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I just took advantage of the cyber monday promo code and ordered a new Verizon Moto X. I still have a grandfathered unlimited data plan and use wireless tether on my rooted (and ancient) HTC Thunderbolt heavily. I'm a bit concerned that this may not be very straightforward on the Moto X. First, I am a bit confused about root.
Is it possible to attain root on my stock phone without unlocking the bootloader?
Is there any advantage to unlocking the bootloader, outside of loading custom roms?
How limited is my ability to accept OTA updates once rooted?
Also, how well does wireless tether for root work with the Moto X once rooted?
What's the point?
I really was about to buy an S4, but this deal was too good to pass up, and I really like what I've read about this phone. I'm hoping it wasn't a mistake, since I know I can definitely accomplish these things fairly easily with the S4. But I'd rather not have that cheap plastic construction. Having come from an HTC, I like the more robustly constructed phones.
Don't bother answering that last question, it's probably beyond the scope of this board.
1. Did you try searching or reading at all?
2. Forget about the bootloader unless you purchased the developer edition.
3. You don't unless you unroot.
4. Just as well as any other Android phone.
5. You tell us. Everyone has different needs and desires.
6. If rooting the Moto X seems difficult, what makes you sure you can easily do it with the S4?
ggtsu said:
I just took advantage of the cyber monday promo code and ordered a new Verizon Moto X. I still have a grandfathered unlimited data plan and use wireless tether on my rooted (and ancient) HTC Thunderbolt heavily. I'm a bit concerned that this may not be very straightforward on the Moto X. First, I am a bit confused about root.
Is it possible to attain root on my stock phone without unlocking the bootloader?
Is there any advantage to unlocking the bootloader, outside of loading custom roms?
How limited is my ability to accept OTA updates once rooted?
Also, how well does wireless tether for root work with the Moto X once rooted?
What's the point?
I really was about to buy an S4, but this deal was too good to pass up, and I really like what I've read about this phone. I'm hoping it wasn't a mistake, since I know I can definitely accomplish these things fairly easily with the S4. But I'd rather not have that cheap plastic construction. Having come from an HTC, I like the more robustly constructed phones.
Don't bother answering that last question, it's probably beyond the scope of this board.
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Get root w/o unlock?
Yeah there are root methods that work, but you have to do it from 4.2.2 which ships with the phone before you take the 4.4 OTA update.
Advantage to unlocking?
Easier to root. Even if you lose root from a potential OTA update later you're OK and can easily redo it.
I'm unable to comment on most the rest since I actually got the T-Mobile variant and use it with AT&T and tether without root. The T-mobile variant only does the T-Mobile entitlement check.
In fact I HAVE been reading about it, but I could not find a non-ambiguious answer to my ?'s hence my post. I happened to find plenty of clear answers to my questions on the S4, and have extensively rooted, rommed, and modified my Tbolt over the last few years. So yes, I did think I would be able to easily root the S4.
But thanks for being a bit of a **** about it. :good:
nhizzat said:
1. Did you try searching or reading at all?
2. Forget about the bootloader unless you purchased the developer edition.
3. You don't.
4. Just as well as any other Android phone.
5. You tell us. Everyone has different needs and desires.
6. If rooting the Moto X seems difficult, what makes you sure you can easily do it with the S4?
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superm1 said:
Get root w/o unlock?
Yeah there are root methods that work, but you have to do it from 4.2.2 which ships with the phone before you take the 4.4 OTA update.
Advantage to unlocking?
Easier to root. Even if you lose root from a potential OTA update later you're OK and can easily redo it.
I'm unable to comment on most the rest since I actually got the T-Mobile variant and use it with AT&T and tether without root. The T-mobile variant only does the T-Mobile entitlement check.
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I saw that there is a way of unlocking the bootloader via motorola's site. Is this something that is limited to the dev editions, or do you know if it works with the non-dev versions as well?
