Hey, was just wondering what settings you all have under Kernel Auditor in order to ensure 5 hours+ SOT. I personally have a dual core setup and have the other two cores kick in when the load gets to 90%, but this seems sort of sluggish now and I only get about 3.5-4 hours SOT and I don't play any games; just simple browsing and productivity. Others manage to get up to 5-6 hours SOT and I wonder how, I have NEVER been able to get this much. Standby is great though, 10 hours overnight and I lose only 3% battery. I am running on Pure Nexus Project ROM and latest Hells Core Kernel.
thats about the regular time I get outa mine. If I had to guess a lot of these 5+ hours are from watching videos or something that doesn't involve touching the screen. I've been using HC kernel with just zen decision on max performance settings and gpu on performance governor (since it idles 27mhz anyway might as well ramp up to full 600mhz for touches) for smoothness.
I have it setup that all my cores are on all the time, no hotplugging. ondemand/deadline, mpdecision disabled, fsync disabled. and I get 5+ hours sot every single day. no, I do not watch videos. but I do keep my brightness all the way down.
Hey, where do you go to disable fsync
aroy97 said:
Hey, where do you go to disable fsync
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it has to be an option in the kernel that youre using, at least the kernel has to expose it so that you can disable it. if its not xposed in general, then you cant disable it. im using despair kernel.
Try undervolting. Unless you severely under clock your cores you won't really see battery life improvement.
I keep my max CPU speed at 2803mhz. You might think "oh well if you're running higher frequencies then more battery drain". Not exactly. The difference between 2649mhz and 2803mhz will be negligible in terms of battery life so I'm seeing a slight performance increase with no significant battery loss. For example, on 2649mhz after a full day of normal usage I'd have about 49% battery life. On 2803mhz I'd have about 43%. I got a good performance increase and a more snappier device in terms of loading web pages, apps, opening documents etc so that extra 6% I lost doesn't matter to me, because its not significantly impacting me, I barely notice most of the time.
So yeah, the same goes for lowering CPU speeds to unless you significantly lower them. Putting max CPU speed to something like 2572mhz, you wouldn't even notice e the difference in battery. Now lowering it to like 1958mhz, or 2188mhz and you'll see a difference because at that point your severely under clocking.
You could also be draining your battery by hotplugging. That's why some people like Zen and MP Decision to keep all cores online when screen is on. If you use your device often, its better to have all cores running. If you don't and its kept in your pocket for hours at a time, hotplugging is the way to go.
Try under volting too. I do. Global Under Volt of -60.
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Try undervolting. Unless you severely under clock your cores you won't really see battery life improvement.
I keep my max CPU speed at 2803mhz. You might think "oh well if you're running higher frequencies then more battery drain". Not exactly. The difference between 2649mhz and 2803mhz will be negligible in terms of battery life so I'm seeing a slight performance increase with no significant battery loss. For example, on 2649mhz after a full day of normal usage I'd have about 49% battery life. On 2803mhz I'd have about 43%. I got a good performance increase and a more snappier device in terms of loading web pages, apps, opening documents etc so that extra 6% I lost doesn't matter to me, because its not significantly impacting me, I barely notice most of the time.
So yeah, the same goes for lowering CPU speeds to unless you significantly lower them. Putting max CPU speed to something like 2572mhz, you wouldn't even notice e the difference in battery. Now lowering it to like 1958mhz, or 2188mhz and you'll see a difference because at that point your severely under clocking.
You could also be draining your battery by hotplugging. That's why some people like Zen and MP Decision to keep all cores online when screen is on. If you use your device often, its better to have all cores running. If you don't and its kept in your pocket for hours at a time, hotplugging is the way to go.
Try under volting too. I do. Global Under Volt of -60.
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undervolting doesnt really save you battery, but it does reduce heat. and hotplugging or having all your cores on doesnt really factor in when you dont use your device that much. as, if you have all your cores on or hotplugging, your phone should be in deep sleep anyways. it does make a difference when your phone is awake. i get much better battery life when all my cores are on all the time.
