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I'm gonna get a new phone soon and im deciding between SP or Moto G. Rom development is very important to me aswell as a bit of hardware. I just want a phone who is ready for Android L. Is xperia SP ready for android L? Does it have many active developers?
I know, rom wise, Moto G has a upper hand but the problem is that Moto G doesnt have a sd card slot and 8 gb (Only 8) is not enough for me.
Which one should I pick
Thanks~
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You already mentioned that 8 GB isn't big enough for you, then why would you even consider the Moto G?
Furthermore, I'm sure the Xperia SP will be able to run Android L hardware-wise.
Question is, will there still be devs around to port Android L to Xperia SP?
I guess there will be some, but don't expect numerous ROMs to choose from.
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
ClarkOwen said:
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
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Hi ClarkOwen,
I've been a ROM Junkie like you once until i took an arrow to the knee but I've come to terms that its not always about the ROMs that make a device good. It will always come to the hardware specs that a device has to allow devs to decide whether to develop another android version. Personally for me it is always wise to get a phone with better hardware as it will most likely have more developers who are actively developing for the ROM. I rather you stick with the Xperia SP although the Moto G is also quite a good option.
ClarkOwen said:
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
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I'd obviously go for the better hardware, the xsp doesn't have too much roms but they are being updated frequently and we even got cm11 roms to work on locked bootloader with the stock kernel! also the only bug in these roms is that the rear mic doesn't work
OK. I have both phones as here is what I have to say.
Moto G looks better (personal opinion, I have both white and red back shells).
Moto G is way more durable. Like not even close. I can drop my Moto G and not ever care...
Both displays are good but moto G has more saturated colors, while Xperia SP has better accuracy and sometimes Moto G tends to overexpose the colors close to blue which is annoying cause white looks pinkish. I prefer Xperia SP with Bravia Engine 2.
Multitasking on both phone is the same, cause they are both stupidly fast. That said Xperia loads apps faster cause it has 1.7Ghz against 1.2Ghz on MotoG and most (99.9%) of the apps are not multi-thread optimized.
In games Xperia beasts the **** out of Moto G with it's Adreno320 vs Adreno305 on MotoG. In OpenGL 2 benchmark I get 35fps avarage with 40fps max, while MotoG gets 26fps avarage, with 31fps max.
AnTuTu shows the same. 25209 score for Xperia SP, 19781 for Moto G.
In terms of software Moto G rapes Xperia SP hard time. Everything just plain works on MotoG, while XperiaSP has some software bugs, most of them are fixed by now, but we still need a few more software updates from Sony for all of them to be fixed.
Moto G is getting Android L, while we're not even sure if we're getting KitKat. But on the other hand we have XDA so you will have Android L on both devices anyway. Maybe even with Bravia Engine 2.
Xperia SP has LTE and SD card slot, while MotoG's LTE version with the SD Card slot is more expensive.
Conclusion.
Durability - MotoG by far
Display - XperiaSP
Hardware/Games - XperiaSP by far
Software - MotoG (if you're not planing on putting custom ROM)
So, I bought my MotoG cause I'm a diehard Motorola fan and the phone was awesome, but it had only 8GB of storage (you can use only 5GB), so I decided to buy 2nd phone for media, etc. But since I got my XperiaSP (like 2 weeks ago) it became my main phone, I love it and I don't regret buying it a bit. I even plan to give my MotoG to my nephew when he starts school this year. That said they're both great devices and you will be more than happy with any of them, as long as you go with at less 16GB version.
Hope I helped!
Oh wow, thank you so much for answering, all of you.
It seems like hardware is still a priority and I almost forgot about it as I am so into ROMS.
Even so, Moto G for me is a big difference because I am coming from HTC One S with andreno 220 and 1.7ghz S3 processor (C2 version) but yes, the internal memory is still important.
Thanks to your responses, I will hold back from buying moto g for now and save some more cash to get the Xperia SP.
Thank you so much and God bless you for helping me )
ClarkOwen said:
Oh wow, thank you so much for answering, all of you.
It seems like hardware is still a priority and I almost forgot about it as I am so into ROMS.
Even so, Moto G for me is a big difference because I am coming from HTC One S with andreno 220 and 1.7ghz S3 processor (C2 version) but yes, the internal memory is still important.
Thanks to your responses, I will hold back from buying moto g for now and save some more cash to get the Xperia SP.
Thank you so much and God bless you for helping me )
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I'm not really sure where you live but Moto G 16GB is 199€ in my country, while I bought my XperiaSP for 159€. Maybe you wanna check Amazon and see what's the shipping cost to your country.
But yeah, I will wait and buy XperiaSP aswell, even if it's a little bit more expensive.
Now the thing is, would it be a great idea to move from HTC One S to Motorola G? Is it an upgrade or downgrade? Especially when it comes to camera and internal.
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Now the thing is, would it be a great idea to move from HTC One S to Motorola G? Is it an upgrade or downgrade? Especially when it comes to camera and internal.
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Here is the camera test from the 3 phones.
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=4574&idPhone2=5364&idPhone3=5831
I'd say that in terms of camera the 3 phones are equal. They do the job but it's nothing special. I can't make a difference between a picture taken with my MotoG and XperiaSP if I don't check the Megapixels. Outside you get really good pictures, while inside they are average. And from what I can see the HTC One S is in the exact same boat.
In terms of specs I don't think that MotoG will be much faster than HTC OneS, cause HTC still has good processor, while when it comes to GPU HTC has lower resolution, so it has to push less pixels with it's Adreno 225 against 720p with Adreno 305. I expect them to have close fps in games and benchmarks.