Can only unlock boot loader on Dev editions. And to the original poster it is clearly posted with step by step instructions on how to root in the original android development section
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Can only unlock boot loader on Dev editions. And to the original poster it is clearly posted with step by step instructions on how to root in the original android development section
Sent from my XT1056 using xda app-developers app
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Thanks, I did not see those. I has assumed that section contained out of date info or something.
ggtsu said:
In fact I HAVE been reading about it, but I could not find a non-ambiguious answer to my ?'s hence my post. I happened to find plenty of clear answers to my questions on the S4, and have extensively rooted, rommed, and modified my Tbolt over the last few years. So yes, I did think I would be able to easily root the S4.
But thanks for being a bit of a **** about it. :good:
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If you have extensively rooted, rommed, and modified your Tbolt, rooting the VZW Moto X shouldn't be the least bit difficult at all. Just use SlapMyMoto because our phones (those purchased with the Cyber Monday deals) shipped with 4.2.2 and the camera update.
Since you feel that I was being a **** for not spoon-feeding you, sorry I'm not sorry. You've been around awhile so I assume you're aware of how Motorola phones on VZW work in terms of their bootloader, especially since you're active in the rooting/romming/modding scene.
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Thanks, I did not see those. I has assumed that section contained out of date info or something.
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well you know what they say about assuming...
ggtsu said:
I saw that there is a way of unlocking the bootloader via motorola's site. Is this something that is limited to the dev editions, or do you know if it works with the non-dev versions as well?
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This only works for specific carriers that Moto chooses to offer the unlock services to... and by doing so, they record your device ID, I believe, so your warranty is 100% voided at their end. Nothing comes for free.
If you want a scot-free unlockable bootloader, you can only get that with a Dev Edition MotoX.
Look up SlapMyMoto (at v0.5c) for the skinny on gaining root access to the locked MotoX and being able to OTA to 4.4 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48555826
Regarding Wifi Tether, there are two methods that seem to work. This is what I'm using for now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48520965&postcount=42
There is also discussion about the Entitlement override .apk here, but I haven't tried this one yet: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443562
Good luck.
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This only works for specific carriers that Moto chooses to offer the unlock services to... and by doing so, they record your device ID, I believe, so your warranty is 100% voided at their end. Nothing comes for free.
If you want a scot-free unlockable bootloader, you can only get that with a Dev Edition MotoX.
Look up SlapMyMoto (at v0.5c) for the skinny on gaining root access to the locked MotoX and being able to OTA to 4.4 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48555826
Regarding Wifi Tether, there are two methods that seem to work. This is what I'm using for now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48520965&postcount=42
There is also discussion about the Entitlement override .apk here, but I haven't tried this one yet: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443562
Good luck.
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Thanks a lot, this is a helpful list. I saw the wifi tether method you posted there before, but I am interested in giving the Entitlement override a try. I just received my phone today and noticed I'm already at 4.4. Will the SlapMyMoto technique work for me, or is that only for people that are starting from 4.2? It's not totally clear in that thread.
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Thanks a lot, this is a helpful list. I saw the wifi tether method you posted there before, but I am interested in giving the Entitlement override a try. I just received my phone today and noticed I'm already at 4.4. Will the SlapMyMoto technique work for me, or is that only for people that are starting from 4.2? It's not totally clear in that thread.
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80 pages makes a thread hard to read, the main post is also somewhat sparse on details.
You should be able to revert back to 4.2.2 using RSD Lite.
This thread points out most of the other useful threads (including one on how to flash back to 4.2.2 using RSD Lite)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2556400
The site linked to get the 4.2.2 rom is down, you can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2568334
ggtsu said:
Thanks a lot, this is a helpful list. I saw the wifi tether method you posted there before, but I am interested in giving the Entitlement override a try. I just received my phone today and noticed I'm already at 4.4. Will the SlapMyMoto technique work for me, or is that only for people that are starting from 4.2? It's not totally clear in that thread.
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You will use RSDLite, as mentioned, to revert to OEM 4.2.2 with the camera-patched image that you'd use for SlapMyMoto in the first place. See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446515
Roll back your phone (which pretty much wipes it) to 4.2.2 and start the SlapMyMoto process from there. I made the same mistake of accepting the 4.4 OTA before realizing my mistake.
Good luck!
Ran into an issue with connecting to adb, unfortunately pretty early on. Posted it in the appropriate thread, if anyone would like to chime in.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48614126#post48614126
Thanks!
