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is there or can anyone create a small applet that can use the kaiser's touchscreen as a scale to measure weight, such as 0.3grams
...what's that white stuff on your phone?...kidding. kewl idea
Cool idea! So, is there anyone that can elaborate on the technical details of how our touchscreens function so we can figure out if the idea is feasible?
Here are some links, im really liking this idea. I even believe it could work. I doubt it would work for measurments over 45g
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The reason I can see this working is the screen depends on the screen being pressure sensitive.
well, we are able to change the sensitivity of our touch screens, can't we incorporate that into a simple application
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is there or can anyone create a small applet that can use the kaiser's touchscreen as a scale to measure weight, such as 0.3grams
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Haha, you guys are funny... i hope it takes gram and dime
can anyone do anything with this lol?
I want a pocket scale! That would be sooo handy! ; )
HAHAHAHAHA Oh, the possibilities!
lmao its hilarious because me and a few of my friends have been talking about that for ages, and assumed it not possible. If it is, id pay. I got like $15 goin to whoever makes that program >D
It isn't. Touchscreens of the kind you find on the kaiser are made of 2 layers separated by little "rubber spacers" (the dots you can see when looking at the screen when it's off in strong light). The pressure needs to be great enough to bend the upper layer and have it touch the other one. But as it's the pressure that matters, if you put a weight that is the size of the screen, even if it's 100-200gr the screen won't even feel a press.
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It isn't. Touchscreens of the kind you find on the kaiser are made of 2 layers separated by little "rubber spacers" (the dots you can see when looking at the screen when it's off in strong light). The pressure needs to be great enough to bend the upper layer and have it touch the other one. But as it's the pressure that matters, if you put a weight that is the size of the screen, even if it's 100-200gr the screen won't even feel a press.
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damn it! i thought about this before!
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It isn't. Touchscreens of the kind you find on the kaiser are made of 2 layers separated by little "rubber spacers" (the dots you can see when looking at the screen when it's off in strong light). The pressure needs to be great enough to bend the upper layer and have it touch the other one. But as it's the pressure that matters, if you put a weight that is the size of the screen, even if it's 100-200gr the screen won't even feel a press.
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I was thinking the same thing. However, it still seems like it could be done with a standardized container, such as a bottle cap. That way you have the same area always touching the screen, and just the force changes (pressure = force / area, and force is weight). Stick a standardized 1 gram weight in the cap, put it on the screen, run the calibration part of the program, then always use that cap to hold whatever you're weighing.
I still don't know if the screen technology would let this work, but I think there's a chance. Perhaps the program could sweep the screen sensitivity from low to high, looking for when a "screen tap" is sensed, if simply looking at the touchscreen output isn't enough to determing weight...
I got 10 on it.
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I was thinking the same thing. However, it still seems like it could be done with a standardized container, such as a bottle cap. That way you have the same area always touching the screen, and just the force changes (pressure = force / area, and force is weight).
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I thought of that too, but seeing the pitch of the dots I guess the contact surface would have to be relatively small (like max 3x3mm), which would lead to the holder tipping over all the time... Not to mention the response on the screen is most likely less than linear, so one would have to always use the same "spot" on the screen to put the container on... At this point my little 500gr/0.1gr resolution pocket scale seems more convenient
oh well, thnx
I don't know if its just me, but I think I'll look kinda weird at the spuermarket putting bananas on my phone
Dude you have to be the ONLY person who thought, "scale? Bananas!"
If you've read much about the Moto 360, you probably know about the ongoing issue of the thin plastic backs cracking near the band. Unfortunately, it's looking your our LG watches may have a major flaw of their own:
I received my G Watch R on Thursday evening, and after trying a few watch faces decided on the Aviator. I really liked the classic look as well as the weather info. So, the watch ran with that face all day Friday and Saturday, set to Screen Always On and a brightness of 3. At night, I set it to Screen Off.
Today (Sunday) I was showing my daughter the watch and changed to a softball face I found on facerepo.com. When dimmed, I noticed a strange mark in the yellow background. Upon closer inspection, I recognized it as the wings and hour marking of the Aviator face. So... after only 3 days (2 and a half, really) the P-OLED screen as developed burn-in. Granted in only is visible on a yellow or orange dimmed screen, but it is there. Which makes me wonder how long it will be before the burn-in is visible on a non-dimmed face?
