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How would you rate the LoudSpeaker?

The last HTC Phone I had was the Evo3d and I was not satisfied with the loud speaker. Would anyone with the VIVID care to tell us about the loud speaker on the VIVID?
Is it loud and clear during a speakerphone call?
Is it loud and clear while watching youtube?
Is it loud and clear when playing games?
Is it loud and clear when you get a phone call?
Is it loud and clear when you get a system msg... txt, pic, etc?

Short answer is that it sucks.

rquinn19 said:
Short answer is that it sucks.
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It wkrks fine for me
Sent from my beastly HTC Vivid

HTC is known for horrible external speakers. The Inspire was the worst.
The Vivid although a little clearer than the Inspire, it is still very low in volumn.
It is a bit louder than the Inspire, but about HALF as loud as my Atrix or Samsung Skyrocket.
The Inspire was the last HTC phone I planned on getting. It is unbelievable that a company that big can't spend and extra $1 per phone to put in a better speaker.

Pretty much the same as all htc phones This one is kinda clear but not loud.Then The Headset Output is The same! Low sound like ALways

is this something that can be fixed like out was on the Evo3d? or is it hardware related?
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i would give it a 7 out of 10.

has anyone tried this method? it seems to address this issue on the evo3d maybe it works for other htc phones??
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1147436
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Still waiting to recieve the phone, i'm hoping that its better than im expected. The one good thing about my iphone 4 was it had a good speaker, lets hope its as good or slightly worse.

QLtnpapi said:
Pretty much the same as all htc phones This one is kinda clear but not loud.Then The Headset Output is The same! Low sound like ALways
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Sad to hear the audio situation hasn't improved on the Vivid versus the Inspire. I love my Inspire, but one of the first things I noticed was its low headset volume, since I was accustomed to the loud and clear volume output of my previous iPhones and iPods. Back when I listened to music on my iPhone 4, I didn't typically blare it at 100%, but a two-thirds volume level on the iPhone is equivalent to 100% volume level on my Inspire. The problem is that music starts to distort at 100% on the Inspire. While there are various hacks to increase the volume beyond 100% (apps like Volume+ or DSP Manager on CyanogenMod) there is always a downside - the sound distortion gets worse the higher you push the DSP past 100%, which is why HTC sets the maximum volume to the lower level. The bottom line is HTC is choosing to use poor audio hardware in their phones (maybe the new Beats phones are an exception).

For all of your questions, I would say:
Clarity is fine, but overall 'loudness,' not so much.

I had an HTC Aria when it first came out. The loudspeaker on that was of DECENT volume but good clarity. The Vivid's is clear with all sound (aside from call quality, don't like it very much). It just isn't that loud. But with how high the volume can go, it doesn't sound bad at all.

Truthfully with manufacturers these days you Either get Really loud and barely legible or like this phone Clear but not Glaringly Loud and if your in a crowded room trying to talk your probably not going to hear it very well. So it's a trade off for clarity or loudness. It's generally personal preference regarding this. I would suggest testing it yourself and deciding from there.

henrybravo said:
The problem is that music starts to distort at 100% on the Inspire. While there are various hacks to increase the volume beyond 100% (apps like Volume+ or DSP Manager on CyanogenMod)
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Thanks!
Volume+ works great! Fixes the issue and isn't overly distorted.

ClippinWings said:
Thanks!
Volume+ works great! Fixes the issue and isn't overly distorted.
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how about for phone calls while on speakerphone and for incoming call ringing? does it increase that too?
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I came from an iPhone, so the ringer volume on this phone is kinda disappointing in comparison. When I'm at work (Best Buy), I can barely hear the ringer, if at all.
Does Volume+ work with the ringer as well, or just audio?