Hey guys,
I just moved apartments this past weekend and I have 0 service in my new place; not even 1 bar. I've been a T-Mobile customer of 10 years and feel sad that I'm going to have to part ways. They said there's nothing they can do and they have no signal boosters in stock.
Got me thinking, I've been overpaying bigtime for this unlimited plan. Yes, I've raped them on data, but now that my life is pretty structured and on WiFi most of the time, I think I can make the RW plan work.
I thought about utilizing a VoIP/Google Voice solution but Republic seems more seamless. Anyways, I just placed and order for a new Moto X and will try out the 30 day trial.
Problem is, I cannot live without root and tweaking my phone. The tethered root is not gonna work for me, so I was thinking that while I'm on the trial, I can test out the service, and in the meantime source a Moto X that's on 4.2.2. That way, if I want to stay with RW I can just cancel the trial, return the phone, get the one with 4.2.2, and re-sign up.
Does anyone know a source of Moto Xs on 4.2.2? Doesn't have to be new.
Poi25 said:
Hey guys,
I just moved apartments this past weekend and I have 0 service in my new place; not even 1 bar. I've been a T-Mobile customer of 10 years and feel sad that I'm going to have to part ways. They said there's nothing they can do and they have no signal boosters in stock.
Got me thinking, I've been overpaying bigtime for this unlimited plan. Yes, I've raped them on data, but now that my life is pretty structured and on WiFi most of the time, I think I can make the RW plan work.
I thought about utilizing a VoIP/Google Voice solution but Republic seems more seamless. Anyways, I just placed and order for a new Moto X and will try out the 30 day trial.
Problem is, I cannot live without root and tweaking my phone. The tethered root is not gonna work for me, so I was thinking that while I'm on the trial, I can test out the service, and in the meantime source a Moto X that's on 4.2.2. That way, if I want to stay with RW I can just cancel the trial, return the phone, get the one with 4.2.2, and re-sign up.
Does anyone know a source of Moto Xs on 4.2.2? Doesn't have to be new.
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First, RW will only activate Republic Wireless Moto X's. It can't be just any old X. You will be hard-pressed to find a used RW phone that is still on 4.2.2.
Second, if you ordered from RW directly, there is a good chance the phone you will get is still on 4.2.2. If you ordered from MotoMaker, it will almost certainly be on 4.4.2 already.
Third, for $45 you can [probably] unlock your bootloader! I haven't seen a single RW customer not get an unlock code yet. (See the "China Middleman Back??" thread in General for more details). I got both my RW Moto X's unlocked through the middleman.
Any more questions? BTW, I would have given you a $20 coupon if you posted before you ordered... And yeah, I love their service.
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First, RW will only activate Republic Wireless Moto X's. It can't be just any old X. You will be hard-pressed to find a used RW phone that is still on 4.2.2.
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Yes, I know.
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Second, if you ordered from RW directly, there is a good chance the phone you will get is still on 4.2.2. If you ordered from MotoMaker, it will almost certainly be on 4.4.2 already.
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That would be amazing.
samwathegreat said:
Third, for $45 you can [probably] unlock your bootloader! I haven't seen a single RW customer not get an unlock code yet. (See the "China Middleman Back??" thread in General for more details). I got both my RW Moto X's unlocked through the middleman.
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Well, come to think of it, if I get a phone that can have full root with write enabled, what would unlocking the bootloader give me over and beyond what I need? I'll be sticking to stock ROM anyways. Wouldn't be flashing any custom ROMs or anything unless they retain the WiFi calling aspect, which is why I'm switching to RW to begin with.
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BTW, I would have given you a $20 coupon if you posted before you ordered
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lol I found a random guy's referral code on Reddit, I'm sure he's happy.
My original question is a preemptive information gathering one. I'm just wondering, if the Moto X I receive is 4.4.2 or above, where I could go about finding one with 4.4 or below.
One more quick random question: reading the different root methods for each version, it says 4.4 can be downgraded to 4.2.2 post camera update, but not pre. Why would anyone want to go pre-camera update anyways, didn't that fix camera issues?
Poi25 said:
Well, come to think of it, if I get a phone that can have full root with write enabled, what would unlocking the bootloader give me over and beyond what I need? I'll be sticking to stock ROM anyways. Wouldn't be flashing any custom ROMs or anything unless they retain the WiFi calling aspect, which is why I'm switching to RW to begin with.
