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Didn't see any info about it here, so I figured I would chime in with some initial impressions.
The inductive back is a smooth texture, not crosshatched like the D4 is standard. It is a small distinction that I am sure will fade over time, but for now, it feels too slippery.
The inductive back does increase the thickness of the droid 4, it isn't a lot, but it is probably enough to make some cases not work. I still have to source an otterbox case to see if a) it fits, and b) to see if the case interferes with the inductive charge, I will report back when I find out.
I am at the office, so I cannot actually see how it plays with my energizer qi pad, hopefully it doesn't beep all the time like the verizon one reportedly does.
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gossipninja said:
Didn't see any info about it here, so I figured I would chime in with some initial impressions.
The inductive back is a smooth texture, not crosshatched like the D4 is standard. It is a small distinction that I am sure will fade over time, but for now, it feels too slippery.
The inductive back does increase the thickness of the droid 4, it isn't a lot, but it is probably enough to make some cases not work. I still have to source an otterbox case to see if a) it fits, and b) to see if the case interferes with the inductive charge, I will report back when I find out.
I am at the office, so I cannot actually see how it plays with my energizer qi pad, hopefully it doesn't beep all the time like the verizon one reportedly does.
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And bleh, Verizon charging pad beeps constantly? That... seems silly, to put it politely...
Well I havent used the verizon pad, but that is what I heard, beeps all the time, beep on connect, beep on full, beep on release.
I have had my droid on the energizer pad and it works and there were no beeps.
I like that orientation doesn't seem crucial. I had my phone at different angles and as long as you get the blue light, you are good to go.
I did see a demo where Panasonic made qi charger with a moving coil
youtube.com/watch?v=an7lWob6ZrE
That would rock, as then you don't have to worry about placement (not that that is a huge issue)
Quick update about the charger
I am having some issues, namely the phone will indicate it is charging, the charge pad will indicate it is charging, and yet after hours my battery meter has barely moved. Interestingly enough the phone lasts seems to last quite awhile on 20% battery. I think something is goofy with the battery reporting.
I will likely fully charge the phone over usb and then discharge as normal and see if that "resets" it.
I also worry that on and after you remove the phone from the charge pad the back is INCREDIBLY hot. Hot to the point where I am worrying it is hurting the battery.
Does anyone have the safe temp range for Droid 4 batteries? So I can monitor it.
If things don't sort out this weekend, I will be contacting Motorola about my issues.
I wonder if they will tell you to use the 'official' pad...
Also, you could try downloading Battery Monitor Widget to see what is going on wrt charging and discharging, including (dis)charge rates.
According to Wikipedia, operating temp for Li-ion batteries is up to 158F...however, heat above room temp causes them to lose capacity. The more "full" they are, the more capacity they lose in hot weather. Temps north of 100F in conjunction with a full charge would cause them to lose a third of their capacity in a year. Continuing to charge them past the point where they're full causes them to heat up, and eventually enter thermal runaway, a chain reaction that guarantees they keep heating until they ignite. Modern devices of course are designed to sense that point and stop before it's too late; that's why a multi-cell battery may never reach 100% charge: If one cell is at 100%, the charger stops, leaving the rest at a mere ninety-something.
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well at one point today, i think the phone did overheat and would not turn on for about 20 minutes, the back was quite hot. Since then, I had it fully charge on the inductive pad (energizer qi) and it was not hot and fully charged.
I will be angry if I am told I have to use the VZW pad, what is the point of a standard if they don't follow it?
As far as thermal runaway, the Droid 4 does auto turn off charging when it is full whether on the pad or usb.
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well at one point today, i think the phone did overheat and would not turn on for about 20 minutes, the back was quite hot. Since then, I had it fully charge on the inductive pad (energizer qi) and it was not hot and fully charged.
I will be angry if I am told I have to use the VZW pad, what is the point of a standard if they don't follow it?
As far as thermal runaway, the Droid 4 does auto turn off charging when it is full whether on the pad or usb.
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Wow... You are making me reconsider the induction pad. It sounds great, but if it generates excess heat, that might be a bad tradeoff given the battery isn't replaceable.
Just received mine in the mail this morning! I haven't played around with it too much, just confirmed it works (charged from 90% --> 100%).
I don't know whether I have an updated version or what, but the beep isn't too bad. I would say my dishwasher's beep is louder. I can see it being annoying if it was in a bedroom or something, but for my office (at home) it isn't too bad.
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I still have to source an otterbox case to see if a) it fits, and b) to see if the case interferes with the inductive charge, I will report back when I find out.
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Ever get the Otterbox case to see if it fits with the inductive battery cover?
No I have not found a verizon store that has one I can try on and test with a charging pad.
I know the inductive case makes it a hair thicker so I worry about both fit, and charging.
