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should we really have to wait for froyo?

First of all, I've got to say that Android is awesome.
Now here's the thing
I enthusiastically bought a phone with, among many other fantastic things:
1. 800x480 resolution
2. 512mb RAM
3. 32mb storage capability (phones supposed to format 32mb)
4. A high end screen ( that I now understand to be 3 years old), for what should be smooth scrolling
5. stable 3G connectivity
6. And I assumed the gallery would be at least as quality as the older firmware versions. In truth its still solid but its fair to expect firmware updates to, at the very least, not make stuff worse...
Meanwhile the froyo update is going to "free up additional RAM" and be able to format said SD cards. Don't get me wrong I don't expect Android to fix the ridiculous antennae placement or make the cameras flash more useful. Design defects are certainly tolerable and sometimes even expected, but only to a point.
I feel like broadly experienced bugs and specification shortcomings should be fixed ASAP.
I love that Android is going to give us additional, awesome features in future updates. But I don't think we should have to wait for bug fixes while Android packages them as new features in a forthcomimg update, as though they are doing us a favor. Android can take as long as they want to give us new features and I'm grateful for them and I won't complain about the wait.
But I must insist that my phone have the basic functions I purchased within at most a couple of months. We are talking about solving problems not adding features. Shouldn't the priority of the updates reflect that?

I don't know if they've released the changelog or not, but let's hope for several minor upgrades to come with it...

What's the question?

j.bruha said:
What's the question?
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-> should we really have to wait for froyo?

All I want is my ram. I'm very upset over that.

AndroidPerson said:
First of all, I've got to say that Android is awesome.
Now here's the thing
I enthusiastically bought a phone with, among many other fantastic things:
1. 800x480 resolution
2. 512mb RAM
3. 32mb storage capability (phones supposed to format 32mb)
4. A high end screen ( that I now understand to be 3 years old), for what should be smooth scrolling
5. stable 3G connectivity
6. And I assumed the gallery would be at least as quality as the older firmware versions. In truth its still solid but its fair to expect firmware updates to, at the very least, not make stuff worse...
Meanwhile the froyo update is going to "free up additional RAM" and be able to format said SD cards. Don't get me wrong I don't expect Android to fix the ridiculous antennae placement or make the cameras flash more useful. Design defects are certainly tolerable and sometimes even expected, but only to a point.
I feel like broadly experienced bugs and specification shortcomings should be fixed ASAP.
I love that Android is going to give us additional, awesome features in future updates. But I don't think we should have to wait for bug fixes while Android packages them as new features in a forthcomimg update, as though they are doing us a favor. Android can take as long as they want to give us new features and I'm grateful for them and I won't complain about the wait.
But I must insist that my phone have the basic functions I purchased within at most a couple of months. We are talking about solving problems not adding features. Shouldn't the priority of the updates reflect that?
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Other than the mem/kernel thing....are you expecting some kind of handjob update?

don't we have the additional RAM in cyanogen mod?

muncheese said:
Other than the mem/kernel thing....are you expecting some kind of handjob update?
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Hj's are cool I guess.
But If you were told the nexus one had 256mb ram and like 600x300 resolution and so on, would you have so excitedly purchased the phone? I sure wouldn't have...
I thnk we should have the basic functions the phone is supposed to have. I know its early but only ram and SD card formatting are mentioned in froyo. Shouldn't the phone have the resolution that it says it has, the ram that it says it has, and the other basic functions that it says it has prior to fun, cool, exciting feature additions? And isn't weird that Google hasnt even mentioned any intention to fix the phone so that it meets its own spec sheet? We aren't talking about demanding flash or decent video playback support or a UI overhaul. We are just talking about features and functions we were told we were buying.
Should we really still be waiting for that? I feel like we shouldn't

But the phone does have 512MB of memory and it does have 800x400 resolution. Crack it open and take a look at the parts yourself.
Sure they might not have complete software support for everything at launch and that can be frustration for some, but as far as I am concerned they put more hardware into the phone than they could use at that point for future proofing reasons. I'm happy about that.
Even after they enable all of the memory it still probably won't be used by anyone.

