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I just bought a new, sealed unit a few days ago. The last remaining stock left over in Aus. As soon as I turned on the camera I quickly realised something was a bit off.
I know they never had amazing camera quality to begin with, but mine is, a lot messier, than what I have seen in other units up until now.
My friend also has a I9000, and I used his a few times but mind you only checked out the camera for a total of 10-15 seconds (which is what persuaded me the galaxy S had a good camera), but that was enough for me to immediately spot a significant difference in mine. I then did a thorough test between mine and his and confirmed this. I also looked at some phones in stores.
Is this common of the newer model/last remaining stock?
Or should I try get it replaced for another one?
It seems about 30-40% worse in general.
I made sure to first reset and then check all camera settings.
The results seem consistent.
Here is my phone and my friends. Both taken at exactly the same moment, settings, etc side by side.
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Running 2.2 On Voda firmware. All stock.
Anyway I spoke to the retailer where I signed up to a contract from and they said, the camera looks fine to me. He took a few photos and said it was all in order.
It seems they would only consider replacing it is if the camera doesn't work at all?
Isn't there a level of quality control?
The retailer said if we send it of for repairs they will just inspect it, say its fine and return the same one to you again, just in worse condition.
I haven't even used the phone since I got it 5 days ago, as a major reason to get it was a decent camera. At the moment its worse/the same as all my old 1.3-5mp phones from 5 years ago.
Any ideas? Does it qualify for warranty/another unit?
by seeing the images, i feel the resolution setting for your cam is to blame. go to settings and check whether its full (2560*1920)
Looks like it's on one of the mode settings.
I suspect low quality camera sensor. Hmmm big diference... i'll check mine tonight, you make me curious.
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by seeing the images, i feel the resolution setting for your cam is to blame. go to settings and check whether its full (2560*1920)
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If you read the post he states that they used identical settings and each pic has it's resolution on it, they are all the same resolution.
There's definitely a big difference in quality though, the lighting is way different in the two phones. Never seen that big a difference before on the 3 phones I've used.
Yes its definitely identical settings guys.
The lighting differences seem like the software is trying to make up for the fact the camera is delivering a poor image, and turns up the iso and changes color balance etc.
I actually first posted this on android forums before I took any action, before I knew of this forum, but they don't seem that keen on hardware as here.
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/333683-did-my-new-galaxy-s-come-dodgy-camera.html
You can look at that link for a better sized comparison. The pics on there arranged nicer.
Anyway I called up samsung, told them of my issue.
They basically said I should contact the nearest service center. They said its Fonebiz in Rockdale on the Princess HWY. Pretty close to me.
When the lady on the phone found out its only a few days old and I am not using it because of the issue, she said if its under 20 days I can contact the place where I bought it from and get another one on the spot.
Well as I said the guy at the shop completely missed the point, tested out the camera in a few shots and started comparing it to other brands of phones.
He said any difference I notice could be because of different camera batches which is of course true, but I still think the difference is too big, especially since a better camera was one of the biggest reasons for me to upgrade phones. Not to mention you have to compare Galaxy S vs Galaxy S, as I did.
Do you guys have any recommendations/contacts etc? I think I will just walk into Fonebiz and see what they say, but I don't know if I want a refurbished unit to replace essentially a new phone.
I think that the "good" phone was aimed more at the light source hence the slight changes in exposure etc etc.
I would not judge a phone camera in a dim room anyway, but i would not change it just yet.
Come on its a phone the camera's are either poor or really poor at best.
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I had problems with my camera. Its focus was bad. I found it much better if you tap the area of the photo you wish to focus on and only when it goes green take the shot.
Why don't you take both off auto, and set them both to the same iso settings and check the difference then. This would give a better indication of software vs hardware.
Yes, te same ****y quality i have on my sgs.
Iso auto (400)
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I notice autofocus seems got impoved in gingerbread.
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There must be differences then.
Mine at ISO 400, standard scene, using stock camera (JVH ginga), handheld, with auto contrast ON and image stabilisation OFF.
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Full res here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mc1d5_bicjU0fhJaNZJehAaai0htwUKheDFpOU8DCYE?feat=directlink
Oh - there is a difference! The focal length varies - 3.5mm and 3.8mm. They must be different lens/sensor units!
Anyone with 3.8mm... bad news... but 3.5mm might be better??
Ok, so I had a chance to set the settings all to manual as was suggested.
To cut it short, regardless of the settings, when they are the matched and the phones are put side by side to take the same shot, his one captures more light and less noise. I guess they go hand in hand.
So a scene that looks completely dark on my camera(i.e black, no detail coming through), will be actually be clearly visible but with a lot of noise on his one.
A scene that looks barely visible on mine, will be fairly visible with a lot less noise on his one.
A scene that looks fully well lit with little noise on his one, will look like its a little dark on mine with a little noise.
I think you get the point. I guess what the software was doing in mine on auto is to compensate for the lack of light being captured, it turns the iso up, this introducing even more noise and off color etc.
One last thing, which I am curious to find more info about
It say on the back of my phone, MADE IN VIETNAM, and on his one MADE IN KOREA.
I had no idea they switched manufacture plants like that, nor had I come across any info on the sgs about that.
