and I never game or use it for any demanding apps or anything like that. I installed a custom ROM and custom kernel in it and chose the most conservative battery parameters and this bad boy can easily go 2 days without a charge in my case. Battery is still running great.
Like I mentioned before - I've always used power units before - I have pretty much owned and used all the Note and Ultras from samsung and I gave my S21 Ultra to my mom. I am a strong believer that big screen phones are tailored to women lol... they never carry their phones in their pockets. But that thing was such a pain to carry around - so heavy and it would tire my hands holding it.
Then I switched to the P5 and the size and weight are amazing. I like the bezels and the shape a lot too. Even though the P5 is a great device overall you could tell that it is still a midranger performer. Switching apps, recording, camera (imo) or doing something that requires power you can tell that it doesn't perform as the power units. And I tried using kernels that were tweaked for performance -it still fell short.
I made the switch to the P7 also - it was a really good deal to pass up and the reviews are very positive thus far. Never held the device or looked at it live but the size shouldn't be too bad. I only hope that it feels nice in the pocket or when walking. I know that it is heavier but hopefully it won't feel like the Samsung bricks lol
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My bro.... I am on the check out step of my P7 purchase and it's giving me the option to get that $100 Google store credit for myself and you will get it too if you complete the purchase using my code... Want to do that? I hope Google is not lying lol... because that's what I'm reading at the checkout page.
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Yes!
I keep trying and it's saying coupon code invalid.
I also did a chat w them the other day.
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Maybe things have changed.
Let's try it!
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Yes!
I keep trying and it's saying coupon code invalid.
I also did a chat w them the other day.
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Maybe things have changed.
Let's try it!
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I'm not trolling or anything but they said they were going to send me the $100 Google store coupon but they never did. And I checked spam/promotions folder in my gmail and still nothing. I might reach out to them also and see what's going on with that. But I read your correspondence with them - maybe they realized they were giving too many discounts with the purchase of the P7 so they took that away (by saying it's an ongoing issue and all those excuses).
Let us know if they ever "fix" your request but I'm assuming they will never give the $100 Google store credit anymore...
Meanwhile here in Canada I just got a 7 Pro for $428CAD through my carrier ($319 in USD). Black Friday deals ftw!
I wonder if you guys ever considered the Zenfone 9... that one seems like a perfect phone also considering its size and performance
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Meanwhile here in Canada I just got a 7 Pro for $428CAD through my carrier ($319 in USD). Black Friday deals ftw!
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Wow, great deal. Trade-in or straight away? Carriers will sometimes give those deals and give credit over 2 years. I got a free P5 that way but had to wait the two years to fully realize it.
I'm perfectly happy with my P5 still. I bought my P2 about a month after it was released and didn't replace it for 4 years until I got my P5, 6 months after the release date. I most likely won't replace my P5 until Google comes to their senses and goes back to the plain slate styling instead of that horrible camera bump.