The reason I bought the W Watch R over the Moto 360 is because I HATED the way the 360 screen shuts off unless it was constantly moving. I wanted to glance at the watch and see the time without flopping my arm around. Now I'm concerned that the feature that sold me on the watch will result in a damaged screen within a few weeks.
Please do me a favor and install Facer and the softball face, and let me know if you see burn-in on the dimmed screen as well. If so, LG might have a major problem on their hands.
if not mistaken..this is not the G watch issue..but the OLED issue. all the OLED have such burn in issue. just like what happen to the playstation vita 1st gen who has the OLED screen on it.
If an OLED screen is being used on a G watch, it IS a G watch problem. You don't use a screen technology with known burn-in issues (I just read a few minutes ago that P-OLED is supposedly worse than standard OLED) on a smart watch which will display the same icons an characters for days on end. I've had OLED phones in the past with no burn-in issues, so I was not aware of the problem until today. If the burn-in issue gets worse over time (mine is visible after 3 days), LG will have a serious problem on their hands and simply saying "it's an OLED issue" won't make people feel any better especially considering the $300 price tag.
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If an OLED screen is being used on a G watch, it IS a G watch problem. You don't use a screen technology with known burn-in issues (I just read a few minutes ago that P-OLED is supposedly worse than standard OLED) on a smart watch which will display the same icons an characters for days on end. I've had OLED phones in the past with no burn-in issues, so I was not aware of the problem until today. If the burn-in issue gets worse over time (mine is visible after 3 days), LG will have a serious problem on their hands and simply saying "it's an OLED issue" won't make people feel any better especially considering the $300 price tag.
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what i am trying to say is when there is OLED used...it will will burn in issue. what if you use the bright color screen now and see if after 1-2 days..the shadow will go away (please let us know again)?
so far i havent really use a watch face for long period ..i change almost everyday. and now i am more worry on the power saving watch face will cause issue to the phone..
this is the OLED happen to ps vita...and now sony has change the 2nd gen vita to use LCD instead of OLED..many new user has complaint that the new LCD screen has lousier screen than 1st gen OLED..especially the colour..
well thats worrying. i havent noticed any on mine yet but ive been changing between watch faces almost daily but now ive found one i like and im worried im going to face the same
I've been using the same face for a while now and haven't really notice any burn. Does the facer watchface have a dimmed mode? It might be because it's constantly on full that it burns in.
The Aviator isn't a Facer style. It's a purchased face from the Android Market, and it does dim. It doesn't shut off everything but the markers and hands, but it does dim the whole face. Did you try checking for burn-in on the dimmed softball face? It isn't apparent unless you have a solid dimmed background (yellow or orange work best). The default face for an app called WearFaces is orange and shows burn-in as well when the screen dims. Give it a try.
I'm sure it's a result of the screen being always on, even in a dimmed state. I could obviously reduce the burn-in by switching ambient mode off, but it defeats one of the main advantages that the LG watch has over the Moto 360. I had a 360 for a week, and it drove me nuts. It's a nice looking watch, but it always seemed like the screen was off when I wanted it on and it would pop on when I wanted it off. It's primarily a watch, and when you have to keep moving your arm around to check the time, it become a burden rather than a convenience.
This is excellent example of why you should not use light colored watch faces. Burns battery and looks terrible. Remember on OLED, black means "off". A mostly black watchface burns almost no juice.
That softball face looks ridiculous anyway. Stick with Aviator.
Last point. Always on is just dumb. Why do you want your watch face on when you aren't looking at it, to impress chicks? Besides burning battery, an always on face is more difficult to activate the on face and thus Google Now. It activates faster from off to on than from slightly on to on.
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This is excellent example of why you should not use light colored watch faces. Burns battery and looks terrible. Remember on OLED, black means "off". A mostly black watchface burns almost no juice.
That softball face looks ridiculous anyway. Stick with Aviator.
Last point. Always on is just dumb. Why do you want your watch face on when you aren't looking at it, to impress chicks?
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Your comment isn't even a solution or helpful at all. He's looking for someone to confirm the burn in issue. Honestly I have a hard time seeing it on the picture he submitted, but as someone who's interested in buying the watch I would like to know if this is a problem as well.
What happens if he takes your advice, sticks with a particular watch face for a long time, then decides he wants to change it to something else? If there is burn in, then it's going to be noticeable, no matter what watch face he uses. Your suggestion could be harmful.
