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i hope the devs support the droid turbo.
verizon locks down the droid tight.
With the nexus 6 also coming out it'll be a coin toss. Motorola has been cool about it since Google had it but now Lenovo takes over...
i think Sunshine V3.0 will work.. fingers crossed.
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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I think the comparison would be to a moto X 2nd Gen. It's got more similar firmware.
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its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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It literally takes ONE TINY THING which has nothing to do with advertised specs to make the phone bullet proof, or at least impermeable by usual means.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56172538&postcount=20
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If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).
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The answer is no, you will probably never see a root exploit for the Droid Turbo. The person above linked to one of my prior posts on a different thread, and it comes down to two fundamental facts... there is probably not going to be a DE of the Turbo because of the Nexus 6, and rooting a non-bootloader unlocked device once it's running Android 5.0 [Lollipop] and beyond is damn near impossible. The latter has to do withe SELinux and how Google locked down the partitions and permissions. ChainFire wrote two posts on Google+ that explain in great detail why those without unlocked bootloader can kiss rooting goodbye. It's not impossible, however it is highly improbable a root exploit will be found, in the same way it's possible the Earth could be hit today by a 5 mile wide asteroid, but it's highly improbable.
The new security features Google built into Android 5.0 is a double edged sword... on one hand they've finally addressed issues that, as of today, make Android the least secure OS on the market; however, the security that all of us most definitely want makes it highly unlikely a root exploit could be run on a non-bootloader unlocked device. The only reason it would work on an unlocked bootloader device is because a previous kernel could be flashed that would allow the exploit to run at bootup (flashing kernels is prevented by locked bootloaders).
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I hope so
I've never had a Droid, so I'm clueless. I really haven't been into flashing Tom's in a while, but I like having root, TB, and being able to use root to adjust minor things. Do Droids usually have any dev support? I ask because since they are Exclusive, I know that cuts the list of Devs who are interested.
sent from my LG G3 Rasputin, by far the BEST phone I've ever owned.
big70tom said:
I've never had a Droid, so I'm clueless. I really haven't been into flashing Tom's in a while, but I like having root, TB, and being able to use root to adjust minor things. Do Droids usually have any dev support? I ask because since they are Exclusive, I know that cuts the list of Devs who are interested.
sent from my LG G3 Rasputin, by far the BEST phone I've ever owned.
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For truly exclusive to Verizon phone the dev support is very minimal or non-existent but it appears that Motorola will release a global version of this phone which should draw a lot more support. This phone comes loaded with almost vanilla Android - disable the bloat and you are as close to Nexus as you can get - the closes out of all manufacturers. With root, you get the ability to remove bloat but flashing ROMs is still questionable because of the locked bootloader. Here is a good read on bootloader onlocking:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56172538&postcount=20
jmonroe0914 said:
If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).
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will there be root for this phone on att or will it have the same issues as the note 4?
rtubbs85 said:
will there be root for this phone on att or will it have the same issues as the note 4?
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same issues. They said they will not support unlocked bootloaders..
http://androidandme.com/2013/08/car...upport-unlocked-bootloaders-once-and-for-all/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/
danon.brown said:
same issues. They said they will not support unlocked bootloaders..
http://androidandme.com/2013/08/car...upport-unlocked-bootloaders-once-and-for-all/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tloaders-so-stop-asking-us-about-every-phone/
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Those are from 2 years ago IVe had rooted phones since then.
What I'm saying is if they said that back then why was I able to get root on other phones?
Root <> unlocked bootloader....
That being said, no one knows if it will get root or not. It depends if a suitable exploit is discovered to do it. 5.1.1 plugs a few of the known exploits, so it won't happen the exact same way it did in the S6.
Only time will tell.
Also keep in mind that root can mean different things too... Permanent, temporary, root but with no system modification, etc... No one knows which we will get, if any.
keep in mind that most of the talented Devs have abandoned Samsung, so that might make it even worse
Doesn't the Note 5 have the same hardware as the S6/S6E? Seems like it should be able to be done like those phones but I don't know if that's true or not.
I'm thinking about getting this phone, but will hold off until proven root on AT&T.
I just saw this article, so maybe I'll stay with my HTC:
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
The Verizon and AT&T models have a carrier specific mechanism, which is apart of the Samsung Knox Security Suite, Samsung Knox director of business development Ram Motipally detailed to iDigitalTimes at a recent briefing in New York prior to the Galaxy Note 5 and S6 Edge+ launch. “In most of the U.S. devices, if you root the device the device won’t even boot up; if it’s AT&T or Verizon,” he said.
