Android Auto via WiFi - Android Auto General

So it was announced today at Google I/O that Android Auto is going to be updated soon to be able to function over Wi-Fi. My 2015 Hyundai Sonata has a Wi-Fi connection. I can connect to any hotspot that I want. So, my question is do you think that the automaker will actually have to support this functionality and make some change in the car or is this all done on Google's side? Obviously, if the car maker has to make a change to support this then I'm guessing it is highly unlikely that existing car models will be updated to support this.

i wonder how it will impact audio quality

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If the Chromecast have Bluetooth 3.0 why we cant listen local music on TV?

Hello, my curiosity of the Chromecast take me to this website:
http://asia.cnet.com/google-chromecast-supports-bluetooth-62221903.htm
Accord to this article the Chromecast supports Bluetooth 3.0, then my question is, why we cant play some local music in Google Play Music for listen on the TV?
Probablly is disable this tecnology but I know this comunity could do the work for add this function.
Braaank said:
Hello, my curiosity of the Chromecast take me to this website:
http://asia.cnet.com/google-chromecast-supports-bluetooth-62221903.htm
Accord to this article the Chromecast supports Bluetooth 3.0, then my question is, why we cant play some local music in Google Play Music for listen on the TV?
Probablly is disable this tecnology but I know this comunity could do the work for add this function.
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I didn't look at the article but to answer your question most wifi chips now are made with bluetooth and sometimes FM radio option. Bluetooth as of now is not used on this chip/device.
dallastx said:
I didn't look at the article but to answer your question most wifi chips now are made with bluetooth and sometimes FM radio option. Bluetooth as of now is not used on this chip/device.
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if we dont ever end up seeing bluetooth active on this it might even be because its physically disabled inside the chip via the manufacturer so even with device drivers on the unit it wouldn't be able to use it.. its happened before sort of a method to ensure that nobody uses something that needs to have a licensing paid for to an organisation or another company.. does Bluetooth 3.0 need to have a license paid per X# devices?
anyways random thought.. who knows maybe it is enabled and an update in 6 months will see it active on the devices via an update.
Yeah, I don't know if there are specific licensing fees but there are licensing restrictions that require an agreement with the Bluetooth SIG to enable Bluetooth in your device.
Either way, this should ultimately be possible through WiFi which would give you much better audio quality. It's just that none of the Android apps support streaming content directly from the device (yet).