True story.
so It looks like I probably won't/cant be bothered to try exchange the phone, even though it is still within 14 days of purchase...sigh
The new one could be the same, and I may get one without a bootloader, and my current one has one etc. Heck I may even get a refurb.
this is such a good topic for me....
i have the same problem as you i did not compare with other sgs phone but i have never managed to get nice pictures indoors with this camera....
only if there is ALLOT of light the pics turn out ok nothing outstanding.
i played with all possible settings and yet nothing looks good.
i hate to admit it and sad too but the sgs camera is very ****ty imo...
its always more yellow and the colors turn out bad
also when i picture indoor with a little light in the room and night scene the pics are too dark.
this camera is a joke sadly
mine is made in Korea... so useless
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Oh - there is a difference! The focal length varies - 3.5mm and 3.8mm. They must be different lens/sensor units!
Anyone with 3.8mm... bad news... but 3.5mm might be better??
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Mine's 3.5, my pics are fine, but I mostly use it outdoors, lots of natural light.
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Mine's 3.5, my pics are fine, but I mostly use it outdoors, lots of natural light.
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Could you take an indoors photo sometime and post it here? Try set it to ISO400, as that's what most of the pics here seem to be, so we can compare. As long it's indoor, ISO400, and you don't shake the camera we should get a basic idea of quality.
So... Korea (3.5mm focal length) = good
Vietnam (3.8mm focal length) = you're screwed
If the angle of view is the same, theoretically, the Vietnam ones have a bigger sensor (same megapixels, but bigger sensor area), which normally means better image.
But in this case the lens might be really rubbish.
Mine is Vietnam 3.8mm too and pretty poor in dim light.
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Could you take an indoors photo sometime and post it here? Try set it to ISO400, as that's what most of the pics here seem to be, so we can compare. As long it's indoor, ISO400, and you don't shake the camera we should get a basic idea of quality.
So... Korea (3.5mm focal length) = good
Vietnam (3.8mm focal length) = you're screwed
If the angle of view is the same, theoretically, the Vietnam ones have a bigger sensor (same megapixels, but bigger sensor area), which normally means better image.
But in this case the lens might be really rubbish.
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Will do, I'll try to have a pic up tommorrow
as I said, mine is made in korea with 3.8mm so the country doesn't count.
The Huawei P8 is the brand new high range model presented by the Chinese company in May, a device with which doubtless they are pointing high, for its design and finished as well as for the chosen hardware.
We must bear in mind the big bet they did with the previous model (P7) which achieved quite poor results. By the other hand I must also say that those results were understandable due to the difference of performance with the main phones from the competitors.
Huawei is a very big and consolidated company, although not precisely known by being a smartphone manufacturer. A market where they've been working for years, improving yes. But not yet giving the stroke.
They are in fact missing something that other Chinese manufacturers (much smaller and unknown) are already doing: present a real flagship phone.
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If we look around the other brands, from the big players (Samsung Galaxy S6Edge, Apple iPhone 6 Plus, LG G4, Sony Xperia Z4/Z5, Lumia Cityman...) to the small and last arriving to the battle field (Xiaomi Mi Note Pro, OnePlus One, Meizu MX 4 Pro, uleFone BeTouch 2, Elephone P8000, UMI Iron...) they all have a unique device representing the company values and... all that the company is able to achieve (technologically and in terms of design speaking). So... why is Huawei taking so long? But most important, will the P8 be a real and worthy candidate?
Design
The new design is very different from the one used on the P7, they go away from the use of crystal surfaces and come closer to the trend of metal, each time more common in high range terminals.
In the front, the screen takes almost all the space (71,63% ratio screen-front), with the secondary camera, the light sensor and the speaker on the top... and without any physical button on the bottom part.
The left side is completely naked, nothing in there. Leaving the volume and power/lock buttons on the right side, where we will also find the slots for memory (microSD) and SIM. On the bottom side we have the plug for the USB cable and the hands free speaker, so we will find the jack connector for audio on the top side.
When we turn it down, on the rear part we find just the main camera (one of this device's treasures), which is completely integrated into the surface, not protruding even a little, together with the dual LED flash on the top, and the Huawei logo in the middle area.
The finished on aluminum results very elegant and fits very well on the hand, although the truth is that due to its big size of 5,2”, we will need both hands to manage comfortably the phone. Must also say that with just6,4mm of thickness the P8 takes the tittle of thinnest of its category.
Hardware
All the manufacturers have smarten up in the last months. Starting with the 64 bits processors that enhance the Android Lollipop experience and of course a good dose of RAM memory to ensure a good performance at every moment.