Always on is not dumb. I have a Pebble and love the fact that I don't need to do anything crazy to see the time. I just look at it. No gestures, or interaction required. I would want / expect the same from any watch I plan on replacing it with. Otherwise there is a huge lack of convenience there. It's not to "impress chicks". And if you knew anything about "chicks" you'd know that stuff like this doesn't impress them and 95% of them could probably care less about some gadget.
You need to be aware how to handle OLED displays. I learned my lesson in the hard way (with some previous phones) so, I now handle them with care and I have no problems anymore (both my Razr I - 2 years old, and my Watch R - 2 weeks old, are in perfect shape). I intend to buy an OLED TV soon as well .
So, long story short .... if you want long life out of your OLED screen you need to:
A: NEVER use it at max (or high) brightntness more than few seconds with a static image.
B: ALWAYS use more green/red themes because red and green are the most resilient OLED compounds (with the current manufacture technologies).
C: Use very very VERY LOW brightness for the "screen saver" - in our case, always on/dim mode.
D: WHITE has a lot of blue in it ... so, a long time of white theme usage will create burn-in in all colours, especially in the blue colour - the less resistant compound (3 times faster deprecation compared to red, 4-5 times compared to green) so avoid high contrast elements in high brightness mode.
E: Default DIM mode of the Watch G is waaaaay to bright for the purpose of the "dim" mode. A black, transparent layer is needed on top of the dim mode in order to prevent this (with the current firmware at least)
Conclusion: Choose wisely a pre-made face or build your own with the appropriate dim mode brightness.
Attached is my watch face (made for Watch Maker) and the basic colours tests (all photos captured few minutes ago). I tried to capture the appearance of the watch as seen with the naked eye (depending on your monitor calibration, your view might vary).
With this type of face I did not got any burn-ins and I'm using it with always on mode activated (I like the feeling of a real watch so I'll be able to take a glimpse at the watch and tell the time, without shacking it, bring it horizontally or pushing buttons). The brightness for "normal" use is set between 1 and 2 (approximate). I'm using Wear Mini Launcher which has an advanced brightness mode under settings.
For testing I used Stuck Pixel Fixer
@ro_explorer how do you use a tinted watch face only when screen is off but not when on? Using facer app I can apply a tinted black image always and that's it
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Your comment isn't even a solution or helpful at all. He's looking for someone to confirm the burn in issue. Honestly I have a hard time seeing it on the picture he submitted, but as someone who's interested in buying the watch I would like to know if this is a problem as well.
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OLED screens get burn-in. Everyone knows this.
What happens if he takes your advice, sticks with a particular watch face for a long time, then decides he wants to change it to something else? If there is burn in, then it's going to be noticeable, no matter what watch face he uses. Your suggestion could be harmful.
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The LG G R shifts the image from time to time to prevent burn-in.
Always on is not dumb. I have a Pebble and love the fact that I don't need to do anything crazy to see the time. I just look at it. No gestures, or interaction required. I would want / expect the same from any watch I plan on replacing it with. Otherwise there is a huge lack of convenience there. It's not to "impress chicks". And if you knew anything about "chicks" you'd know that stuff like this doesn't impress them and 95% of them could probably care less about some gadget.
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Yes, always on is dumb. It leads to burn in. I was kidding about impressing chicks. Lighten up dude.
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@ro_explorer how do you use a tinted watch face only when screen is off but not when on? Using facer app I can apply a tinted black image always and that's it
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I have no idea what are the advantages&limitations of "Facer". In "WatchMaker" I'm adding a black picture on top of everything, set the proper transparency to achieve the desired brightness ... then I set that object to be visible only in "dim mode"
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I have no idea what are the advantages&limitations of "Facer". In "WatchMaker" I'm adding a black picture on top of everything, set the proper transparency to achieve the desired brightness ... then I set that object to be visible only in "dim mode"
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Thanks just been playing with facer and seems to be a limitation of that app. Thanks for your help
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The LG G R shifts the image from time to time to prevent burn-in.
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How do you know it does this? I've not seen it do this.
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mitchellvii said:
OLED screens get burn-in. Everyone knows this.
The LG G R shifts the image from time to time to prevent burn-in.
Yes, always on is dumb. It leads to burn in. I was kidding about impressing chicks. Lighten up dude.