Well this phone is my first android phone so I can't tell you if it is good compared to others, but I use to have an iPhone and the speaker phone is louder than the iPhone but music is a little louder. I'm happy with the volume
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henrybravo said:
Sad to hear the audio situation hasn't improved on the Vivid versus the Inspire. I love my Inspire, but one of the first things I noticed was its low headset volume, since I was accustomed to the loud and clear volume output of my previous iPhones and iPods. Back when I listened to music on my iPhone 4, I didn't typically blare it at 100%, but a two-thirds volume level on the iPhone is equivalent to 100% volume level on my Inspire. The problem is that music starts to distort at 100% on the Inspire. While there are various hacks to increase the volume beyond 100% (apps like Volume+ or DSP Manager on CyanogenMod) there is always a downside - the sound distortion gets worse the higher you push the DSP past 100%, which is why HTC sets the maximum volume to the lower level. The bottom line is HTC is choosing to use poor audio hardware in their phones (maybe the new Beats phones are an exception).
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I Believe That It Has Improve Over The Inspire But not as good as the iphone or the Galaxy s II.This Was The Thing That I Was Really Hoping To See Improved.

yes... seems to help there as well.

Totally useless...
As a phone ringer. I can barely hear an incoming call ringer if I have the phone on a shirt pocket, in a car driving with windows rolled down, etc.
As an alarm clock, is even worse.
Hope they can fix it in a future software upgrade.
I came from a Telstra T9193 HD2 used in AT&T 3g network. Then "upgraded" (I must say downgraded!!!) to the Windows Phone 7 HTC Surround. Both phones have excellent audio with the loudspeaker in ringer mode or alarm clock. Being the HD2 louder (one speaker) compared to the Surround which have two speakers.
But the Vivid doesn't have half the audio output of any of the above.

Sound quality

So, the Xperia Z was officially launched at a PR event in Dubai yesterday, and the price seems okay too (2499 AED, ~680 USD). I've seen concerns about the screen quality but will check that out myself when its out in stores (March). Can anyone who has the Z comment on the sound quality on the device ?

There is already a thread in Q&A.

What kind of sound quality are you talking about? Audio playback?
I'm concerned by the volume of the earpiece, and how loudly and clearly you can hear people during a phone call. In other words, what the X10 sucked ass at.

If you are concerned about audio check out the HTC One.
Stereo Front speakers, amps, amazing all around.

I've just received my phone from japan and the volume of the phone whilst playing youtube videos or music is appalling. It's hardly audible even at the highest setting. If you're wanting a phone with good speakers this is not the phone, you'll be highly disappointed. Other than the sound everything else on the phone is perfect. Great build quality etc. let me know if you want pictures or to know more about the phone id be happy to post

ya, I heard the speakers are compromised because of water proof. Guess I still got an option for head set which is what I use for my current phone.

dblshotty said:
I've just received my phone from japan and the volume of the phone whilst playing youtube videos or music is appalling. It's hardly audible even at the highest setting. If you're wanting a phone with good speakers this is not the phone, you'll be highly disappointed. Other than the sound everything else on the phone is perfect. Great build quality etc. let me know if you want pictures or to know more about the phone id be happy to post
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Hardly audible? I wonder what you have done with my ears
It's not as loud as some other phones but it's still more than adequate. It's enough to wake me up in the morning (quite easily even) and the best thing is that it doesn't sound distorted even at the highest volume.

Ambroos said:
Hardly audible? I wonder what you have done with my ears
It's not as loud as some other phones but it's still more than adequate. It's enough to wake me up in the morning (quite easily even) and the best thing is that it doesn't sound distorted even at the highest volume.
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I may have over exaggerated with my statement xD. But to be honest it's loud speaker whilst playing music is poorer than an a Lg Optimus L3, I was forced to use the optimus L3 whilst waiting for my xperia z lol so I know full well what it sounds like it. Sound via the headphone jack is fine just the loud speaker sucks it would have problems waking me up but their is always vibration so it doesn't really bother me.

dblshotty said:
I've just received my phone from japan and the volume of the phone whilst playing youtube videos or music is appalling. It's hardly audible even at the highest setting. If you're wanting a phone with good speakers this is not the phone, you'll be highly disappointed. Other than the sound everything else on the phone is perfect. Great build quality etc. let me know if you want pictures or to know more about the phone id be happy to post
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Well, that's a wrap with my interest in the Z. Nothing more annoying "to me" than a phone with crappy speakers.