If you want an honest advice, here is what I'm going to do if I were you. I will go check for how much I can sell my HTC, if it covers half the price of my XperiaSP I will sell it and buy XperiaSP, just because it has better hardware (display, CPU, GPU) and it looks better than HTC OneS. If not just stick with the HTC.
Oh and battery. Motorola's battery is OK, but it can't last more than two days no matter what cause I use my phone ALOT. While XperiaSP I can handle two days of heavy use no problem, and I've seen people with 7 days of battery in stamina mode. When I go to sleep and put my Xperia in stamina mode it drops like 2% for 8 hours, it's insane!
So yeah. Basically do the math for yourself. See if your pocket can handle it and if "yes" go buy XperiaSP. The phone won't get much cheaper cause it's last year "mid-range" phone (it has the same hardware as Moto X which is last year "flagship" device like wtf?) which is better than this year "mid-range" phones.
ClarkOwen said:
I'm a ROM junkie and I change ROMs once a week.
By the looks of the ROM development of SP, it doesn't look like it has a lot of 4.4 KitKat and that means it will be late to get Android L.
If you were in my place, Would you go for hardware and have less ROM support or would you rather have a phone with great ROM support but with minimum specs (Moto G)?
Thanks
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I change ROMs every day,and am using the SP with joy.Sony is pooping on us ATM when it comes to the 4.4 update(i think we will get it tho),
but there is a 90% Xperia z2 port based on cm11,cm11,pa and pac for locked bootloaders,which is awesome.
Nah, Moto G is too underpowered for me...I mean seriously Quad 1.2? My XSP runs 1.7 and my Z1C runs on 2.2Ghz :/
I recommend SP, Moto G is an entry-level phone, built out of cheap plastic unlike SP's Aluminum body, Simply put SP can withstand day to day usage more than the other ( I don't mean Drop tests here, please use your brains )
Wait for Moto G2. Better specs at almost similar price. Releasing on september 5th. It might also have a sd card slot.
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Revontheus said:
Nah, Moto G is too underpowered for me...I mean seriously Quad 1.2? My XSP runs 1.7 and my Z1C runs on 2.2Ghz :/
I recommend SP, Moto G is an entry-level phone, built out of cheap plastic unlike SP's Aluminum body, Simply put SP can withstand day to day usage more than the other ( I don't mean Drop tests here, please use your brains )
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Get your facts straight. Moto G runs on a Quad core processor while Xperia SP runs on a dual core processor. So Moto G isnt underpowered in any way, infact its much smoother and lag free compared to my xperia sp. I own both Moto G and Xperia SP and in my opinion, Moto G is a better deal. Although I would suggest OP to wait for the upcoming Moto G2.
Cortex A7 or A9 < XSP Krait 300
Like other phones based on Snapdragon 400,200
Revontheus said:
Nah, Moto G is too underpowered for me...I mean seriously Quad 1.2? My XSP runs 1.7 and my Z1C runs on 2.2Ghz :/
I recommend SP, Moto G is an entry-level phone, built out of cheap plastic unlike SP's Aluminum body, Simply put SP can withstand day to day usage more than the other ( I don't mean Drop tests here, please use your brains )
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Cortex A7 or A9 < XSP Krait 300
Like other phones based on Snapdragon 400,200
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Stop fanboying. I have both and yes, SP is a bit faster but you cant actually feel it. The difference is when you play games, SP is way better in games.
About the build quality, MotoG is miles ahead of XperiaSP, like not even close! It looks and feels durable and it actually is. It has water resistance and Gorilla Glass 3.
Just call facts with their names, or if you're not sure then don't tell lies.
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Stop fanboying. I have both and yes, SP is a bit faster but you cant actually feel it. The difference is when you play games, SP is way better in games.
About the build quality, MotoG is miles ahead of XperiaSP, like not even close! It looks and feels durable and it actually is. It has water resistance and Gorilla Glass 3.
Just call facts with their names, or if you're not sure then don't tell lies.
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I myself also own a moto G and I understand where youre coming from but we sometimes have to look at all the other factors that come into play to make a decision. Heres my list;
MotoG;
-Durable for a longer period of time with resistance to almost everything most phones are vulnerable to such as water
-Running a decent processor for day to day use
-Battery life is a tad more than xsp
-Supported by Google
-Rom development may still continue despite hardware of MotoG
-Camera is on par at some points in time with the xsp
-Okish storage
Xperia SP
-Not as much protection
-Feels strong
-Better hardware specs
-Gaming oriented
-Decent battery life
-May get Rom development in the future due to specs
-Expandable storage
Thats all I think abt the xsp and moto g so yeah
Furrydaus said:
I myself also own a moto G and I understand where youre coming from but we sometimes have to look at all the other factors that come into play to make a decision. Heres my list;
MotoG;
-Durable for a longer period of time with resistance to almost everything most phones are vulnerable to such as water
-Running a decent processor for day to day use
-Battery life is a tad more than xsp
-Supported by Google
-Rom development may still continue despite hardware of MotoG
-Camera is on par at some points in time with the xsp
-Okish storage
Xperia SP
-Not as much protection
-Feels strong
-Better hardware specs
-Gaming oriented
-Decent battery life
-May get Rom development in the future due to specs
-Expandable storage
Thats all I think abt the xsp and moto g so yeah
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You just said, what I said in my first two posts at page one..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54939790&postcount=6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54940368&postcount=10
Moto g por todo
Moto G of course.