Accessing SD card that is in the car from android auto

Hi all,
I'm thinking about buying a new car equipped with android auto. This car comes with an SD card slot where you can store music to use with the regular infotainment system. I was wondering if that SD card can also be accessed from android auto? I currently have a 16 GB Nexus 5X so it would be nice if I could use the SD card in the car, while driving.
I'm asking here because I'm sure the sales people don't even know what android auto is, so I don't really trust them.
Thanks.
My car stereo (Pioneer AVIC-F77DAB) has an SD card slot and I can't access it through android auto. I have to go into the stereos main screen to access music/video from SD card. Hope this helps
wallacerp said:
My car stereo (Pioneer AVIC-F77DAB) has an SD card slot and I can't access it through android auto. I have to go into the stereos main screen to access music/video from SD card. Hope this helps
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Thanks for the answer, I was kind of expecting this but I wanted to make sure. If anybody has a different experience please let me know.
wallacerp is correct.
AA has no way at present to play audio sourced from the headunit, whether CDs, SDCard or AM/FM/HD/Sat etc.
Maybe in some future release 1-3 years from now.
There are strings within the AA code indicating Google might be experimenting with this. But it's in Googles interest to have us using Google Play Music. (Though deals with auto OEMs to share car data with Google could shift that interest.)
Hi,
Peharps, in the future a new release of the AA protocol will include this., However, HU manufacturers can implement this AT TIME:
* Share the SD content using DLNA over the WiFi. Typically, you mobile and your HU can be connected by WiFi, additionally to AA USB connection. On this wireless network you can use any PLAYER App compatible with AA that can play from DLNA sources... in this case the HU.
I found this solution quite complex but viable... I do something similar in my VW.
manos78 said:
Hi,
Peharps, in the future a new release of the AA protocol will include this., However, HU manufacturers can implement this AT TIME:
* Share the SD content using DLNA over the WiFi. Typically, you mobile and your HU can be connected by WiFi, additionally to AA USB connection. On this wireless network you can use any PLAYER App compatible with AA that can play from DLNA sources... in this case the HU.
I found this solution quite complex but viable... I do something similar in my VW.
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Hmm, OK. But a bit complicated and potentially fragile I think.
I am not aware of any aftermarket AA HU that supports Wifi, never mind DLNA on top.
I presume your VW HU does, but I'm not sure about others.
My first thought was using flash USB connected to the phone, but I think it goes the wrong direction to use a hub to share the USB needed for AA. In theory AA over Wifi (or USB hub'd ethernet ?) could free up the USB, but it's not clear that Google will support AA over IP officially any time soon.
mikereidis said:
wallacerp is correct.
AA has no way at present to play audio sourced from the headunit, whether CDs, SDCard or AM/FM/HD/Sat etc.
Maybe in some future release 1-3 years from now.
There are strings within the AA code indicating Google might be experimenting with this. But it's in Googles interest to have us using Google Play Music. (Though deals with auto OEMs to share car data with Google could shift that interest.)
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Well, it's kind of a no-brainer that people would want to listen to FM radio and use navigation at the same time. Same goes for an SD card or CD you might have in the car. As it is I'm leaning towards buying a cheaper car model and just using a mount for the phone when I need it. Especially since I have no guarantee that if Google does implement this in the future, it will work with my car.
This guy has a mode button on his device that allows him to switch between Android Auto and his normal infotainment system. That's at least an option, but I'm not sure if it works the same on the one that comes with VW cars.
https://youtu.be/Mw7BYxyC_3Q?t=13m31s
sorin7486 said:
This guy has a mode button on his device that allows him to switch between Android Auto and his normal infotainment system. That's at least an option, but I'm not sure if it works the same on the one that comes with VW cars.
https://youtu.be/Mw7BYxyC_3Q?t=13m31s
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That is a standard Pioneer AA HU feature. I would have thought other HUs can do the same, but maybe some don't.
sorin7486 said:
Well, it's kind of a no-brainer that people would want to listen to FM radio and use navigation at the same time. Same goes for an SD card or CD you might have in the car. As it is I'm leaning towards buying a cheaper car model and just using a mount for the phone when I need it. Especially since I have no guarantee that if Google does implement this in the future, it will work with my car.
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My negative reply was about not being able to control FM and other HU sourced audio from the Android Auto screen UI.
Pioneer HUs (at least) allow you to start FM (or whatever), then start AA and FM will continue playing. FM will pause or drop volume when using AA navigation, so that's a crude form of basic "integration".
But you have to leave the AA UI in order to deal with FM etc on the HU screen (buttons might work, I've never actually tried this.)
So there is no seamless integration that allows you to control FM etc on the HU screen while staying within the AA UI. And most of us find it a bit jarring to switch between UIs, so we try to stay within one UI, which effectively means the AA UI.
It may be a "no brainer" that we all want seamless integration, but that doesn't mean that Google will support it.
Google music services compete with FM radio. This is why Google has never supported FM on Nexus devices. Google also killed attempts to create standard FM radio APIs for Android (while pretending to support them).
Basically, Google wants us to use Google Play Music from within AA and purposely makes it difficult to access FM/HD/CD/etc... in a seamless manner.
Yah, I have a feeling that most HUs have AA as just another app of sorts instead of AA taking over completely. That was my impression because ever review only really shows the features of AA, not how you would use it day to day. And I get what you're saying about the radio but I think cars are a bit different: the people who listen to the radio on their phone have usually been a minority, while almost everyone uses it in the car. In any case, if AA doesn't take over completely I see no reason for them or the car companies to integrate other car functions into AA.
thanks for the reply