vapotrini said:
Well, that's a wrap with my interest in the Z. Nothing more annoying "to me" than a phone with crappy speakers.
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if you have a iphone 5 and use the life proof case from fre that is pretty much the sound quality of the Xperia Z maybe slightly less Don't let that one feature prevent you from buying this fantastic phone it truly is amazing. And that's my honest opinion of the device ;D i'll upload a video for you guys of the sound quality

as I said guys here is the video of the phone sound volume via the loud speaker. If you guys have any requests on how I should record the phone please let me know this was recorded by a galaxy tab 10.1. It's actually not that bad as I previously mentioned please enjoy if you want me to play any other song let me know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9V9UysM0hI&feature=youtu.be
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for a slight comparison lol here is what the same song sounds like on a m17x R4 I know it's an unfair comparison but it was all I had access too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYyEpovUoA4&feature=youtu.be

dblshotty said:
I've just received my phone from japan and the volume of the phone whilst playing youtube videos or music is appalling. It's hardly audible even at the highest setting. If you're wanting a phone with good speakers this is not the phone, you'll be highly disappointed. Other than the sound everything else on the phone is perfect. Great build quality etc. let me know if you want pictures or to know more about the phone id be happy to post
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Howdy, what is the in-call volume like with the earpeice? Loudspeaker is not a major issue for me, but in call volume must be good. My One X now is really quite bad in this regard.
Thanks
M.

mattman83 said:
Howdy, what is the in-call volume like with the earpeice? Loudspeaker is not a major issue for me, but in call volume must be good. My One X now is really quite bad in this regard.
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M.
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In call volumes are fantastic can't complain very loud and clear, had no issues with people not being able to hear me. if you know of any way I can test I wouldn't mind making a video for you ;] but trust me when I say it's good even when taking public transport people on the other end of the call could still hear me very clear without issues. I highly recommend this phone much better than the lg optimus g or galaxy s3 I previously owned. I aint just saying it because I own the sony xperia z haha just my honest opinion.

That's great news thanks no idea how you would do a video lol but if you say it's good then I'm happy.
M.
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thanks for sharing the video

How loud is the ring tone? - Can it be herad when its in your pocket?

tallguy_uk_98 said:
How loud is the ring tone? - Can it be herad when its in your pocket?
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Easily. It's a little less loud than most other phones but it's still loud. It's not exactly inaudible.

I can say the sound quality with ClearAudio+ is nice but it there is not the best. I have my Note 2 optimized with Neak Kernel and his tweaks (Wolfson) are great.. The equalizer from XZ but the hammer looks great and can be adjusted some. Moreover, the unit is still fresh with the time kernel and various mods and custom roms come naturally (I also gets to cook too for XZ)

I don't want to crash the party but the speaker is just lame, it's positioned at the right side bottom of the phone which means that when you hold the phone you will cover the speaker (left hand with your fingers, holding it with right hand isn't an option because the speaker is in the palm of your hand) The speaker is tiny and totally not loud, and when watching a video you can hear the sound come out of the right corner instead from the phone, it's very directional, i am very disappointed about this.
Also sound through headphones is not as good as i would have liked and certainly not as full sounding as with S3.

GiGi. said:
Also sound through headphones is not as good as i would have liked and certainly not as full sounding as with S3.
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I agree, it's not the best. But seriously mate, S3 has terrible sound...bad comparison.

Question on phone arena review

So there is a new review by phonearena:
phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4-Review_id3812/page/3
In the text they indicate that the speakerphone is very weak not very loud; but in the DB test they show it has the highest DB (loudness). What am I missing ?

