Anyone else thinking JUMP to LG v10 - Galaxy Note5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

...I'm kinda fed up with this note. I wish I stuck with nexus only phones but...this lg seems beastly, any opinions...or wait for 6.0 update first?
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If you wanna say abt cm roms etc yeah exynos might not have it. Hopefully miracles do happen hahaha. Was 50-50 about buying note 5 oh wells bought it and gonna stuck with it for a year or two.

What's bothering you about the note? I've had every model of note and decided to upgrade from the 4 to the lg v10. I had it for one day and returned it for the note 5. I could not get used to it, battery life SUCKED, top 2nd screen has major light bleed, super dim to where you can't even read it. I just didn't think it was built as nice as the note. I ended up getting a 64gb so this should work for me.

I had G4 and got note 5, i want to say in all honesty, the note 5 WRECKS the G4, that means that v10 will suffer same fate. it's new and shiny, don't get fooled by it.

n0ve said:
...I'm kinda fed up with this note. I wish I stuck with nexus only phones but...this lg seems beastly, any opinions...or wait for 6.0 update first?
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I jumped from the note 5 to the v10 because the note 5 is total crap. I have been very patient with Samsung and they just keep messing up. Get the v10 and you'll be happy.
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i m really leaned towards v10 looks beautiful but i m really enjoying note 5 at them moment dont like LG skin its ****.

Why anyone would want an IPS screen is beyond imagination. Its so dim and crappy compared to AMOLED.

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T Mobile LG Flex in da house