Android Auto wireless

Hi,
Anyone has some information about Android Auto Wireless?
Pioneer presented the first AA wireless headunit 2 weeks ago.
I think VW Discover Pro MIB2 with latest FW can support AA wireless as there are some codings for this .
Is there an new version from AA for wireless support ?
There is no such option in the latest APK on play store
Interested about news and reviews on wireless Android auto units...I read all the news / press release and see few videos of the units but we have to wait until March / April for release...
I emailed Kenwood about theirs, but they just said they did not have a release date available yet
This looks legit.
Can someone with a Nexus or Pixel confirm this?
http://piunikaweb.com/2018/04/13/good-news-can-now-access-android-auto-wirelessly/
Looks like today's update from the play store has it.. if you don't see the update, you can get the latest version from apkmirror.
melophat said:
Looks like today's update from the play store has it.. if you don't see the update, you can get the latest version from apkmirror.
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Latest one on there is 27th March
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
afaik the HU will require Wi-fi for wireless android auto.
I can confirm that the Discover Media MIB2 with Navigation (I have one in my 2017 Tiguan MK2) has Wifi built in, and the headunit coding does have options for both wireless Car Play and Wireless Android Auto. However, these are both SWaP (Software As Product) functions so need activation codes from VW to enable.
I have successfully enable WiFi on my head-unit, but there isn't much you can do with it since all the connected features require VW CarNet, which isn't available in New Zealand.
Currently using the jvc kw-m845bw that supports Wireless Android auto. Currently driving right now with the wireless Android auto working. It's a nice feature, but it would be much nicer if carstream worked on it.
rester555 said:
Currently using the jvc kw-m845bw that supports Wireless Android auto. Currently driving right now with the wireless Android auto working. It's a nice feature, but it would be much nicer if carstream worked on it.
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Hi, @rester555
Could you please let me know, how phone and car are connected? Bluetooth or wi-fi? How AA is started? Are you starting manually?
So, wireless thing is new for me, that is why asking?
Thanks in advance.
wertasd said:
Hi, @rester555
Could you please let me know, how phone and car are connected? Bluetooth or wi-fi? How AA is started? Are you starting manually?
So, wireless thing is new for me, that is why asking?
Thanks in advance.
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@henno88 Sorry for the late post. So when I connect my car it seems to be handshaking on bluetooth and wifi when the head unit is connected. I think when I make calls it's connected to bluetooth, but when I activate Android Auto, it's connected via wifi. I am driving a 2013 ford focus with the JVC KW-M845BW. For my phone, I am using the Pixel 2 XL unlocked variant.
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To everyone here. Carstream also allows you to play youtube videos on the Android Auto as well now with version 2.0.
Tried to apply "How To use Android Auto Wireless!" but is halted
Hi
Sorry if I mess threads and things up, but I don't know where to stage my question???
I have followed the instructions in xda video "How To use Android Auto Wireless!" on Youtube and I have a question on one of the stages.
At one point I get a screen where I can choose on "Toggle Wifi on Power" among other things, and the video doesn't tell me what to do. There are no OK button or equivalent.
I can't post a pic or link to pic while I'm new here.
Samsung S9 as Master (Not rooted)
Samsung S6 as slave (Not rooted)
Mazda CX-5 2017.
Stationed in Stockholm, Sweden.
Help??
Do many people use this currently for Wireless Android Auto?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ge...droid-3-0-proxy-gateway-android-auto-t3813163
and
https://9to5google.com/2019/08/29/android-auto-4-6-kill-phone-ui-assistant-driving-mode/
I have Kenwood DMX 8019dabs and samsung s8+ with 9.0 pie (rooted)
Android auto wireless and mirror link works just great. I mean really great!!
Android auto is 4.7 and there is carstream and aa browser what i use.
I have to do nothing just plug usb to phone, set u p wifi from kenwood and thats it.. now whitout usb cable....
Android Auto wireless, in a Saab 9-5
Nice!
hugo_nz said:
I can confirm that the Discover Media MIB2 with Navigation (I have one in my 2017 Tiguan MK2) has Wifi built in, and the headunit coding does have options for both wireless Car Play and Wireless Android Auto. However, these are both SWaP (Software As Product) functions so need activation codes from VW to enable.
I have successfully enable WiFi on my head-unit, but there isn't much you can do with it since all the connected features require VW CarNet, which isn't available in New Zealand.
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Replying to an old post, I know, but has there been any development on using the Discover Media built-in WiFi with wireless Android Auto? I have enabled WiFi in my Mk7 Golf and find that it is similarly useless in Australia - can't even stream music. Wireless AA would be absolutely awesome.