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Please stop while you're behind. You are embarrassing your fellow Charlotteans. You need to realize that your opinions are not shared by everyone, so expressing yourself the way you do just makes you look like a troll. Not everyone knows that OLEDs burn-in. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people who buy consumer electronics don't know what an OLED is let alone that a burn-in problem exists. Finally, I was using the Aviator face and only switched to the softball one temporarily because my daughter asked me to. Even if I did prefer that softball watch face, that's my choice so please refer back to my previous statement. In short, do people a favor and actually read posts before you comment on them and even then, ask yourself if you are actually contributing anything to the conversation. If not, don't hit the enter key and just move on.
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How do you know it does this? I've not seen it do this.
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It does and it's shifting randomly between one pixel and 4-5 pixels. You can see it if you have enough patience to watch the dim mode for 2 minutes continuously. The shift happens every minute and it is most visible on watch faces with hour markers. You will se a misalignment every minute and every time in another direction.
With this I also want to make everyone aware that if they are using bright elements in their designs, if the respective elements are no more than 2 pixels wide, they will not cause that much burn-in because the dim mode pixel shifting will move that object around enough to let the main pixels "rest". That why you can see in my design, all objects (letters/numbers and watch hands) are thin.
One more tip for designers: leave a 4-5 pixels wide circle, black, around your watch face in dim mode. In this way you will prevent ugly visible misalignments when pixel shifting does occur.
Thanks for this thread.
I was not aware of this "issue".
Will be interesting how this thread evolves and how other users experience the burn-ins.
In case you weren't able to see the burn-in in my original post, this picture is a bit better. I created a gray background which I dropped into the WearFaces app (standard and dimmed). When the screen dims, this is the burn-in I'm seeing. I did run the brightness at 6 for an hour or two when I was outside in daylight, but otherwise it was set to 3 or less. Please keep in mind that this is only visible when the screen is dimmed in ambient mode, but I'm concerned that it will get considerably worse over time and will eventually be noticeable all the time. It's not visible on the Stuck Pixel app because the brightness for the individual colors is too high.
I realize that Android Wear shifts the image, but if the illuminated area is wider than a few pixels it's not going to do much to eliminate the burn-in.
As for the comments that from certain people that everyone knows about OLEDs burn-in and only idiots set the screen to always on... apparently LG didn't know any better either, since they ship the watch set to ambient mode by default and the brightness on 4.
I've attached the gray PNG background if anyone wants to try it. Remember, the burn-in is only visible when the screen is dimmed (on mine anyway).
I recommend you to use this software for one or 2 hours.
Crank up the watch brightness to maximum, set the app to switch colours every 500ms and let it cycle for an hour between RGB only. Then put the whole colours and let it run for another hour.
The default switching time is very short because the app is designed to unstuck stucked pixels ... you want to force even output of all pixels so you need to keep them ON for longer time.
I cannot guarantee it will completely fix your issue but it will make it far less visible for sure.
Remember, do this with the brightness at max level for about 2 hours.
Explanation: even illumination of ALL pixels of the same colour (RGB switch phase) should even a little the "wear" of the pixels so, all the pixels of the screen will become more equal in terms of light level output.
When you run all the colours (the other colours are mixtures between 2 major RGB components) so it will equalise the light output between each pair of RGB, resulting in the end an even illuminated display.
If you are going to try that, post here the results please. That methodology worked on 2 personal AMOLED phones until now (showing similar issues).
it possibly explains the designs of the stock watch faces, all with thin lines to allow for the pixel shifting to work. im wondering if LG will be funny about RMA as the cause is technically the custom unofficial watch face. I hate to suggest it and i hope im wrong because your burn in is really bad on the gray background. ive switched back to stock watch faces but its a bit disappointing as i loved my custom Tag face
@ED2O9 do you plan on sending for RMA?
Just stumbled upon this because the GVR was making my face sore after wearing it a while. I had already replaced the stock foam pad with the alternate one which has the nose bridge. For more padding I simply took the original "noseless" pad and put it on first. I then placed the full pad on top of it, attaching the nose section to the velcro so it stays in place - in other words, double foam.
WOW.
What I didn't expect was the MAJOR REDUCTION IN SCREEN DOOR EFFECT which has been achieved simply by moving the GVR another 1/4 inch from my face. I was looking at the Mars 360 photos and I thought, "Damn these look clear." Then I looked at some others and noticed the pixels all seemed about half the size they were previously. To really test it I loaded up The Hobbit in Oculus Cinema. WOW! SO much better. Again, pixels half the size. It makes sense. Your eyes are twice as far from the lenses so pixels half as big. Incredible.