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Why are you telling that Xperia SP has better display?
SP has an old TFT screen and in the meanwhile Moto G has better ISP screen.
I think, Moto G is more supported and also plays smooth every strong games.
Moto G is an awesome choice with 16GB version.
I have a Moto G anyway.
Hello,
I have the HTC One M8 and a MOTO X. I know the X provides the Nexus like experience, but the One seems to be faster and better constructed and generally faster. From what I can tell the screens are about equal thought the X is warmer. They both have 32 GB storage but the One has Micro SD. I did not have the original X but I am not blown away by the user expereince of the X, what am I not understanding about how great this phone is supposed to be?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
aaronc_98 said:
Hello,
I have the HTC One M8 and a MOTO X. I know the X provides the Nexus like experience, but the One seems to be faster and better constructed and generally faster. From what I can tell the screens are about equal thought the X is warmer. They both have 32 GB storage but the One has Micro SD. I did not have the original X but I am not blown away by the user expereince of the X, what am I not understanding about how great this phone is supposed to be?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
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I can't say about the new one yet. But I know by the old one. I left my nexus 5 for dead once I started using this phone made me go from a nexus 5 32gb to a 16gb motox I still won't switch back and I have one gig of storage left.
I haven't felt the new one yet. But this phone just feels right in your hand. But I've heard the m8 is sort of like that too.
Might sound stupid but the touch less control is something that becomes the way it should be. Would be weird to not have it but I see Google doing this eventually in all phones.
The one thing that I would really go crazy with is ..this phone wakes up when you pull it out a your pocket. I haven't touched the power button to wake in 8 months. I grab my wife's Iphone expecting to wake.
Really I think how apple amazes millions with some great features, design with low specs and great feel and usability of hardware and software is what the moto x has that maybe other androids do not. You just have to use it for a while and you will see. I hope th new one isn't to large for the feel factor or that will be negated and the software will not be worth it. It is the whole package combined that makes this phone great. Only the voice recognition is the best of any phone otherwise it does nothing the best but everything combined it is the best overall.....oh yeah in my op lol
the X is about just "refining" Android.
I also had a Nexus 5 and once I played with an X I bought one and put my Nexus 5 up for sale. I just got a new 2014 and software wise find it more refined. The only issue I have is that the 2013 was already so good and smooth the 2014 does not really add much, if anything, to it.
The X is for those that want Nexus experience, flagship specs, and great hands free controls. I get by with an 8GB device, if i could but 16 is as small as you can get. I feel that ANYONE that uses an SD card is just poor with data management. Odds are most of your music you load up you don't actually listen to regularly. if you are keeping FULL TV seasons on your phone to watch unless you are traveling thats pointless, you can just load a few eps to get through that day. Same with multiple movies with high bitrates.
I have all the apps I need, and I still have 10GB left. I have 3GB Data, that I pay $64/mo for and I NEVER go over it and I stream Google Music and Pandora in my car when driving to clients all the time. I also get company email and Gmail. I update apps over Mobile Data, and download Podcasts. My photos auto upload to g+. I tether my laptop on occasion. I can not see how anyone can go over 3GB unless you are also torrenting or doing a LOT of social media videos and photos. The closest I have come is 2.7GB in the last 18 months.
People say they need storage because they don't have Unlimited Data. You don't need unlimited data. You just need to not be stupid with your data. I know people that pay more than I do (by like $25-30) and don't get the same amount of data I do just because they refuse to show around carriers.
/rant
I agree with that too about storage. I've felt the M8 and it does feel very nice in my hands but I hate HTC Sense. It ruins the Android experience for me.
aaronc_98 said:
Hello,
I have the HTC One M8 and a MOTO X. I know the X provides the Nexus like experience, but the One seems to be faster and better constructed and generally faster. From what I can tell the screens are about equal thought the X is warmer. They both have 32 GB storage but the One has Micro SD. I did not have the original X but I am not blown away by the user expereince of the X, what am I not understanding about how great this phone is supposed to be?
Thoughts?
Thanks,
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how is the One M8 faster than the Moto X? both use the same chipset. i feel the Moto X is just as fast or faster than most of the skinned Android phones. for the screens, both are using different technologies. each will have their pitfalls
Moto X is mainly for those who want some added (useful) functionality on top of stock Android. if you like Sense, then stick with the One. if you want stock with some added things, Moto X. if you want just stock, then Nexus is the way to go. choices are good :good:
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how is the One M8 faster than the Moto X? both use the same chipset. i feel the Moto X is just as fast or faster than most of the skinned Android phones. for the screens, both are using different technologies. each will have their pitfalls
Moto X is mainly for those who want some added (useful) functionality on top of stock Android. if you like Sense, then stick with the One. if you want stock with some added things, Moto X. if you want just stock, then Nexus is the way to go. choices are good :good:
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I do like Sense- it has gotten so much better. I also love Nexus because of the all the development, so maybe I will give it a few more days to make a decision. I have the bootloader unlocked and root, so I know some good thing will be coming from the talented devs.
As someone who has owned both my opinions differ.
I find the Moto X 2014 much much faster and smoother than the M8. Even with the M8 running AOSP. ActiveDisplay is just awesome, its a little thing but it really is useful. The Moto X 2014 is easier to hold/use, and doesn't have a ridiculous power button located in a ridiculous spot. (My biggest dislike of the M8). While the M8 structure is beautiful and feels great, I didn't find it comfortable to hold/use. Sense 6 is beautiful but I didn't find it offered any actual value or features that I cared about or ever actually used.
