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[Q] AT&T LTE Band 17, Anyone got it Working on Verizon Droid Turbo?

OK, so I have searched around in these forums, found the thread where some people were able to unlock some bands for the MOTO MAXX XT1225. However, I just want to verify before I return the hastily bought Droid Turbo from Verzion (XT1254): has anyone had success unlocking LTE Band 17 to use on AT&T here in the states? Right now, it's the only issue I have with the device. I get HSPA+ no problem, phone calls, etc but LTE eludes me. I live in Durham, NC and I verified on my old phone that I use band 17 for LTE.
Yes, I know I should've researched more but hey, some guy on youtube said it works and apparently thats all I need to buy a phone. (Especially at the decent price of $550 for the 32GB)

This is job for @ChazzMatt and his knowledge of bands

There is no proof I have seen of being able to enable any extra bands on any of the Quark series. The only bands I have seen confirmed to work are the ones already enabled in the phone.
Based on FCC info there is no reason to believe the XT1254 supports band 17 LTE. I am quite sure there is nothing you can do to enable it. The XT1254 and XT1225 do share band 2 and 4 LTE hardware but the rest of the LTE hardware is different.

Steve-x said:
There is no proof I have seen of being able to enable any extra bands on any of the Quark series. The only bands I have seen confirmed to work are the ones already enabled in the phone.
Based on FCC info there is no reason to believe the XT1254 supports band 17 LTE. I am quite sure there is nothing you can do to enable it. The XT1254 and XT1225 do share band 2 and 4 LTE hardware but the rest of the LTE hardware is different.
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Yeah, other phones have had LTE and HSPA bands enabled, but usually it was bands which are enabled in the same device in other regions -- like Galaxy S5 European bands for USA or vice versa. The modem and firmware supports those bands, but Samsung had certain bands locked down or enabled, depending on where the phone was sold.
People have been unable to enable European LTE band 20 on the Moto Maxx XT1225 because no Quark phone has that band anywhere.
HOWEVER, LTE band 17 is enabled in all XT1225 Quark phones... so could LTE band 17 be enabled in the XT1250 (U.S. CDMA/LTE Moto Maxx/XT1254 (Droid Turbo) ? Theoretically, is possible, but I'm not going to say yes.
I delved into all this deeply months ago to try to enable LTE band 5 on the XT1225 -- since it was found by FCC certification tests, but Motorola didn't list in the Latin America specs when released. Then, after doing a whole bunch of work and confirming with the NV calculator dev, LTE band 5 was already enabled as was HSPA band 4 (for T-mobile). So, while knowledge is always useful, all my work was not necessary.
When the Moto Turbo XT1225 was released (same model number, same FCC ID, same SKU), Motorola FINALLY listed all the bands that are enabled.
@Steve-x is correct. Up to this point in time, no one has enabled LTE bands that are not already enabled. Still, LTE band 17 is theoretically possible since all the Quarks share the same Snapdragon 805 modem, and some do have LTE band 17.
In a similar way, many many people have enabled LTE band 3 on the Nexus 5 D820 and enabled LTE bands 2 and 4 on the Nexus 5 D821. I'm going to do that soon for my wife's Nexus 5, as we are going to Brazil this summer.
[Radio] Enable LTE Band 3 and 8 on D820 and LTE Band 2 and 4 on D821
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/radio-enable-lte-band-3-nexus-5-d820-t2928561
Google has two Nexus 5 phones, with different FCC ID, different bands enabled due to being sold in different parts of the world. People have been able to enable LTE bands Google locked down.
MORE:
[GUIDE] Add all GSM and LTE bands to your phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
[GUIDE] UNLOCK ADITIONAL BANDS FOR QUALCOMM DEVICES <OnePlus One EDITION>
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/guide-unlock-aditional-bands-qualcomm-t2877031
Unlock all bands of your Qualcomm device! Use your phone globally! No bs!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269

Thanks for the help guys. After thinking about it some more, if I wasn't paying full retail out of pocket and I didn't have a special return window with Verizon, I'd probably give this a shot.