The best analogy is that instead of feeling you are looking through a screen door, it looks like the image is projected on canvas. Much much more pleasant.
So apparently the biggest cause for the screen door effect on the GVR is it's just too damned close to your eyes. I also found focusing much easier and eye strain reduced - and oh yeah, face hurt less. I find the screen looks better with this mod if I wear the GVR a bit lower on my face as well.
Give it a try. Watch the Hobbit without the "double-stuff" then watch it with - you'll see the difference.
P.S., Some have commented that this will reduce your FOV and cause focus issues at the edges. Please remember that you are only moving 1/4 in from the lenses. IMHO there is no perceptible FOV loss and no additional focus problems at the edges. The only thing which changes is the image is so much better.
Anyone try this? Any improvement? For me it's night and day.
When you get the chance, can you post a pic of what the modified padding looks like?
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When you get the chance, can you post a pic of what the modified padding looks like?
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Just follow my instructions. Put the noseless pad on the bottom and the nose pad on the top. Simple.
But if you do that you lose so much of the picture...
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But if you do that you lose so much of the picture...
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What? How? You don't lose any picture at all. You simply stack the padding on top of each other. It just causes the lenses to be 1/4 inch further from your eyes so pixels look smaller. How are you losing picture?
Was just looking at 360 pics again like this. It's a whole new device. Instead of looking big and distinct pixels look like grains of sand.
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What? How? You don't lose any picture at all. You simply stack the padding on top of each other. It just causes the lenses to be 1/4 inch further from your eyes so pixels look smaller. How are you losing picture?
Was just looking at 360 pics again like this. It's a whole new device. Instead of looking big and distinct pixels look like grains of sand.
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You lose fov being further away, more of a binocular effect.
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You lose fov being further away, more of a binocular effect.
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Not even remotely correct. No perceived loss of FOV at all. Binocular effect actually seems lessened as the image quality is so much improved. Remember, we are talking 1/4 inch here.
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Not even remotely correct. No perceived loss of FOV at all. Binocular effect actually seems lessened as the image quality is so much improved. Remember, we are talking 1/4 inch here.
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You lose fov being further away, this is a fact.
You also get a more distorted picture around the edges of the lens.
Not saying it doesn't make it more clear because you are further away, just pointing out what you lose when you do this.
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You lose fov being further away, this is a fact.
You also get a more distorted picture around the edges of the lens.
Not saying it doesn't make it more clear because you are further away, just pointing out what you lose when you do this.
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No I'm sorry but you are wrong. Have you actually tried it or is this just your theory?
By moving back only 1/4 inch you lose maybe 1-2% of your field of view and there is no additional distortion around the edges but the image is dramatically better - night and day. So which would you rather have, tiny pixels and 98% of the FOV or huge pixels and 100% FOV? Miniscule sacrifice, huge gain.
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Just stumbled upon this because the GVR was making my face sore after wearing it a while. I had already replaced the stock foam pad with the alternate one which has the nose bridge. For more padding I simply took the original "noseless" pad and put it on first. I then placed the full pad on top of it, attaching the nose section to the velcro so it stays in place - in other words, double foam.
WOW.
What I didn't expect was the MAJOR REDUCTION IN SCREEN DOOR EFFECT which has been achieved simply by moving the GVR another 1/4 inch from my face. I was looking at the Mars 360 photos and I thought, "Damn these look clear." Then I looked at some others and noticed the pixels all seemed about half the size they were previously. To really test it I loaded up The Hobbit in Oculus Cinema. WOW! SO much better. Again, pixels half the size. It makes sense. Your eyes are twice as far from the lenses so pixels half as big. Incredible.
The best analogy is that instead of feeling you are looking through a screen door, it looks like the image is projected on canvas. Much much more pleasant.
So apparently the biggest cause for the screen door effect on the GVR is it's just too damned close to your eyes. I also found focusing much easier and eye strain reduced - and oh yeah, face hurt less. I find the screen looks better with this mod if I wear the GVR a bit lower on my face as well.
Give it a try. Watch the Hobbit without the "double-stuff" then watch it with - you'll see the difference.
P.S., Some have commented that this will reduce your FOV and cause focus issues at the edges. Please remember that you are only moving 1/4 in from the lenses. IMHO there is no perceptible FOV loss and no additional focus problems at the edges. The only thing which changes is the image is so much better.
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Surely gone to try this, thanks a lot!