I'm new so I can't post links but the first one is on a website called Android geeks and I found it after searching att s6 edge root. The other one is on a website called tech chomps. Hopefully they can be found...
Found some website claiming to have hacked kernels capable of root in my annual scouring of the web praying that I can regain control of my phone...should I have hope in this?
Just thought id share my finding here, for anyone passing by please exercise caution when browsing these sites, I know nothing about them and just found them. I am hoping someone on here can drop in about the legitimacy of these sites before I test them.
I haven't heard of those but am doubtful there is root unless it's for devices that are on old software. I just got an s6 edge thats on 6.0.1, no root.
If you want root, don't buy ATT devices. Most T-Mobile devices work on ATT network (with LTE and all), and have unlocked bootloaders allowing root. That is my understanding at least and my experience with the Note 4.
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I haven't heard of those but am doubtful there is root unless it's for devices that are on old software. I just got an s6 edge thats on 6.0.1, no root.
If you want root, don't buy ATT devices. Most T-Mobile devices work on ATT network (with LTE and all), and have unlocked bootloaders allowing root. That is my understanding at least and my experience with the Note 4.
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Will a root ever be possible? I'm new to this and is there no chance that I will be able to root my 6.0.1 att s6 edge?
brushpicks said:
Will a root ever be possible? I'm new to this and is there no chance that I will be able to root my 6.0.1 att s6 edge?
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To be honest, I don't know, but I would say odds are better that you wont get root than that you will.
Attention samsung we know you spy on us here on xda. We have a major complaint and wish for you to allow our devices to have it's bootloader unlocked. I have checked your company's code in sboot.bin and it has this code in it: "get_oem_unlock_val" and theres hidden jpg files in param.bin (you can open the file as an archive in 7 zip) It has a file named unlock_L.jpg which will show an unlock icon and the word custom. Why would you waste time putting this in the bootloader if you wasn't intending to let us (your customers) use it. We demand an update to allow us to unlock the bootloader. We will not set here and watch our rights as consumers to use our device as we choose be thrown out the window. There's a reason us android fans hate IOS and iphones and that is because it is all proprietary bull crap and we want freedom. Here is the link to a petition i made weeks ago to samsung on change.org: https://www.change.org/p/samsung-unlock-the-bootloader-on-the-j3-prime?recruiter=69539793&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_content=nafta_copylink_shortlink_1%3Acontrol
Update: Samsung has not responded to our demands. and they have decided to randomly stop making the android oreo update. I was told by samsung themselves that the j3 prime from metropcs and tmobile will get android oreo. I feel lied to. Everyone should keep contacting the customer care center of your carrier and samsung both. We should not rest until our demands are met. I refuse to let my efforts of over a year trying to get root go out the window.
Remember this quote: "those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."
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I have added a poll to the thread so everyone can vote. this is another way to show samsung how much we care.
watch this samsung!: https://youtu.be/Q07uesnjuPg & https://youtu.be/gpVocvREboo
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I made a post in the offical samsung forums: [Url deleted since post was deleted on samsungs site.]
No matter how much you beg or how many people sign this petition I can pretty much guarantee Samsung will not respond.
The simple fact is, people wanting root or an unlocked bootloader are a minority as far as Samsung are concerned.
The majority of people who use bootloader locked devices are unaware of what root even is or a locked bootloader.
Unfortunately those who require Admin access to their devices are insignificant in the big picture.
ashyx said:
No matter how much you beg or how many people sign this petition I can pretty much guarantee Samsung will not respond.
The simple fact is, people wanting root or an unlocked bootloader are a minority as far as Samsung are concerned.
The majority of people who use bootloader locked devices are unaware of what root even is or a locked bootloader.
Unfortunately those who require Admin access to their devices are insignificant in the big picture.
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You do have a good point. I am guessing samsung is just looking at the needs of the many vs the needs of the few but at this point this is our only option unless someone finds an exploit which could take a year or more to find. If i could get a bootloader unlocked device lg is the way to go but it will be years before i get a new device.
thepcwiz101 said:
You do have a good point. I am guessing samsung is just looking at the needs of the many vs the needs of the few but at this point this is our only option unless someone finds an exploit which could take a year or more to find. If i could get a bootloader unlocked device lg is the way to go but it will be years before i get a new device.
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Me too, I'm totally out of luck at this point
ashyx said:
No matter how much you beg or how many people sign this petition I can pretty much guarantee Samsung will not respond.