Not that it takes much but the Moto X camera, while still lagging behind, is still far better than that crap 4up camera that HTC loves so much.
The Moto X does not really shine in any one way, it doesn't leap out in the crowd, its just a great phone to use.
Motorola seems to be the only Android manufacturer who actually cares about user experience. I downgraded from a Nexus 5 to the 2013 Moto X last year because it offered a much better experience. I upgraded to the 2014 Moto X this year and am not waiting for the Nexus. If you've never owned a Moto before you won't realize everything you are missing.
Moto X offers the following improvements for me:
-Active Display - HUGE plus if you've never used it
-Touchless Controls - I use this constantly in the car and at home when I'm working
-Moto Assist - great for when I am in meetings all day to silence my phone and auto reply
-Shake to activate camera - very underrated feature but if you're trying to take photos in a snap it's extremely handy
-Wave to wake phone to check notifications and silence calls - again underrated but works beautifully
-Bluetooth unlock when my 360 is connected so I don't have to type in my PIN
-Moto Migrate to keep all of my existing data seamlessly
-As close to stock as possible with these helpful additions
Also other considerations:
-Exceptional build quality - although M8 also has extremely good build quality
-Motorola is one of the only companies that actually pays attention to cell signal and reception and is superior, my Moto X 2013 hands down had better signal than my N5, 2014 is great for signal too, HTC Notoriously bad for signal
-Audio noise cancellation - the sound quality when recording and on a call is much better than other phones I have used. Moto X 2013 was FAR superior to N5 in this regard, I don't have a M8 to compare but consider it
-FAST upgrade time, we will be one of the first to get Android L - This is huge for me
I suppose a good answer will be when android L comes out, X should have it quick (of course lenovo taking over and Soni gone could change that) whereas HTC will probably be 6+ months behind because they have to retro fit the junkwear onto the new OS.
Who the hell wants skinned android L????! Not me!
Previous phone: Nexus 5
Current phone: Pure version Moto X on T-Mobile network
Comparison:
Con: touch sensitivity does not seem as good. Using swipe gestures in Nova Launcher I never had to repeat a swipe on the Nexus 5, but I occasionally do on the Moto X. I noticed there seems to be more of a lag when scrolling the screen on the Moto X. I set the phone to use ART instead of Dalvic and it seemed to help some, but the touch response still has a perceptible delay.
Pro: Voice command works well, even in noisy environments
Reception is improved
Speaker phone loudness and clarity is multiple times better. It is good and plenty loud.
IR sensors and software work great.
Screen is a little bigger, which I like.
Voice command to toggle silent mode is handy.
Battery life seems the same, or maybe slightly better.
UPDATE: I switched from Nova launcher to the Google Now Launcher, and the touch lag I mentioned in the Cons section above is no longer noticeable.
Con: I think the handoff from WiFi to cellular is not a smooth transition. The phone tries to hang on a weak WiFi signal to long before it switches to cellular, and I do have 'avoid poor connections' selected in the WiFi advanced options.
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Thanks for all the comments. I had not given the X a real chance so I did, and I do love the active display and voice commands- very unique, good expereince, but HOW could Moto put a 2,300mah battery in this? The battery was flat by 2:30 under moderate use. I guess we need a UV kernel and some good battery tweaks ASAP.
I do really like the screen too, the blacks are so black, and the colors pop, almost too much... And it does just feel good in your hand.
I will give it a few more days to see how battery life occurs...
thanks,
I just picked up the new x an I also have the m8. I'm really liking the x so far never had anything besides HTC I still have my m8 tho.
Edit I been on mine all day now it has not got hot at all. Running real smooth
To comment on the battery life. Yes it's not AMAZING, probably my only complaint with the device, but it works as advertised. With fairly heavy use my first full day of charge, everything turned on, here was my usage pattern:
-Bluetooth, Wifi, and Location On
-Approx 11 hours connected to Wifi and about 8 hours using 4G
-Google Now On
-Brightness Auto
-Streaming music for approx. 1.5 hours
-GPS in use for approx. 20 min
-Screen on time just over 3 hours
-Total time until battery died almost 19 hours
That for me is much better than my original X. I have to charge the phone once a day anyway. That type of usage pattern is moderate to heavy and lasted from when I woke up to when I went to bed.
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To comment on the battery life. Yes it's not AMAZING, probably my only complaint with the device, but it works as advertised. With fairly heavy use my first full day of charge, everything turned on, here was my usage pattern:
-Bluetooth, Wifi, and Location On
-Approx 11 hours connected to Wifi and about 8 hours using 4G
-Google Now On
-Brightness Auto
-Streaming music for approx. 1.5 hours
-GPS in use for approx. 20 min
-Screen on time just over 3 hours
-Total time until battery died almost 19 hours
That for me is much better than my original X. I have to charge the phone once a day anyway. That type of usage pattern is moderate to heavy and lasted from when I woke up to when I went to bed.
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This is promising to me. I have been only htc flagship phones since day 1. On my m8 I can got 26 hours heavy use from full to dead. An I was worried bout battery on this phone but everything else I read made me jump ship an try the new moto. I'm really liking the phone since I picked one up yesterday...
I'd like to ask those who own the new Nexus 6 device:
1. Which features does the Nexus 6 have that other devices don't have?
For example, on the hardware part, I've noticed that it has front speakers and also double tapping to wake the device (while its screen is turned off), but are there any other goodies that I've probably missed from articles?
2. Which features do you miss from other devices?
I find it a bit disappointing that for a large screen, Google didn't add features that can take advantage of it (like the Note series) .