Nothing. Makes no sense. I noticed that myself. The units I've played with have been very loud, but the quality of the speaker isn't very good.

jake21 said:
So there is a new review by phonearena:
phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4-Review_id3812/page/3
In the text they indicate that the speakerphone is very weak not very loud; but in the DB test they show it has the highest DB (loudness). What am I missing ?
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Could it be that because the placement of the speaker is in the rear, it doesn't actually project sound very strongly, in comparison to the DB it's putting out?

^ what EP2008 said.
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I have the international exynos version and the speaker is very loud. I was impressed how good it sounds.

Wait, so when talking on the phone the rear speaker is used? Wouldn't that cause everyone around to hear what the other person is speaking? I thought phones have separate front speaker for phone calls...

Magnesus said:
Wait, so when talking on the phone the rear speaker is used? Wouldn't that cause everyone around to hear what the other person is speaking? I thought phones have separate front speaker for phone calls...
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If you mean without loudspeaker then the speaker on the front of the phone is used otherwise would be the rear speaker if on loudspeaker.
Also I totally disagree with PAs comments on the loud speaker
I was in the samsung store on monday in oxford street and they had two note 4s alongside 2 note 3s. I played the same song on both phones back to back and at the same time the note 4 is clearly louder and the speaker sounds better dispite the rear placement.
I am not one that listens to music through the phones speaker so whether it sounds tinny or punchy I couldn't care less as long as the phone it loud enough for me to hear it ring!!
isn't that supposed to be number 1 point of the speaker to be loud enough to hear the phone ring? after that you can then talk about being bassy and blah blah.

Makes no sense, look at GSM Arena review: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-review-1147p7.php they were surprised as well, Excellent Audio Quality.
I'll see in a couple of weeks when can get my hands on mine.

Speakerphone (loudness, clarity)

Proper etiquette aside (hint: don't use speakerphone while doing your "business" in a public bathroom), rate this thread to express how you think the LG V20's speakerphone performs. A higher rating indicates that you love it: it's loud and it's clear.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

So far for me I find it to be OK. Coming from having Samsung Note phones, I find it to be a big improvement. It could still use work IMHO, but I find it to be much louder and just as clear than any of the past Note series speakers.

I would say that listening to music coming from the speaker, is better than average. Its no Axon 7 or HTC 10 but your average consumer will be satisfied with the volume and clarity imo.

Can you compare it to LG G5 speaker?

I am completely deaf in one ear and partially in the other ( thank you drunk driver head on hit and run ) and I love the speaker quality. I have actually had to turn down the notification volume cause it is to loud for me. So far I really like this phone and I was a Note 1, 2, 3 and 4 user. My favorite part is when it goes to "sleep" and I am going to use it I pick it up and it reads my fingerprint and TADA it is ready. I am very grateful for the second screen. Overall I am extremely pleased with this one.

The loudness and clarity is not a Gimmick, at least for mine . I usually hear music on Pandora and Spotify, and believe me, as someone who hear music daily on spotify and pandora, im experiencing something very different than other devices i have owned.

This is great to hear as I wear hearing aids and the speakers on the Note 7 and S7 Edge sucked for speaker calls....

is it better than a iphone 5s? XD like ^ mention note 7 kinda suck when i was testing music through it

Let me know
jfenton57 said:
This is great to hear as I wear hearing aids and the speakers on the Note 7 and S7 Edge sucked for speaker calls....
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I want to hear ( duh , no pun intended ) your thoughts once you get it also. Granted I keep it relatively close to me but I am pleased with the sound so far.

Bulldog44 said:
I want to hear ( duh , no pun intended ) your thoughts once you get it also. Granted I keep it relatively close to me but I am pleased with the sound so far.
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I am on Sprint so it looks like I won't have it till the end of the week but I will certainly check back in and let you know.

I was inside a AT&T store playing with the phone and was listening to Youtube. The store was packed and I could hear the speaker very clearly. It wasnt bad at all for one speaker.