XT1250 on AT&T LTE Band 17
It seems the XT1250 and XT1254 are counterparts -- I just purchased a XT1250 thinking Band 17 was enabled, but only getting HPSA+ and no LTE.
Any luck, thoughts, etc on this lately?
THANKS

KeepingItCuttingEdge said:
It seems the XT1250 and XT1254 are counterparts -- I just purchased a XT1250 thinking Band 17 was enabled, but only getting HPSA+ and no LTE.
Any luck, thoughts, etc on this lately?
THANKS
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Not "counterparts", identical devices. The XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx) = XT1254 (Droid Turbo). Same FCC ID, same bands, same exact device. Since the XT1254 does not have LTE band 17, neither does the XT1250. The XT1250 is basically the dev version of the XT1254, with unlockable bootloader via Motorola website like the other Quarks.
While all the Quarks share the same hardware, including antenna, the radios are different. The XT1225 has a different FCC ID because it does have different radio.
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The XT1250/XT1254 has CDMA bands which the XT1225 does not have or need. The XT1225 has more HSPA bands, different mix of LTE bands and more LTE bands. All Quarks share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7. But the XT1250/XT1254 has LTE band 13, while the XT1225 has LTE bands 5 & 17, plus more HSPA bands.

[Q] Who can help to connect Droid Turbo XT1254 to QPST?

I boot XT1254 with BP TOOLS mode and drive the device name 'diag modem' with 'Motorola USB Diagnostic Port' in driver package named 'moto x qc diag interface'. After that I can connect this phone to DFS like I did on HTC M8 VZW. But when I try to connect to QPST to unlock LTE bands I can't found this phone in QPST Configuration. That means I can't do nothing with QPST and QXDM.
Any one know what wrong and how to resolve it? Help me please, thanks very much.

Sounds like @ChazzMatt can help

Jaocagomez said:
Sounds like @ChazzMatt can help
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Thx. I will PM him.

Hi...did you solved this??
Can you tell me how do that ???
Thanks

Got a PM from someone today also looking for help in connection QPST/QXDM to enable LTE bands in the Droid Turbo.
Many months ago I extensively messed around with those two programs for my Quark -- the XT1225, but I don't recommend anyone else trying it because unless the band is already there in the modem, but just locked down, using these programs will not actually enable any HSPA/LTE bands out of thin air.
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I connected my Moto Maxx XT1225 with QPST and QXDM to add LTE band 5 (for AT&T), because it was there in FCC testing but not there in "official" Motorola specs when actually released. My theory at the time was the LTE band 5 was there (confirmed by the FCC), but prior to release Motorola locked it down.
So, I went through all the steps to "enable" it -- but then we found out it was enabled all along. When Motorola released the Moto Turbo XT1225 (same FCC ID as the Moto Maxx XT1225, so IDENTICAL device) they finally admitted all the enabled bands the phone had. People in Canada who use LTE band 5 also confirmed their Moto Maxx XT1225 already had LTE band 5 enabled. (AT&T only has LTE band 5 in a few areas in the U.S. -- but I wanted to add it to my phones so I would have all the AT&T LTE bands, no matter where I went.)
So...
1) while it was an interesting education, all the work I did was not necessary for me. LTE band 5 was in the modem and already enabled.
2) Others have tried to add LTE band 20 for Europe and have not been successful. In QPST/QXDM, LTE band 20 will show as added -- but these people never actually RECEIVE LTE band 20. This means QPST/QXDM can't actually enable something that is not there in the first place. With Samsung phones and some other brands like One Plus with Snapdragon SoC, there has been success in enabling extra LTE bands, but that's because those manufacturers have all the bands present and then LOCK DOWN the bands they don't need/want for specific regions and carriers.
Whereas, with Motorola they never built a Quark with LTE band 20 in the first place. So, you can't enable it or any other bands through QPST/QXDM. Here's the bands all the Quarks have, listed below.
3) Unless you specifically need LTE band 13 or CDMA, the XT1225 is the better choice as it has more HSPA/LTE bands present and enabled.
I'm quoting myself below from a previous post, to lay out the Quark phones and their bands similarities/differences.
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TWO MOTOROLA QUARK PHONES -- RELEASED UNDER THREE MODEL NAMES
* The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same bands as the Droid Turbo XT1254. Has the same FCC ID. The only difference is the XT1250 has an unlock-able bootloader. It's basically the dev version of the Droid Turbo.
One of the best LIES Verizon ever foisted on the public is that the Droid Turbo was "exclusive". Only the Droid part of the NAME was exclusive -- because they own the rights to that name. Not the DEVICE, nor even the "Turbo" part of the name was exclusive. The EXACT same device, with exact same bands, exact same FCC ID is being sold by a dozen other carriers IN THE U.S.A.
* The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE) is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. Both the "International" XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names: Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
(Moto stock ROM for the XT1225 is still Lollipop 5.0.2 -- but we've had custom Lollipop 5.1.1 ROM for several months, even before Verizon finally released 5.1.0 for the Droid Turbo XT1254.)
Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader. The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)
I'll repeat this: Unless you specifically need LTE band 13 or specifically need CDMA bands, then the Moto XT1225 is the phone you should be getting. It has more HSPA and LTE bands, it has bootloader that can be unlocked.
If you need LTE band 13 or CDMA bands, then you should consider finding the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.