Droid 4 + Charging Back + OtterBox Does NOT fit
Sorry to jump on someone else's thread, but I have received an Otter Box case for Motorola Droid 4 and I also have the inductive charging back, and with the charging back on the phone, the rear part of the case will NOT FIT.
I have tried the plastic rear case itself without the silicone rubber insert and even that won't fit.
I have left a post with Otterbox support to see if they MIGHT be working on a new case, But, I don't hold out much hope for that.
I have not received my charging pads yet, so I can not say if the Droid 4 can be charged through the case or not.. When I get the pads I'll give it a try and report back.
Exactly how does this work? Does it plug into the usb port, or just replace the original back?
The reason I am asking is my daughter just recently broke the usb port on her Droid 4. I tried to get it fixed at a local computer/cellphone repair center, but they coudln't get the part to fix the port. Today I threw in the towel, and used my insurance.
I was told it just replaced the back, as far as the Verizon rep could tell, it didn't plug into the usb port, but I didn't want to pony up the money for the back, and a mat just to find out I had to replace the phone anyhow.
Contacts are internal
The charging back has 4 contacts on it that connect to the internal connections of the phone.
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Exactly how does this work? Does it plug into the usb port, or just replace the original back?
The reason I am asking is my daughter just recently broke the usb port on her Droid 4. I tried to get it fixed at a local computer/cellphone repair center, but they coudln't get the part to fix the port. Today I threw in the towel, and used my insurance.
I was told it just replaced the back, as far as the Verizon rep could tell, it didn't plug into the usb port, but I didn't want to pony up the money for the back, and a mat just to find out I had to replace the phone anyhow.
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It doesn't use the USB port. That's actually why I got one. I wanted to avoid wear and tear on the USB port.
That being said, I'd see if Verizon would send you a new one? They generally will unless there is evidence of gross abuse...
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It doesn't use the USB port. That's actually why I got one. I wanted to avoid wear and tear on the USB port.
That being said, I'd see if Verizon would send you a new one? They generally will unless there is evidence of gross abuse...
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Thank you both for your replies, but I already used my insurance. I already took it into Verizon to see if they could do anything for us at the store. When the representative that helped us saw that the case around the screen was cracked, he told us if we attempted to use the warranty that Motorola would have said the reason the port no longer worked was from being dropped, even though being dropped had nothing to do with the port coming loose.
She now has a protective case for it, and hopefully keeps it on there, so the warranty can be used if it has port issues like the first one.
I am still thinking about getting her an inductive charge back, to keep wear and tear off the port. She tends to have it plugged in by her bed, and randomly answers texts throughout the night.
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I am still thinking about getting her an inductive charge back, to keep wear and tear off the port. She tends to have it plugged in by her bed, and randomly answers texts throughout the night.
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That's the problem, if you get the inductive charging cover, no current cases will fit. Since there is no possibility of using an extended battery with the Droid 4, the case manufacturers ASSUME that nobody needs a larger case. The inductive cover is not common and therefore is too much of a niche market for anyone to make a case for it. I tried hacking up a regular case but it didn't work out.
hey ive been searching around the net and saw this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986016
if you willing to try it yourself!
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Can someone snap some pics of the contacts inside the inductive cover? Made my own out of palm touchstone parts now just need to wire it
Found a picture back on post #14
Did you get it working?
I wanted to share an interesting observation I made this evening. I have the S6 Edge with the Tylt Vu stand, and it works a heck of a lot better if I put the phone down into it in landscape.
Portrait has a REAL hard time getting a connection. Of course, if I take the case off, it doesn't matter. For now, I don't mind because I can see the night clock better.
UPDATE: Portrait will not work regardless of case vs none. If you are able to get it to get a connection, it cannot maintain it. As stated in post #7, I believe there is an alignment issue with the coils and the phone. I will be emailing Tylt to see what they have to say.
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I was gonna buy a Tylt, but the price was ridiculous, so I ordered one of these, shold be here tomorrow...less than 1/2 the price!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201195843383?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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I was gonna buy a Tylt, but the price was ridiculous, so I ordered one of these, shold be here tomorrow...less than 1/2 the price!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201195843383?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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Maybe less than half in price, but less than half the charging voltage 5v versus 12v of the Tylt
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Maybe less than half in price, but less than half the charging voltage 5v versus 12v of the Tylt
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they both put out 1 amp while charging, so there wont be much, if any difference in how long it takes them to charge a phone, especially if they are sitting on the charging stand for awhile, But hey, if it makes you feel better about overpaying by more than double, that's ok..
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I'm not sure why pics are needed? To update, I realized that case, or no case, it's not going to work in portrait orientation. It does get a connection but cannot maintain it. I've updated my OP to reflect that.
