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[Q] Downgrading from 5.0 CM12 unofficial to any 4.4.x official moto firmware?

I have a bootloader-UNLOCKED Moto X XT1058 and I'm running one of the really old CM lollipop builds that came out back in November.
I love Lollipop but I miss my Moto Display, and I was wondering if there was a safe way for me to downgrade back to a 4.4.x firmware so I could get it back.
My bootloader is unlocked, but I'm concerned about any issues that would arise from downgrading from a 5.x to a 4.x firmware. Is this safe?
Thanks

mspadam said:
I have a bootloader-UNLOCKED Moto X XT1058 and I'm running one of the really old CM lollipop builds that came out back in November.
I love Lollipop but I miss my Moto Display, and I was wondering if there was a safe way for me to downgrade back to a 4.4.x firmware so I could get it back.
My bootloader is unlocked, but I'm concerned about any issues that would arise from downgrading from a 5.x to a 4.x firmware. Is this safe?
Thanks
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I used one of the first CM12 ROMs available in november and then returned to an official ROM for XT1058 (KitKat 4.4.4) and it worked flawlessly, so you should be ok.

mspadam said:
I have a bootloader-UNLOCKED Moto X XT1058 and I'm running one of the really old CM lollipop builds that came out back in November.
I love Lollipop but I miss my Moto Display, and I was wondering if there was a safe way for me to downgrade back to a 4.4.x firmware so I could get it back.
My bootloader is unlocked, but I'm concerned about any issues that would arise from downgrading from a 5.x to a 4.x firmware. Is this safe?
Thanks
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I believe that CM only flashes /System. IF so, to return to a stock Moto rom, just boot into fastboot/bootloader, check the bootloader version, and the corresponding Moto rom, or a newer Moto Rom.
30.70 = original 4.2.2
30.71 = 4.2.2 OTA with camera update
30.B2 = 4.4
30.B4 = 4.4.2
30.B7 = 4.4.4

Umm. Custom ROMs have nothing to do with anything technically speaking. Unless it's an official Moto update that was pushed to the device via OTA or RSD, then it might change things depending on your carrier device. Downgrading is nothing more than flashing a ROM or restoring a nandroid in the case of ROMs via TWRP/CWM or whatever you use.
Problem one. The fact you asked this means you probably goofed up and never made a nandroid backup. If you did make one. Just restore that stock nandroid and you're set. If not. Time to RSD or fastboot back to stock.

You can always flash back to stock with RSD however, I too missed ambient display until I tried Dynamic Notifications. Totally replaces ambient display for any of the CM based ROMs I have tried.

Thanks for all the help, guys!
One last question, I'm retarded. I have the Rogers Canada version but the Rogers firmware (ROGERS-CA_GHOST_KXA20.16-1.26_cid14_CFC_1FF.xml) is apparently 4.4.2 - will it matter if I use a different firmware that is 4.4.4 (which corresponds to my Bootloader version)?

mspadam said:
Thanks for all the help, guys!
One last question, I'm retarded. I have the Rogers Canada version but the Rogers firmware (ROGERS-CA_GHOST_KXA20.16-1.26_cid14_CFC_1FF.xml) is apparently 4.4.2 - will it matter if I use a different firmware that is 4.4.4 (which corresponds to my Bootloader version)?
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NEVER use a firmware that is for an older bootloader.. i.e. NEVER DOWNGRADE.
If bootloader version on your phone is 30.B7, then it corresponds with 4.4.4, so you MUST use a STOCK Moto 4.4.4 SBF!!!!
But if your bootloader version is 30.B4, that corresponds with 4.4.2, and you MAY use either 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 SBF. Just know that if you use 4.4.4, you will not be able to downgrade to 4.4.2 in the future.
If you can't find your rom.. check ALL of the sources linked in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-tip-web-sites-official-leaked-roms-t2923347

Use the motox toolkit to downgrade your phone/return back to stock
Sent from my XT1053 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Thanks for the help - so if I use a different 4.4.4 firmware that isn't Rogers it won't matter? I'm just concerned that there's a difference between them, my phone is Rogers but if I use a 4.4.4 firmware that isn't Rogers will it make any difference or is it not a big deal?

mspadam said:
Thanks for the help - so if I use a different 4.4.4 firmware that isn't Rogers it won't matter? I'm just concerned that there's a difference between them, my phone is Rogers but if I use a 4.4.4 firmware that isn't Rogers will it make any difference or is it not a big deal?
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Are you asking about flashing a 3rd party rom, like CM? or a Stock Moto rom for a different carrier/model?
I would recommend against flashing a ROM not meant for your carrier/model... There are several possible outcomes which I've seen.
It works, but GPT.BIN version is slightly different and prevents your ability to flash back to the correct ROM for your carrier/model.
Flashes "correctly", but renders your cellular radio unusable.
works ok, but no differently, and no added functions.
Keep in mind, the above only holds true for flashing a different STOCK MOTO ROMS..
NOW, if you are asking about flashing a 3rd party ROM, like CM, or other, you should be relatively safe, and be able to flash back to stock if/when you wish.