Should there be a sticky of suggested settings of differing requirements of speed, battery life, etc?
ronaldheld said:
Should there be a sticky of suggested settings of differing requirements of speed, battery life, etc?
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honestly, I don't think so. as the settings/setup used is always dependent on how you actually use the device. and many people have different opinions on how it should be set up.
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Hello, anyone know how to configure setcpu to save the battery while maintaining a smooth flow of the phone?
I saw that we could create "rules": those who did, can you post your configuration.
Thank you
Yes, i've good settings!
Profile: Auto-detect
Max 998400
Min 245000
CPU Governor On demand
Set on boot checked
Profiles on
Sleep/standby enabled
Max 245
Min 245
Battery profiles
Power <30%
768 Max
245 Min
These are same settings as teknologist have. This is the man who did the kernel for MCR ROMs. In my eyes he is a god in this things. So I belive him full!
see this and I think should be added here. http://www.pokedev.com/setcpu/
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Yes, i've good settings!
Profile: Auto-detect
Max 998400
Min 245000
CPU Governor On demand
Set on boot checked
Profiles on
Sleep/standby enabled
Max 245
Min 245
Battery profiles
Power <30%
768 Max
245 Min
These are same settings as teknologist have. This is the man who did the kernel for MCR ROMs. In my eyes he is a god in this things. So I belive him full!
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With this configuration, you save the battery?
If yu wanna have the longest battery time, just use all 245/245 Mhz.
But this makes no sense.
I think you wanna have it between battery/speed, isn't it?
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If yu wanna have the longest battery time, just use all 245/245 Mhz.
But this makes no sense.
I think you wanna have it between battery/speed, isn't it?
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obviously! I want my battery will hold at least two days! I will try your setup throughout the weekend and I'll make a return Monday.
thx
tcastel said:
obviously! I want my battery will hold at least two days! I will try your setup throughout the weekend and I'll make a return Monday.
thx
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Don't hold your breath. Im being serious here. It wont last unless it sits in standby most of the time and then you're still pushing it.
Spend the 25$ extra and get a second battery.
2 DAYS?! Let me know if you are able to accomplish that somehow! I've tried everything; ROMS, Kernels, Juice Defender, SetCPU, anything you can think of and about the best I can get is 15-16 hours with moderate to heavy usage. I think I am actually going to buy a spare battery today.
.. that's not hard to do, 2days... even more.
Just stop all apps to update, stop auto sync, stop background sync...
you will be surprised*
I knocked down my cpu to 500 or so in all conditions, phone still feels responsive.
If you want two days, turn off 3g, turn off sync, turn off brightness. You'll not only get great battery life but a $600 dumbphone to boot!
this is what you need to do...
sleep/standby 245min 245 max cpu governer: powersave
charging 245min 883 max cpu governer: on demand
'normal': 460min 998max cpu governer: conservative
if u find that with normal use the phone isnt as snappy as it used to be, and this bothers u, then change the cpu governer back to on demand for the normal profile.
i've had amazing battery life since i tried these settings.
Also....some apps prevent the phone from sleeping so keep an eye out if ur battery is just literally disappearing!
Setting the max too low on any profile is not a good idea. This can cause tasks to take too long to complete and queues and memory to fill. This can make your phone unstable and arguably increase battery usage due to increased management overheads.
Some overhead above minimum is always preferable. I would consider anything less than 245/576 quite extreme and normally undesirable.
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Setting the max too low on any profile is not a good idea. This can cause tasks to take too long to complete and queues and memory to fill. This can make your phone unstable and arguably increase battery usage due to increased management overheads.
Some overhead above minimum is always preferable. I would consider anything less than 245/576 quite extreme and normally undesirable.
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yeah i heard about this but i have never encountered any problems. obviously its different for everyone but i would say try 245/245...if your getting too much drain with the phone on standby then use 245/576 with on demand governor.