Model P8
OS Android 5.0 with EMUI 3.1
Processor Huawei HiSilicon Kirin 930, Octa core with 4 cores @2GHz and 4 more @ 1,5GHz
GPU Mali-T628 MP4
RAM 3GB
Screen 5,2” IPS LCD FullHD 1920x1080, offering a density of 424ppi with 16M colors
Storage 16GB of internal memory, expandable via microSD card
Cameras Main camera of 13 Mpx, OIS, sensor RBGW, Image Signal processor DSLR-level, 1080p video recording/1080p video playback; F2.0; Flash color temperature dual. 8 Mpx for the front camera
Connectivity Wi-Fi 2.4GHz b/g/n with Wi-Fi Direct support // BT 4.1+LE // MicroUSB (Hi-speed USB) ; TDD LTE: B38/B39/B40/B41 (2555MHz~2655MHz) // FDD LTE:B1/B3/B4/B7 // UMTS: 850/900/1700/1900/2100MHz(B8/B5/B4/B2/B1) // GSM :850/900/1800/1900MHz
Other sensors GPS/A-GPS/Glonass/BDS(BeiDou Navigation Satellite System)
G-Sensor, Gyroscope, Ambient light Sensor, Proximity Sensor, Compass, Accelerometer
Battery 2680mAh
Dimensions 144.9x72.1x6.4mm
Weight 144gr
Price Between 499€ y 520€.
What probably attires the most my attention is the use of a proprietary SoC (System on Chip), instead of using the popular Qualcomm Snapdragon or the (almost equally popular) more economic and with good performance MTK from Mediatek. This can be a very profitable point for Huawei, since if it works well, it will provide a great performance for the P8 , but also will show the sector that the Chinese brand can made competitive SoC, providing them with more revenue if other brands bet for using them.
Use, performance and battery
As starting point, outline that it comes with Android Lollipop 5.0, however it's equipped with the last version of Huawei customization layer, called EMUI 3.1.
From the first EMUI versions, the improvement on fluency and suer experience has been notorious, in addition to that, they have included (or improved) a few applications. However it also implies that we will find duplicated tasks and apps in our Android (something that not only happens with EMUI), meaning a bigger load of our system.
The truth is this can happen with any launcher we install, so while the performance and agility of the smartphone are good, it means no problem. Just remember that Android updates will take more time to reach us.
In the case of EMUI, it brings us an extra number of options to the ones included on any Android, so at the end we will have much more ways to adapt the device to our likes.
One of the main characteristics of this P8, comes precisely from its processor. Kirin 930 has the connectivity very present, so in every moment it can calculate and change to the network (data or wifi) which gives us more speed. For that, Huawei has equipped this model with 2 independent antennas, one of the top the other on the bottom, allowing the network change to be very fast.
Regarding the performance, the 64 bits of the Kirin 930 offer very high results, scoring higher than other models like the Galaxy Note S4 on AnTuTu benchmarks, and so, showing it can talks on equal terms to any terminal (mounting Exynos or Snapdragon). All the games, as well as FullHD videos are played smoothly... well with that hardware the remarkable news good be to have some kind of lag.
The 5,2” FullHD screen, maybe perceived as a weak point since other flagship models are starting to mount QHD panels. Nonetheless, viewing the clear quality of the image and the real density of pixels that we receive (424ppi) the experience is more than satisfactory, and surely it impacts on a lower power consumption.
Talking about the battery, after having tested a few smartphones with different battery capacity, I daresay 2680mAh are perhaps few. I have no doubts we will reach the end of the day, but a device of this category could easily have pointed to cross the 3000mAh barrier and, I'm sure any user would mind sacrificing a few tenths thick for that reason. Even though, Huawei promises one day and a half with standard usage.
Something to have in mind is that obviously when we demand it a lot (gaming or doing Skype for example) it becomes hotter, as well as any other smartphone. In this case, since it has that nice metal body and being so thin, the heat is distributed all over the smartphone surface, giving more feeling of warming than with other devices.
Cameras
This is, each time more, a critical point on every smartphone coming to the market. In order to achieve better results, manufacturers are choosing good sensors like the Sony IMX214. Nonetheless, we've already seen in many other cases that the sensor is not everything to take good pictures, imaging software is as important or even more (does anyone question the quality of 8Mpx sensor in the iPhone?)
In this case, Huawei has not share who's manufacturing the sensor or the camera, so we will simply focus on the result achieved by those 13Mpx.
The P8 comes with a optical stabilizer and has a few other improvements for low-light conditions, ultra fast shooting, or shooting without unlocking the device, time-lapse, panoramic pictures, etc. I cannot but congratulate them for the results shown, specially good when doing macro pictures. In general very sharp pictures almost without noise. True that the quality level delivered in the photography area was already very high with the Ascen Mate 7.
Even those low-light situations where almost all Chinese phones get out badly, the P8 takes very worthy pictures.
However, colors don't always look like I see on the reality, i t may be due to the dynamic range... or maybe because of the screen, in any case it's a clear point to improve.
Selfie lovers will be delighted with the 8Mpx front camera, in addition to the good quality , the device recognizes its owner face, and if we have enabled it, apply automatically some face-beauty filters when it detects it.
Finally, something very curious (and funny) is the function known as “light-painting”, capable of capturing the light during a pre-stablished time. So we can capture cars lights, stars moving,... or even what we draw using a lantern.
Conclusions
Huawei has chosen it as its 2015 flagship smartphone, so it's clear enough they have put all their talent on it, building a very serious and powerful device that can fearless face the main players of the season.
I have already mentioned the good performance, the screen quality and the great pictures we can take. In addition, the clear design and the metal finish give a premium image.