I'm just curious about your opinions, and also about what special features it got (other than long support, like other Nexus devices) .
Double Tap to Wake is not an existing feature.
For me the key selling points are the Moto X form factor, qHD display, 3GB of RAM and the size of the device paired with Android 5.0 and the 805 chipset.
Im sure Ambient Display will be a nice touch to the amoled screen and the new smart lock feature of lollipop for those with trusted bluetooth or nfc devices.
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IR Blaster. I used that all the time on my M7. Not a huge deal, just convenient.
Have no idea until we get the Nexus6 in our hands...
Donjuanal said:
Double Tap to Wake is not an existing feature.
For me the key selling points are the Moto X form factor, qHD display, 3GB of RAM and the size of the device paired with Android 5.0 and the 805 chipset.
Im sure Ambient Display will be a nice touch to the amoled screen and the new smart lock feature of lollipop for those with trusted bluetooth or nfc devices.
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Double tap isn't available?
I thought it's there, as this website says:
"Where supported by the hardware, your device will wake up as soon as you pick it up or tap the screen twice"
Odd. Maybe it's a hidden feature, or something that will be possible via root?
AndroidDeveloperLB said:
Double tap isn't available?
I thought it's there, as this website says:
"Where supported by the hardware, your device will wake up as soon as you pick it up or tap the screen twice"
Odd. Maybe it's a hidden feature, or something that will be possible via root?
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Its available for the Nexus 9 because its made by HTC. It was confirmed via google by the original review that Double Tap to Wake is not an implemented feature for this device. It was ambient display kicking in when it sensed the phone moving.
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for me:
disadvantages
1. 64gb maximum storage space. ok, i get it...no sdcard slot. then at least offer a 128gb option. because sticking in a 64gb sdcard to a device was already pretty standard ...a couple years ago. these days people are using 128gb cards. and this doesn't even count the phone's internal storage.
even apple has bumped up to 128gb. i get that 64gb is more than what was originally offered on nexus phones...but the nexus6 also costs a heck of a lot more to the end-user.
2. questionable availability of wired hdmi mirroring. lots of speculation on this...but if it doesn't have it...
i can accept the lack of other device-specific features...like active stylus, ir blaster, heartrate monitor, various camera functions...but something as basic as large storage capacity and wired hdmi mirroring (possibly) should be in line with a "vanilla" flagship phone.
Advantages:
*Optimized software. A big plus if coming from a Samsung galaxy device. Like a HUGE plus.
*Fast updates
*Completely unlocked (bootloader included) if buying form GP. I can't think of a reason why anyone would buy from their carrier?
*Motorola signal quality. Their devices always have the best signal reception.
Disadvantages:
*Lack of Super AMOLED? I don't know, maybe this is just a gripe?
*No SD card slot. Yeah this sucks.
con_ritmo said:
for me:
disadvantages
1. 64gb maximum storage space. ok, i get it...no sdcard slot. then at least offer a 128gb option. because sticking in a 64gb sdcard to a device was already pretty standard ...a couple years ago. these days people are using 128gb cards. and this doesn't even count the phone's internal storage.
even apple has bumped up to 128gb. i get that 64gb is more than what was originally offered on nexus phones...but the nexus6 also costs a heck of a lot more to the end-user.
2. questionable availability of wired hdmi mirroring. lots of speculation on this...but if it doesn't have it...
i can accept the lack of other device-specific features...like active stylus, ir blaster, heartrate monitor, various camera functions...but something as basic as large storage capacity and wired hdmi mirroring (possibly) should be in line with a "vanilla" flagship phone.
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for #2... with the Nexus 4 and 5 supporting SlimPort HDMI output.... i'd find it very odd if the Nexus 6 didn't. GSMArena also shows it supporting it.
As for #1.... not everyone finds that to be a disadvantage. The only people i can see using 128GB of storage, be it built-in or expanded, are those who either love to have a library of music on their phone at all times, or those who horde EVERYTHING (Apps, pictures, etc...) on their phone. For me, i would have liked to have been able to order the 64GB model... but seeing as i've been getting along just fine with my 16GB Nexus 5 for the past year.... 32GB isn't a bad idea either, and wasn't going to pass up on the opportunity of ordering one simply because of storage space. And if i NEED storage.... well.... that's what a 64GB USB-OTG flash drive is for.
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Advantages:
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*Completely unlocked (bootloader included) if buying form GP. I can't think of a reason why anyone would buy from their carrier?
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I thought all the versions (Play & T-Mobile) of the Nexus 5 were unlocked?
Way too many advantages so I won't list any, lol.
As for disadvantages:
No SD slot (but that was expected...),
No Super AMOLED (also expected as Samsung wouldn't hurt their own sales-Note4),
No IR (I have smart TVs, my Note 3 is able to control them over both IR and WiFi since they are Samsung TV also)
No cool accessories at all! All those (SLIM) wallet cases and digital ink cases for Samsung and HTC devices, plus things like Gear VR
No physical camera button... I mean... with a phone that size... I'm pretty sure they had enough space for a camera shutter button...
Not completely waterproof certified, it annoys me because it seems like all they had to do was block the open ports (Charger and headphone)!!
I know that seems like a lot of disadvantages but I was just thinking of The Perfect Phone...which will never exist, lol. All in all, I am very excited to get my hands on the Nexus 6
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IR Blaster. I used that all the time on my M7. Not a huge deal, just convenient.
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Yup what he said^ That is my biggest want in the N6 that it does not have.
