I have tried several different ROMs, some better than others, but none is truly 'fast' or feels fast enough for daily use. Flicking through tabs can sometime take a considerable time (up to a second on ocassion) to register, and the movement through tabs (using Sense) is never truly 'smooth'.
Moving on, I tried Android 2.2 (v1.6) and the phone is much worse. Android feels like an alpha at this point, and the phone takes several moments to respond, flicking through pages is abysmal and checking through settings and programs is very slow too. And that is with SETCPU set to max speed and performance. Installing LauncherPro seems to help the phone get slightly faster, but never truly up to par with other Android phones that run on the same CPU and Memory combination.
In general, I never was able to get my Diamond to work the way I thought it should. It has always been slow to respond to my commands (whether tap) and I found the touch buttons and the wheel to be fairly inaccurate too (I would press right and instead it would register as the back key, etc).
What is my best option for a Sense ROM that feels actually fast? I do not care for eye candy that much (although the ability to add a black theme is an advantage), but I do care for speed, responsiveness and battery life (free memory is always nice, but a second priority).
Is XANDROID 2.2 still in development? Will it ever reach the point where the phone runs in comparative similarity to other Android phones with the same CPU?
I'm using the MEMO Rom now, it's good but not 'perfectly' smooth... It also uses CHT2 with extra quicklinks and stuff, so it doesn't always have enough RAM left at all times.
My best experience with a "lighter" rom was Revolution rom by Michael Banszel (from Poland I think), but it was end of 2009...
Here's the original thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563245&highlight=revolution
There's a few other light sense-roms out there...
Well android want really designed for a native windows mobile device, so you can't expect it to work better than windows mobile.also I think android takes more resourcss up.
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Am I doing something wrong, or is this just what everyone's used to? The nook color is horrible for using for, well, anything, even when I first bought it the rom was laggy and sluggish. Rooted and wiped full, tried Honeycomb, CM7, MIUI, all overclocked to 1.2Ghz, and they're all just terribly slow. I had to return my first NC due to a yellow screen, and the replacement is rooted and on CM7 right now. Simple things like scrolling through a list of apps or contacts causes the nook to think I'm tapping on the contact rather than starting to scroll, pressing back in an app hangs forever until I press it again and then it registers both back presses and goes back twice, dragging widgets is nearly impossible due to the device being horrible with recognizing a drag, every animation, app drawer, slide, touch, drag, is painfully and horribly slow.
Again, this is the exact same experience I've had over two completely different new nook colors, with multiple different ROMs, including stock and overclocked. Please, tell me I'm doing something wrong, I hate this nook more than anything in life right now and I want to fix that.
Well, the NC is not the fastest android device around, but with the latest CM7 nightly, at 1.2GHz, 32 bit framebuffer disabled in Nook Tweaks and some decently optimized/accelerated apps (ADW EX instead of whatever other launcher, Opera instead of any other non-accelerated browser, Mobo for videos, etc.) it's mostly silky smooth.
I say mostly because there are some things that could be smoother, like scrolling through lists (I wish they could stop the GC from freeing memory when scrolling once and for all) and some apps that are quite slow, like ES File Explorer (also related to the GC), but otherwise it's perfectly fine to use. I have an HTC Desire and I do notice that the Desire is slightly smoother in some areas (or much smoother when srcolling through lists), but the NC is not far behind for everyday use.
I would say that your experience is not typical. The only problem that some (but not all) people have reported that your problem resembles is touch screen problems reported when using the NC will the charger plugged in.
You MIGHT be having trouble with lots of static electricity due to dry Phoenix air and A/C use. It's a shot in the dark.
You'd probably need to try to reproduce the problem for somebody to observe. I have seen some really weird PEBKAC problems that took a fresh set of eyes to troubleshoot.
I'm on phiremod. I have a few issues with it (mainly apps that I've loaded disappearing). Right now I'm going to leave well enough alone until ice cream sandwich.
With ics, we'll have the aosp (since its also for phones), and its designed to work with 7" screen and with software buttons. ICS will give us a fantastic and stable nook color (I'm only guessing though, lol)
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No issues here. I've been running 7.1RC for a while not and have no experienced anything like you say you have. True it can get sluggish at times, but never for an extended amount of time that has made it unusable.