But (there are always buts), there are a few points to improve, starting by EMUI... which is not new. Every customization layer brings some differentiators over the competitors, but at the same time usually eats more resources and make the updates to arrive later. Huawei proposes some very interesting things on this version 3.1, and many users will like and use them. From my side, I would like it to be as any launcher available on the PlayStore, so if we don't like it, we can just remove it, but this is not the case.
On the other hand, the question with the heating, it's something known and not bad, but there will be a lot of users feeling their phone hotter than other models and will be worried about that.
Finally, which is at least for me the biggest fault... where is the fingerprint? If you really want to compete against the main players, don't forget to bring the same weapons. And almost all the high range smartphones nowadays have a fingerprint or TouchID sensor, as security mechanism.
It's a great terminal, meaning Huawei has received, analyzed and used all the feedback from previous models (specially P7) , also meaning they are working to bring their products where they see themselves.
The price varies depending on where we look for this phone and what extras we include on the package. Normally we should find it between 499€ and 520€. Don't forget to check if your order include shipping cost and other charges.
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Hey!
I'd liked to share a bit about mine. So what you'll see in this picture is a phone that I called "Omni ZenLynx" (I know, it's a bad name lol, but please bear with me), it has a somewhat "huge" specs inside. I can't photoshop so I draw it inside my 'drawbook' (that drawbook is actually a notebook ).
Specs:
- 25.4 Megapixels Camera
- 5.5" Display with 4K Resolution
- Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision Capabilities
- Sapphire Crystal body (front, rear, right, and left sides) and Magnesium Alloy (top and bottom side of the frame), 7 mm thick
- 4050 mah Battery
- 6GB/8GB RAM, 512GB Internal Storage
- Quad Core 3.2 GHz Processor
- AutoAdapt™ Pro technology, my own technology that makes camera, display, and audio of the phone automatically adapt to produce the best possible audio/imaging/viewing experiences without having to set anything by yourselves.
I think that's it for now, I hope it will come true and be even better. Excuse me for my bad english and maybe, my delusion :laugh:
Oh yeah, there are two pictures, one of them is what I've just made recently, and the other is my last year's creation that is my earlier sketch of this phone (the old design is too crowded and doesn't have many innovations to me). Then, I'm open to any constructive feedback and please don't judge me or my creation too harshly
What is your imaginary phone? Share it here!
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It must be stylish.
Screen 5.5 inch
8GB RAM
256GB Storage
Camera must have DSLR quality
Battery 6000 mAh
Android 7+ (Android only!!!!!)
Screen 4.5-5 inch
1920x1080
4GB RAM
64GB Storage
proc 821+
Qi
Battery 3000+
the ways things are goin
my dream phone is one that dont hardware bootloop battery doesnt explode and has a unlocked bootloader
- 5.5-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit widescreen Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
- 13-megapixel iSight® camera with Optical Image Stabilization
- A8 chip with 64-bit architecture.
- 1080p HD video recording
- Battery 4000
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hire magento developer
Magento installation
My dream phone is the one which is may be solar powered and is not battery / charge dependant. Scratch Proof. Unbreakable screen. Space available in TBs instead of GBs. High Resolution. High RAM. And last but not least, an ability for the phone to be able to read my eyes and scroll up and down or click a certain button based on my eye lens focus when I am busy with my toddler.
The April Fool's joke of XDA. I love it and I hope it will be soon crowdfunded.
Sent from either my Galaxy S7Edge or my Galaxy Core
A new Sony Ultra Z with updated hardware.
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Hey!
I'd liked to share a bit about mine. So what you'll see in this picture is a phone that I called "Omni ZenLynx" (I know, it's a bad name lol, but please bear with me), it has a somewhat "huge" specs inside. I can't photoshop so I draw it inside my 'drawbook' (that drawbook is actually a notebook ).
Specs:
- 25.4 Megapixels Camera
- 5.5" Display with 4K Resolution
- Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision Capabilities
- Sapphire Crystal body (front, rear, right, and left sides) and Magnesium Alloy (top and bottom side of the frame), 7 mm thick
- 4050 mah Battery
- 6GB/8GB RAM, 512GB Internal Storage
- Quad Core 3.2 GHz Processor
- AutoAdapt™ Pro technology, my own technology that makes camera, display, and audio of the phone automatically adapt to produce the best possible audio/imaging/viewing experiences without having to set anything by yourselves.
I think that's it for now, I hope it will come true and be even better. Excuse me for my bad english and maybe, my delusion :laugh:
Oh yeah, there are two pictures, one of them is what I've just made recently, and the other is my last year's creation that is my earlier sketch of this phone (the old design is too crowded and doesn't have many innovations to me). Then, I'm open to any constructive feedback and please don't judge me or my creation too harshly
What is your imaginary phone? Share it here!
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Ill second it patent it. Ill order one
Very slim and transparent with holo functions.
A Smartphone with a hologram function, Thought control and with a good Battery Life time.
Xperia Play 2 with SD 835 or better.
Please let my dream become reality.
An Android phone with 2 partitions.
One is the main partition. Can be modified (e.g. Custom ROM, Kernel, Recovery, etc.)