Aedriaen
Aedriaen said:
Surely gone to try this, thanks a lot!
Aedriaen
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Hey its worth a try since there is nothing permanent about the mod. Everyone's eyes work differently with the GVR but for me its made all the difference.
Aedriaen said:
Surely gone to try this, thanks a lot!
Aedriaen
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As a quick test tried pressing GVR harder against my face to see if pixels size increased and they did, dramatically so. Also noticed tiny increase in FOV, hardly worth it to endure the bigger pixels.
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As a quick test tried pressing GVR harder against my face to see if pixels size increased and they did, dramatically so. Also noticed tiny increase in FOV, hardly worth it to endure the bigger pixels.
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Just a clarification: the pixels are not changing size. You are looking through a concave lens. The further back you move, the less "magnified" the view becomes. It simply looks clearer because you are getting closer to the original resolution of the image by "zooming" less. If you really feel that they were a whole foam buffer off in how close the lenses should be for clear viewing, you should probably be telling Oculus. That is the sort of stuff they want to know when they release an "innovator" edition.
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Just a clarification: the pixels are not changing size. You are looking through a concave lens. The further back you move, the less "magnified" the view becomes. It simply looks clearer because you are getting closer to the original resolution of the image by "zooming" less. If you really feel that they were a whole foam buffer off in how close the lenses should be for clear viewing, you should probably be telling Oculus. That is the sort of stuff they want to know when they release an "innovator" edition.
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This is why the density solution will not work in this case. It does not apply.
twisted, if you own the GVR just for grins try my double-stuff solution and watch some movies. You'll see the difference.
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This is why the density solution will not work in this case. It does not apply.
twisted, if you own the GVR just for grins try my double-stuff solution and watch some movies. You'll see the difference.
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I know it isn't what you want to hear, but if enough people didn't find the lens placement "optimal" the way they are, the headset would have been designed with deeper lenses. There are others that have the same issue, but they are the exception. I, on the other hand, do not suffer from this "severe" issue. It has nothing to do with density. I think it's best left between you and your optometrist. Good luck.
The closer the better for me. The extra pad makes it too blurry for me. I think the gear vr pad around the nose was removed from first goam pad because it brings your face even closer.
I went ahead and tried both and couldn't find a good focal point for my eyes. Sadly it made it far worse for me. Awesome it works for you tho and was with a try for me. I wear contacts to see, then readers to see anything closer than 3 feet. Ha
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I went ahead and tried both and couldn't find a good focal point for my eyes. Sadly it made it far worse for me. Awesome it works for you tho and was with a try for me. I wear contacts to see, then readers to see anything closer than 3 feet. Ha
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Doubt it makes any noticeable difference (tried it myself and the experience/immersion was just way worse than normally and the pixels were just as visible). This did though give me an idea - to try the Gear VR without any padding at all in order to get it as close to your face as possible. Liked it a lot more and is worth a try if the pads that came with the device don't make for a comfortable fit for you (also a lot easier to get decent focus!). Btw. has anyone figured out a way to switch seats in the cinema without the controller? Setting up the sixaxis every time I want to watch a movie is a bit of a chore (want the screen to be as big as possible, and the front seat is the only one that offers anything like that). Don't really get why void cinema doesn't allow you to move closer and farther away from the "screen"(want it to fill my entire FOV).
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just for grins try my double-stuff solution and watch some movies. You'll see the difference.
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Ok, while I was in the Gear VR tonight, I made a point of trying to experience it through your eyes to understand what you are going at better. You know what? I did start to see it through your eyes and it only confirmed what I was saying for why you are not experiencing it like others are (as well as others that have posted with similar reactions, such as as the Official Oculus Forum where a member was very similarly disappointed for the same reasons.) You might have 20/20 vision, but you also might consider you have focus issues.
I had to start rejecting the focal point of the image and start staring at the pixels to see what you were seeing. I also kept moving the face plate away from my eyes and back to look for the pixel size change. After doing this for a few minutes where I ignored the image, my eyes began to obsess over the pixels, noting the RBG field, and was less able to focus on the actual image. Quite frankly, this is a like a person watching an old CRT TV while focusing on the pixels rather than the program overlaid on the screen. You could see those old pixels at a normal viewing distance from within a living room much as you perceive the Gear VR pixels. At any rate, because of the exercise it became distracting when I was trying to go back to focusing on the actual image while I was looking at 360 Photos. Just moving my head around I'd lose focus on the image and follow the pixels. Taking a break to reset will get me back to enjoying it.