Just got it here are couple of pics...
Looks fabulous! I just ordered mine on AT&T today and it should be here this weekend.
First impressions? I'm seriously thinking about going and getting it tomorrow. What do you think? What phone are you coming from?
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First impressions? I'm seriously thinking about going and getting it tomorrow. What do you think? What phone are you coming from?
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Depends on what phone you have now. I have both the T-Mo one and the T-Mo note 3. The bigger screen is nice on the G-Flex, but the screen on the Note 3 looks better to my eye. I do like the curved screen which is one reason I am willing to give the G-Flex a try. However the S-Pen is really nice on the Note 3. Only you can decide what you want. Go into a store and try out the GFlex and see what you think.
Ok so here are my first impressions, first thing i am coming from a Note 3 and like Prod said i notice the lower screen quality right away. From the wallpaper to the hideous LG icons does are the first to things i disliked right away. I was spoiled with the Note 3 1080p so i can really tell the difference kind of disappointed on flex screen. I played a 1080p Movie and it was ok not as bad as the icons, wallpaper and pictures on websites. On the other hand i like the phone itself the curve, buttons, size and feel pretty much everything so far. Phone feels snappier than Note 3 also. If only the screen was a 1080p this would be a really good phone. I have just played with it briefly so this are my initial thoughts. PS if you guys are debating on this or the Note 3 and if its going to be your long term phone go with Note 3, Like i said in other treads i change phones every 3 months or so and ill probably just have the flex for 2 months. One more pic Flex and Note 3.
I'm coming from note 2 and my plan was to get this phone, get the 6 months of Netflix, use it for 6 or 7 months and then use jump! To get the note 4,which should absolutely be a freaking beast.
Either that or get the s5 but I don't want the s5 then jump to the note 4. Besides I absolutely LOVE the way that the flex looks.
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I'm coming from note 2 and my plan was to get this phone, get the 6 months of Netflix, use it for 6 or 7 months and then use jump! To get the note 4,which should absolutely be a freaking beast.
Either that or get the s5 but I don't want the s5 then jump to the note 4. Besides I absolutely LOVE the way that the flex looks.
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Yea one thing the flex does have is looks for sure and the curve, if coming from note 2 it shouldn't be that bad of a transition. I have been looking at some more 1080p movies on it and its good not as bad and there's something about the curve that give the movies a different feel I wasn't a believer on this but its true.
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Ok so here are my first impressions, first thing i am coming from a Note 3 and like Prod said i notice the lower screen quality right away. From the wallpaper to the hideous LG icons does are the first to things i disliked right away. I was spoiled with the Note 3 1080p so i can really tell the difference kind of disappointed on flex screen. I played a 1080p Movie and it was ok not as bad as the icons, wallpaper and pictures on websites. On the other hand i like the phone itself the curve, buttons, size and feel pretty much everything so far. Phone feels snappier than Note 3 also. If only the screen was a 1080p this would be a really good phone. I have just played with it briefly so this are my initial thoughts. PS if you guys are debating on this or the Note 3 and if its going to be your long term phone go with Note 3, Like i said in other treads i change phones every 3 months or so and ill probably just have the flex for 2 months. One more pic Flex and Note 3.
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Saw it today at att store today, At person greeting at the entrance said the phone was not in yet, lol. but it was, I noticed on the way out as I was checking out the Mega and Note 3. The phone holds great in the hand and the curve looks great. After reading review here about the screen that's the first thing I looked for and noticed it a little. The Icon in the phone look as if stretched a bit. Then in youtube saw a HD 1080 vedio and was not impressed. Apart from that I would be very happy with this phone.
The phone seemed to fit in my front pocket no problem. I just started wearing glasses last year and sometimes I forget and my eyes start to hurt from reading on the phone. since you have both N3 and G Flex does reading a book look better (or even noticeable) on the Note 3 vs g Flex? I would imagine it would look sharper on the N3. thus causing less eye strain for me.
Have you tried installing Nova launcher to see if it gives you a crisper icons.
Enjoy you G Flex and thanks in advance.
Congrats on the new phone. I'm a phone whore like you. I took a look at the Flex today at a AT&T store since T-Mobile didn't have it yet and a snow storm is coming now. lol I liked it but coming from the G2 I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it some more.
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Yea one thing the flex does have is looks for sure and the curve, if coming from note 2 it shouldn't be that bad of a transition. I have been looking at some more 1080p movies on it and its good not as bad and there's something about the curve that give the movies a different feel I wasn't a believer on this but its true.
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Reading books and webpages would definitely be way better on Note 3. Thats the main disadvantage of the flex however on videos its not that bad. Again if ur looking for a long term phone i would suggest Note 3.
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Congrats on the new phone. I'm a phone whore like you. I took a look at the Flex today at a AT&T store since T-Mobile didn't have it yet and a snow storm is coming now. lol I liked it but coming from the G2 I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it some more.
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Ok if ur coming from G2 i would figure the change would not be so bad since its the same hardware and u are getting way more screen only thing would be the great screen quality on G2. In my situation. I gave up storage, 1080p and just gained a bit of screen, 3gb of ram, usb 3.0 and stylus (even though i never used it).
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Ok if ur coming from G2 i would figure the change would not be so bad since its the same hardware and u are getting way more screen only thing would be the great screen quality on G2. In my situation. I gave up storage, 1080p and just gained a bit of screen, 3gb of ram, usb 3.0 and stylus (even though i never used it).
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I like the Flex design and battery life but other then that it's just a stretched out G2. I'm just thinking after the newness wears off I might regret leaving the G2. I had the Note 2 and S4 before. I went to the G2 because it was different.
*flex*
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Does the T-mobile version have a locked bootloader?
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Not sure whats the code to check?
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Well I was thinking of getting the flex coming from a note 2 but so much reviews on it not being 1080p has me worried but I figured well it couldn't be that bad coming from a note 2 so I might give it a try until the note 4 comes out.
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Well I was thinking of getting the flex coming from a note 2 but so much reviews on it not being 1080p has me worried but I figured well it couldn't be that bad coming from a note 2 so I might give it a try until the note 4 comes out.
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Two words to keep me from Samsung: TouchWiz, Knox
I currently have and S4 I can't wait to get rid of. I got a G2 then TMO announced the Flex release. I returned the G2 because I didn't want to spend a JUMP. I'll be stopping by a store to see if they have it in stock. With better things coming, I think this is a good move to get flex now and see how the new (non Samsung) devices shake out in the next few months (G Pro among others).
Man I can't wait for mine to come in Friday...then its time to start working on root and building aospa!!!
Reason i changed to was that i have been using samsung for a while and wanted a change. I was initially going to change when g2 came out but non sd made me go to N3, but i figured i was not using much memory so went to flex for something new.
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First battery cycle with heavy use trying to kill battery. 27 hrs
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Thinking of getting a note 4