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I thought all the versions (Play & T-Mobile) of the Nexus 5 were unlocked?
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I hope they are. I was also referring to sim locked, which we know AT&T will do.
I have a harmony hub setup. No need for IR
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Advantages:
*Optimized software. A big plus if coming from a Samsung galaxy device. Like a HUGE plus.
*Fast updates
*Completely unlocked (bootloader included) if buying form GP. I can't think of a reason why anyone would buy from their carrier?
*Motorola signal quality. Their devices always have the best signal reception.
Disadvantages:
*Lack of Super AMOLED? I don't know, maybe this is just a gripe?
*No SD card slot. Yeah this sucks.
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Afaik super amoled is just a marketing term from samsung and it does not make a difference...
Summarising my thoughts on the device in comparison to other flagships:
Pros
- Android 5.0 & guaranteed timely future updates
- Large 6" screen in a decent slim bezel form factor
- Always on voice commands
- Dual front facing stereo speakers
- Build quality
- Great developer support
Cons/could have done better
- Mediocre-average battery life (especially for a phablet)
- High res screen comes at the cost of battery life, brightness and colour accuracy without tangible benefits over 1080P for most people
- Average middling camera
- No Snapdragon 810 = less future proofing and no 64bit android. Misses out on the 20nm processing which promises 40-50% better battery life with 50% better performance. S805 is old tech – last of the 28nm series which has been around since 2013. Heck with the availability issues anyway I'd much rather it launch in Jan-Feb and get S810.
- No SD storage
- Price – Google sold out to the US carriers which needed premium pricing to get it on their subsidised plans. Screws the rest of the world over though.
- Availability
- Nano sim – hardly the standard in the android world. Makes it hard to change between/from other devices/tablets
- Lack of Phablet customisations in the UI with no 3rd party alternatives currently through xposed.
Overall I'm pretty disappointed as it could have been so much more from both a HW and SW point of view. Definitely not a day 1 purchase for me, maybe in the future if the XZU 4 doesn't materialise/disappoints and we see more of a price drop.
Starting to lean towards waiting for maybe a Sony Xperia Z4/Z4 Ultra & other S810 device's announcemenst at CES 2015...
Don't have the phone yet, but for me,
Advantages: QHD screen, 3GB RAM, pure stock Android, Wireless Charging, Very easy to root
Disadvantages: 6" Screen. Just a little bit too much for me. The sweet spot for me is 5.2"-5.5". (But I'm sure I'll get used to it), front camera is still 2MP, and battery is 3220 mAh, but people are saying it only has around 5 hours of on screen time.
Advantages:
- Stock OS
- 3GB RAM
- Snapdragon 805
- 5.95inch screen
- No physical home buttons
Disadvantages:
- Relatively average battery (should've been 3500-3900mh ideally; it would've fit)
- Screen is ok, but nothing special (not as bright or vivid as iPhone 6+ or Note 4)
- Too thick (10.1mm at the thicket point), should've been thinner (7 to 8mm would be great)
- Cameras are average, an improvement from last year but nothing to write home about.
- Not 64-bit despite all the work that went into making the OS 64-bit ready (understable though due to processor releases).
- The fact that the Nexus 6 will not hold its ground as well as the Nexus 5 (which is still a good phone a year after release; the Nexus 6 will not likely be able to maintain the same longevity as the Galaxy S6 is out soon expected Snapdragon 810, 3-4GB RAM, even better display and cameras + bigger battery).
I don't yet have the device, but my initial thoughts mirror many on here. But I'd like to add two more disadvantages - no removable battery (surely this was expected, though). As a current G3 owner, having a spare battery with me when I know I'll be using my phone a lot while away from a charger is great. Also, current availability MUST be listed as a disadvantage. I'm ready to buy the 64GB model right now and the longer I have to wait the better the chance is I'll move on and wait for something else.
I am exploring options for my next phone. What will be your future pick?
I was looking forward to a new sony device, but I am not blown away with the xperia x. But I guess it is still top of my list.
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I am exploring options for my next phone. What will be your future pick?
I was looking forward to a new sony device, but I am not blown away with the xperia x. But I guess it is still top of my list.
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Probably a Z5 compact. The Z5 is cheaper but has the same spec as the X.
Sony have the market on small top spec phones. I like a small phone in my hand, not some massive phablet.
Plus it's waterproof and has all the features. Top audio, noise reduction technologies built in. IPS screen, there aren't any other manufacturers that come close.
But it won't be for another year, hopefully by then there will be some development on it and things like rooting will be easy.
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Probably a Z5 compact. The Z5 is cheaper but has the same spec as the X.
Sony have the market on small top spec phones. I like a small phone in my hand, not some massive phablet.
Plus it's waterproof and has all the features. Top audio, noise reduction technologies built in. IPS screen, there aren't any other manufacturers that come close.
But it won't be for another year, hopefully by then there will be some development on it and things like rooting will be easy.
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Yeah unfortunately support on xda is virtually non existent for the z5 (compact). And I do not think it will surge eventually, then it would have happened already. It is also the main reason why I didn't switch earlier. But yeah.. Xda support is really important for me since I like to tweak certain aspects
I am going with the Huawei P9 Plus. It will be a step up from the z3c in a few areas. First off, the P9 has 4gb of ram, so multitasking is easier, and the chipset is a solid foundation as well. The z3c has a higher megapixel camera 20mp vs the 12mp P9 Plus. The P9 Plus is almost an inch bigger in size 4.6 vs 5.5 but I still think that it does not qualify as ( as Didgesteve called it ) a phablet.