Android Auto Wireless - 2017 Buick Encore?

Does anyone know if a 2017 Buick Encore head unit will support wireless Android Auto? It has wifi...
My Galaxy S9 Android Auto has an option to enable wireless projection but it will not connect to the head unit.
buckeyestargazer said:
Does anyone know if a 2017 Buick Encore head unit will support wireless Android Auto? It has wifi...
My Galaxy S9 Android Auto has an option to enable wireless projection but it will not connect to the head unit.
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Read the manual for your car. Look in the multimedia section in the characteristics of the head unit for support Android Auto Wireles. But I'm 99% sure that your car does not support.
Uksus17 said:
But I'm 99% sure that your car does not support.
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Yes, I'm sure also that the head unit does not currently support wireless AA. I guess I'm wondering if a software/firmware update of the head unit from Buick could eventually enable wireless AA, or is that not how this works?
It's a difficult question. If head unit is built-in WiFi, then this can be solved with the new firmware. However, manufacturers are very reluctant to support media devices.
I found this information: Read
Uksus17 said:
It's a difficult question. If head unit is built-in WiFi, then this can be solved with the new firmware. However, manufacturers are very reluctant to support media devices.
I found this information: Read
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From that article it sounds like there's more involved than just a head unit firmware update. In particular, I believe my car only has a single band WiFi connection as I only get 2.4ghz and not 5ghz. If the article is accurate then that would mean there's no hope for my car. Bummer. Oh well...