AndroidPerson said:
Hj's are cool I guess.
But If you were told the nexus one had 256mb ram and like 600x300 resolution and so on, would you have so excitedly purchased the phone? I sure wouldn't have...
I thnk we should have the basic functions the phone is supposed to have. I know its early but only ram and SD card formatting are mentioned in froyo. Shouldn't the phone have the resolution that it says it has, the ram that it says it has, and the other basic functions that it says it has prior to fun, cool, exciting feature additions? And isn't weird that Google hasnt even mentioned any intention to fix the phone so that it meets its own spec sheet? We aren't talking about demanding flash or decent video playback support or a UI overhaul. We are just talking about features and functions we were told we were buying.
Should we really still be waiting for that? I feel like we shouldn't
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When I received the phone I was ecstatic. That's before realizing half the ram was disabled.
I wasn't really planning on running official roms anyways, so maybe that differs for me. So I've never really been of the mind of "waiting for google to do their thing". I'm a tweaker by nature, from my phones, to my vehicles, to my shoelaces.
As far as the "false resolution" of the oled displays. Lol, you can't expect new tech to be measured by old standards.

PrawnPoBoy said:
Even after they enable all of the memory it still probably won't be used by anyone.
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"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
It would be nice if android were proper open source, instead of open source when google feels like it. For example, 'Firefox', as soon as development starts on a new version, it is completely open from the start. Though we are dealing with two different companies, with different objectives. Mozilla wants a free and open internet for the sake of a free and open internet, Google wants a free and open internet because it is good for the bottom line. In the end, both benefit me.

liam.lah said:
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
It would be nice if android were proper open source, instead of open source when google feels like it. For example, 'Firefox', as soon as development starts on a new version, it is completely open from the start. Though we are dealing with two different companies, with different objectives. Mozilla wants a free and open internet for the sake of a free and open internet, Google wants a free and open internet because it is good for the bottom line. In the end, both benefit me.
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Wait.... I was under the impression that when they say 'extra ram' its freeing up RAM from the OS, not physically?
Is someone saying we have the same amount of RAM as in the desire then? :/ (that f'ed up number, like 560 or something)

Can we port the Galaxy S ROM to this

WOW!!! (over-excitement)
I'm a smartphone geek and I always thought the Samsung Wave was just another high-end feature-phone, probably loaded with Symbian r WindowsMobile6.
On sites I kept reading "it has similar specs to Galaxy S" everywhere so I was prompted to check it out.
And they're right its got the same Hummingbird and 512mb RAM! (not sure about the SGX540 graphics though that would be OVERkill!!!) Also they share all the same features (unsure about Wifi-n and TVout), excludig the LED torch of some SGS's.
And I've got to say it is more beautifully built than the Galaxy S.
I think it is better than that plastic beast in EVERY way except smaller screen size and OS.
I was "saving up" and doing research on which GalaxyS to purchase or import (I live in Australia), BUT now I've changed my mind.
I hope and someone talented can get root access on BADA's custom linux kernel and find a means of installing CFW. Then perhaps the Galaxy S ROM might go straight in and have the correct drivers. Then the hard parts over, less-experienced (but still highly praised) developers can iron out the bugs, improve response, stability and battery life.
I'm a long-time follower of XDANDROID, so yes I know what it takes. But since underneath its still running a linux kernel, the Android Rom would be easily execute and flash once Root is accessed. Fingers crossed the inards are very similar/same (to Galaxy S), since that's a sexy-beast and it would mean we already have the drivers needed.
And what makes this proposal so so and so (lost for words here, great doesn't cut it), is that this phone bought outright is very cheap and its also offered on some of the cheapest plans ... like FREE if your on the $19 plan @2yrs.
Plz Plz, someone make this happen (and also let me know if its the SGX540 in there), I'm willing to donate. In fact, if we can get a SGS ROM that isn't too bad, I will happily pay half or a third of the difference between this and the SGS (sorry I'm a poor uni student with gadgetphilia). And I believe so would most Wave owners, once they realize the benefits!

[BRAINSTORM] What if you had a high powered Mini, AOSP and a dev kit...

For all the developers on this board, what if you had...
a higher powered Mini
AOSP, let's say Marshmallow or better
all the dev tools you'd need to get to work
...what would you, could you dream to develop this computer to do?
TV box? Gaming console? Android PC? Smart home device?
Please share with us your brainstorm ideas on this. Have fun with it and don't think about what's already out on the market... think out of the box, reach for the stars, and all the other cliches you can think of. Please share in the comments below.
Thanks!