Other is safe partition. Cannot be modified and can only be accessed when something is wrong with the main partition. Just in case the main partition gets corrupted when flashing, it will boot up to the safe partition to restore the main partition files. Preventing hard bricks.
Right Now "Google Pixel"
any phone with a 10 day battery life
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Ill second it patent it. Ill order one
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I want to but don't know how to patent it lol. I'll be happy if you order one when it becomes available
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Awesome design. Patent your design
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Thanks for your kind words! I will but I don't know how do I patent them lol.
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Well I have some new designs and features to talk about, I took an inspiration from S8's launch and I'll share it tomorrow
Probably something like Google Glass with some improvements
Omni™ ZenCaelum™
-149.3 x 68.8 x 7 mm body, 90.44% screen-to-body ratio, 141 grams light, Sapphire Crystal front and rear, Magnesium Alloy frame (top and bottom), Stainless Steel frame (right and left).
- 23MP Camera, UltraGraph™ EYE Camera Module, 1/1.9" Sensor size, 2.4 μm pixel size, Xenon flash, OIS, AutoAdapt™ Pro.
- 6" Display, 4500 x 2250 Resolution in 16:8 Aspect Ratio, HDR-enabled (class 12), 829 ppi, UltraView™ VISION Display Module, OLED Panel, Advanced Depth Sensing, Dolby® Vision, 4K ReelFeel™ Pro (Advanced HDR Upscaler).
- 6GB RAM, 128GB UFS Internal Storage, up to 2TB External Storage.
- Dolby® Atmos, Adaptive Audio, 4K FLAC HiRes Audio, Dual Invisible Stereo Speakers (Similar technology to Sony BRAVIA OLED TV), UltraHear™ ECHO Audio Module, DSEE HX, Deep Audio Sensing Technology (DAST).
- Lithium Ion, 4300 mAh Battery, Flexible and thin Battery Design, so it could have a larger capacity battery without increasing the size of the battery and phone themselves, Advanced Thermal Control.
Omni™ ZenHilex™
This is actually inspired by MI MIX, but its bezels are much smaller and has a transparent display
it only has 0.5 mm bezel around the display (except for the bottom bezel which is around 13 mm). Speaking about bottom bezel, that bottom bezel is actually what I called "Core unit" because it is a modular (interchangeable) module that has a huge battery (4500 mAh) and again, it is flexible, then there's also a processor, graphic unit, a primary speaker, and basically every other components in the core unit.
(I know it is impossible to create lol)
You could twist the core unit (I mean it works like Nokia 5700 XpressMusic where you could twist the bottom side), it actually has a single camera a bottom left corner but I forgot to add it, so if you want to take a picture as rear camera, you could twist the core unit.
That's all, again, I'm open to critiques, so feel free.
I would like to have a phone which has every cool features and which can work with any Android system and should be future proof
When I see OP, I thought, wow my old design looks bad, so I made a new one
This is called Omni ZenVega, it has 5.8" display in 142 x 72 x 8 mm body (I've calculated everything and this is already perfect). So it has a mind-blowing 90.65% screen-to-body ratio.
It has a 13 MP rear camera with 1/1.7" sensor size and 2 µm pixel size, it has dual 12 MP Motion Sensing Cameras too, beside its primary camera, but it has a smaller sensor and pixel size.
It also has a new sophisticated technology/feature called Edge Motion Surface, this new sensor-based surface is placed at the edge (frame) of the phone, it is a motion, pressure, and gesture-based device controls to control volume, power on/off, music, camera, and more, this technology lets this phone to be the world's first buttonless phone, yes.. A smartphone with NO BUTTON. This phone has a Natural Body Language Recognition System so you don't have to worry about accidental touches on the frame.
The phone's front and back are made of Sapphire Crystal, top and bottom sides of the frame are made of Reinforced Ceramic, and left and right sides of the frame are made of Stainless Steel that is mixed with another alloy.
Feel free to download the attached full phone specifications below, there are a lot of things and terms that you might not understand but yeah it's my world
Notes:
- Zerstonhornde Electricalism is the company name (I know, this is a bad name, but I'll figure out a simpler and better name, since that name has been into my mind since I was a little kid).
- Omni is the company's product series name (like Galaxy on Samsung, Xperia on Sony, and more).
- You might notice that there is a currency called UR$ and 'country' names listed there, just ignore them because those are also my imaginary countries, please don't judge me too harshly.
This is really frustrating but most of the time when I'm taking a photo I'm getting this message "sharpening your photo please steady the device". I thought it might be the Master AI so in turned that off... Still happens. Especially with low light shots or zoomed in shots even in bright light.
How the heck do I stop this from happening?? It's so frustrating!
It's when the camera combining the monochrome data to increase detail.
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Is there no way of stopping this from happening?
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Is there no way of stopping this from happening?
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Use a different camera app or shoot RAW.
It's a baked in part of Huawei multi sensor processing.
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Basically you can use another app, lose detail and lose the message.
It seems to be a bug in the camera software. It does not handle the telephoto zoom correctly and applies sharpening algorithms when not necessary.
Have a look at the report from Android Authority https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-camera-software-867702/
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It seems to be a bug in the camera software. It does not handle the telephoto zoom correctly and applies sharpening algorithms when not necessary.