Also, there is now at least one review of similar products on Amazon having the same issue. Some of the vendors are even updating their item descriptions saying not to use with the S6/Edge
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Maybe less than half in price, but less than half the charging voltage 5v versus 12v of the Tylt
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While that is true, if you're just using it as a charger overnight then it shouldn't be much of an issue. The 3 coil could benefit there as well, as my suspicion is an alignment issue with the S6 and the Tylt, and other products based on its design.
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I was gonna buy a Tylt, but the price was ridiculous, so I ordered one of these, shold be here tomorrow...less than 1/2 the price!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201195843383?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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Let me know how well it works, with and without a case if possible.
I have 2 tylt Vu wireless chargers and my 6 edge works fine in portrait with both. Maybe it's just your unit ??? Btw i also have the neo hybrid case on while wireless charging .
I can definitely agree with OP. I have two tylt vu chargers, tried it with both case and no case on the edge, and the chargers both exhibit weird behaviors when the phone is in portrait. The behaviors include:
Charger showing green light but phone does not show charging
S6 edge continuously disconnect and reconnects back to the wireless charging
No light and not charging on the S6 edge
I think the position of the wireless charging receiver on the edge must be in between the top and middle coils and is not getting a solid connection. It would also explain why having it landscape will give you a proper connection if it is able to solidly make a connection with bottom coil.
UPDATE: I did some testing with the charger I have at home and it seems that the case might be the real culprit. I cannot seem to replicate the weird behaviors when there is no case on the phone; it chargers just fine. I did take a video that shows the odd behavior when the S6 edge has a neo-hybrid case on, this one. youtube link
I have two Tylt chargers and my S6 Edge works great in portrait. I was lucky and got two Tylt chargers on clearance $30 each from T-Mobile a year ago. Have no issues charging with my clear plastic T-Mobile case. It's very thin though.
My Note 4 had issues wireless charging at times I would have to take it off then set it back down. I had the Samsung Qi back cover.
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I can definitely agree with OP. I have two tylt vu chargers, tried it with both case and no case on the edge, and the chargers both exhibit weird behaviors when the phone is in portrait. The behaviors include:
Charger showing green light but phone does not show charging
S6 edge continuously disconnect and reconnects back to the wireless charging
No light and not charging on the S6 edge
I think the position of the wireless charging receiver on the edge must be in between the top and middle coils and is not getting a solid connection. It would also explain why having it landscape will give you a proper connection if it is able to solidly make a connection with bottom coil.
UPDATE: I did some testing with the charger I have at home and it seems that the case might be the real culprit. I cannot seem to replicate the weird behaviors when there is no case on the phone; it chargers just fine. I did take a video that shows the odd behavior when the S6 edge has a neo-hybrid case on, this one. youtube link
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I have this case http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SV63WVE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Probably not the absolute thinnest case but it can't be too far off. If the charger cannot work properly even with a case as thin as this, then that, to me, is an issue. The fact that the "knockoff" versions of this product are starting to see reviews with similar issues should be considered. What I don't know is if the reviewer tested like you did...
Review: http://www.amazon.com/review/R30U94...etail-glance&nodeID=2335752011&store=wireless
Another vote for having two Tylt Vu's (apparently I'm not the only one who can't have just one!), and they both work fine without a case.... that being said, I ordered the Spigen Neo Hybrid CC in gunmetal as my first case I've ever had on any Galaxy device, EVER - this phone is just too damn expensive and thin not to have one this time - and I'll let you know in two days if it still works with that case on it!
S6e + Tylt + Spigen Neo Hybrid = No Bueno
I concur with OP. 5 tylt chargers around the house and my S6e with Spigen Neo Hybrid exhibits inconsistent wireless charging on portrait but no problem in landscape mode. Naked S6e charges with no problems in portrait.
This is my case that I have no issues wirless charging on my Tylt in portrait. The case is made by Samsung and I bought it at T-Mobile at cost $20 instead of $35. Limited protection but does cover the corners. S6 Edge is to damn sexy to hide in a case. I know it's better safe then sorry. Also if you register your phone at Samaung you can get 30% off and buy it from them.
http://www.t-mobile.com/accessories/samsung-galaxy-s-6-edge-protective-cover-clear-silver.html
That pretty unfortunate.
I happened to order this wireless charger/stand http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S7IBDGW/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_y-5jvb18R9X7M and charging in Portrait with a case/without a case works perfectly.
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That pretty unfortunate.
I happened to order this wireless charger/stand http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00S7IBDGW/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_y-5jvb18R9X7M and charging in Portrait with a case/without a case works perfectly.
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That's interesting because that's the same unit that the one review I saw they had problems. Also, I don't know how new this is or when you bought it, but it says in the item description that this is not for the S6 or S6 Edge, and that there will be a new version that is compatible.
The reviewer doesn't say whether it's the S6 or S6 Edge, however I am seeing on other branded products, the item descriptions are being updated with a warning not to buy for the S6.