Can anyone compare the speaker quality to V10? (I have V10 and sound from the build in speaker is a nightmare! Simply worse than from the worst cheap crap)

Bulldog44 said:
I want to hear ( duh , no pun intended ) your thoughts once you get it also. Granted I keep it relatively close to me but I am pleased with the sound so far.
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So, I have had the phone for a day now and I will say that the bottom speaker for calls, You Tube, etc for my ears ( I wear BTE hearing aids) is the best I have ever experienced in a phone and totally blows away my experience with previous Samsung notes.
The earpiece speaker is also the best I have experienced for my particular hearing loss, especially when set to the setting that gives clear sounding voices during calls.
This is exactly what I hope for every time I get a new phone and I seem to have finally found it.

For some reason I thought the V20 will come with dolby atmos or some audio enhancement software by B&O Play. I have seen the Korean version with the B&O logo on the back of the V20.
So I am guessing that the US models don't have any added audio enhancements. Correct?
My V10 audio gets a powerful boost when dolby atmos switches on. The volume level will be around 15% and its pretty loud.
On my V20, the volume has to be increase up to 50 -60% for comfortable "loudness".
Let's hope soon there will be some sort of root for the V20, so I can install the dolby atmos zip file.

joseguillen1994 said:
The loudness and clarity is not a Gimmick, at least for mine . I usually hear music on Pandora and Spotify, and believe me, as someone who hear music daily on spotify and pandora, im experiencing something very different than other devices i have owned.
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I can agree with you on that. I have had the note 7 , moto x pure and Bluetooth is unnaturally clearer in my cars sound system. Have not tried it with head phones yet but I can only image the improvement.

royale192 said:
I can agree with you on that. I have had the note 7 , moto x pure and Bluetooth is unnaturally clearer in my cars sound system. Have not tried it with head phones yet but I can only image the improvement.
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When i pair my V20 to the Fm transmitter on the car, it sounds higher than the when i connect other smartphones. Also, for some reason, i can hear things in the song i didn't even know where there. I'm not joking. It is like it amplifies the gain on the background as well making you hear what you are missing from the song. But my bluetooth wont take the hi-fi though. Maybe is because it is not one of the new types of Fm transmitters

Still - is there any former owner of V10? Can anyone compare the speaker quality to V20?

NowKris said:
Still - is there any former owner of V10? Can anyone compare the speaker quality to V20?
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I can tell you from having the V10 to v20 the speaker is lot better, and its way better than than the S7 edge and the Note 7 I had, louder and crisper.:good:

jfenton57 said:
So, I have had the phone for a day now and I will say that the bottom speaker for calls, You Tube, etc for my ears ( I wear BTE hearing aids) is the best I have ever experienced in a phone and totally blows away my experience with previous Samsung notes.
The earpiece speaker is also the best I have experienced for my particular hearing loss, especially when set to the setting that gives clear sounding voices during calls.
This is exactly what I hope for every time I get a new phone and I seem to have finally found it.
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:good: Good for you sir.

I posted about this in the V20 Q&A section, but this is the same topic so I thought I'd drop my two cents in here. The speaker on my LG G5 blows my V20's speaker out of the water and it's kind of disappointing because I love everything else about the phone over the G5 (both phones are the T-Mobile variants btw). Watching videos is fine on the V20, but music is a no-go. I could fill the room with surprisingly clear and deep sound with my G5, but the V20's speaker when it comes to music playback sounds like it's being filtered through a dense mesh

Speakerphone (loudness, clarity)

Proper etiquette aside (hint: don't use speakerphone while doing your "business" in a public bathroom), rate this thread to express how you think the HTC U11's speakerphone performs. A higher rating indicates that you love it: it's loud and it's clear.
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The speakerphone is total garbage its absolutely awful if you ask me!

Pneuma1985 said:
The speakerphone is total garbage its absolutely awful if you ask me!
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Not really bad
It is way better than my old s8 plus speaker
But axon 7 spssker is way better

rowihel2012 said:
Not really bad
It is way better than my old s8 plus speaker
But axon 7 spssker is way better
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Yeah I guess im just used to my htc10 speaker with a sound mod... Much louder!