Have a look at the report from Android Authority https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-camera-software-867702/
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It's not a bug, it's a separate process from the unsharp mask algorithm in the jpg processing.
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It's not a bug, it's a separate process from the unsharp mask algorithm in the jpg processing.
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I'm saying it's a bug because it should not run all processes when zooming with the telephoto. In Android Authority's samples you can see that the post processing seems to run like it is in digital zoom mode even if it's optical.
It's a totaly normal process, and you see the messages when the camera apllies HDR color correction to the photo. Other smartphones just say HDR during the photo saving, this one says this message. It's not a bug, and there's no way of disabling it. It's just NORMAL.
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I understand this message to mean "Please wait while I ruin your photo."
I always get it (literally 100% of the time) when I'm using the 3x zoom and the result is always an absolutely hideous photo in which all detail has been completely destroyed. For some reason the resulting image is always 10MP, which makes me think it was taken using the 40MP sensor and binned down, however it's shot at f2.4 and the phone reports an 80mm equivalent focal length, which suggests the 3x zoom lens but that's an 8MP sensor... So just what the hell is going on? Here's an imgur album of a photo supposedly taken using the zoom lens in ideal photography conditions this morning. The light was very good. I used the Photo mode with AI master turned off, resolution set to 10MP in the settings, standard color setting, 4D predictive focus on.
Unfortunately I can't post links but go to imgur.com album /a/JEMOtHG.
It looked fine on the phone's screen but it looks hideous on a larger screen. Just look at the 100% crop - it would make a lovely watercolor painting. The photo has been sharpened to oblivion and completely ruined. The camera has retained highlights in the clouds to create an unrealistic, though beautiful IMO, cloudscape while blowing away highlights on the ships. The shadows on the trees in the foreground are mangled to the point that it looks like a single mass. This photo is unequivocally garbage.
In fact, 70% of the photos this phone takes look like total garbage. They're not just mediocre, they're bad. They look like enlarged and sharpened photos taken with an ancient, low-resolution digital camera. Maybe it's because I have no idea what the phone's actually doing with its hardware when I'm using it because the software is so bad? It just does stuff contrary to what I might expect based on the information provided at the time of the exposure and the result is invariably bad. I've tried every mode and had zero success in any mode.
Even when using the main sensor, if the lighting is slightly dim, out comes the sharpening and noise-reduction algorithm and out go your details. Even in situations where it's not really necessary, like in good indoor light, the phone goes mental with its post-processing. It even does it in broad daylight when there's a big difference in highlights and/or in the scene. If you have harsh, directional sunlight in one part of the scene, expect it to be sharpened to death.
I read all the glowing reviews and they leave me wondering whether everyone's crazy or whether I am. I really want to like this phone but the camera is 3 or 4 out of 10 so far. It makes me wonder whether Huawei's engineers have ever seen a photo before.
I'm inclined to return this phone. The camera is so bad that I'd rather go back to my Nexus 6P, which is 2.5 years old and takes effortlessly, consistently and predictably superior photos.
It keeps the detail when it says it on mine with 3x zoom.
I think maybe your technique is off?
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It keeps the detail when it says it on mine with 3x zoom.
I think maybe your technique is off? View attachment 4536191
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What technique do you propose? I don't see any options or means to remedy the problem. It seems to me that no matter what mode I shoot or what settings I toggle, I get images that are post-processed to oblivion when using the 3x zoom, and usually when using the main sensor too.
I'd love to hear what you're doing that's giving you results you're happy with. My guess is that you're also on a newer build - I've got the North American variant CLT-L04 8.1.0.109(C792).
Incidentally, your attachment is scaled down to a small fraction of its original size so it doesn't really demonstrate much.
The 109 firmware is pretty old by now, things got better with the camera when you run firmware 128 or the latest 131. Still things could be improved but it is now better than in the early days of firmware releases.
/ Magnus
This is taken with 5x zoom by hand on auto. I see no problem at all. In fact it's outstanding if consider its taken by hand.
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I definitely think it's your firmware. Things have improved pretty dramatically since your version.
Well that sucks, since no newer firmware is available to me yet. I find it hard to believe Huawei would ship a premium photography-centric device with software that's so defective it can hardly take a photo worth keeping, or that it's selling functionally defective devices with this firmware 2 months after launch. Then again, maybe I shouldn't be too surprised.
I guess I'm at the right place if I want to solve this problem myself but I think I might just take it back and not void my warranty or trouble myself any further. This is an excellent phone and I want to keep it but I'm disappointed - photography should have been the first thing they got right and they fumbled.
Too bad because the specs are brilliant and the cameras are awesome in terms of the hardware. In practice, though, it always comes down to software. Thanks for your help, all.
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Natural colours and AI off to reduce the amount of processing.
When using zoom, make sure you wait for the stabilisation to start and tuck your elbows in. Where possible use the software shutter button over the volume rocker as it causes less movement.
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inepty, I second your remarks. That's what I have experienced, too, so far, and I don't think it got much better on .128 which I am using.
A few things to keep in mind:
- The 3x zoom only kicks in if you do not focus to anything closer to 1-1.5 metres. If you do, it will use the digital zoom which looks crappy.