Do you guys think it's a good switch? Coming from an s5, rooted custom as always. Will I be happy?
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Do you guys think it's a good switch? Coming from an s5, rooted custom as always. Will I be happy?
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Had S4 for a while, was happy, but wanted bigger screen. Read some reviews and comparisons, watched some YouTube clips. Max Lee got his opinion on YouTube, should know him if you've been custom for a while.
S4 is older so there are a lot more custom ROMs, N4 is getting there.
Had it for about 2 months, I like it better than S4.
She always asks if I'm happy to see her or my note 4 is in my pocket
BTW when I first removed the battery cover, on the back side of it, it says, "You will be happy"! Good luck:good:
Good switch...but will you be happy...we can't decide or make such judgement for you.
You'll be happy for a few months, that is until the note 5 comes out. If I was you I'd wait it out a few more months and pick up a note 5 instead.
I'd be afraid if I wait for the 5 that they are gonna do what they did to the s6
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I'd also say wait. Then you'd have options, 5 or 4. And if it be still N4, then might find a better deal on it, stores or public getting rid of their obsolete N4
if note 5 becomes the s6...the note 4 will be on deals
Not sure about the galaxy 5 but I just came over from the M8 and I'm blown away by it, very happy I made the switch!
Note 4 is good to go and will be the one i keep for a while, easy to root, lots of customizations out there, and from all i have read and heard, the note 5 will be like the S6, no sd card or removable battery...but you never know...regardless, this thing is a beast and will be a fast phone that will get updated for a while.
Note 4 is wack! Completely wack! Either that or me and the 2 other people I know that personally have the phone all got lemons! I for real can't stand all the bugs and weird crap that my note 4 has a does. I'm getting another phone this week that's just my personal opinion. My note 3 was 100 times better.
It's a good switch.
We have the most roms
I switched yesterday, already rooted the same night and twrp, no hiccups. I like it better so far
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I own a Note 4 and absolutely love it.. TouchWiz still sucks and STILL makes it lag though but once I flashed an AOSP ROM on it holy f*ck does it fly with ZERO hiccups and now I can make the speaker volume even louder using FauxSound. Couldn't be more happy.. Either get a Note 4 or just wait til October for Note 5. Personally I'd probably wait but like another user said they might not include removable battery/SD card in the Note 5 but hey, in that case if you really wanted those features and they dont include them just get the Note 4 in October anyway, up to you.. That's what I would do though :good:
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Note 4 is wack! Completely wack! Either that or me and the 2 other people I know that personally have the phone all got lemons! I for real can't stand all the bugs and weird crap that my note 4 has a does. I'm getting another phone this week that's just my personal opinion. My note 3 was 100 times better.
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Funny I haven't had a single problem with mine yet, what bugs do you speak of?
Ditto. How could note 3 possibly b better than N4?
Wait for the note 5 to come out then if you care about saving money get the note 4 if not get the note 5. If you want a big screen that gives more freedom then just get a nexus or lg g4, they are on stock and dont have useless features like the s pen.
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It's a good switch. We have the most devs.
IMO the Note 4 is the best device made to date. No other comes close. The S-Pen is the most powerful tool for any Smart Phone made. I've had every top of the line device, nothing even comes close. Just my opinion.
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Who's moving on to a nexus?