Not sure what you are talking about, there might exist phones where it's even better, but I actually find it extremely loud and clear! Way better than how I remember the M8 to be when it was new (my speakers somehow degraded over time). And, more importantly, people on the other side hear me very well too, with the M8 they were complaining the whole time when I was using the speakerphone.

Black Antitoon said:
Not sure what you are talking about, there might exist phones where it's even better, but I actually find it extremely loud and clear! Way better than how I remember the M8 to be when it was new (my speakers somehow degraded over time). And, more importantly, people on the other side hear me very well too, with the M8 they were complaining the whole time when I was using the speakerphone.
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Yeah I still see people brag about how much better the M8 speakers were but I have mine still side by side and the M8 speakers are very low.

Black Antitoon said:
Not sure what you are talking about, there might exist phones where it's even better, but I actually find it extremely loud and clear! Way better than how I remember the M8 to be when it was new (my speakers somehow degraded over time). And, more importantly, people on the other side hear me very well too, with the M8 they were complaining the whole time when I was using the speakerphone.
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Well the 10 with a mod I could hear over my exhaust for my type-s RSX now I can not hear anything unless I literally hold it up to my head.... So to me that says alot! Just booted my m8 and it also has moded audio and it isnt that much louder to be honest.

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Well the 10 with a mod I could hear over my exhaust for my type-s RSX now I can not hear anything unless I literally hold it up to my head.... So to me that says alot! Just booted my m8 and it also has moded audio and it isnt that much louder to be honest.
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There is a sound mod in viper rom. It made the u11 speakerphone louder for me from what I could tell.

Previously I had Axon 7 and its speakers were much better than those in u11.

thirtyseconds said:
Previously I had Axon 7 and its speakers were much better than those in u11.
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Exactly axon 7 speaker is amazing with lenovo dolby app

Amazing when playing music or watching video, but on a call the sound only comes from the bottom speaker.

ibolito said:
Amazing when playing music or watching video, but on a call the sound only comes from the bottom speaker.
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I also noticed that bug - sometimes during the call sound goes to the bottom speaker and I cant hear anything unless I rotate the phone

Pneuma1985 said:
Yeah I guess im just used to my htc10 speaker with a sound mod... Much louder!
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Which mode is that, coz my HTC 10 loud speaker wasn't as loud as my HTC One m9

Today I took a shower and during that shower I realized I feel like listening to some music. so use the magic words and I spoke to my phone I said to him ok Google Play Coldplay music in Spotify.
Then the volume was too low, so I spoke to magic words again and ask my phone to increase the volume it worked out just fine.
Awesome!!!
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Black Antitoon said:
Not sure what you are talking about, there might exist phones where it's even better, but I actually find it extremely loud and clear! Way better than how I remember the M8 to be when it was new (my speakers somehow degraded over time). And, more importantly, people on the other side hear me very well too, with the M8 they were complaining the whole time when I was using the speakerphone.
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Your speakers may or may have not degraded.
The speakers from my M9 were very quiet at some point and the sound sounded like it was cracking.
The problem was that dust got in the grille.
So i just took a toothbrush (dont forget to dry it before using it) and took out the dust.
You have to swipe towards the screen to get the dust out.
One of those small brushes used to clean hair trimmers is good too.
I first saw it here and it actually worked:
https://youtu.be/-NngAUWHHyo

I'm very happy with the speaker. I compare it to my older S6 and my temp OnePlus 5 and the sound coming from the U11 is much richer and warmer. It might not be as loud as the OP5 but the definition is much better where the OP5 sounds louder but very thin and high pitched.

Can someone tell me about the quality of ear piece ? Is it loud enough for hearing the caller from other side in noisy environment ?

Well the quality is amazing but the volume is extremely low unless you crank it to 100...but if you combine it with Viper4Android just use the "eXtra Loud" option set to extreme and Max Gain 4x and max output to 0dB... then half volume is now loud and the quality is still there

Coming from the iPhone 8 the volume is very low and distinct lack of bass.
Quite disappointed to the point I thought my unit was defective.

Hi,
for me,my M8 sounds better then my new U11.