- If you use Auto, Portrait or HDR mode, the images WILL be heavily processed
- If you use Aperture or Pro mode, they will NOT. I am so far happy with the results of these two modes.
- The monochrome mode seems not to suffer from the watercolor effects and the overprocessed look, even though the sensor is smaller
- Turn off the AI. It's pointless. It's optimized for poppy instagram style pictures. If you want this, go ahead. If you want more natural pictures, turn it off.
- Try different camera apps like Open Camera. You will of course lose fancy stuff like HDR, Zoom etc., but the resulting images are much more natural without any oversharpening or watercolor effects. You will have some grain, tho (because no noise reduction).
- The Zoom is a bit finicky. Sometimes, it gives me really good, clear and beautiful results, sometimes it looks like a crappy digital zoom picture, even though the exifs state that the zoom lens was used. Not sure what's the problem behind this.
- The night mode is a bit of a tech gimmick. Yep, it shoots photos at night but they are really blurry and lack details. If you resize them to 1000px, they will look great, but they are not made for larger resolutions or big screens. I know, a blurry picture is better than no picture at all, but I wouldn't use it the way Huawei seems to advertise it (Hey, take stunning city photos at night!) because the results are messy, unless resized to a stamp.
- And finally: The raw files are quite good most of the time. For pictures that are important (Aka: Photography instead of documentation), it's probably best to use the raw file and develop this.
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inepty, I second your remarks. That's what I have experienced, too, so far, and I don't think it got much better on .128 which I am using.
A few things to keep in mind:
- The 3x zoom only kicks in if you do not focus to anything closer to 1-1.5 metres. If you do, it will use the digital zoom which looks crappy.
- If you use Auto, Portrait or HDR mode, the images WILL be heavily processed
- If you use Aperture or Pro mode, they will NOT. I am so far happy with the results of these two modes.
- The monochrome mode seems not to suffer from the watercolor effects and the overprocessed look, even though the sensor is smaller
- Turn off the AI. It's pointless. It's optimized for poppy instagram style pictures. If you want this, go ahead. If you want more natural pictures, turn it off.
- Try different camera apps like Open Camera. You will of course lose fancy stuff like HDR, Zoom etc., but the resulting images are much more natural without any oversharpening or watercolor effects. You will have some grain, tho (because no noise reduction).
- The Zoom is a bit finicky. Sometimes, it gives me really good, clear and beautiful results, sometimes it looks like a crappy digital zoom picture, even though the exifs state that the zoom lens was used. Not sure what's the problem behind this.
- The night mode is a bit of a tech gimmick. Yep, it shoots photos at night but they are really blurry and lack details. If you resize them to 1000px, they will look great, but they are not made for larger resolutions or big screens. I know, a blurry picture is better than no picture at all, but I wouldn't use it the way Huawei seems to advertise it (Hey, take stunning city photos at night!) because the results are messy, unless resized to a stamp.
- And finally: The raw files are quite good most of the time. For pictures that are important (Aka: Photography instead of documentation), it's probably best to use the raw file and develop this.
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If you select 3x zoom it uses that lens.
It doesn't use digital zoom just because you're close to the subject.
The stabilisation struggles to engage on close subject, so this may be the issue you're encountering.
These are 1x then 3x then 5x then 10x
Even the 10x digital zoom doesn't look as bad as people seem to be making out.
All are auto, standard colour, no AI in poor light.
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If you select 3x zoom it uses that lens.
It doesn't use digital zoom just because you're close to the subject.
The stabilisation struggles to engage on close subject, so this may be the issue you're encountering.
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Nope, it doesn't work that easily, at least on my device. You can select 3x zoom and still get a digital zoom image not shot with the tele lens. Try it! Try close distance and fast burts, you will see it yourself.
And please do post full resolutions of your images. Anything moderately sharp can look good at this small size.
The long awaited Honor Magic 2 has been released last night in Beijing. Let's have a quick recap of what this new phone has to offer.
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Exterior Design
The Magic 2 has a seamless design – its 6.39-inch AMOLED "Magic screen" takes up the entire front of the phone. With a 90,000:1 contrast ratio, colors pop vividly – blacks are darker, and whites are brighter.
The in-screen fingerprint sensor has been upgraded in size, making it so you can unlock your phone faster and more easily.
With 3D curves, even the edges have been engineered for your holding and handling comfort.
The back of the Magic 2 is equally impressive, using a similar optical vacuum coating process previously deployed on Huawei's P20 series, to produce the trademark iridescent effect. Slowly turning the phone in your hand will reveal a breathtaking display of colors.
Possibly the most anticipated feature of the Magic 2 is the dual-rail sliding screen design, finalized after millions of trials and tweaks for perfection and durability. Sliding the front camera out and in might bring back some nostalgia, but the innovative dust-resistant structure is specially designed to keep things safe and clean.
Released in three gradient color schemes: black, blue, and red.
Themes of cosmos, starry skies and galaxies have been chosen to expand your creativity beyond our world.
Artificial Intelligence
In December of 2016, the Honor Magic kick-started the research and development of AI on smart phones.
This year, the next-gen Magic 2 is unveiled with greater intelligence on its chip, OS, and apps.