My original question is a preemptive information gathering one. I'm just wondering, if the Moto X I receive is 4.4.2 or above, where I could go about finding one with 4.4 or below.
One more quick random question: reading the different root methods for each version, it says 4.4 can be downgraded to 4.2.2 post camera update, but not pre. Why would anyone want to go pre-camera update anyways, didn't that fix camera issues?
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OK, first, bootloader-unlocking is far superior to the root/wp-off exploit. If you ever want to update past 4.4, you have to use safestrap, which is a big hack. Great for those who have no other options, but complicated and tricky. And your bootloader and partition table REMAIN on 4.4. This may cause problems with future updates (4.4.4 +?). We just don't know what the future holds.
With your bootloader unlocked, you have permanent ability to root, no matter what android version you are running. You can update to the latest version with ease, and don't have to worry about someone creating a new safestrap-compatible ROM that will work for your device.
If you didn't already know, Hashcode is dropping support for safestrap soon, so it may end up being a thing of the past...
Yes, 4.4 can only be downgraded to 4.2.2 post-camera - otherwise you will brick. If you were on the original 4.2.2, you could use jcase's "PwnMyMoto" exploit which is very easy, and disables write-protect and roots.
4.2.2 Post-camera can only use "RockMyMoto" which is much more complicated and involved, and also requires "MotoWpNoMo" to disable WP before you can use it.
Again, these exploits are complicated and tricky. With your bootloader unlocked, even on the latest android version, you simply flash TWRP, which roots for you. Done. And no worries about future updates patching the previous exploits. Very clean, and easy.
samwathegreat said:
Again, these exploits are complicated and tricky. With your bootloader unlocked, even on the latest android version, you simply flash TWRP, which roots for you. Done. And no worries about future updates patching the previous exploits. Very clean, and easy.
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Fair enough. So I'm guessing you just flash the new ROM (for updates) through TWRP and then just flash SuperSU for root?
I'm totally new to this device, just started researching it today, and unsure how the switchis ggoing to be. I'm literally going from the biggest device out there (6.4" Xperia Z Ultra) to the 4.7" Moto X lol.
Poi25 said:
Fair enough. So I'm guessing you just flash the new ROM (for updates) through TWRP and then just flash SuperSU for root?
I'm totally new to this device, just started researching it today, and unsure how the switchis ggoing to be. I'm literally going from the biggest device out there (6.4" Xperia Z Ultra) to the 4.7" Moto X lol.
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Nope, you have to have stock recovery for OTAs. I suggest you read up on some of the guides for unlocked users...don't want to spend a bunch of time detailing what is already in multiple guides. See the "One Stop shop" rooting thread for specifics.
Here's the short version: when a new OTA update is available, you use fastboot to flash stock recovery back on. Then you take the update. Afterwards, you can flash TWRP back on and re-root. You only need to do this for updates. (This is for UNLOCKED devices -- safestrap is much more complicated and again, it may lose support in the near future. I highly suggest getting unlocked if you can.)
IMO, the Moto X is the perfect size. I couldn't comfortably fit any larger of a phone in my pocket...and since I don't carry a big 'purse' or similar LOL, I don't want some massive device. I really dislike this new trend for 'phablets'. Way too big for my liking.
Anyways, good luck. Hope you enjoy RW.
samwathegreat said:
I suggest you read up on some of the guides for unlocked users...don't want to spend a bunch of time detailing what is already in multiple guides. See the "One Stop shop" rooting thread for specifics.
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Just wanted to say first, thank you for your help. Great introduction to Moto X community.
I read up on the bootloader unlocking and root in the One Stop Shop thread. Unless I'm missing something, I will be unable to unlock the bootloader on the RW. At least that's what I got from the thread. RW Moto X is not listed as an unlockable bootloader.
Poi25 said:
Just wanted to say first, thank you for your help. Great introduction to Moto X community.
I read up on the bootloader unlocking and root in the One Stop Shop thread. Unless I'm missing something, I will be unable to unlock the bootloader on the RW. At least that's what I got from the thread. RW Moto X is not listed as an unlockable bootloader.