The simple fact is, people wanting root or an unlocked bootloader are a minority as far as Samsung are concerned.
The majority of people who use bootloader locked devices are unaware of what root even is or a locked bootloader.
Unfortunately those who require Admin access to their devices are insignificant in the big picture.
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I found a solution to our locked bootloader issue. it will require ordering from samsungs website. The model of the unlocked variant of the j3 prime is: SM-J327U it is has oem unlock in developer options, it is unlocked for all carriers, and the bootloader is unlocked completely. looks like twrp can be built for this device. and also i confirm that the device is rooted with the j327t cf autoroot. another guy in another thread has stated he has root.
Attention samsung i have found that you are in violation of federal law which allows us consumers to root or flash a custom rom or recovery. Also you cannot void warranty for rooting or flashing custom firmware according to an article i read made in 2016. On behalf of the community we demand our bootloaders to be able to be unlocked. We are getting sick of relying on exploits which can be really bad to use as hackers use it to get control of our phones. All phones from 2017 onward need to be unlocked regardless of carrier. We do not live in north korea so stop treating us like we are slaves!!!
thepcwiz101 said:
Attention samsung i have found that you are in violation of federal law which allows us consumers to root or flash a custom rom or recovery. Also you cannot void warranty for rooting or flashing custom firmware according to an article i read made in 2016. On behalf of the community we demand our bootloaders to be able to be unlocked. We are getting sick of relying on exploits which can be really bad to use as hackers use it to get control of our phones. All phones from 2017 onward need to be unlocked regardless of carrier. We do not live in north korea so stop treating us like we are slaves!!!
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Not trying to defend anyone, but Samsung has it's reasons for this. They are trying to protect subsidy. So say for example Samsung makes different 737 models to different carriers such as T-mobile or ATT. T-mobile or ATT want the customers to be using their plan. If the phone's could be unlocked, you could simply buy the cheapest model and use it for any carrier. As for unlocking the bootloader or rooting, any android phone with Android 7.0 or higher is difficult to root. All the one click root methods i've tried such as Kingroot for multiple different phones such as Samsung, ZTE, LG.. all failed. All we can do is wait for a master hacker to find a work around.
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Not trying to defend anyone, but Samsung has it's reasons for this. They are trying to protect subsidy. So say for example Samsung makes different 737 models to different carriers such as T-mobile or ATT. T-mobile or ATT want the customers to be using their plan. If the phone's could be unlocked, you could simply buy the cheapest model and use it for any carrier. As for unlocking the bootloader or rooting, any android phone with Android 7.0 or higher is difficult to root. All the one click root methods i've tried such as Kingroot for multiple different phones such as Samsung, ZTE, LG.. all failed. All we can do is wait for a master hacker to find a work around.
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Well that is a valid reason. But i think people should check this out: https://www.xda-developers.com/bootloader-unlock-root-pixel-2-skipsoft-toolkit/
thepcwiz101 said:
Well that is a valid reason. But i think people should check this out: https://www.xda-developers.com/bootloader-unlock-root-pixel-2-skipsoft-toolkit/
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Not sure what angle your aiming at, but it won't have any use for this device?
mohhaxs said:
Not trying to defend anyone, but Samsung has it's reasons for this. They are trying to protect subsidy. So say for example Samsung makes different 737 models to different carriers such as T-mobile or ATT. T-mobile or ATT want the customers to be using their plan. If the phone's could be unlocked, you could simply buy the cheapest model and use it for any carrier. As for unlocking the bootloader or rooting, any android phone with Android 7.0 or higher is difficult to root. All the one click root methods i've tried such as Kingroot for multiple different phones such as Samsung, ZTE, LG.. all failed. All we can do is wait for a master hacker to find a work around.
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I think they should allow it, and only make one model of each phone!
Relyt2012 said:
I think they should allow it, and only make one model of each phone!
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Well that would require all cell phone companies to program the device for their market when it is shipped to the company which is inefficient. Cell phone companies request a device catered to how their network works. If you have verizon and you try to get a phone with a GSM radio to work on it you will be wasting time because it wont work. Maybe if all companies switch to cdma or gsm it will be practical to make one model for all carriers.
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Well that would require all cell phone companies to program the device for their market when it is shipped to the company which is inefficient. Cell phone companies request a device catered to how their network works. If you have verizon and you try to get a phone with a GSM radio to work on it you will be wasting time because it wont work. Maybe if all companies switch to cdma or gsm it will be practical to make one model for all carriers.
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That's untrue of the S7 edge, same modems and all as unlocked variant!!