I can't make heads or tails of it. I have other receivers that work just fine. Those include a Choetech Stadium, MobilePal battery pack with Qi charging, a Koolpad, and iOttie EasyFlex Wireless Charging Car Dock...
As an update to my comment about my S6E working just fine in the Tylt Vu, it still does, but damn that thing took over 6 hours to charge last night and when I picked it up this morning, it was MUCH hotter than my S5 ever was on the Tylt Vu with wireless charging cover..... I'll have to look how long it took my S5 to charge over night, I got my S6E down to around 15% and charged it from there - and then this morning when I was waking up, it made a charging connection sound, so I went to look at it to see if it had the same issues a few of you had, expecting to get up and see it half-dead, and it was at 100%.... so it was charging all night, no disconnections, just took a loooooooong time and made a looooooot of heat, which can't be good for it!
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That's interesting because that's the same unit that the one review I saw they had problems. Also, I don't know how new this is or when you bought it, but it says in the item description that this is not for the S6 or S6 Edge, and that there will be a new version that is compatible.
The reviewer doesn't say whether it's the S6 or S6 Edge, however I am seeing on other branded products, the item descriptions are being updated with a warning not to buy for the S6.
I can't make heads or tails of it. I have other receivers that work just fine. Those include a Choetech Stadium, MobilePal battery pack with Qi charging, a Koolpad, and iOttie EasyFlex Wireless Charging Car Dock...
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Interesting I didn't even see that in the description before i bought it. But i can confirm this version works just fine with my Edge . And for the time being I am using the Spigen Air Cushion hybrid case and it still charges. It is a Qi enabled charger, I don't see why it would not be for a Qi device such as S6/Edge.
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Interesting I didn't even see that in the description before i bought it. But i can confirm this version works just fine with my Edge . And for the time being I am using the Spigen Air Cushion hybrid case and it still charges. It is a Qi enabled charger, I don't see why it would not be for a Qi device such as S6/Edge.
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The issue is alignment between the coil(s) and the receiver. Are you carefully about how you put your phone onto it.or do you just kind.of drop it in there without giving it any thought?
Not sure if it will be any good but I have ordered on to see
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Type-C-...986680?hash=item4d44193db8:g:g2UAAOSwt7pXNIHp
There only seems to be one type ATM
and it supposedly charges at DC 5V/1000mA (depending obviously on the transmitting charger)
It's available from Amazon as well but they all link back to China
Early days, here's hoping I don't blow up my 5X
Yes it blocks the USB port but I always SMB stuff from my nas box so that's not a problem.
You're lucky if you ever get even 500mA out of it. Every Chinese Qi pad vendor overstates the power on their product. Still, nice to have the option. Let us know how it goes
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Iiinteresting, ordered one of those through Amazon. Even if it's only 500mA it'll be nice to have, I just hope it doesn't mess with NFC stuff. Looks like it shouldn't given that the antenna for that is near the camera according to the manual.
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You're lucky if you ever get even 500mA out of it. Every Chinese Qi pad vendor overstates the power on their product. Still, nice to have the option. Let us know how it goes
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The receiver coil looks bigger than the ones I've seen before so maybe 1 amp is a possibility, i'll let report when it eventually gets here.
Quick review
Got the pad now and here is my initial review
Clearly the photo on the advert is a bit of a lie as the coil is about half the size as you can see in the photo below.
The pad is situated to far too the top on the Nexus 5X and sticks out where the fingerprint reader is. This can be easily fixed by cutting a bit off the top, as the coil does not come right to the edge this can be done without ruining the receiver.
THe bit that plugs into the USB socket sticks out which is a bit annoying but not the end of the world.
On my Zens dual Qi charger it took just less than 4 hours to charge from 36% to full so it's not super fast but not that bad over night. The phone indicated slow charging and was AC charging by the battery usage page.
It seems to have no problem staying connected as long as you are aware where the coil is on the pad (towards the top) and has no problem charging through my case
It does not appear to interfere with the radio antenna at all so thats ok.
Also it's super slim so should not interfere with most cases
So in conclusion its fine for me as I rarely need to charge the phone except for overnight, and I have not been using the faster charger anyway.
In case anyone is wondering the case is a Nillkin Matte Super Shield Hard Shell Case which is super nice though the black was a mistake
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Got the pad now and here is my initial review
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Nice, thanks for the update. I'm still waiting on mine, it'll be nice to have wireless charging again.
edit: I did get mine today... it's a bit flaky at best, currently i'm blaming the qi charger, i've got a different one on the way.
Good to know it fits under a Nillkin case, as that's what I have for my Nexus 6P. I ordered a receiver on the 25th, hope I get it soon.
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edit: I did get mine today... it's a bit flaky at best, currently i'm blaming the qi charger, i've got a different one on the way.
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The charging on mine seems rock solid but the zens dual does have a pretty big target area to put the coil in.