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You are welcome....but you are missing something. Specifically my 2nd post:
samwathegreat said:
Third, for $45 you can [probably] unlock your bootloader! I haven't seen a single RW customer not get an unlock code yet. (See the "China Middleman Back??" thread in General for more details). I got both my RW Moto X's unlocked through the middleman.
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See that thread for details....some dude in China is selling unlock codes. They work!!! All the details are in that thread...but basically you paypal him $45 (and put your IMEI and email in the notes) and he sends you an unlock code. If he doesn't have your code, you get refunded.
samwathegreat said:
You are welcome....but you are missing something. Specifically my 2nd post:
See that thread for details....some dude in China is selling unlock codes. They work!!! All the details are in that thread...but basically you paypal him $45 (and put your IMEI and email in the notes) and he sends you an unlock code. If he doesn't have your code, you get refunded.
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Just received the RW MotoX yesterday, it is on 4.2.2 which is nice. However, if I do end up staying with RW I'll probably try and source one that's cheaper and return this one. I wonder if They'll offer the X+1 which seems a bit more enticing to me.
First impressions: Boy this thing is small (4.7" compared to 6.4" Xperia Z Ultra). I don't know if I'll be able to get over that size difference, but I will use this for a few weeks and see how I feel. I actually get Sprint reception in my apartment which I was surprised about. I'm impressed so far with the WiFi calling feature. A lot more seamless and better quality than VoIP through native android dialer using an Anveo DID.
I don't see a point in unlocking the bootloader on this thing if I'll probably return it (would wait to spend that $45 on the other if I can source one), but I'd love to tinker with this and set things up to my liking. Is there a way for me to root/update with the ability to return this to bone stock to return to RW? Or must I do nothing to this device?
Poi25 said:
Just received the RW MotoX yesterday, it is on 4.2.2 which is nice. However, if I do end up staying with RW I'll probably try and source one that's cheaper and return this one. I wonder if They'll offer the X+1 which seems a bit more enticing to me.
First impressions: Boy this thing is small (4.7" compared to 6.4" Xperia Z Ultra). I don't know if I'll be able to get over that size difference, but I will use this for a few weeks and see how I feel. I actually get Sprint reception in my apartment which I was surprised about. I'm impressed so far with the WiFi calling feature. A lot more seamless and better quality than VoIP through native android dialer using an Anveo DID.
I don't see a point in unlocking the bootloader on this thing if I'll probably return it (would wait to spend that $45 on the other if I can source one), but I'd love to tinker with this and set things up to my liking. Is there a way for me to root/update with the ability to return this to bone stock to return to RW? Or must I do nothing to this device?
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Well you won't find one for that much cheaper. They are selling used for ~$200 on Swappa and slightly higher on eBay. The fact that you got one on 4.2.2 is excellent - you probably won't find a used one that's not already on 4.4.2. This means that you could follow the safestrap guide to disable write-protect and use the safestrap-compatible 4.4.2 ROM which is the next best thing to having an unlocked BL. Once updated to 4.4.2, you can kiss the possibility of using safestrap goodbye...
Additionally if you return it, you are out shipping costs (~$10), and you will lose your $20 referral credit. So at most you will get $70 for all of your troubles and have to deal with all the hassle along with it. Not to mention getting a USED phone with no warranty as opposed to the full 1YR warranty you got with your new device.
I agree it is small and I just LOVE it. I hate the "phablet" fad that is going on. Anything bigger than the X, I can't fit in my pants pocket comfortably. And I'm a dude....so I don't carry a purse to put some massive phone in.
Until you decide whether or not you are going to keep it, you can enjoy limited root access via "TowelPieRoot" here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ieroot-motorola-devices-t2825059/post54850209
(Remember to "THANK" @iKrYpToNiTe for his awesome work combining TR and PIE for an effective temp-root solution.) Keep in mind this solution does NOT disable write protect, so DON'T update past 4.2.2 if there is any possibility that you will keep the device. If you decide to keep it, you will HAVE to be on 4.2.2 to disable WP and gain persistent root and write access. Of course, don't do the safestrap procedures unless you decide to keep it.