Some one tell me the spc code for droid turbo ??

I didn't get any solution

Can you get Lollipop update not on Verizon network?

Since Verizon phones are auto-unlocked and the Droid Turbo has AT&T LTE bands, I was considering buying this phone but my only worry is - will the phone get the Lollipop update if I'm not on the verizon network?
Also, I heard MMS is a little wonky if you're not on the verizon network as well, is this true?

I guess you can find the official update file and flash it through the stock recovery
That's how I updated my Turbo before the update was available through the normal update menu.

Droid Turbo will get updates with any or no sim card. it is not dependent if you have any sim or verizon sim.

karuptx said:
Since Verizon phones are auto-unlocked and the Droid Turbo has AT&T LTE bands, I was considering buying this phone
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Droid Turbo XT1254 does not have all the AT&T LTE bands. Has 2, 4, 17 but not LTE band 5 (now used in some locations). Just like it also doesn't have all the T-mobile LTE bands. Doesn't have LTE band 12.
Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx (XT1225) has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- ALL the AT&T LTE bands.
That may or may not matter to you, depending on if you need LTE band 5.

ChazzMatt said:
Droid Turbo XT1254 does not have all the AT&T LTE bands. Has 2, 4, 17 but not LTE band 5 (now used in some locations). Just like it also doesn't have all the T-mobile LTE bands. Doesn't have LTE band 12.
Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx (XT1225) has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- ALL the AT&T LTE bands.
That may or may not matter to you, depending on if you need LTE band 5.
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How do you know what bands you need?

ChazzMatt said:
Droid Turbo XT1254 does not have all the AT&T LTE bands. Has 2, 4, 17 but not LTE band 5 (now used in some locations). Just like it also doesn't have all the T-mobile LTE bands. Doesn't have LTE band 12.
Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx (XT1225) has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 -- ALL the AT&T LTE bands.
That may or may not matter to you, depending on if you need LTE band 5.
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6Binford said:
How do you know what bands you need?
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There's not an easy answer for that.
This site has some good information, but you have to know how to filter for what you need:
https://www.cellmapper.net/map
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Would be great if there were a USER FRIENDLY LTE bands coverage map, not showing just LTE coverage but also showing which BANDS are being used. I cannot find that anywhere.
The FCC has a resource to show frequencies used by a carrier, but you have to convert that to bands yourself, and it's not user friendly:
https://forums.att.com/t5/Network-Coverage/LTE-bands-and-coverage/td-p/4259614
http://reboot.fcc.gov/reform/systems/spectrum-dashboard
this is about the only way. There are some apps like opensignal you can download to your phone and check the area. I know vermont is all band 5 for the most part. Here in IL I get band 4,5,17 only my 35 min commute to work.
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Open Signal has an app that collects crowd sourced information -- including bands -- but then just displays it as "4G" coverage, again not breaking down which LTE bands are being used in a specific area.
I use LTE Discovery app. It shows me which band I'm on and what the signal strength is. But if my XT1225 didn't already have all the LTE bands for AT&T, how would I know what I am missing?