See the screenshot below the charge looks pretty rock solid
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The charging on mine seems rock solid but the zens dual does have a pretty big target area to put the coil in.
See the screenshot below the charge looks pretty rock solid
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While fiddling with it the qi pad I have it only really works when the thing is outside my case in one exact spot. So... given that it worked fine for someone else I went hunting on Amazon and found a better looking unit.
We'll see Saturday when it gets here if I chose the right one.
Woot, got a full charge overnight with the new qi pad so that old pad is basically crap.
How thick is the pad? I'm wondering if it would be possible to remove as many unnecessary part from it and try to fit it under the back cover of the phone. And also solder it directly to the charging board so that the USB would be still usable
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How thick is the pad? I'm wondering if it would be possible to remove as many unnecessary part from it and try to fit it under the back cover of the phone. And also solder it directly to the charging board so that the USB would be still usable
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it's not very thick at all and any generic Qi receiver would probably do as a few people already have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WimH8g-H2lE
There is padding over the battery on the back case you can remove if it's too thick
Has anyone else been having problems with theirs?
For a couple days now it's charged to full and then the next morning it'll be less than 100%. Yesterday it was at 89%, today it was at 93%. I did verify it was at 100% yesterday before I went to bed.
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Has anyone else been having problems with theirs?
For a couple days now it's charged to full and then the next morning it'll be less than 100%. Yesterday it was at 89%, today it was at 93%. I did verify it was at 100% yesterday before I went to bed.
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I don't have one of these, but I might have a possible explanation. I used to use a 0.7 amp or 1.0 amp charger for charging the 5X overnight. Seemed to work at first, but then it started showing less than 100% in the morning. What seemed to happen from the battery graph is it would charge to full, then start draining (slowly) and not top up again. So I think the low power just didn't trigger it to start charging again once the battery drained a little.
I put it on a 2 amp charger and it now is 100% in the morning. If your phone acts like mine, it might be due to the lower power from wireless charging.
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I don't have one of these, but I might have a possible explanation. I used to use a 0.7 amp or 1.0 amp charger for charging the 5X overnight. Seemed to work at first, but then it started showing less than 100% in the morning. What seemed to happen from the battery graph is it would charge to full, then start draining (slowly) and not top up again. So I think the low power just didn't trigger it to start charging again once the battery drained a little.
I put it on a 2 amp charger and it now is 100% in the morning. If your phone acts like mine, it might be due to the lower power from wireless charging.
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Yeah.. I was kinda thinking that a little, good to see it confirmed. Not sure how much the pad was getting but the sending unit was only drawing ~1A so that's the issue there...
Oh well, it was a nice experiment, would have been better had it actually worked though. Back to the included charger it is then.
Just a note from years of experience with these Qi chargers:
There's some inherent loss in efficiency. Essentially, your wall charger is working to spin current around in a coil, which then by magnetic induction causes current to spin around another coil (in your phone), that then feeds into the battery. It's indirect, there's no contact, and some phone materials can even impede it (just one reason these stupid metal wannabe-iphones luddites keep demanding are a terrible idea ).
Bottom line is - you need a charger that's over an amp, closer to 2a if possible, to spin some of these Qi chargers up enough that it makes a large enough field to get to the Qi coil in your phone and charge it efficiently. Ones that come with tablets seem to work fine - I have my Nexus 7 charger on my office Qi (which is angled and serves dual duty of holding my phone for easy reading and viewing).
I'm actually more interested personally in an internal Qi option - solder it in, invisible.
True story - I did that with my S3 before I got an S5, and it worked great. Didn't have to bother when I got an S5, since they sold an optional Qi battery door for the S5. ...don't get me started on my hatred of the design philosophy that excludes removable battery doors.
Anyway - I just picked up a 5x, reluctantly ditching many of the features I had on my S5, to try Google Fi service out.
Wireless charging is something that I'm very interested in - I have wireless chargers literally installed (meaning: hidden, routed wires) in my car, office, and house, specifically to avoid that dorm-room spaghetti-everywhere aesthetic. "Wireless... it's not just for convenience anymore."
Hopefully there's a thread with step by step instructions on a good Qi pad and identified soldering points to install internally?
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Just a note from years of experience with these Qi chargers:
There's some inherent loss in efficiency. Essentially, your wall charger is working to spin current around in a coil, which then by magnetic induction causes current to spin around another coil (in your phone), that then feeds into the battery. It's indirect, there's no contact, and some phone materials can even impede it (just one reason these stupid metal wannabe-iphones luddites keep demanding are a terrible idea ).
Bottom line is - you need a charger that's over an amp, closer to 2a if possible, to spin some of these Qi chargers up enough that it makes a large enough field to get to the Qi coil in your phone and charge it efficiently. Ones that come with tablets seem to work fine - I have my Nexus 7 charger on my office Qi (which is angled and serves dual duty of holding my phone for easy reading and viewing).