When I used to run the old 7.0.2 stable, I noticed that having a fair amount of widgets running could cause the system to slow down. But even now with a few widgets, about 12 icons per page, and rotating wallpapers using three total pages, I use it daily and have no issues.
I have to admit I found CM7 pretty laggy before I started using the OC kernel. It's super easy now with it built into the nightlies, and it made a huge different in scrolling, etc.
That is not typical at all. I wouldn't be using (and loving) mine if it were. I am using CM7 nightly on emmc and it is a fantastic piece of work! Very responsive for what I do even without overclocking. Your experience is bad even on the stock OS so maybe it is bad hardware?
Just for kicks, I tried HC on a SanDisk 4GB class 4 card. And it is a little sluggish like you described. But not as bad and still very usable. I went back to CM7 because it is so much more responsive.
Ok, to be fair, when I say CM7 was laggy, I mean it wasn't super-silky-smooth like it is after overclocking a bit. I don't have a lot to compare to aside from a fairly new android phone (Thunderbolt). I did try a Honeycomb preview build first and that was a frustrating experience (laggy, stuff didn't work), but it was one of the earlier *preview* builds. CM7 with tablet tweaks is awesome.
To be honest, I never thought I'd register an account on XDA. Seems like theres too many pros for the noobs to fit in. Although the XDA noob video did give me some laughs.
To the OP:
Have you switched over from an Apple device? I previously had an iPhone 3g, and then a 3gs. When I switched to the Xperia X10 I thought either it was me, or the x10 was seriously messed up. It seems like it was me. I think the reason is that to scroll on the iPhone, all you need is a tiny little swiping motion to move between screens. However, it's not the case with Android phones. I found that your swiping gestures need to be a little bigger, otherwise, it's recognized as a click/tap/whatever.
I got used to it, however, I did find that installing a custom rom (CM7) helped a little.
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Also, make sure you use advanced task killer or something to get rid of stuff in the background. **** running in the background Makes it slow. If it's rooted, try SetCPU and have it so that it's not ondemand, but on performance. Or, adjust the sliders until the minimum and maximum CPU speed is the same, making it run full speed all the time (Although I recommend having it set to the minimum while the screen is off.)
Apparently a major cause of the sluggishness in the scrolling of various apps and things such as form lists is due to the OS's garbage collector going nuts and trying to free memory in rapid succession. No ROM available for Nook Color solves this as it's some sort of flaw with Android 2.x itself. I don't know if Honeycomb (3.x) is better but I'm guessing that it is. Honeycomb will probably never be available in source form so Nook Color will never get it in proper form. Supposedly Android 4 (Ice Cream Sandwich) will be released in source, but we're talking a ways off and I'm unsure of how well it will fit Nook Color's hardware.
But yeah Nook Color is very slow compared to say a notebook. The CPU is an Arm Cortex A8 which is very low power, but also very simplistic compared with desktop/notebook CPUs. This is a necessity with a handheld device. However, the newer tablets with the NVIDIA Tegra 2 SoC (for example) use a Cortex A9 dual core where each core is much superior to the Nook's CPU and it has two of them.
Nook Color is a cheap entry level tablet with a nice screen but it has a ton of quirks because in modded form it is a community project with limited resources behind it.
OP, are you installing to an sd card? Maybe the card is unsuitable (quite common problem). I actually underclock mine, installed to the internal drive. Sometimes I get a menu scroll registering as a tap, but I get that on any touch device I've tried. Overall a properly tuned nook runs pretty snappy imo.
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OP, are you installing to an sd card? Maybe the card is unsuitable (quite common problem). I actually underclock mine, installed to the internal drive. Sometimes I get a menu scroll registering as a tap, but I get that on any touch device I've tried. Overall a properly tuned nook runs pretty snappy imo.
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What he said^^ are you running off SD card? I tried that at first and absolutely hated it, it was soo slow ESP. Scrolling through the interface and app drawer. I have since put phiremod 6.3 on my emc and saw a huge improvement and I'm only at 800mhz. Then I tried the v6 supercharger script and again saw an improvement in scrolling speeds and smoothness. If I OC then its very snappy! You may also try to recalibrate the screen if you are finding its not super sensitive which it is.
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OP, are you installing to an sd card? Maybe the card is unsuitable (quite common problem). I actually underclock mine, installed to the internal drive. Sometimes I get a menu scroll registering as a tap, but I get that on any touch device I've tried. Overall a properly tuned nook runs pretty snappy imo.