KidJoe said:
NEVER use a firmware that is for an older bootloader.. i.e. NEVER DOWNGRADE.
If bootloader version on your phone is 30.B7, then it corresponds with 4.4.4, so you MUST use a STOCK Moto 4.4.4 SBF!!!!
But if your bootloader version is 30.B4, that corresponds with 4.4.2, and you MAY use either 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 SBF. Just know that if you use 4.4.4, you will not be able to downgrade to 4.4.2 in the future.
If you can't find your rom.. check ALL of the sources linked in this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-tip-web-sites-official-leaked-roms-t2923347
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KidJoe said:
Are you asking about flashing a 3rd party rom, like CM? or a Stock Moto rom for a different carrier/model?
I would recommend against flashing a ROM not meant for your carrier/model... There are several possible outcomes which I've seen.
It works, but GPT.BIN version is slightly different and prevents your ability to flash back to the correct ROM for your carrier/model.
Flashes "correctly", but renders your cellular radio unusable.
works ok, but no differently, and no added functions.
Keep in mind, the above only holds true for flashing a different STOCK MOTO ROMS..
NOW, if you are asking about flashing a 3rd party ROM, like CM, or other, you should be relatively safe, and be able to flash back to stock if/when you wish.
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I was hoping to reflash to my carrier's specific firmware, but I can't seem to find one higher than 4.4.2 on the ROM list or anywhere else
That explains a bunch though, thank you!

mspadam said:
I was hoping to reflash to my carrier's specific firmware, but I can't seem to find one higher than 4.4.2 on the ROM list or anywhere else
That explains a bunch though, thank you!
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I'm sure Rogers 4.4.4 is found in one of the sites listed at http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-tip-web-sites-official-leaked-roms-t2923347

i've an xt1052 indian version can anyobdy tell which rom to use, i tried all that i could get, none of it worked

[Q] Moto x 2013 Official firmware 5.1 required

Hi
I somehow wiped my system files and now my phone is practically useless. I have a moto x 2013 Asia retail version and i had lollipop installed.
1) Can somebody provide me with the official 5.1 asia retial firmware?
or
2) Can somebody please guide me how to downgrade my bootloader so that i can install 4.4.4.
I have TWRP version 2.8 as recovery on my phone.

keerat1990 said:
Hi
I somehow wiped my system files and now my phone is practically useless. I have a moto x 2013 Asia retail version and i had lollipop installed.
1) Can somebody provide me with the official 5.1 asia retial firmware?
or
2) Can somebody please guide me how to downgrade my bootloader so that i can install 4.4.4.
I have TWRP version 2.8 as recovery on my phone.
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You can use the RETEU version as of now and flash it in ur phone using RSDlite as ASIAN version is still not available

anadarco7 said:
You can use the RETEU version as of now and flash it in ur phone using RSDlite as ASIAN version is still not available
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Could you explain in detail how do i get back to 4.4.4? I am fairly new to all this. i'll update my phone over OTA later on.
Can you help me with 4.4.4? Step wise? I know about the manual flashing but when i do so it was my bootloader is updated so i cannot downgrade.

keerat1990 said:
I know about the manual flashing but when i do so it was my bootloader is updated so i cannot downgrade.
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That's true. You can not downgrade, if you are on a light, official side. But if you want to try dark side - flash your Asia region 4.4.4 without "gpt" and "motoboot" lines in its XML file. Once flashed 4.4.4, you can take OTA 5.1 on it without any problem.
A message to future users. Being on 5.1.1, then downgrade to 4.4.4, and taking 5.1 OTA - will brick. Don't do that.

Moto X 2014 Canadian Modems?

Does anyone know where I can find the latest modem files for the Canadian Moto X (XT1097)? The only ones I can find at the present moment are from KitKat .

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Gus.Ottawa said:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzMHWw0IWUAGVF9KbUQxQjU5Skk
Click the Down arrow at the top of the page to download.
Modem/Radio from victara_retca-user 5.1 LPE23.32-48.3
fastboot flash modem NON-HLOS.bin
fastboot erase modemst1
fastboot erase modemst2
fastboot flash fsg fsg.mbn
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Thanks! This worked perfectly and now my home wifi works flawlessly!

Kevin_Desousa said:
Thanks! This worked perfectly and now my home wifi works flawlessly!
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I'm glad it worked Keep them backed up, just in case. I actually have the whole firmware, which I flashed on my phone.