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Yes, i've good settings!
Profile: Auto-detect
Max 998400
Min 245000
CPU Governor On demand
Set on boot checked
Profiles on
Sleep/standby enabled
Max 245
Min 245
Battery profiles
Power <30%
768 Max
245 Min
These are same settings as teknologist have. This is the man who did the kernel for MCR ROMs. In my eyes he is a god in this things. So I belive him full!
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I do not see much difference!!
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I do not see much difference!!
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To be honest everyone "thinks" you can see a night and say difference just by tweaking the clock's and installing more efficient kernels. You can't and wont.
Those things may save you 5-10% over the course of a day but don't expect miracles. If you look at your battery history information you'll see that the system and any CPU related item can become relatively low doing all the efficiency modifications yet the battery still poops too soon.
Now look at the display. Thats where it's all going and as far as I know there is nothing anyone can do about that on our side. I run with the display back lighting 100% OFF and it still shows at a HUGE portion of my energy use. ~50% and sometimes more.
The day we get more efficient screen technology is the day we will be able to possibly use these things for 2 days on one charge... Either that or more powerful battery technology.
You know guys, I only have 3 scales on the application. Userspace, ondemand, and performance. I also have no idea what Priority means and how high or low to put them for a good profile! What do I do?
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You know guys, I only have 3 scales on the application. Userspace, ondemand, and performance. I also have no idea what Priority means and how high or low to put them for a good profile! What do I do?
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Set a default scaling type that suits you, typically On Demand or Uberspace and then set up your profiles. All of your profiles can use the same scaling (mine do).
The set your profile priorities in the order you want them to apply, 100 is the highest priority. For example, you might want the phone to run with less overclock when the battery is low and you want this condition to apply all of the time then you would give it a higher priority than other rules so it always executes. A better example might be a temperature profile. If the phone is hot you want to clock it down and want this to NEVER be overridden by another profile then you would set this to very high (say 99) so it could NOT be substituted by another rule.
Ever since I flashed the 213 leak, battery life has been a bit disappointing. To help things along, I downloaded SetCPU (haven't used it since my good ole OG Droid) and let it autodetect settings. To my surprise the governor was set to 'interactive' instead of hotplug like it was on stock GB.
My understanding is that hotplug allows the phone to disable unneeded cores during periods of low utilization, while interactive does not (although both cores can be disabled when the phone is sleeping). Do you think switching to hotplug from interactive will improve battery life?
My battery life is much better since switching, but I also disabled 4G (on WiFi most of the time) and added screen off and low battery profiles (600mhz and 800mhz max respectively) which muddy the waters a bit. I thought I would mention it on here for those of you who feel the same, it might be an easy way to improve battery life on the leak.
That's interesting. I've been using the .213 leak and my battery life has been quite good. I haven't noticed any particular drop in battery life, and I keep 4G on all the time. If I don't use my phone much, it's not uncommon for me to have 60% left at the end of the day.
Do you use anything like SetCPU? I am wondering whether I can confirm that the default governor of the leak does not shut off one of the CPUs when it is idle. If nobody can confirm I'll get around to checking it myself this weekend :laugh:
Sorry, I haven't messed with my cpu settings.
im just wondering how much does the governerr effect battary life? i changed from ondemand to smartass2 and im not sure i see any diffrent...
and im scheduales which one is best for multitasking and which is for when playing games?
and should i change the governerr setting?
i also read that sleep_ideal_frequency should be 200 and not 100 beacuse 100 wastes more or something like that, is that true?
using galaxy i9000 semaphore kernal jb
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I use Performance governor all the time for 3 months now, battery life is same as on demand, smartass v2 or any other governor, except my phone lags much rarely than on any other govenor. For those that dont know, CPU of PC, your phone, calculator or anything else always works at 100% of its frequency even it has no work to do (Let's take for example your PC, even cpu usage is 5%, CPU still works at full frequency, the same works for your phone), so to me there is no point of any other governor except for Performance. If you have problem with battery life, it's mostly your screen. When I drain out my battery, my battery mostly get drained by screen (70-90%), I use about 0-30% of brightness always. Screen of 60-100% brightness will probably drain your phone's battery in 2-3 hours.