Yes, you can. I have friends overseas with turbos and they all received lollipop.
Sent from my XT1225 using Tapatalk

Do calls and data work simultaneously using GSM sims?

i'll be installing BlissPop or OK when i get the device, wondering..
somebody with a turbo using it on Tmobile or At&t clear me this one up, you can have voice and data, right?, this is just a verizon issue, right?
never saw a clear answer for this question
also, what bands are supported??

solidus636 said:
somebody with a turbo using it on Tmobile or At&t clear me this one up, you can have voice and data, right?, this is just a verizon issue, right?
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Which "Turbo" do you have? Droid Turbo XT1254 or Moto Turbo XT1225? I assume Droid Turbo because only those people don't also give the model number.
There's two distinct devices (two FCC IDs), sold under three model names:
Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254/U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (same phone, same bands, same FCC ID) and
Moto Turbo XT1225/"international" Moto Maxx XT1225 (different FCC ID from XT1254/XT1250, but all XT1225 share the same bands with each other, and are the same phone).
These Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx are all under the "Quark" umbrella and except for radio bands are the same hardware, just like all "LG G4" are all the same hardware even though sold by different carriers in different countries.
All the custom ROMs support all Quarks. Custom ROMs over here are for all Quarks, ROMs (kernels, recovery, apps) over in the other Quark forum are also for the XT1254. Most dev work is still over there.
Of course Quarks with GSM/HSPA/LTE carrier SIM cards get simultaneous data/calls -- that's only a Verizon (CDMA) issue. But during phone calls on GSM/HSPA/LTE carriers, you will temporarily drop down to HSPA during the call (for simultaneous data/cellular voice), then jump back to LTE (data only) after the call is completed.
solidus636 said:
i'll be installing BlissPop or OK when i get the device, wondering..
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What is "OK" ROM?
We have 7 custom Marshmallow ROMs for the Quark (maybe 8 depending on how you count) -- they work on ALL Quarks, thanks to our CM dev.
But I'm not familiar with OK ROM. Oh, maybe you mean AOKP? See, I think you are just looking at ROMs here. Yeah, Bliss and AOKP are great, but we have TWO Quark forums. Click that link above and you see all the ROMs. TWRP recovery and BHB27 custom kernel and other ROMs live over in the other Quark forum.
Right now, seems Bliss and Resurrection Remix (Marshmallow) are the two most popular.
Since you don't have the device yet, just to let you know... the XT1254 need paid bootloader unlock via Sunshine($25). Thank Verizon. The other Quarks have free bootloader unlock via code from Motorola website. No, there's no free bootloader unlock for the XT1254. Just believe us.
solidus636 said:
also, what bands are supported??
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As for what GSM/HSPA/LTE bands the Droid Turbo XT1254 supports? Well, let's discuss all Quarks. The XT1254 is yours.
The XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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The Droid Turbo XT1254 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
AT&T uses LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17.
T-mobile uses LTE bands 2, 4, 12
So, of course you can use the Droid Turbo XT1254 on SOME of AT&T's LTE bands or some of T-mobile's LTE bands. Just not all of them!
The problem you will have is in cities like Atlanta, GA where I live where AT&T uses LTE band 17 a lot. In places like that you will have HSPA/HSPA+. In areas where AT&T uses LTE bands 2 and 4 you will be OK. In northern part of Georgia when I drive to Chattanooga, that's mostly LTE band 4, so you would be OK.
So, for AT&T you mostly need a phone with LTE bands 2, 4, 17. (5 is used very little.)
For T-mobile you mostly need a phone with 2, 4, 12.
You have a phone -- the Droid Turbo XT1254 -- with two of those bands: LTE bands 2 & 4.
I have the sibling Quark, the Moto XT1225 -- so I have all of AT&T's LTE bands.
As long as you stay in places AT&T uses LTE bands 2 & 4, you will get LTE. IF you drop down to HSPA, it's probably because you are in an LTE band 17 area or just crappy LTE signal in general.
Same advice with T-mobile and LTE band 12.
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Now on AT&T or T-mobile you will NOT get VoLTE. AT&T restricts that to certain AT&T-branded phones and T-mobile restricts that to LTE band 12. BUT you will still get simultaneous data/cellular voice during phone calls on either carrier.

Most thorough reply I've ever received, yes I am going to get the Verizon model, and excellent I'm in the bay area, glad to know LTE will work!! This all sounds great, the person I'm buying it from has already done the unlock! Excellent deal all around I can't wait!
How is battery life with Doze?? I can't wait to use Naptime and see how it is

I received it, works amazingly I love this phone.