Just curious to see if anyone is making the jump now that the new nexus' have been released for pre-order. If so what was your main reason? Easy root? More development? Hardware? Software? And if not are you staying with Samsung after the lock down they put on there phones? I myself have owned several nexus phones before and they have always been great, my only issue is there is always some hardware spec I'm missing, usually the camera. Right now with this variation I feel the 5.7 inch screen is a little much for me and know ois for the camera on the nexus p and the nexus x is the right size but way to underwhelming as far as specs go.
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I would if I didn't have to pay anything to trade
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You could probably sell your edge and recoup most if not all of the cost of the nexus... that or find someone in a few months willing to trade straight up
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I preordered my nexus 5x. I went from a nexus 5 to this and have regretted it ever since. My main reason is the openess..there's a huge battery problem that could be fixed without having to wait on Samsung if there wasn't a bootlock.
Yeah man after having several nexus devices I switched to the lg g3 then this and I miss the development possible with the nexus. I don't know if anyone from the att forums ever pops in on a nexus development thread but it's a virtual playground of new roms, kernels, and useful mods. Don't get me wrong I'm appreciative of anyone putting in work on the att variants, it's just nowhere near the support a nexus gets! If they would just come out with a soild camera and the premium specs the 6p has, I would've preordered also
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I am cant wait to get it. I doubt im ever coming back to samsung =(
I'm getting swayed myself. My notifications, device wake don't work unless with CM locker and then it's still not consistent. Then there are the gremlins here and there but there are some that really bothers me.
Plus I'm tired of my Nexus friends getting the new upgrades all the time.
I know how you feel, especially considering if I had a nexus right now I would have the marshmallow update already. Unfortunately I'm still stuck on 5.0.2 because I don't wanna lose root! By the time we see marshmallow it'll be on the SGS7! I sweat if tmobile gets it together with a consistent lte signal Im done done done with AT&T
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Samsung makes very nice phones but i really want more flexibility. I have already ordered a Nexus 6P and i hope i am going to like it. I am only worried because it is bigger than my edge.
If its your first nexus you will love it, theres almost too much flexibility! Youll find yourself messing with everything lol. The only thing is you dont get the gimmicky stuff as much as you do with manufacturers like samsung and htc. Some people miss that. The size difference, thats another story and partially why I have held off until I can hold one and see in hand the difference. I had the LG G3 and that is about as big as I think I can comfortably go with a phone.
Last time i had a samsung was the note 2.. i hated that phone so much i traded it for a optimus g pro. loved that phone still have it today. i swore i wouldn't go back to samsung. then the s6 appeared. 64 bit cpu exynos was destroying the benchmarks. smaller more efficient cpu manufacturing, awesome screen, glass, metal. smaller more efficient battery and finally tw had less bloat.damn made me change my mind. i had to pre order....... i have hated this phone since month 3 of owning. i hate this samsung. cant wait to get rid of it. i gave my htc m8 for this crap. m8 never lagged like this pos and battery was better. and the phone seemed faster idk how or why. samsung made me hate samsung. so yeah im getting a nexus just can't decide which. waiting on the reviews. not making the same mistake of pre ordering
Yeah man I know, that's why I skipped the s5. I've owned the sgs2, Samsung galaxy nexus, Sgs3, and sgs4. I got in on the sgs4 while there was still a bootloader exploit, however once i saw they locked it down in a way where the later versions could only use safestrap I was like, no way will I ever come back to Sammy. Skipped the sgs5 and went with the LG G3 but was lured back by the specs on this phone!! Samsung always has the hardware I want in a phone, best cpu, great screen, good camera, couple cool little gimmicks to play with... but this allowing manufacturers to lock down bootloader and essentially kill the dev scene is really pissing me off. I have always bought my wife HTC phones when I upgrade because I can never decide between 2 phones, her m8 still running as smooth as day she got it, I didn't even unlock and rom it like I usually do. I just cannot find the perfect storm of cutting edge specs that I want and development to go with. Sucks!!!
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The reasons I like Samsung phones is their hardware. Great camera, screens, better memory configurations, and lately the design of the phone. If all that was put into the nexus then it'd be an easy decision. Unfortunately the nexus lacks that. Idk what my next phone is going to be after this debacle.
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Next New phone