No idea if they will offer the X+1...we might find out in September. I'm sticking with the original X. I don't like big phones....I just don't get the appeal. To each their own...
Have fun playing with it.
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Well you won't find one for that much cheaper. They are selling used for ~$200 on Swappa and slightly higher on eBay. The fact that you got one on 4.2.2 is excellent - you probably won't find a used one that's not already on 4.4.2. This means that you could follow the safestrap guide to disable write-protect and use the safestrap-compatible 4.4.2 ROM which is the next best thing to having an unlocked BL. Once updated to 4.4.2, you can kiss the possibility of using safestrap goodbye...
Additionally if you return it, you are out shipping costs (~$10), and you will lose your $20 referral credit. So at most you will get $70 for all of your troubles and have to deal with all the hassle along with it. Not to mention getting a USED phone with no warranty as opposed to the full 1YR warranty you got with your new device.
I agree it is small and I just LOVE it. I hate the "phablet" fad that is going on. Anything bigger than the X, I can't fit in my pants pocket comfortably. And I'm a dude....so I don't carry a purse to put some massive phone in.
Until you decide whether or not you are going to keep it, you can enjoy limited root access via "TowelPieRoot" here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ieroot-motorola-devices-t2825059/post54850209
(Remember to "THANK" @iKrYpToNiTe for his awesome work combining TR and PIE for an effective temp-root solution.) Keep in mind this solution does NOT disable write protect, so DON'T update past 4.2.2 if there is any possibility that you will keep the device. If you decide to keep it, you will HAVE to be on 4.2.2 to disable WP and gain persistent root and write access. Of course, don't do the safestrap procedures unless you decide to keep it.
No idea if they will offer the X+1...we might find out in September. I'm sticking with the original X. I don't like big phones....I just don't get the appeal. To each their own...
Have fun playing with it.
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Good points, will keep that in mind. Well if I decide to keep the device, I'd like to forgo the safestrap methods altogether and unlock the BL via the middleman. I can deal with having write protection for a few weeks, as I'll still be able to install Xposed and all the root apps, correct?
You mentioned safestrap, but I was under the impression I could skip that completely with BL unlock. Are you saying that the temp root solution will require me to use safestrap in the future?
Poi25 said:
Good points, will keep that in mind. Well if I decide to keep the device, I'd like to forgo the safestrap methods altogether and unlock the BL via the middleman. I can deal with having write protection for a few weeks, as I'll still be able to install Xposed and all the root apps, correct?
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You will have serious problems trying to get Xposed to work without disabling WP. If you are able to use it, it will be lost upon reboot and you'll have to get it working again. It's complicated and messy trying to get Xposed working on a temp-root.
Most other root apps will work fine with TowelPieRoot. Ad-away will not as it requires write access to /system.
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You mentioned safestrap, but I was under the impression I could skip that completely with BL unlock. Are you saying that the temp root solution will require me to use safestrap in the future?
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Um..no. If you unlock via middleman, none of this is relevant. You don't need safestrap or any other exploit. You device will essentially be an unofficial "DEV" edition.
Safestrap is an alternative for people who are not unlocked. It provides most of the benefits of a full unlock, but you MUST have never updated to 4.4.2 or above or you cannot use it as it has been patched.
If you plan to unlock, don't worry about updating or safestrap. Thing is....the middleman has failed to get codes for some devices, so better to play it safe and stay on 4.2.2 until AFTER you get a code from him and unlock.
Regardless of what you do, the temp-root solution won't affect any of it. Safe to use in the meantime - until you make your final decisions.
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Regardless of what you do, the temp-root solution won't affect any of it. Safe to use in the meantime - until you make your final decisions.
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Great, that's what I wanted to know, and was planning on doing that (staying on 4.2.2 until I decide what to do). I disabled automatic update immediately and keep postponing update requests every 24 hours. Wish there was a way to remove the update prompt altogether.
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Great, that's what I wanted to know, and was planning on doing that (staying on 4.2.2 until I decide what to do). I disabled automatic update immediately and keep postponing update requests every 24 hours. Wish there was a way to remove the update prompt altogether.
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There is....if you have purchased Titanium Backup, install it. Use TowelPieRoot to root, and then run Titanium Backup and "FREEZE" "MotorolaOTA". The paid version of TiBu is required to freeze apps.