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I use Performance governor all the time for 3 months now, battery life is same as on demand, smartass v2 or any other governor, except my phone lags much rarely than on any other govenor. For those that dont know, CPU of PC, your phone, calculator or anything else always works at 100% of its frequency even it has no work to do (Let's take for example your PC, even cpu usage is 5%, CPU still works at full frequency, the same works for your phone), so to me there is no point of any other governor except for Performance. If you have problem with battery life, it's mostly your screen. When I drain out my battery, my battery mostly get drained by screen (70-90%), I use about 0-30% of brightness always. Screen of 60-100% brightness will probably drain your phone's battery in 2-3 hours.
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This is so wrong its a pain to read.:banghead: Why do we have the max and min frequency options in the semaphore app? Why do we have "Max Performance" and "Max Battery" power settings on laptops?
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There was a thread some while ago that concluded in OnDemand and Performance being to two to give longest battery life and best performance.
I don't have specifics or even a link, but the thread was about schedulers and governors and which went together for best performance and battery life. I'm sure it's google'able
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i found that thread but im just wondering how much battary life is wasted if i prefer preformence?
lets say i use smarassv2 since its faster will my phone drain lets say insted 20%\hour - 22%\hour? or is it more then that?
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i found that thread but im just wondering how much battary life is wasted if i prefer preformence?
lets say i use smarassv2 since its faster will my phone drain lets say insted 20%\hour - 22%\hour? or is it more then that?
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maybe you can try and tell us
There should be a significant impact regarding battery life when using Performance for example. But it also depends on what you are used to. If you play games all the time or do heavy tasks, the governor will kick the CPU to 100% all the time anyway. But if you mostly surf on the Internet or read texts there's no need to let the CPU go rampage.
Oh and Btw: Modern CPUs in notebooks or computers in general clock themselves down as well when they're idle.
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There should be a significant impact regarding battery life when using Performance for example. But it also depends on what you are used to. If you play games all the time or do heavy tasks, the governor will kick the CPU to 100% all the time anyway. But if you mostly surf on the Internet or read texts there's no need to let the CPU go rampage.
Oh and Btw: Modern CPUs in notebooks or computers in general clock themselves down as well when they're idle.
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I do use internet mostly so what will be the most effective governerr any idea?
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I do use internet mostly so what will be the most effective governerr any idea?
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Try OnDemand or SmartAssV2.
I've received Nexus 6 from FlipKart, Its great but two major concerns:
1. Screen is very yellow (warm color) and on reducing brightness it becomes magenta. When compared to any other phone including Nexus 5, its extremely yellow. Tried couple of apps, none of them do a good job of fixing the yellows. Did anyone find a good app/setting to calibrate this screen right?
2. Battery life is pathetic: From 100% to 10% in half day. SOT is barely 3 - 3.5 hours (Greenified Facebook, Encryption off), no gaming, where as my friend gets 5hours. Sometimes phone hangs and switches off. When I switch on, it looses 15% battery. It has only been charged 2-3 times (only got it 2 days ago). Does it get better with time? or Am I having a faulty battery?
Update: forgot to mention my phone shuts down at 28% battery. And it didn't boot at all. I realized battery was zero. Is this calibration issue? Or bad battery
Flash elementalx, you'll be able to change color values and battery life is great
1. You can change your RGB using any kernel with support to it. Almost every single kernel have support to RGB LCD KCAL. Use a app such as Trickster to modify the RGB once you flashed a kernel of your choosing.