I'm actually more interested personally in an internal Qi option - solder it in, invisible.
True story - I did that with my S3 before I got an S5, and it worked great. Didn't have to bother when I got an S5, since they sold an optional Qi battery door for the S5. ...don't get me started on my hatred of the design philosophy that excludes removable battery doors.
Anyway - I just picked up a 5x, reluctantly ditching many of the features I had on my S5, to try Google Fi service out.
Wireless charging is something that I'm very interested in - I have wireless chargers literally installed (meaning: hidden, routed wires) in my car, office, and house, specifically to avoid that dorm-room spaghetti-everywhere aesthetic. "Wireless... it's not just for convenience anymore."
Hopefully there's a thread with step by step instructions on a good Qi pad and identified soldering points to install internally?
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Such a thread exists. Someone also offers a service doing the soldering for you. I might be able to find it...
Here is the mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3231461
EDIT: why did you mod your S3 when you could have dropped this in?
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That may exist today, but certainly didn't exist when the S3 was the current flagship phone.
Back in those years, the popular (and nearly 'only', here on XDA) modification was to buy the Palm Pre battery door and charger (non-Qi) and use those parts.
Since Palm had recently gone bust, $20 would get you all the parts you need - including Palm's proprietary charger base, a receiver sticker, even a charger.
And honestly, I have to say the Qi charger gets much hotter than the Palm system, so there might be an argument there for it being technically 'better than' the Qi systems. Qi is simply the standard today.
So now with the news that there are some accessories(chargers and cables) that are not compliant with the USB type C specifications, I wonder if these wireless pads are compliant with the specification?
I would really like to purchase the Samsung Qi fast wireless charger
but I have a few questions about it before I buy one.
#1: How much slower is the fast wireless Qi charger when compared to
the standard samsung fast usb charger which comes with the phone?
#2: Does the phone get hot or very warm when it's charging wirelessly?
#3: Does the phone charge slower when it has a one piece case on it?
Thanks in advance,
Have a great day!
#1, add around 30% time to charge
#2 Not that i have noticed
#3 Depends on the case
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#1, add around 30% time to charge
#2 Not that i have noticed
#3 Depends on the case
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Thanks for the information,
Have a great day!
It´s just with me or it is difficult to put the phone on the right place to charge
I used a few times because of this, depend of the place where you put to charge, of course I am putting on the middle, the phone centred haha
Misterjunky said:
I would really like to purchase the Samsung Qi fast wireless charger
but I have a few questions about it before I buy one.
#1: How much slower is the fast wireless Qi charger when compared to
the standard samsung fast usb charger which comes with the phone?
#2: Does the phone get hot or very warm when it's charging wirelessly?
#3: Does the phone charge slower when it has a one piece case on it?
Thanks in advance,
Have a great day!
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http://www.a4c.com/catalogsearch/result?q=samsung+fast+wireless+charger
I bought one from here and it was legit (not fake). Buy one and if you don't like it, send it back. I dock my phone every night I go to sleep. It has a very quite fan noise and the charging light notification is bright, but some electrical tape can take care of it.
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leyvatron said:
http://www.a4c.com/catalogsearch/result?q=samsung+fast+wireless+charger
I bought one from here and it was legit (not fake). Buy one and if you don't like it, send it back. I dock my phone every night I go to sleep. It has a very quite fan noise and the charging light notification is bright, but some electrical tape can take care of it.
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What I was asking for were answers to my three questions from users who have
the Samsung Wireless QI Charger and have used it and have experience with it.. LOL
I already knew that I can send it back/return it if I don't like it, That's what I am trying to avoid!!!
Thanks for the reply...
Have a great day!
Misterjunky said:
What I was asking for were answers to my three questions from users who have
the Samsung Wireless QI Charger and have used it and have experience with it.. LOL
I already knew that I can send it back/return it if I don't like it, That's what I am trying to avoid!!!
Thanks for the reply...
Have a great day!
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I have both, the flat and the tilted charger from Samsung. I got an extra at Radio Shack going out of business, gutted it, and put it under the cubby hole in my car to charge while driving. The flat one I have next to my computer and use it rarely. The tilted charger, be warned. The lip of it where the phone sits is extremely narrow; 3 weeks after I got my Edge 7, it became an Olympic ski jumper, slid off the charger, off the desk, and right into the metal rail on my bed and cracked the housing at the charging port. I really only use the home chargers when I go to bed, and the one in my car while driving 40 miles to and from work. I like them because I've been getting Ringke cases that have port covers, and using the wireless, I don't risk marring the finish trying to connect a cable. It's funny how many people see it, either at work, or when I installed it in the car, and really like the idea. I never take my case off to charge, and never really notice it being any hotter than if I were using it for an extended time period.