Yep, I'm definitely keeping these modem files. I'm running retbr 6.0 with these modems and I haven't had a problem thus far.
Sent from my XT1097 using Tapatalk

Gus.Ottawa said:
I'm glad it worked Keep them backed up, just in case. I actually have the whole firmware, which I flashed on my phone.
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Any chance you have the stock recovery as well?

jullyfush said:
Any chance you have the stock recovery as well?
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Someone else asked for it before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64377366&postcount=4
I have since updated my phone to Android 6.0 (RETCA), but there's no full firmware for it yet.

Gus.Ottawa said:
Someone else asked for it before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64377366&postcount=4
I have since updated my phone to Android 6.0 (RETCA), but there's no full firmware for it yet.
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Thanks!
Another quick question. I'm on Wind in Canada, but running a rooted 5.1 (RETBR). I'd like to do the OTA for Android 6.0 (RETCA). This is my first non-nexus device and things seem a little less straight forward. Aside from flashing the stock 5.1 firmware, what else will I need to do to get the OTA working? Cheers!

jullyfush said:
Thanks!
Another quick question. I'm on Wind in Canada, but running a rooted 5.1 (RETBR). I'd like to do the OTA for Android 6.0 (RETCA). This is my first non-nexus device and things seem a little less straight forward. Aside from flashing the stock 5.1 firmware, what else will I need to do to get the OTA working? Cheers!
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I also tried the RETBR 6.0, then downgraded to RETCA 5.1 without any problems, and updated with the 6.0 OTA, no problems. You cannot be rooted, you should flash all the files in the same firmware (you can try skipping the first two files if you want, but I had no problems with flashing them). Your phone has to be completely stock, with no modifications before the 6.0 OTA.
VICTARA_RETCA_XT1097_5.1_LPE23.32-48.3_cid14_CFC.xml.zip
https://mega.nz/#F!ow8igZRL!Z7vmN8GOpez2bVMYDvEKkg!h9FWBQha
That's what you should flash.

Thanks again! I'll get busy flashing
Update: worked like a charm!

Gus.Ottawa said:
I also tried the RETBR 6.0, then downgraded to RETCA 5.1 without any problems, and updated with the 6.0 OTA, no problems. You cannot be rooted, you should flash all the files in the same firmware (you can try skipping the first two files if you want, but I had no problems with flashing them). Your phone has to be completely stock, with no modifications before the 6.0 OTA.
VICTARA_RETCA_XT1097_5.1_LPE23.32-48.3_cid14_CFC.xml.zip
https://mega.nz/#F!ow8igZRL!Z7vmN8GOpez2bVMYDvEKkg!h9FWBQha
That's what you should flash.
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So to clarify, it's safe to flash back from RETBR 6.0 (24.11.18.victara_retbr.en.BR) to RETCA 5.1 and then take the RETCA 6.0 ota?

Kevin_Desousa said:
So to clarify, it's safe to flash back from RETBR 6.0 (24.11.18.victara_retbr.en.BR) to RETCA 5.1 and then take the RETCA 6.0 ota?
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Yes, I've done it myself on my own phone, XT1097 RETCA from Wind Mobile. Usually when you downgrade, you skip flashing the first two files in the firmware, the Partition Table and BootLoader, but in this case I had no problems flashing them (it seems they haven't changed between 5.1 and 6.0). So go ahead and flash the full 5.1 firmware, every file, and no modifications, no root, etc., until you get and install the update. As of now, I don't know of a full RETCA 6.0 firmware.

Latest Bootloader - Can I Install Lollipop or KitKat Roms?

Hello
I have a moto g titan xt1068 dual sim which was originally running stock lollipop 5.02 and was updated with the OTA stagefright update and then the OTA MM6.0 official by motorola.
I have since installed custom roms cyanogen 13.0 and cyanpop 6.2
I know my bootloader is now the latest, so my question is can I now only install MM based roms? or can I still install KK & LP based custom roms?
or will installing LP or KK based roms hard brick my device?
Many thanks for any help

i'd like to know it too...

I'm not sure, but I can't really see why not. The bootloader being the latest changes jack squat on the question of being able to install older versions of Android or not. I mean, I WAS able to install the stock LP ROM on the MM bootloader, but your mileage may vary.