Question The good old Android Auto Vivo Problem

Hey Guys,
i searched the Web for a possibility to get AA running on my X70 Pro+ with Origin OS Ocean....
Unfortunately there are only Posts and Threads about the X60 and other Vivo Phones and so on .
The issue seems to be the same.
Has anyone found a workaround to get AA running on Origin OS....?
I was hoping for Android 12 to get the Phone going, but no Idea what time we will get Android 12 and if Vivo sets permissions for AA then.
Cheers and greetings from Germany
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
piskr said:
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
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Thank you very much for the detailed explanation
Im looking for an EZ solution too
But from my knowledge the only work around right now is root the phone and make AA an system app
which is not EZ for vivo since it does not allow to unlock bootloader
There is simply no chance to run AA with x70 pro+ now. The only viable solution are android dongles running on past Android versions and triggering car AA. Or even better - if you have or can buy cheap an Android 8, 9 or 10 phone with full gps and at least 4g ram (could be with broken screen or scratches), you can use it as an interface.
The only way to have android auto to work on your vehicle is to have the one with Funtouch OS (which I have), other than that, you will waste your time in trying to find a way to make it work..
piskr said:
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
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Will a dongle fix the connection issue?
piskr said:
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
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My head unit is after market and supports wireless. I know that my x fold won't hook up. Are you saying if I get carplay dongle I can hook my vivo wifi to it and it will work?
Sonicsoul25 said:
My head unit is after market and supports wireless. I know that my x fold won't hook up. Are you saying if I get carplay dongle I can hook my vivo wifi to it and it will work?
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The head unit has to support Android Auto. Then you can choose from a variety of dongles. Even though they have more or less the same chip, they are different. Each producer tries to squeeze the most from the device, and they have a different approach.
Basically, you must avoid those, which don't clearly stated that some version of Android is installed. Without Android you gain nothing, it's only wireless connection - for IOS.
Most of them have Android 9 or 10, though in the last time 11 appears as well. That is really interesting, because with Android 11 you must have AA as a system app in order to trigger it on a head unit. It looks like producers now solve that issue.
And surprisingly, the core you get on the head unit, if everything goes ok, is not Android, it's IOS. In that core you have android apps including Google Play.
Since, as I said, every unit has a unique configuration, it's not possible to recommend any. The device that I bought is not in the market anymore, for example.
The very piece that you buy must play well with your car head unit and everything what is behind. And behind is a lot, managing systems for settings, audio and other customization.
You must be aware, when you connect AA dongle, it cuts every other setting related to its management out.
Therefore, the biggest issue might be that you'll lose calling via Bluetooth functionality. Because callings (and old style sms) goes different way than other features. My dongle does support calling but in limited way, without Assistant support and with custom made phone app, where the contact selection is rather difficult. And the next flaw is that it doesn't get along with my car audio system, therefore woofers are not engaged. The dongle doesn't have an equalizer, and I can't remedy it.
There is noticeable lag when starting apps and with commands, but otherwise there is no lag when running. Music, video and Gmaps function without glitches. Yes, you have YouTube, Netflix and any other video app you might be subscribed to. And video runs well with a decent resolution. You can load apps from store or as a sideload. And you can play local files, stored either in the dongle memory or on USB.
That's my experience, others may have different. You don't have necessary to buy a dongle, you can use an old phone with Android from 8 to 10 as a driver. Because, as you may already guess, your actual phone serves only as a hot spot (wireless and if you're lucky bluetooth too - tethering) to provide a signal for AA dongle.
If you want to buy a dedicated device, select one which has reviews from the users with as much as possible similar circumstances and priorities as you have.
piskr said:
The head unit has to support Android Auto. Then you can choose from a variety of dongles. Even though they have more or less the same chip, they are different. Each producer tries to squeeze the most from the device, and they have a different approach.
Basically, you must avoid those, which don't clearly stated that some version of Android is installed. Without Android you gain nothing, it's only wireless connection - for IOS.
Most of them have Android 9 or 10, though in the last time 11 appears as well. That is really interesting, because with Android 11 you must have AA as a system app in order to trigger it on a head unit. It looks like producers now solve that issue.
And surprisingly, the core you get on the head unit, if everything goes ok, is not Android, it's IOS. In that core you have android apps including Google Play.
Since, as I said, every unit has a unique configuration, it's not possible to recommend any. The device that I bought is not in the market anymore, for example.
The very piece that you buy must play well with your car head unit and everything what is behind. And behind is a lot, managing systems for settings, audio and other customization.
You must be aware, when you connect AA dongle, it cuts every other setting related to its management out.
Therefore, the biggest issue might be that you'll lose calling via Bluetooth functionality. Because callings (and old style sms) goes different way than other features. My dongle does support calling but in limited way, without Assistant support and with custom made phone app, where the contact selection is rather difficult. And the next flaw is that it doesn't get along with my car audio system, therefore woofers are not engaged. The dongle doesn't have an equalizer, and I can't remedy it.
There is noticeable lag when starting apps and with commands, but otherwise there is no lag when running. Music, video and Gmaps function without glitches. Yes, you have YouTube, Netflix and any other video app you might be subscribed to. And video runs well with a decent resolution. You can load apps from store or as a sideload. And you can play local files, stored either in the dongle memory or on USB.
That's my experience, others may have different. You don't have necessary to buy a dongle, you can use an old phone with Android from 8 to 10 as a driver. Because, as you may already guess, your actual phone serves only as a hot spot (wireless and if you're lucky bluetooth too - tethering) to provide a signal for AA dongle.
If you want to buy a dedicated device, select one which has reviews from the users with as much as possible similar circumstances and priorities as you have.
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Thank you for the wealth of information. I Think I will just use my spare phone to run it. Until another solution arises.

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