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Oh yeah, there's also that possibility.
I don't have a nook but I've been reading up about it.
Shouldn't you have a class 4 microSD card or higher for it to run decently well?
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Oh yeah, there's also that possibility.
I don't have a nook but I've been reading up about it.
Shouldn't you have a class 4 microSD card or higher for it to run decently well?
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Random block write speed is the most important thing. Sandisk 8 and 16 gig class 4 have the best performance suited to running a SD based CM7. Other brands even in class 6 or 10 have been found to be too slow and resulted in force closes and sluggish responding apps.
Nope, I'm not running it off an SD card. I think the screen issue is a problem with my nook itself; installing a drawing app and trying to draw never gives me a full line, and drawing in some places is just impossible.
As for the slowness... I must be doing something wrong then, because both my nooks have just been horrible.
That's certainly not my experience. I'm running CM7 nightly 151 off sd and I can scroll through my app drawer or through long file lists very smoothly. A simple flick moves easily through hundreds of thumbnails. The only lag I ever experience is changing web pages. Maybe I'm biased because my main computer is a netbook but I really don't think the nook is at all slow.
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Also, make sure you use advanced task killer or something to get rid of stuff in the background. **** running in the background Makes it slow. If it's rooted, try SetCPU and have it so that it's not ondemand, but on performance. Or, adjust the sliders until the minimum and maximum CPU speed is the same, making it run full speed all the time (Although I recommend having it set to the minimum while the screen is off.)
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Do not EVER use a task killer!! This is android 2.3 not 1.5. Task killers screw everything up. Android Handel's itself and apps that task killers say are running in the background are NOT really running they are cached for quicker use. Android is smart, its Linex not windows. Also do not have your CPU going full speed 24/7. Ever heard what heat does to electronics? Its not pretty.
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What version of cm7 are you using? Try a recent nightly.
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I have to say I had touch response issues like "ghost taps" more often in the first month I had the NC, but they were never a constant thing, and usually resolved by turning the screen off for a second and back on. I haven't had any such issues in quite a while, though I do occasionally have to repeat a tap on the softkeys.
If you haven't, you should track down the touchscreen calibration app for the NC and see if it helps. Some people say a screen protector helped even out their touch response, too. The NC's touch response is not the greatest in general, but your issues sound extreme.
If your finger can't make solid lines in canvas or Sketchbook try recalibrating the screen using nsr (I think its called nook screen recalibrate in the market) otherwise LCD density? Any ideas anyone?
As for ghost taps I used to have that and you know what fixed it? Either cleaning the screen all.day or a screen protector. Since the screen protector I haven't had ghost taps or the zoom in zoom out craziness that the tap of the power button fixed.
OP: try an install to eMMC its quite simple if you make a cwr bootable card to install it with
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If you haven't, you should track down the touchscreen calibration app for the NC and see if it helps. Some people say a screen protector helped even out their touch response, too. The NC's touch response is not the greatest in general, but your issues sound extreme.
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I am really in love with my bionic and would love to make the typing experience more joyable for taking notes etc.
I have heard a lot of negativity surrounding it though, anyone who purchased it care to share their experience?
Is it really laggy or stuttery?
Is the browser at least functional? Do HD youtube videos work?
I played with it for a few minutes in the store. The keyboard was definitely laggy. Also, the review that I read on Engadget said that it's actually slower than a $200 netbook. Their and my suggestion would be wait for the customer roms to come out, and then use the wireless hotspot or usb tethering. I think you'll like it better.
If you google Engadget Droid Bionic, the review will pop up.
Yeah, from what I've heard, it's very slow. I haven't actually tested it out myself, though. Perhaps call up your local Verizon store or maybe Best Buy and ask if they have any test units.
Yeah, I can chime in on this one. I bouht the dock on launch day.
First what I like:
* Plays Netflix well. This is nice for me. I usually watch an episode of South Park over lunch and it's better than looking at my smaller phone screen.
* Browsing the internet is good. Especially if you are on 4G
What I don't like:
* LAG - Like everyone says, it has some significant lag at times.
* Start up - It's very finnicky about starting up correctly. You are supposed to put your phone on the dock and then open the lid. Even when doing so, sometimes it will not come on.
* The single thing I hate the most are LOW MEMORY WARNINGS. It seems like everytime I have more than two things open, I get a popup telling me that I'm low on memory and need to close some apps.