Hey everyone.. What is the next new phone that everyone is planning on getting? I am just curious
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Nothing yet... I'm not ready to get rid of my N4 just yet, and nothing available/just announced is more appealing atm. If I was into small screens however, the LG G5 would be so hard to resist. The more that I've read about it in the last couple days, the more impressed I am. Not sure if you read much about it, but check out the last few pages of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/general/glad-note-4-samsung-screws-note-line-t3157384 where I was reading up on it, and posted a few times after coming across some details about the device that were just too killer to keep to myself!
I'll probably be looking at new phones around when the N6 comes out. I'm really hoping that LG puts out a bigger brother to the G5 by then though. The slot that the battery slides out of and the modular accessories that can be plugged into it is a legitimately innovative design... I'm super pleasantly surprised after last year when the industry was entirely stagnant and even regressed that things are turning around. I've been a Note user for a while, but the S7 hasn't done much for my N6 expectations. Sealed battery ard dropped IR blaster (G5 still has one :good: ) are pretty much enough to put me off. At least they waterproofed it (IMO it's an insult to customers to seal the battery and not do so), but we'll see when Note 6 time comes. In the mean time, I'll definitely be watching LG with interest
What are you thinking about upgrade options?
I was looking at new phones and nothing yet. was looking at lg v10.. no activity g5 to small. next samsung bringing back the sd card but no removable battery. sooooo my question is, I have a note 3 still do I get a new note 4 from amazon or a used one from swappa already rooted ? what do you think ? any comments ? thank you
LG G2 on the way. Anything but Samsung from now on. had a perfect S2, S4, and the Note 4 was great while it lasted but complete hardware failure just out of warranty.
I think im gonna jump on the S7 edge. I love my note 4. Best phone I ever had. Slightly smaller screen and no IR, and I do use it on occasion, but I dont see phones having it anymore.
When are the notes released? August if I remember right. The 4 gb ram and just something new is calling to me. Couple post up about the G5. I was reading up on it as well. If it was bigger it would be a tough choice. Love the ideas. Samsung should be stealing them by the….. S9 maybe!
If the rumors are true. My next phone will be the HP Elite X3 Windows Phone. It's a monster. Although I might not be able to get past the YouTube app not being available for Windows.
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I was looking at new phones and nothing yet. was looking at lg v10.. no activity g5 to small. next samsung bringing back the sd card but no removable battery. sooooo my question is, I have a note 3 still do I get a new note 4 from amazon or a used one from swappa already rooted ? what do you think ? any comments ? thank you
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I have the v10 and personally i dont like it, i liked the g5 alot more. Im going to be switching to the s7 edge
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I have the v10 and personally i dont like it, i liked the g4 alot more. Im going to be switching to the s7 edge. The way i see it is the the extra features beat out the fact that theres no removable battery. Plus the battery is 3600mah so it should last a good amout of time.
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I can upgrade if i want now. But going to wait until august to see what the N6 has in store for us. If its locked bootloader on att. I might go a different direction.
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Waiting for Note 6 to make decision.

V20 worth it?