This is why you are getting more resistance than agreement. You are focused on the wrong point and that is not what the majority does., but you aren't alone.
I'm about to spring for this watch, but all of the watchfaces I've seen online have a gap between the edges of the display and the edge of the screen. Between the larger screen size of my Moto 360 and that they do go to the edge of the screen, I am concerned that my old eyes will have trouble with both the smaller screen and the less than full display.
JimSmith94 said:
I'm about to spring for this watch, but all of the watchfaces I've seen online have a gap between the edges of the display and the edge of the screen. Between the larger screen size of my Moto 360 and that they do go to the edge of the screen, I am concerned that my old eyes will have trouble with both the smaller screen and the less than full display.
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I'd say the gap between the edge of the screen and the bezel is roughly 1mm, and the screen is higher resolution. I have a 360 also, and although I love the slightly larger edge display on it, I can't say it makes a huge difference.
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I'd say the gap between the edge of the screen and the bezel is roughly 1mm, and the screen is higher resolution. I have a 360 also, and although I love the slightly larger edge display on it, I can't say it makes a huge difference.
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Thanks for that. I've been watching some review videos of the Huawei watch too, and it doesn't have the gap that I can tell, plus it has a 1.4" screen instead of the 1.3" screen of the LG. I guess I'll wait for that one to come out before ditching my Moto 360.
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Thanks for that. I've been watching some review videos of the Huawei watch too, and it doesn't have the gap that I can tell, plus it has a 1.4" screen instead of the 1.3" screen of the LG. I guess I'll wait for that one to come out before ditching my Moto 360.
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Why ditch it? I'm on my 3rd watch now, and I truly like every one of them. I had over 10 'dumb' watches based solely on looks alone, but folks look at me crazy for having multiple smart watches. I've got different straps on each, and love each one of them. Unless you need the cash from flipping it, don't limit yourself!
P.S. The beautiful thing about Wear 1.1 is that you can be connected to multiple watches at the same time. You used to have to continuously pair and unpair individual watches, but now you can stay connected to multiple devices, so it's literally pick up the one you want and roll out. Makes it even more appealing to own more than one.
Are you guys experiencing light bleed from the edges of your Note 8 screen. I just got my Tmobile Note 8 yesterday.
Wow...
I was hoping to god this wasn't gonna happen again.. I hated this so much with the Note 7 -_-
It isn't bad at all when the brightness is lowered, but looks absolutely disgusting when using the phone for GPS at night.
Last thing I want is for a $1500 phone to look cheap.
Apparently this is "natural" because of the glass and how it reflects light, BUT... all they had to do was wrap the black around it to block that reflective exit alone the edges.. But they didnt.
I may just take my note 8 back over this. I couldn't stand this on my note 7
OP, you should max the brightness, show a white image, and put a credit card on top of the screen and then take a picture.
Wow! I probably would have never noticed, but I do now. Thanks! I have a VZW but it doesn't seem near as bad as yours. Luckily my case covers it so I won't OCD over it, like the bubble I have in the bottom of my screen protector, going back to geek squad tomorrow. On my s7 edge I made them change it out 3 times. :angel:
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Wow! I probably would have never noticed, but I do now. Thanks! I have a VZW but it doesn't seem near as bad as yours. Luckily my case covers it so I won't OCD over it, like the bubble I have in the bottom of my screen protector, going back to geek squad tomorrow. On my s7 edge I made them change it out 3 times. :angel:
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You probably aren't noticing it because it takes a relatively bright image closer to the edge for it to appear.
View a white image with maxed brightness while covering the majority of the screen, and you will literally see a white ring around the edge of the phone.
Super damn annoying -_-
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You probably aren't noticing it because it takes a relatively bright image closer to the edge for it to appear.
View a white image with maxed brightness while covering the majority of the screen, and you will literally see a white ring around the edge of the phone.
Super damn annoying -_-
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After reading this post, I immediately took it out of the case, cranked the brightness up, turned the lights off, opened a web page, seen it! Aghhhh! On mine, it seems worst on the right side. Put it back in the case, took a shot, and now trying to forget it was ever there or my eyes will look for it every time, because it IS ANNOYING now that I KNOW it's there!