No more update notifications. And if you get a code from the middleman in the future...well unlocking resets everything to factory defaults so you can update then.
samwathegreat said:
Until you decide whether or not you are going to keep it, you can enjoy limited root access via "TowelPieRoot" here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ieroot-motorola-devices-t2825059/post54850209
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Doesnt work.
Says Root Achieved within TowelRoot but SuperSU gives me error that binary cannot be installed amd TiBu gives me error regarding root access.
Poi25 said:
Doesnt work.
Says Root Achieved within TowelRoot but SuperSU gives me error that binary cannot be installed amd TiBu gives me error regarding root access.
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That's your problem. You don't use SuperSU with temp roots. Reboot, use TPR, and tibu should work without issue. Once don't this on several phones.. I know it works. Don't install SuperSU.
samwathegreat said:
That's your problem. You don't use SuperSU with temp roots. Reboot, use TPR, and tibu should work without issue. Once don't this on several phones.. I know it works. Don't install SuperSU.
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Negative. I only installed SuperSU after TiBu gave me the error. uninstalled both, reinstalled TPR, got root confirm, rebooted, and TiBu still saying:
sorry I could not acquire root privileges
Poi25 said:
Negative. I only installed SuperSU after TiBu gave me the error. uninstalled both, reinstalled TPR, got root confirm, rebooted, and TiBu still saying:
sorry I could not acquire root privileges
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Strange. The problem then could be that you are on 4.2.2.
TPR is for 4.4+
I've only used it on 4.4.2 on which it works flawlessly. That's my best guess.
samwathegreat said:
Strange. The problem then could be that you are on 4.2.2.
TPR is for 4.4+
I've only used it on 4.4.2 on which it works flawlessly. That's my best guess.
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Any other options? Or you think I should just deal with it for a few weeks until I make my decision?
Poi25 said:
Any other options? Or you think I should just deal with it for a few weeks until I make my decision?
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You could use pwnmymoto. Technically it will void your warranty but as long as you do a full return to stock I doubt they could tell.
My original GS5 had a broken gyroscope and I had it replaced a few weeks ago. I didn't expect or realize that Asurian, the company that does At&t's insurance, would send me one running Lollipop, still in original packaging no less. After trying and failing to downgrade to 4.4.2 for hours, I found out that it's not possible.
So, with no exploits to work with, a locked and encrypted bootloader, and some Xposed Modules no longer working from the looks of some forum posts, is GS5 rooting officially dead? Is there some other option that hasn't been considered to acquire root? Since I'm out of warranty, I don't care about tripping KNOX.
Is it possible to completely remove all the software on the phone and replace it with rooted software? I know it may sound idiotic, but I'm no developer, just a guy who likes tinkering with tech, so go easy on me please. I only ask this because I was thinking of getting some outside help to possibly decrypt the bootloader. I've read on other forums that trying to decrypt a phone bootloader is a worthless endeavour but it didn't stop me from looking. As it turns out, even with an extensive Google search, there is no explaination of the subject of bootloader decryption, no software to use, no experts in the field explaining their experience or anything at all helpful.
I'm very much pissed that my first dive into the Android (customizable) experience with the GS5 was first stilted by At&t and now killed. I have not seen any updates indicating any progress on rooting and I'm hoping it's only because I missed it. Considering the time elapsed and the bounty for decrypting the software never being claimed, shall I lose hope and wait out this crappy device until I can buy a new one? Or, is root still of some concern?
Hey, I'm sorry to hear about your loss of root. As far as I know it's dead for now unless someone comes up with something. Not sure if anyone has tried flashing a boot loader from another carrier or not but, that might work. Only thing is, if it doesn't you lost your phone.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Good to know.
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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If I could find a SM-G800M at a decent price, I would! It's the only mini model with all four of the same LTE and LTE-A bands that AT&T operates.
unixasaurusrex said:
Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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I will be following that advice in the future!
Furious over the forced 5.0 FOTA upgrade with ATT's bootloader and no way to flash 4.4.2. or a custom rom...
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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I'll donate large sums to this cause just on principle.