Noob question regarding phone compatibility on other networks

I have a droid turbo that I've been using for about a year using WiFi only. I make all my calls/txts via google hangouts.
I want to pick up a data-only sim for it, but am not sure what would be compatible with a Verizon phone. I don't need a voice plan at all (rather keep using hangouts dialer) and only need a small amount of data per month (sub 1GB).
What are my options? Thanks for the help.
EDIT: just realized this post should have been under q/a section. my bad

alxv2003 said:
I have a droid turbo that I've been using for about a year using WiFi only. I make all my calls/txts via google hangouts.
I want to pick up a data-only sim for it, but am not sure what would be compatible with a Verizon phone. I don't need a voice plan at all (rather keep using hangouts dialer) and only need a small amount of data per month (sub 1GB).
What are my options? Thanks for the help.
EDIT: just realized this post should have been under q/a section. my bad
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The Turbo is an international phone that is compatible with both CDMA and GSM networks, and it is not SIM locked, so just about anything you plug in should work from a hardware standpoint. If I were you, I would look up the bands that your carriers of choice use and compare them with the bands that the Turbo are capable of receiving, and pick the carrier where there is the most overlap.

alxv2003 said:
I have a droid turbo that I've been using for about a year using WiFi only. I make all my calls/txts via google hangouts.
I want to pick up a data-only sim for it, but am not sure what would be compatible with a Verizon phone. I don't need a voice plan at all (rather keep using hangouts dialer) and only need a small amount of data per month (sub 1GB).
What are my options? Thanks for the help.
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You don't say where you live. U.S.? Europe? South America?
Here's the all the various bands of the Droid Turbo XT1254 (and the FCC ID clone XT1250):
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The Droid Turbo XT1254 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13.
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U.S.
AT&T uses 2, 4, 5, 12/17 (17 is a subset of 12) and some more LTE bands are coming on line like LTE band 30 -- but still in most places it's 2, 4, 17. I can show you my LTE Discovery logs for my XT1225 -- which has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. While I have run across LTE band 5 a few times on AT&T, it's mostly for supplemental LTE coverage in dense LTE zones. There's very few standalone LTE band 5 locations. But if I didn't have LTE band 17 on my phone I would be dropping down to HSPA a lot!.
Where I live (Atlanta metro area), 17 is use a LOT inside the city where I work -- while 2 and 17 are used around the perimeter and LTE band 4 is used up north of the city and towards the Tennessee state line.
If were on AT&T and you lived in an area where 2 and 4 are only used, you would be lucky. However, If you lived in an area where AT&T used 17 quite a bit (like inside Atlanta city limits), you would have to stay on HSPA a lot.
T-mobile uses 2, 4, 12.
Any MVNOs affiliated with those carriers (H20, Net10, etc.) would use those bands too, of course.
Stay away from Sprint and any of its MVNOs.
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In South America, many of the major carriers use LTE bands 3 and 7, which is why the Droid Turbo XT1254 is popular as a used phone in that region. Although the "international" Quark 64GB XT1225 ballistic nylon + Kevlar was released for Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Puerto Rico -- a 32GB Droid Turbo XT1254 is a lower cost option for many with otherwise the same hardware specs.
XT1225 has more HSPA bands and LTE bands than the XT1254, and slightly different LTE bands -- but are otherwise the same phone. But the XT1254 came in two memory variants -- 32GB and 64GB, while the XT1225 was 64GB only. While there were 64GB Droid Turbos also with Ballistic Nylon + Kevlar, the ones flooding the secondary markets around the world seem to mostly be the 32GB models, which of course have no expandable memory. It's a trade-off. I won't buy a 32GB phone nowadays, even if it had microSD card (which the Quarks do not).
The XT1225 has held its value better than the XT1254 -- I think because of the 64GB memory and easily unlocked bootloader -- plus more HSPA bands instead of relatively useless CDMA bands most of the world does not use.
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Europe.
Here's a list of the LTE networks in Europe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Europe
Take UK for instance... Vodafone uses 1, 3, 7, 20, 38. You'll get reception on 3 and 7, but not the others. If you are unlucky enough to live in an area where there is no 3 and 7, then you would almost never get any LTE. But you could still drop down to HSPA.

WOW! Awesome and most complete of answers ChazzMatt! Thank you!