Yeah you can. Just don't try to downgrade your bootloader while downgrading to previous stock Android version. Itll brick your phone.
But just flashing custom Roms is safe.

sagar846 said:
Yeah you can. Just don't try to downgrade your bootloader while downgrading to previous stock Android version. Itll brick your phone.
But just flashing custom Roms is safe.
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ooh yeah, i remember i installed the MM Stock, and after installed the KK Stock, and with KK made a OTA update to LP and bricked my phone :/

sagar846 said:
Yeah you can. Just don't try to downgrade your bootloader while downgrading to previous stock Android version. Itll brick your phone.
But just flashing custom Roms is safe.
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That's bullsh-t.. You can always downgrade your rom, but you have to be sure you're not downgrading your bootloader. So if you're using oneclick installer you have to remove the command from the script which will try to downgrade your bootloader. Also after downgrading you have to be super sure that you will not update it with OTA!
Btw.: I'm not sure downgrading through fastboot can even brick your phone.

zman01 said:
That's bullsh-t.. You can always downgrade your rom, but you have to be sure you're not downgrading your bootloader. So if you're using oneclick installer you have to remove the command from the script which will try to downgrade your bootloader. Also after downgrading you have to be super sure that you will not update it with OTA!
Btw.: I'm not sure downgrading through fastboot can even brick your phone.
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What if i downgrade to kk without downgrading the bootloader and then i flash back mm firmware? (with rsd lite for example)

h4ck3r00 said:
What if i downgrade to kk without downgrading the bootloader and then i flash back mm firmware? (with rsd lite for example)
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You can flash whatever version you want if you're not downgrading your BL

zman01 said:
You can flash whatever version you want if you're not downgrading your BL
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So, if am right, i can do whatever i want but i must not touch the bootloader.
Thanks man! :good:

h4ck3r00 said:
So, if am right, i can do whatever i want but i must not touch the bootloader.
Thanks man! :good:
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That's right.. You can touch your bootloader only when you have to upgrade it, for example in case of updating to Android N. Which I think will never happen (of course officially).
Here you can find a nice guide to downgrade your Android version.

zman01 said:
That's bullsh-t.. You can always downgrade your rom, but you have to be sure you're not downgrading your bootloader. So if you're using oneclick installer you have to remove the command from the script which will try to downgrade your bootloader. Also after downgrading you have to be super sure that you will not update it with OTA!
Btw.: I'm not sure downgrading through fastboot can even brick your phone.
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FFS, Did you actually read my post. I said NOT to Downgrade the bootloader while downgrading to a previous stock version via fastboot.

sagar846 said:
FFS, Did you actually read my post. I said NOT to Downgrade the bootloader while downgrading to a previous stock version via fastboot.
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Yeah sorry, I was a bit tired.

Thank you all for your help it is much appreciated.

How to update unlocked and rooted stock rom?

Hello there.
My G5s+ is suggesting a security update. But since I did unlock the bootloader and rooted it with magisk I did not install it.
My question is: What is the best way to update the phone?
Just flash the new stock rom? And where do I get those?
Thanks in advance.

Nobody here that can tell me how to upgrade?
Should I just flash the new version if I get it somewhere?

Mr.Chainsaw said:
Nobody here that can tell me how to upgrade?
Should I just flash the new version if I get it somewhere?
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Unlocked bootloader will not affect the OTA installation..!
The reason the OTA-Update fails is that one of the boot, system, logo or recovery partitions are changed.
Magisk modifies the boot image.
On rooted device..OTA may brick the device..so avoid OTA installation..!
Reply your current build Number from about phone..
Do a clean flash.

crazytech2 said:
On rooted device..OTA may brick the device..so avoid OTA installation..!
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Thats why I did not do it yet. But I still want to do the update somehow.
crazytech2 said:
Reply your current build Number from about phone..
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The Build No is
NPSS26.116-26-8

Mr.Chainsaw said:
Thats why I did not do it yet. But I still want to do the update somehow.
The Build No is
NPSS26.116-26-8
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Flash 26-11 full firmware

Where can I find full firmware versions of the stock rom to flash?
My build version is: NPSS26.116-26-4
As I understand it, there are two new security patches since that version? If I'm flashing one of the newer versions, is it just a case of dirty flashing it normally through twrp? No need to factory reset?

Chemacky said:
Where can I find full firmware versions of the stock rom to flash?
My build version is: NPSS26.116-26-4
As I understand it, there are two new security patches since that version? If I'm flashing one of the newer versions, is it just a case of dirty flashing it normally through twrp? No need to factory reset?
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If that is the firmware build you need, you could try the firmware here: https://firmware.center/firmware/Motorola/Moto G5s Plus/Stock/ but ensure you download the correct firmware. (credit to: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g5s-plus/how-to/xt1804-able-to-lock-bootloader-npss26-t3722572) Also, verify it is the firmware you require and was the latest firmware build on your device - please don't downgrade with stock firmware (else you may hard brick with OTA updates corrupting your bootloader)...
Stock OTA updates, as mentioned above, require fully stock firmware - they will not flash with root, modifications or TWRP (and attempting to flash via TWRP may soft bootloop your device). Thus, you must re-flash the stock firmware - you may be able to save your data by omitting the 'fastboot erase userdata' command and you do not have to re-lock your bootloader. However, I'm not familiar with the G5S Plus and I hope another user can provide you with flashing commands.
I would still recommend you make a backup of your device in TWRP and keep that safe, in case you have to wipe your data for stability.