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After reading this post, I immediately took it out of the case, cranked the brightness up, turned the lights off, opened a web page, seen it! Aghhhh! On mine, it seems worst on the right side. Put it back in the case, took a shot, and now trying to forget it was ever there or my eyes will look for it every time, because it IS ANNOYING now that I KNOW it's there!
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Sorry
If it makes you feel better, its only noticeable when the brightness is at a decent level. Plus using a case will get rid of it entirely.
I'll probably whip out the microscope and apply a fine line of black paint along the edge of the glass lol.
I wonder when they're going to get rid of light bleed. I've literally had it on every device with a screen that I've ever owned.
I thought that OLED devices weren't backlit. Blah blah blah individual pixels lit. Isn't that supposed to be a selling point of OLED screens? Where does the light bleed come from?
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I wonder when they're going to get rid of light bleed. I've literally had it on every device with a screen that I've ever owned.
I thought that OLED devices weren't backlit. Blah blah blah individual pixels lit. Isn't that supposed to be a selling point of OLED screens? Where does the light bleed come from?
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It happens because the glass is still thick enough to allow light to travel along the inside and exit throughout the edges.
This is such an easy fix too, which is why I don't understand why this hasn't been fixed. All they have to do is literally wrap the glass around the edges with the same material they're using the the top and sides anyway..
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It happens because the glass is still thick enough to allow light to travel along the inside and exit throughout the edges.
This is such an easy fix too, which is why I don't understand why this hasn't been fixed. All they have to do is literally wrap the glass around the edges with the same material they're using the the top and sides anyway..
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Ahh, ok. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. It's different than the standard LCD light bleed then.
Hopefully I won't notice it much while it's in a case.
Zero light bleed on mine.
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cmart0125 said:
Are you guys experiencing light bleed from the edges of your Note 8 screen. I just got my Tmobile Note 8 yesterday.
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A blast from the past. Identical thread in the Note 7 and nearly all other forums concerning the 'edge screen design'.
It is not technically "Light bleed" That term is reserved for a phenomena (problem-fault) often common with IPS panels.
What you are seeing is......how can one write.......light escaping NOT into the screen as light bleed but light escaping from the screen.....There is a gap between the body and where the display ends, this tiny tiny tiny space, in certain situations, can indeed shine light OUT but not into the screen and there is a difference but both can be annoying IF we become OCD about it. I guess this situation is part of the edge experience? As suggested by peers, a case will stop such micro reflections or light escaping.
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A blast from the past. Identical thread in the Note 7 and nearly all other forums concerning the 'edge screen design'.
It is not technically "Light bleed" That term is reserved for a phenomena (problem-fault) often common with IPS panels.
What you are seeing is......how can one write.......light escaping NOT into the screen as light bleed but light escaping from the screen.....There is a gap between the body and where the display ends, this tiny tiny tiny space, in certain situations, can indeed shine light OUT but not into the screen and there is a difference but both can be annoying IF we become OCD about it. I guess this situation is part of the edge experience? As suggested by peers, a case will stop such micro reflections or light escaping.
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So this is a known issue with Galaxy phones?
I've never experienced it with the Note 7 or currently with the Galaxy S8 plus. Is this enough to get a replacement?
Wow, this thread is like dejavu, I had to really look for it with max brightness in a dark room to find it on both my note 7's. I didn't think it was a big deal but some did. If I get the note 8 I will look for it.
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It sounds like you might have to go through more than one replacement to get one that doesn't do it.
Just for fun, I always follow the release of the new iPhone on Macrumors each year, and there's always a huge light bleed thread. I know (now) that this is something completely different than what happens with these phones.. People over there go through numerous replacements to try and get a perfect screen. Many never get one.
I will have my phone in a case from day one, so I guess that I won't see this.
Mine's good... no light bleed at all.
I am getting no light bleed at all. Turned my screen all the way up on a white screen and no light bleed.
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None on my T-Mobile variant. I put a full white image up just to be sure.
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I'm not seeing any either even with the brightness turned all the way up and various bright pictures. There's a slight change in brightness but that's to be expected with the curve but nothing like the pictures.
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So this is a known issue with Galaxy phones?
I've never experienced it with the Note 7 or currently with the Galaxy S8 plus. Is this enough to get a replacement?
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at least one guy on another forum has reported his light bleed and is getting a replacement in exchange.
So maybe some were built with more of a "gap" there than others.
The way my luck with electronic devices works, I'll definitely have it. Glad that it won't be noticeable when it's in a case. I won't even look for it, because then I'll know it's there for sure and it will bug me.