Misterjunky said:
What I was asking for were answers to my three questions from users who have
the Samsung Wireless QI Charger and have used it and have experience with it.. LOL
I already knew that I can send it back/return it if I don't like it, That's what I am trying to avoid!!!
Thanks for the reply...
Have a great day!
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I know, but you are thinking of buying one. I'm simply giving you a link, if you decide to buy one, to a REAL Samsung fast wireless charger for a good price. The market is flooded with fake ones at low prices. Usually, if the price is fairly low, then it's a fake Samsung product.
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ecmperalta said:
It´s just with me or it is difficult to put the phone on the right place to charge
I used a few times because of this, depend of the place where you put to charge, of course I am putting on the middle, the phone centred haha
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Every time i use it (with s6 edge+ or s7 edge) it charges, no problem at all, even with the cases (s6e+ has verus high pro shield and s7e has spigen case rugged armor)
I don't have Samsung QI Charger, I got my QI Wireless Charger from Anker, Very great quality for the half of price and do the same job
Since i am not using fast charging via cable and always charge the regular - slow - way so i got the regular one from Anker, Charge time is as same as the cable time.
No major heat or something just the regular warmth, and working fine with cases.
I like it, very easy to just place the phone and wake away , no cables or USB Port damage, Won't back to regular charge
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-PowerPort-Charging-Qi-Enabled/dp/B00Y839YMU
https://goo.gl/KGnDGJ
I have two of them. Stand.
#1: 20-30%
#2: It gets warm even with the fan at the back of the charger running all the time.Not hot and not very warm.
#3: Not in my case and I have cases with different thickness.
The one thing that kept me from buying the Samsung rugged case was the disclaimer that it doesn't work with wireless charging. I saw buried within another thread that it does work so I ran over to Best Buy to test it out. Took the case out of the package and used their display wireless charger to test. It works fine. I left it there longer than the youtube video guy, because sometimes it'll say it's charging initially, and then stop charging after a few seconds (longer than he let the phone sit for). I waited to see the actual increase in battery life. Then I made my way to the register with the phone still in the case and paid for it using Samsung Pay. Both worked perfectly. Thought I'd bring this into a separate thread for anyone who's on the fence.
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The one thing that kept me from buying the Samsung rugged case was the disclaimer that it doesn't work with wireless charging. I saw buried within another thread that it does work so I ran over to Best Buy to test it out. Took the case out of the package and used their display wireless charger to test. It works fine. I left it there longer than the youtube video guy, because sometimes it'll say it's charging initially, and then stop charging after a few seconds (longer than he let the phone sit for). I waited to see the actual increase in battery life. Then I made my way to the register with the phone still in the case and paid for it using Samsung Pay. Both worked perfectly. Thought I'd bring this into a separate thread for anyone who's on the fence.
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Awesome, I just picked up with black one at Best Buy this morning. I am used to having the Otterbox Defender case on all my devices but figured I'd try a thinner case and I really like the look of this official Samsung case but I am worried about drops, even though it has this military drop protection. I stumbled across this short video of someone throwing the phone across the room so it should hold up fairly well.
VIDEO LINK
So what's your trick
First off i think samsung know more about the design of the case then a typical (i use that in air quotes) consumer.
I have TWO samsung convertible fast chargers and the military case from samsung.
I will admit i did not try the phone LAYING DOWN (and I cant test at the moment), but in portrait mode, the charging starts but pauses. Then starts, then pauses. This is standard behavior.
I'm not making this up, Ive literally sat watching it do this just to prove if it can work in my experience.. and it doesn't.
Now.. the Choetech charger I reviewed seems to charge the phone through the case. Perhaps the leather type materials on the samsung charger absorb more energy than just the plastic back on the Choetech.
So I THINK its possible to charge the phone in that style case but its not reliable with the samsung one.
Unless you can give me some pointers on Howe to place it, but then it becomes a chore/hassle.
My daily driver will be the alcantara case so this will be moot for me but its good discussion I nonetheless. :highfive:
marctronixx said:
First off i think samsung know more about the design of the case then a typical (i use that in air quotes) consumer.
I have TWO samsung convertible fast chargers and the military case from samsung.
I will admit i did not try the phone LAYING DOWN (and I cant test at the moment), but in portrait mode, the charging starts but pauses. Then starts, then pauses. This is standard behavior.
I'm not making this up, Ive literally sat watching it do this just to prove if it can work in my experience.. and it doesn't.
Now.. the Choetech charger I reviewed seems to charge the phone through the case. Perhaps the leather type materials on the samsung charger absorb more energy than just the plastic back on the Choetech.
So I THINK its possible to charge the phone in that style case but its not reliable with the samsung one.
Unless you can give me some pointers on Howe to place it, but then it becomes a chore/hassle.