ATT hasn't completely locked down their Galaxy Notes (it can be flashed back to their 4.4.2 stock rom from 5.0.1)... Just primarily their S5...
Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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I posed the same question, whether the devs thought stagefright could be used to facilitate rooting the ATT Note 4 and @graydiggy was awesome at explaining the exploit may only work on phones without write protection (the Nexus line).
Wonder if Joshua Drake (who discovered the flaw) would be willing to assist xdaers with this ATT S5 root issue should a proper bounty be offered. Seems Google paid him only about $1500 for reporting the problem and for the patches he created and sent (to Google)...
Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. Maybe PM them?
Hope is good thing... maybe the best of things.
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...Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. ...
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Go Kingxteam !!! All glory and honor and praise to you all -- especially if you can "tame this wild horse" with a root. :victory:
I'm new to all this rooting and don't understand any of the language yet but would like to start rooting. Unfortunately the phone I have seems to be unrootable. Anyone know if I can root my memo pad 7 on AT&T don't know model number but I do know it's running kk4.4
Just got this phone a week ago and returning/exchanging isn't an option for me. I really hope there are still some ambitious devs out there looking for a solution to rooting the lollipop OC4 version, although I fear the majority have moved on. :crying:
I'm sure this question has probably been answered, somewhere, but it's proven impossible for me to find locate a definitive answer. There are so many different variables.
For the love of all that is good, would somebody please lay it on me: am I SOL or is there some slim ray of hope that I can downgrade my device so that I can use Towelroot? This latest time I've found a little new material so dumped 3 hours chasing down dead ends to no avail.
There are so many half assed or antiquated tutorials out there, many of which weren't carried out by their creators or they'd have found they missed a step. One points to chainfire downloads but the 870A is not supported. Geh.
Thanx for whatever help you can give me!
Has anyone got a guide to rooting a s5 active on android 5. The at&t software is driving me nuts especially the TV remote. Has anyone got a guide to rooting a s5 active on android 5.
The at&t software is driving me nuts especially the TV remote it's hideous and sits in the background.
Many thanks
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I'm sure this question has probably been answered, somewhere, but it's proven impossible for me to find locate a definitive answer. There are so many different variables.
For the love of all that is good, would somebody please lay it on me: am I SOL or is there some slim ray of hope that I can downgrade my device so that I can use Towelroot? This latest time I've found a little new material so dumped 3 hours chasing down dead ends to no avail.
There are so many half assed or antiquated tutorials out there, many of which weren't carried out by their creators or they'd have found they missed a step. One points to chainfire downloads but the 870A is not supported. Geh.
Thanx for whatever help you can give me!
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Has anyone got a guide to rooting a s5 active on android 5. The at&t software is driving me nuts especially the TV remote. Has anyone got a guide to rooting a s5 active on android 5.
The at&t software is driving me nuts especially the TV remote it's hideous and sits in the background.
Many thanks
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Unfortunately we don't have an experimental firmware to flash on the Active. This is preventing us from developing a reliable and safe rooting method at the moment.
There's a small chance you'll have some success with Kingroot on Lollipop, but (as with all chinese one-click root things) Kingroot is very sketchy and I would factory reset before trying to use it, since it is known to send data to China.
Sorry we can't be of much more help The actives have always been significantly harder to root.
Hi VZW G2 fellows,
To make it clear I don't have a VZW G2, but I do plan to purchase another VZW LG phone which, like G2, has the damn limit on hotspot. I intend to use hotspot with a foreign SIM card and not with VZW's tethering plan.
I saw a lot of threads about modified HotspotProvision.apk's that allow you to bypass the limit, but all of the threads only offer APK's for download, none actually tells us how the modification is achieved. Since the device I'm looking to purchase is very unpopular, I reckon I have to do the modification myself instead of relying on a pre-modified APK. I do have APKTool and Virtuous Ten Studio experience, and have modified some APKs for personal use in the past, so technique is not a problem.
Can anyone share how it's done if you happen to know it? The phone in question is running KitKat, if that matters. Thanks in advance.
Bump. Even an Xposed solution would be nice.
I actually tried decompiling a modified APK and the original and see the difference, but there are so many I can't be sure they're all required if I apply them on a different phone...
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