For me, I'd love to see a higher powered version of the Mini. It's the right form factor for kiosk deployment. I'm exploring development of a kiosk/presentation system that's Android based, and will probably center its development around a device like the Mini.
Of course, I could see something like the Mini with a more stable version of Remix giving Chromebooks a run for the money in a classroom setting. Use it in the class, unplug it, take it home, plug it into your TV and do your homework. With much, much less overhead and replacement costs than are associated with broken Chromebooks in schools. (No glass to break or hinges to abuse.)

I am not a developer but a power user (business oriented) using a mixture of computers at the office those mac's and linux pc.'s.
Then I have purchased two remix minis for my office to test and see if they could replace desktop computers. As Radon_22 said cleverly, my idea was to achieve "mobile computing!" without carrying heavy laptops by the help of home tv's. So remix mini was the good device, remix os was the brilliant but with a limited memory it couldn't replace the computer.
We business users will like to see more RAM options (4GB min.) to replace pc's.
Please give us more RAM to help the businesses all around the world to simplify IT infrastructure.
Thanks to Jide people those made great idea came true.

I'd be in for a Remix Mini with Shield like internals and horsepower along with either the ability to put apps to the sd card or 64+gb of internal memory or both. With the changes to Android M and especially N, 16gb of internal memory is no longer enough.

As a web devoloper i have everything but a web browser with devtools enabled. If there would be a special developer version of browser (chromium preferably) i will be the most happy Remix Mini user!

Chinese Flagship Recommendations?

Can anyone make any recommendations for Chinese Android Flagship cell phones? Something with totally amazing Hardware that isn't skipping out on something? Like an octa-core phone or a Deca core phone with 4 gigs of RAM 64 gigs or better? With actual decent cameras an actual decent speakers. Not lacking in anything. Like having the full array of sensors. Fingerprint reader. Etc. Great benchmark scores. No bizarre gotchas.
I want to try one of the Chinese phones. Something that might be available on AliExpress or gearbest or something like that? Maybe even from a Us warehouse? Maybe even something that you could actually even get a case or screen protector for? Maybe something that could load other ROMs... although I don't absolutely need the ability to load ROMs.
One with a great version of Android on it. Something with great battery life. Basically I want it all. But I'd like to try a Chinese flagship.
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Hi there,
There are threads already established that are devoted to discussions about devices, please read, and if necessary, repost your question in one of these threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
There are also several other discussion threads that you probably should review to help you. They are What phone do you wish you had? or
The Worst Android Device That You've Ever Had & Why or even this place that talks about The best phone you ever owned.
I will have to close this one. Thanks for understanding.

Purchasing decision

I need to get a new phone, but I don't have a lot of money, so I'm looking for something cheep (under $150) but that should support last a while (so should have a decent developer community around it).
So I'm thinking of either getting a athene or something from xiaomi, or waiting a bit until most phones come out with android > 8 and then get something cheep with Treble.
Now it's true that there are no guarantees when it comes to ROMs. A maintainer could get bored and move on, leaving an immensely popular device dry while a small niche device can have a dedicated maintainer for years. But my question is that since I'm not really a ROM dev (I know Java, C, and general Linux but don't know the inner bowels of Android) I don't know how difficult will it be to port future Android versions to current phones.
For example, according to the rumor mill, other ROMs are finding it extremely hard to port Oreo to klte or to s4 due to camera HAL issues. So based on the above, what would be the most reasonable way to proceed?

iamfoolish said:
I need to get a new phone, but I don't have a lot of money, so I'm looking for something cheep (under $150) but that should support last a while (so should have a decent developer community around it).
So I'm thinking of either getting a athene or something from xiaomi, or waiting a bit until most phones come out with android > 8 and then get something cheep with Treble.
Now it's true that there are no guarantees when it comes to ROMs. A maintainer could get bored and move on, leaving an immensely popular device dry while a small niche device can have a dedicated maintainer for years. But my question is that since I'm not really a ROM dev (I know Java, C, and general Linux but don't know the inner bowels of Android) I don't know how difficult will it be to port future Android versions to current phones.
For example, according to the rumor mill, other ROMs are finding it extremely hard to port Oreo to klte or to s4 due to camera HAL issues. So based on the above, what would be the most reasonable way to proceed?
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Athene ftw