My daily driver will be the alcantara case so this will be moot for me but its good discussion I nonetheless. :highfive:
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This is a good point. The chargers on display at Best Buy were the original fast wireless charges (which I have at home) and not the new convertible style. Like I said I put the phone in the case and waited for the actual power to visually increase in both portrait and landscape modes before I went to the register. I'm currently at work and I have a cheap Qi charger that I got from Amazon (also no fabric material on it) and it works fine as well. No special positioning. (I know all about having to place the phone on the charger in just the right spot...and then wait....since I've used magnetic holders and had to figure a way around the metal plate within the case.)
ggblake said:
The one thing that kept me from buying the Samsung rugged case was the disclaimer that it doesn't work with wireless charging. I saw buried within another thread that it does work so I ran over to Best Buy to test it out. Took the case out of the package and used their display wireless charger to test. It works fine. I left it there longer than the youtube video guy, because sometimes it'll say it's charging initially, and then stop charging after a few seconds (longer than he let the phone sit for). I waited to see the actual increase in battery life. Then I made my way to the register with the phone still in the case and paid for it using Samsung Pay. Both worked perfectly. Thought I'd bring this into a separate thread for anyone who's on the fence.
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My phone in the case would disconnect and reconnect over and over all night long, I noticed this and pulled the Samsung Rugged case off and the phone began charging like usual. I am using last years Fast charger, not this years so I am going to say it DOES NOT work properly with the Samsung Rugged case.
I've been using it for 2 days now with no issues. Maybe it's hit or miss and maybe that's why Samsung made the disclaimer.
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I've been using it for 2 days now with no issues. Maybe it's hit or miss and maybe that's why Samsung made the disclaimer.
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I believe so and it's unfortunate. I went with this case in the hopes it works, so since it doesn't I'm going to return it to Best buy and get the OtterBox Defender since wireless charging won't work on these thick cases might as well have the most protection.
It does not work reliably. Period. Sammy made no problems letting this be known. If you want this style of case and protection, you cant have it all. That's why there are other cases that do work.
Again i have two of these convertible chargers and with the military case on the charging does not work. Pauses, starts, pauses, starts... this is going to be the case for the overwhelming majority. Is it possible that it may work for someone or a small number of people? Its possible but with ther disclaimers that it doesn't work already known, it makes no sense for someone to try to use the case on the charger...
NOW the CHOETECH wireless charger DOES work with the case. I have the charger and confirmed this. It takes not special placement.. just sit it there normally. Its 20 bucks so its a good alternative.
It does not work reliably and stops charging anytime it feels like it. I have tried it with the d slow chargers, fast chargers in both positions and with the new Convertible charger in both positions...all stock OEM Samsung chargers. It starts to work and then fails.
Interestingly, the update released today addressed both camera issues as well as "optimizing wireless charging" so maybe once we get that update things will improve.
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NOW the CHOETECH wireless charger DOES work with the case. I have the charger and confirmed this. It takes not special placement.. just sit it there normally. Its 20 bucks so its a good alternative.
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Link to exact charger?
Here's my review....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...iew-choetech-qi-fast-charge-wireless-t3671199
Hey does anyone know if this case fit the whitestone dome glass screen protector?
Same question
finally ordered with 30% code.
marctronixx said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...iew-choetech-qi-fast-charge-wireless-t3671199
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It won't charge through an OtterBox Defender case which sucks, now I really can't use this charger...
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confused?
i didnt test an otterbox, nor did I mention one?
xbmoyx said:
Link to exact charger?
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Wireless Charger, CHOETECH Type C [Sleep-Friendly] QI Wireless Charging Pad for iPhone 8/8 Plus/X, Samsung Galaxy Note 8, S8, S8 Plus, S6 Edge Plus and Other Qi-Enabled Devices (Adapter Not Included)
I'm sure you found it by now but it works for me without issue with the Rugged case on the note 8. Sorry it wont let me post the link but you can search it up on Amazon.
xbmoyx said:
I believe so and it's unfortunate. I went with this case in the hopes it works, so since it doesn't I'm going to return it to Best buy and get the OtterBox Defender since wireless charging won't work on these thick cases might as well have the most protection.
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Hi
With this Charger
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-P...8931&sr=1-1&keywords=pulesen+wireless+charger
It also works for me with the Otterbox Defender in portrait mode, but you have to place it correct and you have to use the right power adapter, with the fast charge adapter from Sasmung (EP-TA20EBE) it doens't work but with the ETA-U90EWE from Samsung it works perfect (no fast charging, but this i don't need and want).
It doesn't take much to just take the phone out to charge
I know how convenient it is to charge your phone while it's in the case. However, it's not too much of a hassle to take it out just for a while to charge it. Since Samsung made the disclaimer, I would rather trust that they know what they are talking about and just take the phone out to charge. That way, you get a reliable charge and then put the case back on when it's done. Not a big deal.