Does anyone think that v20 is worth the trade? I'm 50/50 since both phones are almost identical. Any opinions of its worth it?
im in the same boat, v20 seems legit but man, after holding my note 7 I think I will have to keep it. Well exchange it for another note 7
I'm going to watch the forums here, two weeks after the V20 hits retail. Should be interesting.
Waiting is the key
Yeah I'm gonna wait as well. Once it comes out, which is the 26th of this month I believe, then I shall decide if it's worth keeping the note or not. I'm just glad the recall promotion runs all the way through the 30th so that's a relief
I had the V10 for 2 weeks and it scratched very easily, the V10 was great so I bet the V20 is even better. The better question is to have an S-Pen or to Not have an S-Pen?
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I had the V10 for 2 weeks and it scratched very easily, the V10 was great so I bet the V20 is even better. The better question is to have an S-Pen or to Not have an S-Pen?
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I haven't researched on an S-Pen alternative for touchscreen devices. Are there any out there, without such an "eraser head tip?" Love the precision of the S-Pen tip. Just wanted to know what is out on the market, if I were to get an LG V20, and wanted to use a stylus with a small tip like the S-Pen.
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I had the V10 for 2 weeks and it scratched very easily, the V10 was great so I bet the V20 is even better. The better question is to have an S-Pen or to Not have an S-Pen?
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I honestly almost never use the S-pen. I take it out occasionally but just to play around. I don't see it's value for me personally.
Yea, I ALWAYS use it for hours after first getting the phone but I never seem to stick with it. Honestly, I would really love to try out the LG v20. It looks surprisingly really really good. However, I'm sure i will get tired of it quicker than the Note7.
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Does anyone think that v20 is worth the trade? I'm 50/50 since both phones are almost identical. Any opinions of its worth it?
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I had the V10 for 2 weeks and it scratched very easily, the V10 was great so I bet the V20 is even better. The better question is to have an S-Pen or to Not have an S-Pen?
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The V20 is impressive and a worthy trade for the Note 7 IMO! You are getting everything minus the S-Pen but plus a removable battery! I'm not sure, but I think the bootloader is even unlocked. I'm not switching, but based on specs, it's a good trade!
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The V20 is impressive and a worthy trade for the Note 7 IMO! You are getting everything minus the S-Pen but plus a removable battery! I'm not sure, but I think the bootloader is even unlocked. I'm not switching, but based on specs, it's a good trade!
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dont count on the bootloader being unlocked. when the v10 first came out it was locked but quickly unlocked. the same thing happened with the g5. i had both on tmobile which in the past usually came with unlocked bootloaders. unlocked bootloaders are becoming a thing of the past on tmobile.
Going from the Note 4 to the V10 was a disappointment screen wise. I have a feeling going from the Note 7 to the V20 IPS will be the same for me.
Have fun with the bootloops !
The V20 is impressive, I'm watching the forum section, and will try hand's on when in the stores....
Any word on the price? If its less than $700 (lol yeah i doubt it) then maybe I'd consider it
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Going from the Note 4 to the V10 was a disappointment screen wise. I have a feeling going from the Note 7 to the V20 IPS will be the same for me.
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This. The screen on the V10 felt like a step backwards. Plus, it started having some burn in/ghosting a month or so before getting the Note7.
The camera and sound were great though. The fact it supported micro SD is what really made me get it over the Note 5. Build quality was good IMO, as I was able to rock the phone naked for almost a year and it still looks great. Just a few scuffs on the rubberized back.Chipset was slightly on the weak side for a flagship, but that's just being over critical.
All in all, I feel the V20 is a solid phone and a good step up from the V10. I doubt the screen will be as good as the Note7 however, and considering how much I look at it when using the phone (~90%), I feel it is something that can't be overlooked.
I am really considering the V20 as well. The Note 7 is nice but at the same time, I wouldn't mind moving to something else. I have always been a Note guy too, Note 3,4,5, and now 7. All the real world reports of the scratching make it feel like you have to really baby this phone. It sounds like the screen will be better than the V10 but I am sure it won't equal the Samsung displays either. As long as it is "Good" on its own I think it may be a good trade off for the superior sound quality. If it really is that much better like they claim.
From the android central podcast lg expects low sales of this device, if it comes in at $600 that would be a killer of a deal.
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Any word on the price? If its less than $700 (lol yeah i doubt it) then maybe I'd consider it
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all the sites i have seen have it at $699. i am really considering getting a V20 to replace my note. i am really not a fan of the edge screen on the note. i really don't use the s pen at all. i also like the fact the v20 has the removable battery. sound quality is supposed to be amazing. i honestly think my note 4 is almost as good as my note 7. might have to jump ship from samsung.
Been trying to get excited about the V20 for audio reasons but that's gotta be one of the ugliest phones out there right now.
I don't find the V20 too ugly. I just hope I'm not disappointed by camera and software. But, I'm currently experiencing bad battery life and major lagging on my Note 7. I'd just like to try something different. Who knows, I might like it or I might hate it, lol.

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