2. Battery life is subjective to how you use your device. Just because someone was able to achieve 5 hours+ SOT doesn't mean you will either because there are way too many factors that play into effect such as: cellular signal strength, wakelocks, apps installed, etc. If you want to maximize your battery life, look into underclocking the CPU/GPU frequency and flash a custom kernel (e.g. Franco) that removes mpdecision. Mpdecision is a huge battery drain and the frequencies that it selects is completely random and unnecessary in my opinion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57808725&postcount=7 my battery life with Franco pre-r1.
I agree that mpdecision really does drain battery a lot. I have mine OVERCLOCKED to 2.88 ghz with sensei kernel and intelliplug. And I am still getting way better battery life than stock. Just flash this kernel with intelliplug and there goes your battery issues. And you can also adjust your screen colors.
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I agree that mpdecision really does drain battery a lot. I have mine OVERCLOCKED to 2.88 ghz with sensei kernel and intelliplug. And I am still getting way better battery life than stock. Just flash this kernel with intelliplug and there goes your battery issues. And you can also adjust your screen colors.
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For more elaboration on mpdecision,
All Qualcomm based phones have Qualcomm prorprietary userspace binary called "mpdecision" aka m(ake)p(oor)decision. Instead of letting the kernel itself to decide what frequencies and how many cores to run, this "mpdecsion" binary polls the kernel run queue statistics and decides for the whole system the "optimal" frequency and the "optimal" number of cores to use. The concept is fine, except the decision making is done in userspace and it's 100% closed source so there's no way to tweak it and there's a latency (because all userspace binaries needs to "poll" the kernel for the latest information which is slightly delayed). - faux123
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In other words, mpdecision makes your phone sit at 1.5GHz for doing the most simplest tasks, even composing a email it'll bring your frequency to be at 1.5GHz.
Download CPU Spy and use your phone, then look at CPU Spy and you'll see how much time is spent in that frequency. Then flash another kernel that does not use mpdecision then you'll see the difference, the phone sits at frequencies that makes sense for the load that is on the device.
The alternative solutions would be, Franco's Hotplugging Algorithm or intelliplug by Faux.
Battery life is very subjective.
I am still 100% stock, encrypted, auto brightness and get over 6 hours SOT every charge. Mainly WiFi, some LTE. No gaming.
I will root and switch to another kernel when I have time and see the difference. I would expect more battery.
However if you are only at 2.5 hours SOT on a full charge, I wouldn't expect it to double just by changing kernels.
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Battery life is very subjective.
I am still 100% stock, encrypted, auto brightness and get over 6 hours SOT every charge. Mainly WiFi, some LTE. No gaming.
I will root and switch to another kernel when I have time and see the difference. I would expect more battery.
However if you are only at 2.5 hours SOT on a full charge, I wouldn't expect it to double just by changing kernels.
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Thats so impossible. I've switched to 2G only but i run on Wifi all time and yet 1 day standby and 3.5hrs SOT.
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1. You can change your RGB using any kernel with support to it. Almost every single kernel have support to RGB LCD KCAL. Use a app such as Trickster to modify the RGB once you flashed a kernel of your choosing.
2. Battery life is subjective to how you use your device. Just because someone was able to achieve 5 hours+ SOT doesn't mean you will either because there are way too many factors that play into effect such as: cellular signal strength, wakelocks, apps installed, etc. If you want to maximize your battery life, look into underclocking the CPU/GPU frequency and flash a custom kernel (e.g. Franco) that removes mpdecision. Mpdecision is a huge battery drain and the frequencies that it selects is completely random and unnecessary in my opinion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57808725&postcount=7 my battery life with Franco pre-r1.
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Impressive! I'm trying ElementalX kernel right now. Is it safe to switch-off MP-decision on that using trickster or shall I go with franco blind folded.
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Thats so impossible. I've switched to 2G only but i run on Wifi all time and yet 1 day standby and 3.5hrs SOT.
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Well, not impossible as it has been that way on my phone since day 1.
But i agree that it is really odd how some people are getting 3 hours and others getting 6.