Nokia's (the Finnish company) non compete clause expires next month, so in 8 days I believe, I'm waiting to see what they bring to market - I bet it'll be good - they've had years to prepare.
A Galaxy Note 6/7 or a Nexus phone. My biggest priorities are vanilla, lag free, good battery and waterproof. If google makes a nice Nexus that's waterproof and has good battery, lag and vanilla are given. For the Note, I'm not so sure about the UI. But my Z3C has become laggy as of late, even with a factory reset. Constantly at 1.6-1.9 gb memory usage.
Xiaomi Mi 5 is cheap and really rocks!!! :good:
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Xiaomi Mi 5 is cheap and really rocks!!! :good:
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Definitely not Z5 Compact, I'd rather wait for the Xperia X to have a compact version than buy a phone with barely any support from the community and not to mention Snapdragon 810 Problems
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Xiaomi Mi 5 is cheap and really rocks!!! :good:
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I ways also looking forward to this. But that video showing that it breaks easily scared me off. The camera is also underwhelming.
I like specs from oneplus 3, but it is just too damn big.
Much as i like the z3c for it's size and specs, my next phone will most likely be a nexus.
While Sony's firmware isn't bad i do miss the variety of 3rd party, AOSP based roms, something that a nexus won't lack thanks to the open bootloader and abundance of developers.
For now, until we know anything about the next Nexus devices, i just hope the PA team will manage to resolve some of the more pressing bugs, a daily-driver aosp MM rom might just keep me around for a bit longer.
Definitely not a Xperia!!
i switched from z3 compact to iphone SE
I went from a HTC Desire to a HTC Sensation, then a Xperia ZR and I have enjoyed my Z3 Compact since October, 2014. I wanted a new Xperia for the summer of 2016, something like the Z6 Compact but the new Xperia X series is not what I wanted.
The only Xperia X I wanted is the X Performance but it has failed to pique my interest. Battery tests look underwhelming compared to the Z3C, the camera isn't up to the other flagships and the price is too high for a smartphone that wont' be released in Europe until July.
So I have jumped ship and went to buy an S7 Edge that features great battery, screen, camera, waterproofing and Material themes so TouchWiz isn't annoying. Maybe the screen is too big at 5.5", but the AMOLED readability in summer is top-notch and the pictures and videos taken are miles better than any other phone camera I tried.
The S7 Edge was 570 euro including the Samsung VR glasses (thanks to Vodafone). The Xperia X Performance hasn't been released yet, but I expect it to cost around 630-650 euro.
Sony has failed me first choosing the SD 810 for the Z5 line and now leaving the Z series aside (Z6 Compact, Z6 and Z6 Premium was what I wanted).
I may return to Sony when they offer something that fills the void of the Z series, not right now with overpriced phones that are released too late.
I get my Nexus 5X tomorrow! YAY! Not the newest device, but almost anything seems to be better to me than any Xperia. I really like the Nexus line. If I hadn't been that misinformed by Sony about being open blabla I would have bought a Nexus instead of an Xperia. Actually using a Z3C, going to sell it as soon as I was finally able to recover DRM with Windows 10 or Linux (Arch). So my Nexus 5X will cost me about 100 Euro. Nice price for a quite decent upgrade of camera and processor (Snapdragon 801 --> Snapdragon 808) and for a device I can fully customize and which got amazing support in FOSS community / XDA.
I think smartphones today are really fast (more than 200 (!!) times faster than my first PC., an Intel 80386. Imagine 200 PCs in your room, haha) and it's not top priority for me to have the fastest device in the whole universe. What counts for me is that the device is fast enough to be ready for daily usage, that I can modify my device to my needs without losing any feature (camera quality, sound quality), not the needs a company wants me to have... and to have a good camera (battery of the Nexus 5X is not the best but acceptable). At first I was quite satisfied with my Z3C but that slowly turned into frustration and anger. It took months to root this unholy device without losing DRM forever (thank God for the dev that finally got it!). Afterwards it was a pain in the ass to do such simple things like rooting it, install recovery (compared to my S3 and Nexus 7; atm trying to recover my DRM for selling this crappy device but ADB won't call SuperSU - wtf?!)... then saw how "good" the open-source output of the so-called developer-friendly company was and I was massively disappointed, to say it in very kind words. Still there is no fully working (--> fisheye) AOSP for Z3 series. Lollipop got fisheye, CM13 for MM is not available yet (LOL?! The only manufacturer left... what a shame) because Sony released first MM working stuff (RIL, camera) in May 2016 afaik) - more than half a year after release of MM. That's what I call developer-friendly... lol. I never gonna buy any Xperia anymore, never in a million years, that's for sure, and try to avoid buying anything made by Sony in general.
Now I'm very glad to get a Nexus (I'm still very satisfied with my Nexus 7 2013 already) because the needs of the user and customizability are top priority and it has a very good cam, which won't produce (reverse) fisheye-pictures when unlocked. I won't need to use stock ROM for this device to be fully working, nor a locked BL and a thousand hacks for stock to be comfortable with (still no dark settings for MM stock, only eye-killing whiteness). Feels like not being in bonds any more...
My brother and my sister-in-law both got the same device (Z3C stock, not rooted) and are very satisfied (for whatever reason... camera on stock with DRM is even worse than on my old Galaxy S3)... so, well. For everyone who still likes Xperia, I wish you the best with that, honestly.