The Magic 2 is powered by the world's current best smartphone chipset – the Kirin 980, first debuted with the Mate 20 series. Adding another NPU since the previous generation Kirin 970, the 980 offers 2.2 times the computing power.
The 7nm 980 is the first to use Arm's Cortex-A76 CPU, yielding a performance improvement of 75% and power efficiency enhancement of 58%. Paired with the Mail-G76 GPU, the latest Kirin chip brings another 46% improvement in performance and 178% in battery efficiency. It supports the super-fast LPDDR4X DRAM technology, offering a 20% higher bandwidth and 22% lower latency.
Introducing Magic UI 2.0: Magic 2's AI-enhanced OS
Magic UI 2.0 delivers comprehensive AI capabilities, including natural language understanding (NLU), computer vision, deep learning, as well as improved resolution, decision-making and recommendation services.
At the base of all the magical intelligence is the Magic 2's digital assistant YOYO, scoring 4,556 in AI, the smartest of its kind.
YOYO has the ability to grow with you. From the moment you turn your phone on, YOYO starts to learn and become familiar with you – your fingerprints, your voice, your face, and your phone usage habits – making your mobile experience unique to you.
Although facial recognition is a rather common feature in many phones today, the Magic 2's proprietary 3D bionic photosensitive technology can capture facial details more accurately and boasts much higher security. It even works in low light environments where traditional algorithms usually fail.
Bone voice recognition: YOYO responds to your voice and your voice only.
All-around assistance: YOYO offers great help whether you're driving, traveling, shopping, or in need of translation and interpreting services.
DeepThink option, an improvement on the 2016 Magic model, can be activated by sliding down the screen.
Just by pointing the camera at your meal, YOYO can instantly figure out the calorie count. It can also detect your skin's health status and offer advice accordingly.
YOYO can even let you control your drone with voice commands.
By linking your YOYO to your Honor account or using the self-developed Phone Clone app, it will be by your side through all the future generations of Magics.
AI Prowess
The Honor Magic 2 features AI-assisted dual-frequency GPS navigation. It’s equipped with the dual-frequency (L1+L5) Broadcom BCM4775X sensor hub, which offers location at an accuracy of 30 meters. The Magic 2 takes the precision even further, down to 15 meters, by incorporating a self-developed Hi1103 AI chip. If that doesn't sound impressive, keep in mind that current single-frequency smartphone solutions can only provide an accuracy of about 300 meters.
As shown in the track tests above, the Magic 2 can record the exact path of the runner’s route while the path the iPhone XS recorded deviated greatly from the actual one.
The HiGeo navigation engine that comes with the Magic 2 ensures normal service provision in complex and weak/no signal environments.
The Magic 2's innovative, fast, and safe 40W (10V/4A) charging brings the battery from zero to 50% in a mere 15 minutes. An additional 15-min charge takes the power up to 85%.
If you are interested in screen projection but can never be bothered to find and carry the right cable, the Magic 2 should be able to fit your needs with its wireless projection technology. With literally just a few touches, you can view and control your phone screen on a computer or TV screen.
The Magic 2 offers lightning fast download speeds of up to 1.7 Gbps when connected to a Wi-Fi network, with a 100% higher bandwidth. This means downloading a TV series of 10GB only takes 78 SECONDS.
Worried about your phone overheating while binge-watching? Graphene is used as the core material to keep the Magic 2 cool, which is 1.4 times more efficient than graphite and 2-3 times more than copper.
AI Camera
The Magic 2's sliding screen design means the build quality of its front camera won't be compromised at all by the truly bezel-less display design, nor the other way round.
The Magic 2 offers similar self-portrait functions as Huawei and Honor's flagship series: AI-assisted scene and object recognition, shooting mode selection, wide aperture (background bokeh), 3D contouring and beautification, and 3D portrait lighting effects.
The rear tri-lens camera adopts a vertical layout like the Huawei P20 series. While the P20 Pro boasts its whopping 40MP 1/1.7" lens, the Magic 2 prides itself on its 16MP ultra wide-angle sensor (17mm focal length). Together with a 24MP monochrome and 16MP color lenses, the Magic 2 offers utterly fantastic phonetography experiences.
Kirin 980's dual NPUs allows the Magic 2 to recognize over 60 kinds of scenes and objects, providing expert advice on more than 1,500 settings.
If you've noticed that reds are frequently messed up in portrait photography, cheer for the Magic 2 as this won't be an issue for its triple-camera.
Another thrilling camera feature the Magic 2 has taken from the P20 is AI-supported Image Stabilization (AIS) technology, which enables handheld night shooting with up to 6 seconds of exposure.
Here's another cool camera feature: When you take a long video with the Magic 2, it can intelligently sort through and produce a 10s clip spotlighting each subject.
Conclusion
All in all, the Honor Magic 2 is another important mark in the evolution of smartphone artificial intelligence. It's also packed with the brand's ground-breaking proprietary innovations. While the first Magic model released in 2016 was more of a "concept" phone, Honor has turned mature device-end AI into reality with the Magic 2. As benchmarking and testing start on the Magic 2, you'll soon be able to see for yourselves whether this lesser-known but equally extraordinary series has truly disrupted the competition.