I had the opposite on my Note 4 though. Everyone got 6 and I got 4. So who knows?
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Impressive! I'm trying ElementalX kernel right now. Is it safe to switch-off MP-decision on that using trickster or shall I go with franco blind folded.
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You only want to disable MPDecision if theres a alternative. For Franco, mpdecision is 100% removed so you don't need to disable anything.
I don't know ElementalX so I can't say, ask in their thread. If you use Franco, everything is done for you and you don't need to do anything on your part.
My battery life with LK is pretty good as well! I was able to tether for 10 hours straight and still had 22% left after sleeping ~8 hours.
I'm totally a rookie for modify the kernel, but i wish to get better battery life for my nexus 6. So i read often that changing the CPU Maximal/Minimum Frequency - for example for the franco.kernel or Lean Kernel or other kernel - almost everybody get a better battery life and no wake locks. At the moment i use the nexus 6 stock with no custom software, but the battery life isn't very good.
My questions now: How can i setting the right CPU Maximal/Minimum Frequency for the franco.kernel or Lean Kernel or other Custom Kernel? Are there specific apps? And the most important question: Which are the right numbers to set for the CPU Frequency?
Thanks. :good:
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I'm totally a rookie for modify the kernel, but i wish to get better battery life for my nexus 6. So i read often that changing the CPU Maximal/Minimum Frequency - for example for the franco.kernel or Lean Kernel or other kernel - almost everybody get a better battery life and no wake locks. At the moment i use the nexus 6 stock with no custom software, but the battery life isn't very good.
My questions now: How can i setting the right CPU Maximal/Minimum Frequency for the franco.kernel or Lean Kernel or other Custom Kernel? Are there specific apps? And the most important question: Which are the right numbers to set for the CPU Frequency?
Thanks. :good:
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first off, questions go into the q&a/help threads, not general. and there are many cpu control apps to use, some free, some paid. thats the way for you to setup your cpu anyways you feel like. and there is no such thing as the right numbers, you need to find the right numbets for your use. me, i overclock to 3033mhz, and still see 5.5-6.5 hours of sot.
Thank you!
You shouldn't necessarily change the minimum and maximum frequencies because they won't necessarily save you battery.
When you look at the mex frequency of 2650 MHz, that's how many clock cycles there are per second. 2,650,000.
Every task you do on your phone will complete within an amount of clock cycles. Let's make some things up to illustrate this. Let's pretend that it takes Facebook app 5,000, 000 clock cycles to open. That means it would take nearly 2 seconds. If you set your Mac CPU frequency to half of stock, that app is going to take twice the time to open. The question is, will running running at 1267 MHz for 4 seconds use less energy than 2650 MHz for 2 seconds?
Looking at the voltage table for elementalx, the stock voltages are 890mV and 1110mV so it seems to me that since the voltage for half the max frequency is a lot higher than half the voltage of max frequency, running a task for twice as long would use more energy than max.
Surely, there will be tasks that take significantly fewer cycles than max frequency, so in those instances it may seem a bit more balanced, but its one of those things you're going to have to just try for yourself. Some people seem to get better battery though personally I'm not tempted.
Thank you, too! Now i understand.
Should I flash only the Lean Kernel or franco.Kernel and then look again at the battery life? Is this enough to get a better battery life on my device?
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Thank you, too! Now i understand.
Should I flash only the Lean Kernel or franco.Kernel and then look again at the battery life? Is this enough to get a better battery life on my device?
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no. kernels generally wont give you better battery life, but they can help you. battery life is dependent on how you use your device, how you set up your device, what apps you installed and use, your brightness, and the quality of your phone/data connection. and much more other things that weigh in less then these on nattery life.
some apps you install can be badly written, and take lots of battery, even though you rarely use. dropping brightness can increase your battery life. i keep my brightness below 15% usually. if i raise it to 35-40%, ill see a whole hour less screen on time.