Good riddance, Sony...
is there any phone out there with similar dimensions to the z3 compact? i would like waterproofing as well, but not sure what's out there these days. i have to admit i love the concept rom
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is there any phone out there with similar dimensions to the z3 compact? i would like waterproofing as well, but not sure what's out there these days. i have to admit i love the concept rom
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Z5 Compact
deniz2694 said:
i switched from z3 compact to iphone SE
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I know a lot of ppl that had made that switch and was satisfied about it
I'm looking for the best smartphone that does not tells itself that the system was been tampered if i root and modify something (Like KNOX or HTC do tell it), because if i want to bring my warranty back, i simply re-flash the firmware and it become unrooted.
No idea. I will be sticking with my Z3c for the foreseeable future.
I recently purchased a Galaxy s6 and was missing my Z3c within a few days. I have also recently used the LG G4 and Nexus 5x. All of these feel like a step down. The Z3c with the MM Slim rom is so fast and fluid and the battery life is ridiculous. The galaxy S6 could kill itself in 12 hours with almost no interaction. Also, it is hard to go back to a phone as large as those. Once you put a case on them, you may as well be using a tablet.
I would go for OnePlus 3 right now, but it's huge, i just don't get the hype for 5.5" screen, that requires your device body to have more than 15cm in size. All of a sudden 5" was not enough so they all had to go for more, not to mention big bezels on top and bottom of the screen even on those 5-5.2" devices.
I currently own the Galaxy S8 and played a few weeks with an Essential phone as well.
Both are fast and premium devices.
However, I am considering switching to Fi because I can see some benefits when traveling, plus I am most of the time connected to Wifi.
I really dislike what Google did with the Pixel phones, overpriced and (in my opinion) ugly compared to the Nexus line, so I don't want to get a Pixel phone.
The Moto X4 looks pretty competitive, the only cons I can see is the processor. I can even sell my S8 and get some extra money.
Has anyone been able to use both phones S8 & Moto X4 as a daily driver?
On a daily and regular use, do you see much difference? Speed, features, battery?
I don't really use it for gaming so, that's not a problem for me.
Is it worth to give it a try or sounds like a stupid idea?
Thank you guys.
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I currently own the Galaxy S8 and played a few weeks with an Essential phone as well.
Both are fast and premium devices.
However, I am considering switching to Fi because I can see some benefits when traveling, plus I am most of the time connected to Wifi.
I really dislike what Google did with the Pixel phones, overpriced and (in my opinion) ugly compared to the Nexus line, so I don't want to get a Pixel phone.
The Moto X4 looks pretty competitive, the only cons I can see is the processor. I can even sell my S8 and get some extra money.
Has anyone been able to use both phones S8 & Moto X4 as a daily driver?
On a daily and regular use, do you see much difference? Speed, features, battery?
I don't really use it for gaming so, that's not a problem for me.
Is it worth to give it a try or sounds like a stupid idea?
Thank you guys.
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The X4, while a nice phone with excellent build quality has three things against it--internal storage size, at least with the 32GB, as much is taken up due to the way the OS is stored, the processor and the camera. On the plus side, you have Project Fi (although some people have soured on it, view the reddit forums if you want more details), although this includes Hangouts integration, so you can for example text from your computer without even having your phone on you, or make and take calls. The battery life is also excellent. You WILL need a case for it, the phone is simply too slick to use without one. I haven't used an S8 at all, but I am personally happy with the X4, as is my wife.
I have the X4 on Fi, and my coworker got the Pixel 2 on Fi. I don't think the Pixel on Fi makes any sense: Why would I buy a $900 phone so I can have a $30/month cell phone bill? Anyways, there is a difference between the two, but it's a lot smaller than the price tag difference would suggest.
The X4 is very nice. Battery life is great. Built quality is great. Software is near stock Android. I haven't even rooted it yet, as I see no need.
It's not the fastest CPU, but I wouldn't need the fastest CPU if I had the option. It's plenty fast as is. I play a few games here and there, and it holds up great. Only slowdown is when I'm taking a LOT of pictures in a short amount of time, and I'm using HDR+ (see below). But even then, it's only a quick second before it's done, and I'm off to taking more pics.
As mentioned above me, there are drawbacks. The 32GB storage is literally 50% taken up by the system. There is only 16-18GB for your data. I use Google Photos, so my pics are backed up, and I have Google Play Music download my library to my 64GB sd card, so it doesn't bother me that much. I think I still have 8-9GB free, and my SD card is only like 1/4 full.
The camera is not great, at least at first. The stock Moto Camera is the worst camera software of any phone I've owned in the past several years. But, it's not a hardware issue, it's a software issue. Download a modded Gcam apk, turn on HDR+, start using portrait mode, and the camera is actually really good. It won't win any contests, but it's VERY good, and I've never it crap out on me.
There are a few minor inconveniences that separate this phone from a phone twice it's price, none of which bother me enough to spend hundreds of dollars extra to fix. The speakerphone is only mono, and comes from the top of the device. Not a big deal when you're on the phone, but watching Netflix in bed is noticeable.
I would highly recommend this phone to anyone looking at it. It's great.
Great to know!
Thanks both for your answers!
I just ordered it today from the project Fi page and even got a $20 off discount on my next billing cycle (via referral code).
If the phone is acceptable, I might consider selling my S8.
I agree, makes no sense to me to offer super expensive phones for a service that is supposed to save you a few bucks.
Thank you!
We dont have project fi here(UAE) but i am using moto X4 more than a month.. Device is very slippery and glass protection on the back side so sensitive..Minor hit can bring huge scratch on your phone body..