I mainly bought this thing so I could play battle pirates while I was in the car, on a break, or just away from home in general. I can start to play it, but as soon as I do,.... memory error.
Anyway, I think the concept is great but the whole setup could use some more RAM to help remedy most of the Lag and memory overun issues.
I will be taking mine back later this week. Not worth the $300 price tag in my opinion.
I for one love the lapdock. I think it accompanies the mobile device well. The bionic is fully functional while docked. I don't expect to get the same performance as I would a full blown laptop. But.... It's great being able to surf the internet with the larger screen and a full size keyboard, and yet being able to just undock the phone and be on the go. And yes... with the 4G surfing the Internet is awesome. The only thing I have to get used to use the left/right mouse clicks on the lapdock are a bit stiff. There is a little lag sometimes using the lapdock, but it isn't that bad.
All in all I am very satisfied with the lapdock and don't regret buying it. It is a great accessory to an already great mobile device. FREAKIN AWESOME!!!
I also purchased the lap dock on launch day but I have taken it back due to the lag. I had hoped to replace at least one device and use it to access my virtual desktop which does work great as a web top app. In the end the lag killed it for me and I could not justify the price. Great concept and would have loved it to work. I will say the HD dock works great!
I've got next to no RAM free evidently and it makes it rather difficult to use the lapdock. It actually responds fairly well otherwise other than my spacebar refusing to register unless I slam it. Rather annoying! Once I cleared up some RAM though things are running far better. Gonna give it a few more days (this is my first night with it) so I can give it time to settle in.
I bought the bionic, lapdock and extended battery the second day of launch.
PROS:
Firefox 3.0 (haven't tried plugins with adblocker yet)
Surfing with 4g is a very positive experience
1080p streaming works great
2 USB connections in the rear works great for a wireless mouse with scroller (haven't tried with a gamepad to see if it works. Excited to try with psx4droid playing final fantasy to see if it works)
Very easy to type with keyboard
Lapdock has a built in 8 hour batt that charges your phone as well
Works great with netfilx and nfl mobile on 4g
Thin, lightweight
Good resolution
Full access to phone
Answer phone calls with speaker without having to lean over
Settings for screensaver time, mouse speed controls, changeable desktop background
Lapdock batt life indicator
Windows ctrl commands work such as ctrl+p, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, ctrl++, ctrl+- for example
CONS:
Spacebar needs to be slammed in at times to register.
Needs to be custom rom'ed and overclocked without breaking webdock or lapdock
Minimal multitasking
Speaker system seems too generic
Upon initial usage system is very laggy and must be opened and closed a few times
No autoscroller on touchpad (must use page up and down arrows, becomes bearable with mouse/scroller)
Resolution of mobileview is not optimized
Wish there was a earphone/mic jack on the from of lapdock right below the touchpad
Definitely not as good and powerful as $300 netbook, but it works. I'm not sure if firefox uses both cores. It doesn't seem like it.
I see what some people are talking about regarding lag now, after using the webtop for a while. Biggest problem/concern is the Memory Manager - Low Memory error with a few tabs open in Firefox.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17590527#post17590527
You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Nokia 5 performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Nokia 5 keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
ok when multitasking, definitely not fast though. Moto G5 feels snappier.
RAM management is perfect as far as system, preinstalled apps goes. 3rd party apps are not so good. Although, after update to 7.1.2 average RAM usage decreased from 1.4GB to 1.1GB (I'm talking about overall average, not just system). That's impressive for my eyes. And Android Oreo advertises that it has amazing RAM management. This should be good.
At least with 8.0 there was a problem with RAM management, sometimes it wouldn't even keep 2 apps in RAM. Restarting the phone would fix it temporarily. After I got 8.1 update I have yet to experience this, so it's possible that it's fixed.
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At least with 8.0 there was a problem with RAM management, sometimes it wouldn't even keep 2 apps in RAM. Restarting the phone would fix it temporarily. After I got 8.1 update I have yet to experience this, so it's possible that it's fixed.
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Lucky you.. I still got it. I've sent ton of feedback to HMD through everywhere. Today I installed April's security update. Will see how this performs.
About the bug, it's random. One second everything works almost ok, another is horrible. It doesn't work > I go for screen recorder > everything works > Turn off screen recorder > nothing works..